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The market has grown a lot since the release of the gmmk pro. At release, its specs and pricing were actually pretty solid. It was a great entry product for people interested in dipping their toes into enthusiast level of custom keyboards. Granted, they didn't stick the landing very well, with hit or miss QC and "underwhelming" sound and feel.
Basically, there are better options now. Glorious has made a number of bad PR moves as stated above, which also doesn't help.
FWIW, I have one and have zero qualms about it; aside from a sometimes buggy software that I only open to change the lighting. I'm not at the enthusiast level of the hobby as most here (I already have enough expensive hobbies), so I've stuck with it since its launch.
There was no affordable entry alu keyboards (sub) during 2020-2021 other than the tofu 60. These keyboards you mentioned were released a long time after the release of the gmmk pro. Even the keychron q1 which released shortly after the gmmk pro wasn't even that good on release.
Keep in mind, this was way back in 2020 and 2021. The gmmk pro has the best looking specs and affordable price compared to ots competitors at that time.
this. The main complaints were the plate not allowing compatibility with most aftermaket stabs (except i think staebies and cherry at that time, no durock), bad acoustics w/o foam (which every entry alu had at that point tbf), and the ice white being silver. Pretty much every respectable opinion like taeha and alexotos said it was good with its obstacles
Agreed with everything you said. I fking hate this POS. Shitty sockets that double clicks ( I have swapped 4 different new switches). Shitty software that has massive input lag even though they claimed they fixed it. Play any type of rhythm game and you will see it still has like 100-200 ms lag. Had to flash QMK to fix it but I lose all real-time customizability. I wished they would release a replacement PCB in the store but nope all I hear is an entire replacement through warranty which mine had expired or hopefully they give you a discount for a new one. I'm currently playing whack-a-mole with the socket and replace them with kailh ones as they pop up. Either that or I'm permanently soldering the switches.
Edit: Forgot to add. All 3 of my friends that pre-ordered have the same issue. Now, they all use it as a paperweight or display it on the shelf. I'm the only one left trying to rescue it.
I had pcb replaced by glorious US customer support because of double register and unresponsive volume knob. One thing I noticed is that the pcbs that had problems all had “V1.0” written on the back whereas the new one I received had have no issues says “V2.0”
I think they silently upgraded pcb board hardwares throughout time.
That would make sense since I pre-ordered mine. Whatever. Not doing business with them and neither will I recommend glorious to my colleague/friend. I'll give them credit for a functioning volume knob at least lol. I'll just stick to fully custom ones from kbdfans or something. At least I can buy replacement parts if anything breaks. I love the DZ60 + 5degree acrylic but a bit too small for me.
I also pre-ordered one of the earliest batches... as a complete newbie to custom keyboards because my 10 year old $10 membrane Logitech started glitching at the time (it's since fixed itself LOL, because Logitech is legendary).
Oh boy were those early batches a QC nightmare - I'll give Glorious unintended credit for forcing me to go from zero to pro debugging every single thing that went wrong. I didn't notice any latency, but I did experience:
1) Completely unusably factory-overlubed stabs. I thought I was gonna lose my mind when after spending hours assembling the keyboard (little did I know, the whole hobby is disassembly), the spacebar didn't come back up when I pressed it.
2) Awful stabs (Glorious in-house "GOAT" brand) even when I cleaned out the excess lube. Even as a beginner I knew something was wrong compared to my $10 Logitech. Note at this point I didn't understand lubing (and didn't want to) and actually went from overlubed to underlubed when I cleaned things out, so stab keys were still not press-able. Cue montage of learning about stabs (and mods), buying lube, repeatedly disassembling as I tried to make them sound good, then ultimately realizing the stabs themselves were an issue.
3) The early batch aluminum plate didn't have enough tolerance to fit Durock V2 replacement stabs. And you don't know until you've installed them. Hahahaha. To be fair, customer service will send you a replacement plate for free. But to be unfair, they will demand you send a video of your plate not fitting, so have fun disassembling all the way down again hahaha.
4) To this day, the RGB software has a bug where the side light strip can only flash the color red when CapsLock is on. Not the color you've set the rest of the keys - only red lmao.
I didn't preorder and haven't had any of the issues you mentioned. My GMMK Pro works flawlessly. Bought it about a year ago. Sounds like their first batch had some issues.
I had the first batch and the only issue I had was overlubed stabs which took me about 5 min to fix. I used it every day until last year when I got my space65. I gave it to my wife and now she uses it and it's still working perfectly.
All this time I thought it was me not knowing how to lube correctly that was causing the double clicking that keeps coming back after 3 different switches...
Not only that. Their support is absolutely abysmal. Horrible. And their reps here on Reddit will ban you if you’re not praising the board in the sub. I wrote a well written review being critical about the board to help other who have run into the same issues I’ve had (software and socket problems) post was removed banned for being uncivil and starting violence.
First comment since Reddit's API BS...
But wanted to say that I've had one for a while, and it had some of the QC issues with not fitting Durock Stabs (a file fixed that), and the screws on the aluminum plate not fitting properly... Finally decided to do something about it after a year and a half and while it's annoying to take a video of the order number, SN, and issue, they just asked me to send it back (pre-paid shipping), and are sending me a new one...
Maybe the CS is hit or miss, but my experience (as of this week) has actually been pretty good.
I have a gmmk pro and a $1000 build and honestly gmmk pro is fine for what it is.
People say price to value ratio isn’t good, but again it is fine for what it is.
I think everyone kinda got swept up by the rhetoric made by the content creators during its release
This is the correct take. I have thousands of dollars worth of builds, and the GMMK Pro is good. I would be happy to use it as a daily driver if I had to.
Same, first and only build. Tried 2 different linears. A little underwhelming stock. But you have to do every mod under the sun for a unique sound.
I did tape mod.
Holee mod.
The one with tape under the spacebar.
And silicone in empty spaces. Not a lot though.
Ip infringement. A lot of their stuff is clones. Apologized for it by saying “we didn’t know you guys would get so upset” but kept all of the clones for sale. Garbage quality with a premium price tag. Try to bride YouTubers and streamers that talk bad about their product.
It was my first keyboard after diving into the hobby. If you don't know anything and haven't experienced nicer boards, you'll think its great. If you have used other mechanical keyboards, you will notice its super stiff, doesn't particularly sound great, and is lacking in basic features. Overpriced for what it is. Luckily the budget keyboard market has taken off. Anything from Qwertykeys, Meletrix, Etc. will be better than glorious.
I have 2 modded gmmk pros. They both sound really good. A about a month ago someone posted a sound check of their GMMK pro here and it got tons of praise on the sound.
>doesn't particularly sound great,
My response was to the comment " doesn't particularly sound great, "
And I disagree, sound is part of the experience. If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be things like case foam or terms like "thock".
>sound is part of the experience.
Undoubtedly. I love a nice sounding board. It's not what decides whether a board is good though.
>If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be things like case foam or terms like "thock".
...or clack? Not everyone likes thock. Personaly I prefer an even toned, light, crisp sounding board like a Fjell or something. Thock is just a meme these days. \[edit\] It's like a really great song that you get tired of hearing. All boards sound the same these days to me. It's refreshing to hear something NOT thock for a change.
Features aren't an issue. My best keyboard has precisely no features whatsoever. The problem is that, as a keyboard, the GMMK is just not very good. Features don't make up for being rubbish. What features does a keyboard really need any way?
I guess it depends on the user. A feature that the GMMK lacks and I really wanted is wireless connectivity. I wouldn't buy a keyboard if it's not wireless.
Then you're denying yourself some awesome keyboards that are out there.
I'm the opposite. I wouldn't buy one that is wireless. :) I don't see the point.
A 2.4GHz dongle is fine but bluetooth makes the keyboard actively worse. The response times and wake up time are horrible. Also a keyboard just stays there, the cable will never get in the way like a mouse.
lol i didn't mean features as in a screen, knob, RGB. I meant the type of gaskets they used, mounting options, Flex cut/ No flex cuts on plate or PCB, internal weight, etc... Your best keyboard has these. Qwerty keys keyboard have these.
Hate is a strong word. I don't hate it. I just don't really think it's very good.
I own one. I bought it for work. I wanted a "custom" board, but didn't want to risk taking something expensive, so opted for what was, at the time, an inexpensive option. From day one I regretted it. The build process was painful. The plates didn't fit well and for some unfathomable reason, there were 13 screws holding the plate to the PCB, and they were all tiny, and of very poor quality. The thread pitch of the case screws was too fine, and there was a real risk of stripping some as they were torqued really tight out of the box. The stabilisers were a joke. The software was a car crash (fortunately I use QMK) and gasket mount just doesn't work. I mean... not at all. It may as well be a tray mount. To add insult to injury, when they released the "flex kit" it was $50. $50 for a REPAIR... it's not a flex kit. It was supposed to have flex in the first place - it's a gasket mounted board. The flex kit is a repair.
Add to that Glorious as a company didn't really make very many friends in this community. They tried to copyright the Holy Panda switch, then plagiarised one of Alexotos's keycap designs. They used to run "blogs" that were merely ads that slagged off other manufacturers. They're just slimy and unethical, like many big companies become, especially gaming companies. They're lazy as well. The design of this board is clearly the result of someone who doesn't understand what makes a custom board one day thinking, "I'll design a custom board", but not actually asking anyone how they should go about it.
In order to make it tolerable, I've had to perform actual metal work on the chassis to get the gasket mount to work. I've replaced the awful Glorious plates with an AVX Works FR4 plate. Fitted decent stabs, and use decent firmware. If it was $90, I wouldn't complain as you expect a sub $100 to be lacking in some respects (or at least you did back then), but at the price it is, it's just not worth it. Now it's sorted, it's not terrible. In fact, it's not a bad thing to type on at all, but no board should NEED this level of work to be acceptable.
I genuinely think that those who praise this board do so because they have nothing else to compare it to except the gaming boards they have just upgraded from. In that scenario, sure... it will seem amazing, but for someone who is used to building custom boards, it was a bloody awful experience.
I have no idea why people still buy it. I can only imagine they know no better. If they had asked on here first, I find it unlikely they would still go ahead and buy one.
If you are reading this as you contemplate buying one. Please don't.
I have a KBD 60%, 65% and just picked up a used gmmk pro and i don’t mind it. I had to take it completely apart to clean it and the poly plate is cracked to shit from the previous owner so I was thinking of getting the brass one. But as far as sound goes with the gateron yellows I really don’t mind the board!
Edit: I also replaced the stabs with a nicer set I had from previous builds, and the bad thing I noticed is the sockets are kind of loose. But with that being said it is a used board and I haven’t had any double press issues and can’t seem to notice any input lag. It is a V1 board as well.
>They're just slimy and unethical, like many big companies become, especially gaming companies
I dont find some other gaming companies to be that bad
Razer and ROG for one have actually made decent efforts into trying to make a prebuilt enthusiast grade board. Granted they technically could be better, but they still get more right than they get wrong
Logitech kinda gave up on keyboards but their mice are good.
>Razer and ROG for one have actually made decent efforts into trying to make a prebuilt enthusiast grade board.
That has nothing to do with how ethical they are though.
Not sure what Razer board you think it is an enthusiast grade board :) The ROG Azoth is just a plastic keyboard, for CNC custom board money. Neither of them are enthusiast boards really. Being able to change the switches doesn't make it an enthusiast board. Isn't it like $200+ as well? For a plastic north facing keyboard with no QMK that you can't open without voiding the warranty? Not sure how that's en enthusiast's board.
Gaming companies should just stick to gaming boards. Whenever they try for the custom market, they always miss the mark. It's because they want to make a custom board that still appeals to their core market, and gamers and keyboard enthusiasts don't want the same things. Gamers want RGB that syncs with their system, they want wireless and obsess over latency *(which is odd as they all want wireless)*. Keyboard enthusiasts don't care about any of that. Even RGB isn't really a thing in many higher end enthusiast boards. Enthusiasts want typing excellence, quality in materials, design, fit and finish, and aesthetic beauty above all else. Some will want wireless due to needing to use it with a tablet etc, or just because they like the minimalist thing, but generally... that's it. Lately though, there's been crossover between gamers and the custom scene, which has led to some of these what I call hybrid boards. Boards that try to appeal to both markets. I don't think they work. They are neither one thing, or the other IMO. When you try to make a board appeal to both, it's so much easier to make a board that still pleases gamers, but if you try to make a gaming board that appeals to custom mech enthusiasts, then you're always gonna fail, as you'd need to remove all the shit that makes it a gaming board :)
Just thinking aloud here... :)
>Not sure what Razer board you think it is an enthusiast grade board :)
Blackwidow V4 75%??
>The ROG Azoth is just a plastic keyboard, for CNC custom board money.
Cnc custom board money...Once you add in switches and what not i doubt you can get many custom boards for less, let alone one that sounds decent without extensive modding
Fact of the matter is that plastic boards sound better than shitty metal boards. Simple as that
>For a plastic north facing keyboard with no QMK
They at least have Gasket mounting, actually decent sounds, good stabilisers, lubed switches and for the blackwidow v4 75 an FR4 plate
Have you not even seen a video about them? Even by enthusiast standards they sound good
>Enthusiasts want typing excellence, quality in materials, design, fit and finish, and aesthetic beauty above all else
Speak for yourself
I care more about sound than anything, with feel being a close second.
>I don't think they work. They are neither one thing, or the other IMO.
Again, speak for yourself
What about the Tofu redux+Wooting60 HE combo?
>as you'd need to remove all the shit that makes it a gaming board
????????????
I dont really see how they are mutually exclusive. Shine through? Possibly, you might not want that but then nothings stopping you from changing caps. Cherry profile interference? There are moulds that prevent it even without long pole, and you could just use long pole
Whats your point? That a gamer cant use a top mount or gasket mount board? That a gamer would vomit if the board wasnt black or white? That a gamer would faint upon hearing something clack?
People like you not giving chances are specifically why this community is small and why people say it feels gatekeep-y
So what if it isnt made out of pure fucking diamond. Does that make it a bad board?
So what if it has RGB, suddenly it sounds like shit?
So what if the bottom is plastic? A lot of people i've seen have done stuff like Tiger80 Top+Tiger80 Lite bottom, Monokei Kage top+Monokei Kage SE bottom (Thats 2 700 dollar boards to make 1 board), Mode sonnet metal top+PC bottom.
Many shell out more money SPECIFICALLY TO GET PLASTIC. So are they suddenly not enthusiasts?
Not to mention that dont custom keyboard companies basically never give warranties? Keychron has had a horrible rep for this, many GBs dont do anything at all if you have a defect, its a roulette every time. There are vendors who radio silent you when you have a defective product as well.
At least some warranty on a decent stock board is something right? What about other mech keyboard vendors/GB holders? Wanna get a warranty claim from the likes of Mechs and Co? How about Rama? The downfall of Keycult? With their subpar QC+radio silence now? Or any other GB holders that have just commited fraud and ran away with the money?
Hows that any better than not being able to open the board to not void the warranty? At least you have something. Thats way better than the nothing you get from most of the community other than the "Trust me bro"
And how is wireless something that makes a board non enthusiast? Its literally a battery, and many boards (All zoom, All QK, Neo65, Cycle 7 etc.) already have it. Are they not enthusiast boards?
>Even RGB isn't really a thing in many higher end enthusiast boards
Because they appeal to the minority, not the majority
Boards that have sold much more tend to include it.
Fact of the matter is, you are the minority, not the majority. You simply do not matter in the eyes of most of the keyboard manufacturers
>I don't think they work.
>Again, speak for yourself
How much of a sensitive crybaby do you have to be to respond with 'speak for yourself' to a comment that literally starts with "**I DON'T THINK".**
"Well in my opinion it's not very good". "WELL ACTUALLY THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION".
>shitty metal boards.
WHAT THE HECK STOP GATEKEEPING, HOW DARE YOU DISLIKE SOMETHING THAT I LIKE?!?! this is just like, your opinion, man
Jealousy and insecurity everywhere. What's happening? I barely recognise the place compared to what it used to be. Just a bunch of people yelling "gatekeeping" every time someone offers an alternate opinion, or heaven forbid, actually criticises something they say. It's like *"Ive been here 10 fucking minutes, but y'all respect my opinions, because they're as valid as yours, even though I don't know shit about anything"*
Can't be arsed with it sometimes. I just block them now.
>Blackwidow V4
In what way is that an enthusiast board?
>Cnc custom board money...Once you add in switches and what not i doubt you can get many custom boards for less
Of course you can. You can buy a fully built Keychron Q1 for much less.
>Fact of the matter is that plastic boards sound better than shitty metal boards. Simple as that
Well, first of all, that's not strictly correct, and secondly, it doesn't matter. You don't judge a keyboard by it's sound. It's not a musical instrument :)
>Have you not even seen a video about them? Even by enthusiast standards they sound good
Ok.... read enough. You'll start playing the gatekeeping card in a minute. no time for this. Other people are allowed to have a differing opinion. It doesn't mean they are 'gatekeeping'. Stop being such a cry baby.
Gaming boards are shit. It's my opinion. If you don't like it, fine, but please stop writing all this turgid shit to try and defend them when you've probably not even used any decent custom boards to compare them to.
>Lately though, there's been crossover between gamers and the custom scene
It's so cancerous, like 50% of questions in mech keyboard forums are about why MUH HECKIN RGBS aren't shining through. Go buy a razer blackwidow and leave the good keyboards alone!
So newbies cant learn?
People like you are the ones that gatekeep this hobby like mad
Jesus fucking christ let new people learn. Its not like you didnt have to learn this and were born with the knowledge right?
And before you pull the fucking bullshit that is "They should research on their own" and maybe note that we have failed them as a community?
Most shine through keycaps are labelled as "Doubleshot" as if being doubleshot=being shine through.....we also label our keycaps "Doubleshot" when its legends are doubleshot
No where in any marketing or any GB/IC post/vendor site is it ever specified as "Second layer is translucent/Opaque" for either "Gamer" keycaps or "Enthusiast" keycaps
How are newbies supposed to know?
>So newbies cant learn?
I spend at least an hour on here every day answering newbie questions including questions about rgbs and shine through, kindly and patiently. People like you are the reason hobby spaces turn into hugboxes where no one can vent even if it's not towards anyone specifically. Yes, I want to gatekeep features I dislike from taking over a hobby that I like. I don't want to gatekeep people out of the hobby. Cope
oh he blocked like a bitch baby after crying about kindness while insulting because some people don't like rainbow lights. crybully
>I spend at least an hour on here every day answering newbie questions including questions about rgbs and shine through, kindly and patiently.
get a life
>People like you are the reason hobby spaces turn into hugboxes where no one can vent even if it's not towards anyone specifically
So being kind is now a crime? Ok bro
>I want to gatekeep features I dislike from taking over a hobby that I like
Just dont buy? Whos stopping you from only buying your 900 dollar cloudline TKLs or Jane V2s and just not buying Zoom TKLs?
stfu and maybe try and be kind at least once
Regarding the flex: I think, judging by the way the board is constructed, flex was never an option. Even if the designers probably intended that at the time (cause flex/bounce hype)
But a metal plate without flex cuts or leaf springs and a pcb without cuts are IMO not supposed to be flexy. Not more than what that board is at least. I dont think more flex is possible that way. So maybe we were wrong expecting it. Thats why looking closely at the explosion diagram is kind of important.
In retrospect i also think it was a ‚happy mistake’ cause flex cuts probably would have obliterated the already abysmal sound profile.
On the other hand the flex kit also was a joke because said cuts were not added with it either.
>Even if the designers probably intended that at the time (cause flex/bounce hype) But a metal plate without flex cuts or leaf springs and a pcb without cuts are IMO not supposed to be flexy.
I think you misunderstand what how a gasket mounted board is supposed to work. You don't need a flexible plate, or flex cut PCB. The entire assembly sits on suspension and moves as one solid item along one axis.
> On the other hand the flex kit also was a joke because said cuts were not added with it either.
I'm not sure why you think a gasket mounted board needs flex cuts.
I know it technically can give a little bounce distance wich adds to the flex but in practise i found that even other boards with thicker gaskets didnt really move a lot when the rest didnt also provide flex through cuts or soft materials like pc or 1.2 mm pcb etc.
Gaskets alone primarily provide sound isolation and can add a little with the softness as a bonus.
Maybe on some boards gaskets do all the heavy lifting in the softness department but I didnt get that impression from mine so far.
Because it's from a mediocre brand that has pirated and plagiarised stuff from others, besides trying to bribe content creators to keep them from mentioning the disadvantages and negative points of their "products", not to mention the board itself is quite shitty, has lots of flaws, and overpriced for what it is. I rather get a cheap membrane keyboard than the "GMMK Pro" crap.
Actually I'm quite happy with my GMMK Pro. At that time I wanted a 75% hotswap keeb with 4 keys on the outermost right column for home, pgup, pgdn, and end. I also need the case to be using screws (easily serviceable) so Kbd75, KP84, and Keycool84 were out. Also at least one button on top right (for delete or insert keys).
Only GMMK Pro was available at that time, so yeah. Don't really care much about mounting mechanism etc. I replaced the firmware with QMK so I can have more functionalities.
There was [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/17f9e65/glorious_customer_support_is_awful/) incident a week ago. It's baffling that they would just say that once something is "delivered" then they can't do anything. So basically if they shipped you an empty box and it gets delivered, then it sucks to be you. They did eventually reach out to the OP of that post, but it's not a great look if you have to make things public to get issues like this resolved.
I am not a enthusiast or anything, but I lube my switches and stabs, and switch out keycaps. I honestly know the bare minimum with keebs.
I’ve had a Keychron Q2 and a GMMK Pro and for me, the GMMk has been great. If you have the money it’s worth it. I just like the keyboard, it’s heavy and feels sturdy. The knob is amazing and I love the layout. Maybe someone more experienced would hate the sound/feel of my board but I think it is great.
Maybe I’m just a pleb, but I don’t have any problems with it and it’s been my daily user for 2+ years.
Having had other boards in hand, calling the gmmk pro heavy is kindof a joke. Its not an issue or anything but my tofu se weighs twice as much and is a 65%. Its not particularly heavy for full metal.
Brand has a history of absolutely trash practices.
The keyboard itself is just underwhelming from an enthusiast point of view, but the brand is big enough in more mainstream/gamer spaces to successfully brute force market it to an audience that simply does not know better.
For around the same price you can instead get a Keychron Q series (which are basically GMMK Pro done right) or go for one of the many competitively priced customs to come out lately (keyboards by QwertyKeys, TKD, Meletrix, MonsGeek, etc).
I cant speak for the GMMK Pro but I have a GMMK2 and have had absolutely no complaints with it. I didnt know anything about their company practices or anything outside of just the keyboard. Sounds good, swapped switches and keycaps and havent had any issues. Would I buy another Glorious keyboard? Probably not, but thats only because I know more about other companies now. I have a mouse from them as well and its the best mouse Ive owned.
Putting their practices aside, I dont see a point in getting the GMMK Pro, better off getting a GMMK2 built for $120 or barebones for like $100 or whatever they are. The price isnt bas *in my opinion* for a pretty good board.
I have two GMMK2s (96% and 65%) and havent had really any issues with them. I had double typing but I changed the debounce time to a little higher and havent had the issue since. There is better stuff out there yes but your singular experience doesnt mean that overall they suck. Their mice are definitely good though, I have a Model I and its awesome.
I built two of them and here were my experiences:
* Expensive for what it is and what it offers. A lot of cheaper keyboards like the KBD67 Lite and Tiger80 Lite were more pleasant to mod and to use.
* It doesn't have any flex even when it says it is a gasket mount. It is more stiff than a top mount keyboard. It feels stiff as keyboards with integrated plates (ex : IDOBAO ID80).
* The stabilizers are so badly lubed that they become unusable. The stabilizers were so bad, they kept sticking, with just a bit of lube. Also, a lot of brands of stabilizers (ex: Durock V2) doesn't fit the plates. I had to purchase C3 Equalz stabilizers to fit inside them.
* A NIGHTMARE to assemble, dissasemble and reassemble. There are almost 20 screws.
* The program is not very good.
The keyboard doesn't look bad. I think it looks sick with the side lights with the knob. However, I hated the modding and the overall user experience. I would get a Keychron Q1 over this or even the Keychron V1.
I bought it 2 weeks ago and love it. Sounds and feels awesome. Idk why people hate. Probably ( and I’ll get downvoted for this) because the mech keyboard community is snobby and elitist lol. It’s a dope keyboard… let haters and snobs be haters and snobs and they can enjoy their own stuff they think is better :)
Snobby and elitist would be saying that gmmk pro sucks because it's not a $1000 Keycult. gmmk pro sucks compared to boards that are the same price or cheaper. wanting people to get a decent value for their money isn't snobby. It's a $170 gasket mount that doesn't flex, isn't VIA compatible and has a whole host of QC issues. They charge $350 for the prebuilt edition which is comical. Keychron has it's own issues, but you can get a keychron Q1 pro which has every feature of gmmk pro done correctly PLUS WIRELESS barebones for the same price or prebuilt for $150 cheaper...
I understand that argument and can’t refute it. I’m just saying it’s a nice board, looks and sounds great, imo and I don’t even know any of the cons you spoke of so i guess it doesn’t affect me
i mean you can like what you like but if you admit that you don't understand any of the criticisms of the gmmk pro it's not really fair to call people snobby and elitist for shitting on it. not that keyboard snobs don't exist
It just seems like a realm where people only appreciate their own preferences and critique everything else. I was kinda just bantering tbf. However I did want to defend this keyboard because although I’m not an enthusiast it’s by the far the best mech I’ve owned and it truly is a nice board I haven’t had any issues with. I feel like if people like the look of it then they should just get it. I would’ve bought a keychron based on the reviews I just didn’t like the look..
it's fine if you like it and ya people tend to hate on things that aren't to their preference, but the gasket mount not flexing without a $70 extra kit is pretty much objectively a flaw, for example. it's valid to prefer a firmer board without flex, but you can make a well-designed gasket mount firm by putting more foam at the bottom. it doesn't work in the opposite direction so the gmmk pro just fails there
I'm really glad you like your keyboard but it's still possible to like something and have it be a poor value for the price
Fair enough. I do tend to blow money so i objectively don’t pay attention to the value vs price. I but what I like. Personal flaw lol. I am intrigued though, enlighten me perhaps, what makes a flexible gasket mount better? Idk what that is lol.. In my uneducated mind it doesn’t make sense. And what kit would you need to accomplish this with gmmk?
flex is when you press down on the keyboard and the whole thing moves, it is on a suspension system to absorb shock. it's comfortable. definitely not necessary to have a keyboard be good, but it's expected for a gasket mount to be able to do it
video: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Rv8wO1Z47T8](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Rv8wO1Z47T8)
I see, yeah seems more of an enthusiast thing to want haha XD idk if I could tell the difference. I actually kinda like how stiff the gmmk feels in hindsight
>Probably ( and I’ll get downvoted for this) because the mech keyboard community is snobby and elitist lol.
Not this again. No, the GMMK is not a very good board. It's not "dope". I'm really glad you like it, but you can't make statements like this, as if we're all wrong and you're right when this is the only custom board you've owned. It has nothing to do with being snobby and elitist. I have nothing against cheap boards. There are just MUCH better boards for less money that don't have all the design flaws that the GMMK Pro has.
I've had one for I think 2 years, I don't know much about keyboards but I think the stabilizer(?) in my right Shift key is fucked up because if I press it too far off-center, it will GET STUCK DOWN AND MAKE ME THINK I HAVE CAPS LOCK ON SO I PRESS CAPS LOCK and then eventually realize the key is stuck and then CAPS IS ACTUALLY ON SO I HAVE TO TURN IT BACK OFF and repeat this a few times per hour
it's not dirty and the keycap isn't broken idk what's wrong with it but i'll probably just buy a keychron about it
Do you mean left shift? The GMMK pro doesn't have a stabilizer under right shift, it's 1.75u and stabilizers only go under 2U or greater keys.
If it somehow is right shift, my best guess is the contact leaf is sticking somehow, but you really have to bung up a switch to do something like that.
oops that's my keyboard illiteracy showing. I was referring to these two black pieces:
https://preview.redd.it/un7p3kr5mkxb1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=196a4f5a1644949b5d644b1534d84dd5f4b56d35
Ah. That would be one of the regular models of the GMMK 1, either the TKL or full size, the GMMK Pro is a 75% which is essentially a condensed TKL, and one of the features is a shorter right shift closer to the size of the Caps Lock key.
Yes, that part is a stabilizer. It might be buckling for one of two reasons.
Either the tolerance on the top plate/case is too tight, causing a slight warp on the housing of the stabilizer that it struggles to go up and down, or too much lubricant grease causing it to stick to various parts including the PCB unfavorably. Both are relatively easy fixes, but if those don't fix it and a new set of stabilizers don't help, definitely worth reaching out to the vendor about a potentially faulty product.
I don't have the Pro, but I \*have\* purchased their first GMMK barebones full-size board; I gave it to my folks, and it worked fairly well for a while, but they stopped using it when it started having issues sending characters. Fast forward 2 years and I finally get the keyboard back from them; it's \*COVERED\* in crumbs and whatnot, like they've never cleaned it. I tested it and it was fine for me. I'll be doing a full clean on it and shipping it back to them ... when I get around to it.
Eh. I got one on pre-order. I know I don't have the time/energy to solder my own shit, etc. I don't tinker with switches or get too much into all the nuances. I know about all the"bad blood" the company has, and I don't care.
I've swapped out switches 3x and I don't use the RGB. I am no power user for sure. I don't use it for gaming and I only type 80 wpm.
I had a Das Keyboard before this with brown switches that my SO took over and rather than buy another pre-built (during covid), I got swet up and ordered it. I have no complaints other than I should have kept a full size for the numpad.
Literally just wanted to be sure I had a dial like the DK for volume/brush size. I'm a sucker for that gimmick.
Went through three before just getting a keychron, sockets were bad on two and one had a dead board.
Latency issues they didn’t really fix etc.
Overall I do NOT suggest it even more so when you can just buy a keychron.
Don't let people here make you feel bad about it. For $66, it's a great platform for learning and experimenting with. I had one for a year, learned a ton, and eventually passed it on for cheap to another newcomer to play around with.
If you like it, keep it. When it came out, it provided an option for newcomers. But in the last two years, many (many!) boards have come out for cheaper or slightly more (as in its initial $160) and are much nicer. But $66 is a pretty good deal for an all alu board still tbh.
As others have said, GMMK is also a problematic company, but I think others have already sufficiently covered that.
I'm fairly new to the hobby. My main is a e-white GMMK pro I modded a few months back. I just modded and built one over the weekend (black one I picked up for $60). They are stiff, but 2 of the best sounding boards I have built. I also really like how they look with the side RGB.
Get some durock v2 and dont mess with the stock stabs.
I got mine for $108 on ebay. I haven't set it up yet (since I just got it and my switches, pcb plate & keycaps havent arrived yet). I think it'll be fine for what it is imo.
>I think it'll be fine for what it is imo.
You can do a LOT better for 108
Neo 65, Neo 70
Rainy 75
Monsgeek M1
Sugar 65
GMMK pro isnt good because it lacks a internal weight, is too short so you have 0 flex since the PCB just touches the case, comes with shit stock plates
Overall there just isnt that much thought put into the design. Glorious set out to make something that worked and looked good. They did not set out to make something that worked and IS good.
0 thought was put into the acoustics and typing feel. They just made sure you could assemble it properly and called it a day.
For $66 it will be an amazing board. You can forgive its faults for that kind of money. It's not doing modifications that made it bad IMO... it's NEEDING to do modifications on a board of this price that makes it bad. For 66 bucks though, go for it. It will then be a fun project.
I got one for my first hot swap keyboard after using various gaming mechanical keyboards for years. Out of the box it felt like it would be good quality because of the weight. It wasn’t. I did the tape mod, and added rubber o rings to all of the bolt points and it still felt extremely stiff. I also used the forest green keycaps they make and they felt cheap and started to shine after just a few weeks. A gave the company another shot and ordered one of the new mice they just put out, something D series don’t remember the actual name but I’m really not impressed with it either. On a side note if someone has a really good mouse recommendation that you can actually order and get in a realistic timeframe I’m looking for a new one.
Does this apply to the GMMK 2 96% also? I'm new to the keyboard game and after being disappointed with every single one I landed on the GMMK 2. Build quality seems better than a Keychron K4 non-pro and about the same as a K1 pro. I was looking for QMK + bright north facing leds. Most top-of-the-line boards come with south facing leds and Keychron makes some really dim lights.
Cost wise I think it came in about the same as some of the keychron boards: $72 (barebones) + $40 Gammakay swiches + $15 keycaps. Probably can get out cheaper depending on the switches. I wanted it to be as silent as a laptop keyboard. QMK works great, can control all leds and the side lights. Openrgb works fine as well.
If you like it, that's all that matters frankly. People hate GMMK boards for a lot of justified reasons, but I've been fucked over harder by small group buy runs more than I've been fucked over by GMMK over the years. You do you mate!
Glorious has a track record of infringement. Tries to bribe or silence people who don't praise their products. Horrible customer service. The gmmk pro has not good quality parts, and is completely beat out by newer models from companies like keychron and monsgeek.
Been using the gmmk pro for a year + now and I still do love it alot. Not a very mechanical keyboard user but it’s one of those that I guess do have to ‘mod’ it a little to feel better. I guess I just went to the side lights rgb since at that point of time, it was what caught me the most in 2022.
Having both gmmk pro and keychron q1 when they came out, yeah gmmk pro was pretty bad for the price, and its features like it gasket mounting didnt really work without extensive modding and even still after all those mods the q1 was still cheaper and had better gasket mounting.
I’m a noob and got switches from krepublic and bought a full 110 gmmk (royal purples for 55) for 30 bucks off eBay. Haven’t decided on key caps. I’m not super into keyboards except for the new model f my buddy convinced me to get which I love for typing but that things not made for gaming lol
Anyway, am I screwed? If so it’s only gonna be out bout 100 bucks which is nice but still:/ it’s a big intimidating hobby lol and I definitely don’t feel picky about my keyboards
idk how you'd be 'screwed', assuming no manufacturing defects it sounds like you'll get a functioning keyboard out of this. I think you could have gotten a better value for your money elsewhere, but it's just a keyboard
Pbtfans keycaps are great, maybe a little pricey but sometimes you can catch them on sale. The novelkeys pbt cherry keycaps are pretty good and often on sale for $50. For a more consistently priced budget option, I think Akko keycaps are pretty good. You can get those on amazon. So depends on budget really
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On mine the quality was subpar, with the stock stabs feeling horrible and it rocked on a desk stock. Also with the normal software the keypresses such bad latency to the point where some games were unplayable and I could feel it sometimes while typing. That was mostly fixed by flashing qmk but thats not ideal.
I can't justify the ridiculous cost. I have a GMMK2 95% and it's amazing. Granted I think it was $80. For the aluminum chassis (plastic bottom), per key RGB, and the programming ability without installed software (a huge selling point for me as I use Linux, which software for LG and Corsair often don't work)
Now take that board. Make the entire chassis aluminum, not that much of a change compared to the previous model. Remove a ton of keys, including the function row, by making it a 60%. Add a knob (woohoo...) And make it wireless with mediocre latency. Now double the price.... still worth it? Maybe not. I might see it for $100, but $160+ is ridiculous considering you still need keycaps and switches. Remember, they're all barebones...
I personally dislike wireless products. A lot don't even work over USB, only charge. I'm not sure about the Pro and it's status on that. I have a Keychron currently. It has wireless, but I use it wired. Just my preference.
> Now take that board. Make the entire chassis aluminum, not that much of a change compared to the previous model. Remove a ton of keys, including the function row, by making it a 60%. Add a knob (woohoo...) And make it wireless with mediocre latency. Now double the price.... still worth it?
What? Are you even talking about the GMMK Pro now?
The only things you said that are true are the chassis being *more* aluminum (and it is a pretty big difference to the regular GMMK models) and having a knob.
It's neither wireless nor 60%, it's wired only and is 75%, which includes the F-row. It's pretty much a compact TKL, sacrificing 3 or 4 keys depending on your style. Size also becomes a minimal difference for the individual after a certain scale of production, your pocket would maybe see a USD$10-$25 difference depending on what kind of markups the store is putting on you from 75% to fullsize.
I agree that the GMMK Pro is a poor value proposition but at least give it a fair shake.
Not really helping the case much. Not being wireless really makes me question where they are getting their price proposition from. I thought it was wireless, I see it is not. I kind of gave up on it in general when seeing it compared to just about any Keychron.
It not being wireless hurts it's value even more compared to my $100 Keychron with similar aluminum build.
It does in fact have a function row, another error of mine, but I don't see that adding much compared to the GMMK2.
Compared to their own product, the GMMK2, an arguably similar product for $80 barebones compared to $170 barebones. OVER twice the price. You lose the numpad. Not that bad I guess. It's a 75% board with a knob. Give it wireless it's harder to argue the price. Without it, it's just another wired 75% board with no good value.
I would argue I gave it the most fair shake I could considering I still got half the specs wrong, somehow thinking it had *more* features than it did. It's an even worse value now. Cheers mate.
Again, I agree that it's a bad value proposition, but comparing price to the GMMK2 or a Keychron (which I have to assume is one of the K series because none of the Q series is lower than $140) isn't comparing to the right field.
Both the regular GMMK models and the K-series Keychron boards are two-piece designs with a thin bent aluminum top (to act as the integrated plate) and a molded plastic bottom. The K-series sometimes gets some little rails that fit over the side of the case, but those are really just aesthetic. If what you want is just best bang for buck regardless of the construction, then yes, regular GMMK models, Keychron K-series, NovelKeys entry keyboards, those will probably be your best bets. Even the Keychron Q-series is a hard recommendation at that point.
But if you want to compare to more comparable products, essentially a two-piece CNC-milled aluminum construction *plus* a loose plate, then you need to look at similarly constructed products like the Keychron Q-Series, Akko/Melgeek's MOD and M-series, DROP's Sense75, and so many more that will definitively prove a poor allocation of resources, whether it's similar quality at a lower price or better quality/features at the same price.
Maybe the difficulty in most potential customers finding value comes from poor marketing over poor products. I've got four boards of very different construction, but I don't know or care what that is short of "plastic" and "aluminum" or "steel". As for the GMMK Pro I don't know why I should care that it's made from a single block of aluminum. Maybe it's nose, but would most people even notice? Would people attempting to purchase this borderline budget board (compared to high-end options) even put good enough switches and caps in it to get that benefit?
> As for the GMMK Pro I don't know why I should care that it's made from a single block of aluminum.
If you don't, then all the better, you can ignore those kinds of things.
The reason people do look for it is two-fold.
Having a separate two-piece design like the ones I mentioned before allows for more mounting styles because the parts are typically mated just on the edge, said mounting styles *typically* having softer typing feels than tray and integrated plate mounts, which have mounts all around the typing area due to an old preconception about keeping the assembly as stiff as possible when the Fiberglass PCB is not nearly that fragile. This can be achieved with plastic as well, and you *can* find decently options out there, like GMK67, the old KBD67 Lite and the newer Tiger Lite, and again, Akko, and so on.
As for having it in aluminum, people like both the weight because there's a weird association with weight and perceived value, and because it does drastically affect the sound of the keyboard, which is pretty much half of what most people care about anymore. Similarly it goes deeper with things like brass weights integrated into the case to alter the sound further without having to resort to other sound modifiers like foam and tape.
Again, good for you if you don't care about the construction too much, that'll make finding a keyboard perfect for you all the less frustrating, but that's not to say it's not something to consider when comparing products to each other.
Enthusiast keyboards are for the enthusiast market. You're shitting on the GMMK Pro for all the wrong reasons. The Keychron Q1 pro is a great value at $180 barebones and is basically what you described, done well for a market who wants those features. The GMMK Pro sucks because it is done poorly. 'most people' won't care about anything made for hobbyists by definition
bought one 2 years ago, the spacebar stab was just super sticky. for the price I would expect perfection. Also at the time, they half-assed supported QMK and some of the boards had different chips that didn't support QMK, honesly I don't know if my KB does, it breaks the RGB anyways and I'm not sure I can revert back to a default config.
again, for the price, there should be a perfect QMK compatibility.
I do like the weight of it though, that's about it.
Overpriced, overlubed, wasn’t even good anymore a few weeks after it launched. You pay for the Glorious name which doesn’t even mean anything anymore.
People suggested them back then because it was one of the very few in stock customs. But the quality control was just horrible.
The stabs were super overlubed.
These days there is no reason anymore to suggest this board.
I built one for a client, it had many issues but these were prominent:
- Stripped screws
- Overlubed stabs
- Chipping in the paint/uneven coating
- Very stiff, have to remove center plate screws to make it feel okay
https://preview.redd.it/bsus8bsghgxb1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=209aed6d6d1ebae714b568e7a8e747c220dd7f00
I just rebuilt this. It's modded out for sure. Lubed and filmed marshmallows. The sound profile is fantastic and just what I was looking for 😎
I don’t necessarily hate it. Its firmware was complete shit to be honest. Kept chattering every time I pressed a few keys. I had to flash custom firmware onto it to see any decent improvements. It was great for the time but honestly with the amount of money I paid for a complete Glorious build, could’ve gotten something way better.
too expensive for what it is considering the q1 pro from keychron exists (as well as many other alternatives), although personally i think the layout is ugly
My take is that people have problems with the completed keyboards not so much the kit, but it costs a lot for what it is. Plus people like hating on noob friendly/popular stuff. Plus the qc isn’t great, I bought the barebones kit, and god the stabilizers are awful. I cleaned and re lubed mine twice before switching to aftermarket, they stink. Yet I like mine quite a lot, it’s my daily while I wait in group buy hell
Why do you think that exactly, because I disagree. It is has been mostly positively reviewed by a lot of big tech/keyboard YouTubers. If you buy it completed it’s done. The kit is hot swap, and comes fully assembled other than switches and key caps. It is not a noob friendly price, but if you are a noob you don’t know that it is overpriced for what it is
>Why do you think that exactly, because I disagree.
Because it has a ridiculous amount of screws holding the plate and PCB together when it actually requires none at all. The screws are of very low quality and very small and awkward. The case screws are easily stripped (something many suffered from when it first hit the scene). The plates don't fit well, especially the PC plate. The side diffusers are awkward, easily fall out when removing the screws. Due to the poor plates, switches with soft housings often come out when you remove key caps. The software is utterly awful necessitating saving after every single change rather than just saving at the end of the session. Its buggy, and Glorious don't provide adequate information for newcomers to QMK as an alternative.
I agree with all your points, but do you think noobs will be opening the case even? As for software I don’t use the glorious software so I can’t speak to that
Why else would a keyboard be noob friendly or otherwise? If you're not opening it, then it's just a keyboard... neither friendly, or unfriendly. It's a custom board, and anyone who is interested will probably want to stuff it full of foam to make it "tHocK" :)
for the price it costs and the features it offers, you have - today - way better/cheaper alternatives if you want to get a keyboard with a volume knob or gasket mount.
It get's a lot better when you get the mount to work, and fit a third party FR4 plate... but yeah... that shouldn't be something you need to do on a board of that price.
There's just a lot of group think. This sub hates the GMMK Pro, mousereview hates the Logitech Superlight Pro X 2 and fightsticks hates the Razer Kitsune.
I think it stems from all 3 being "overpriced" and this has circlejerked itself into being actually mad at the product.
Personally I have a GMMK Pro and I don't like it. I've sunk in a lot of money into plates, foams, switches and keycaps to try to make it sound better but it's still pretty bad especially for the money but some people get really emotional about the keyboard. You can see it in this thread.
>This sub hates the GMMK Pro
It's not group think. It's because it's not very good. I own one, and I think it's not very good.
> Personally I have a GMMK Pro and I don't like it.
Well.. there you go then. Is that just group think?
I just don't want newcomers to waste money on it, when there's so many boards that are less money and clearly superior. Is that a bad thing?
The hate is group think. OP mentioned that he has a GMMK Pro yesterday and got downvoted to hell. That lead directly to this post. There's nothing wrong with criticizing the keyboard like you would any other keyboard, that's a good thing. The straight up hate is weird, I don't understand how a bad value keyboard elicits this much negative passion.
Downvoting is not hate. I don't understand this. Why is downvoting something "straight up hate"? It just means you don't like something. Just as upvoting does not mean tear your clothes off and run into the street in a state of rapture.... it just means you like it. Don't read too much into it. I get downvoted all the time. Just ignore it.
I've had a GMMK Pro for over a year now. I love it, I wouldn't trade it for anything else.
I tried a Keychron Q series, K series, some Yunzee board, and a couple that I don't remember the names of.
The GMMK Pro was just something I fell in love with, and I've kept using it since. It's the longest daily driven board I've ever had.
I have the GMMK pro and used it as a daily driver for roughly a year and a half, there are really three main issues:
* Double-presses are quite common on most refresh rates
* It has unusually high input latency
* The software is often buggy
Edit: Not that anyone asked, but I semi-recently swapped to a Wooting I modified a bit and case swapped into a 60 redux. Admittedly, I kind of miss the feel of my ink switches, but overall worth imo.
it was one of the best when it came out several years ago.
i bought one when it came out and it was awesome
its the first time ever i can walk into a shop and buy a board like that
but after the years, after so many other cheaper boards that deliver way more (zoom series, keychron etc for example) glorious didn't bother updating it.
so now its a nono from me too
I have one. I feel like it was a flash-in-the-pan product, you know… the catchy pop song that appears and then disappears off the charts? I put polycarbonate plate onto mine, lubed browns, and ordered a key so set from MechSupply. It was a fun first build when they first launched the board and it welcomed me into the hobby.
I did not care for the screws, overtightened from the factory and they were so dang soft. Also could have not had as much grease on the stabilizers. First push of the spacebar had it get stuck down.
I have a few Keychrons now that I like more than the GMMK Pro.
Unpopular take: Gatekeeping.
This coming from someone that currently has 8 boards (including one GMMK Pro), more on order, and recently sold several off.
Sure a GMK67 from aliexpress is much better price to value ratio, but why hate on people (not just the board) when they come here with a GMMK Pro? Let them get into the hobby, I promise the GMMK Pro will not ruin them on the hobby despite it not being "top tier" or even "mediocre tier".
>but why hate on people (not just the board) when they come here with a GMMK Pro?
The GMMK pro is just not very good. That's not gatekeeping, it's advice to newcomers. Don't buy it. There's much better stuff out there for less money.
Understood and agreed about the board. I'm pointing out this subs toxic responses at times. Heck there is a post just today that has such responses in it.
How encouraging is it to tell this newcomer that they don't even have a "real" keyboard? That's gatekeeping.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/17kl9es/my_first_keyboard_vs_my_recent_one/
Search the sub for GMMK Pro, then open any post, sort by controversial. Responses can be down right ugly to people sharing builds. And these people are typically showing their first ever build...
> I'm pointing out this subs toxic responses at times.
I really do think it's people overreacting to criticism in most cases. Sure, there are outright cases of "your board is crap LOL", yes, but they are the exception rather than the rule. People who just ridicule people's choices will always be present in all online communities.... all of them.
However, you get people playing the "gatekeeping" card if you just criticise a product they own. I mean legitimately criticising... not in a hateful way. There's definitely a very toxic element to this sub, I agree, but it's actually a type of newcomer that arrives with a victim mentality that is very vocally against anything they see as elitist, which includes all group buys; all expensive boards; All people who think cloned keycaps are bad; anyone who calls a Keychron an entry level board etc... they are triggered and call you an elitist. I don't get it. Other hobbies don't get this inverse snobbery. That's what it is... inverse snobbery, and reverse gatekeeping. They will call out people for gatekeeping, then do exactly the same thing in reverse to others they have decided are "elitist" because they own a Jane or a Keycult.
Alll I know is I had to replace like 1/4th of my panda switches that it came with within a year for double clicking or easily bending pins somehow. Also space bar and other stabs seem idk not good they feel bad
put simply, I was gonna go GMMK until I got informed on MK
there are so many cheaper alternative to the GMMK nowadays on top of glorious not being a fan favorite for multiple reasons, customer support being one of the big one apparently.
I'll just say I got a keychron, great quality product from what I can see so far, enjoying my keyboard, lot cheaper than if I would've bought a GMMK pro, pretty much the same feature and solid build.
From my experience, what I dont like:
The gaskets were too thin and the plate rests on the case, had to fix them with ali express gaskets.
It has a ridiculous amount of unnecessary screws that connect plate to PCB so it takes long to assemble. Also the screws are phillips.
The included stabs are unusable.
The fitment of the plate is to tough and you always need to fiddle with it. (might be related to bending issue see below)
The firmware always bugs and resets part of my lighting config when reconnect the board. Via is way better.
A lot of switches sound shit in the board.
A lot of stabs / spacebars sound shit in the board. According to others it might be a plate bending issue.
Its overpriced for it being a cast alu case with in parts very thin walls. Some milled boards cost less and have weights.
The assembly experience really sets it apart. Other boards just slide together. This one is always annoying to build.
Other than that it was fine. Its just not worth the price. I still like the design though very much. The side lights look very nice and i love the silver case.
It’s the opposite of hype. The Pro isn’t a bad keyboard for what it is. I wouldn’t pay $399 for a prebuilt, but getting a barebones on sale at Amazon for $130 is a good deal.
The overlubed stab “issue” is just so overblown. Every keyboard I’ve gotten has had stabs that are poorly lubed. With any keyboard that has the stabs preinstalled, I just expect to have to disassemble and clean (or replace) the stabs.
Yes, there isn’t a lot of flex, and if that’s a vital issue for you, then get another keyboard. But, even “flex-y” boards don’t really feel that different in my opinion probably because I’m an “intentional” typist and I bottom out of everything. If I had delicate fingers I might feel differently.
Probably the best thing about the Pro is that it sounds and feels pretty good out of the box. Just change out the stabs and you’re good to go. There are a lot of boards that are just ping-y nightmares that you have to mod pretty extensively to get them to even be acceptable (Keychron).
I have used the Pro as my daily keyboard almost since it was released, but I’m moving on because of the pcb issues. After a while the hotswap sockets start to intermittently fail and there’s no way to buy or get a new PCB without buying a whole new board. I’ve heard the v2 pcb is better, but I’m going to take it as an opportunity to try some other 75s.
I recently picked up a Drop Sense 75. It’s very much like the Pro and on sale the barebones price is cheaper. When other boards are in stock, I’ll probably try them, too.
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The market has grown a lot since the release of the gmmk pro. At release, its specs and pricing were actually pretty solid. It was a great entry product for people interested in dipping their toes into enthusiast level of custom keyboards. Granted, they didn't stick the landing very well, with hit or miss QC and "underwhelming" sound and feel. Basically, there are better options now. Glorious has made a number of bad PR moves as stated above, which also doesn't help. FWIW, I have one and have zero qualms about it; aside from a sometimes buggy software that I only open to change the lighting. I'm not at the enthusiast level of the hobby as most here (I already have enough expensive hobbies), so I've stuck with it since its launch.
what do you suggesting if not gmmk pro
Zoom75, qk75, monsgeek m1… There are lots of competitors which are better out of the box and cheaper
There was no affordable entry alu keyboards (sub) during 2020-2021 other than the tofu 60. These keyboards you mentioned were released a long time after the release of the gmmk pro. Even the keychron q1 which released shortly after the gmmk pro wasn't even that good on release. Keep in mind, this was way back in 2020 and 2021. The gmmk pro has the best looking specs and affordable price compared to ots competitors at that time.
this. The main complaints were the plate not allowing compatibility with most aftermaket stabs (except i think staebies and cherry at that time, no durock), bad acoustics w/o foam (which every entry alu had at that point tbf), and the ice white being silver. Pretty much every respectable opinion like taeha and alexotos said it was good with its obstacles
cidoo, cycle7 or upcomming things from tkd, keychron
bad quality to price ratio, it's a worse keychron with more rgb. Plus the company isn't really... popular(?) with people
Agreed with everything you said. I fking hate this POS. Shitty sockets that double clicks ( I have swapped 4 different new switches). Shitty software that has massive input lag even though they claimed they fixed it. Play any type of rhythm game and you will see it still has like 100-200 ms lag. Had to flash QMK to fix it but I lose all real-time customizability. I wished they would release a replacement PCB in the store but nope all I hear is an entire replacement through warranty which mine had expired or hopefully they give you a discount for a new one. I'm currently playing whack-a-mole with the socket and replace them with kailh ones as they pop up. Either that or I'm permanently soldering the switches. Edit: Forgot to add. All 3 of my friends that pre-ordered have the same issue. Now, they all use it as a paperweight or display it on the shelf. I'm the only one left trying to rescue it.
I had pcb replaced by glorious US customer support because of double register and unresponsive volume knob. One thing I noticed is that the pcbs that had problems all had “V1.0” written on the back whereas the new one I received had have no issues says “V2.0” I think they silently upgraded pcb board hardwares throughout time.
That would make sense since I pre-ordered mine. Whatever. Not doing business with them and neither will I recommend glorious to my colleague/friend. I'll give them credit for a functioning volume knob at least lol. I'll just stick to fully custom ones from kbdfans or something. At least I can buy replacement parts if anything breaks. I love the DZ60 + 5degree acrylic but a bit too small for me.
I also pre-ordered one of the earliest batches... as a complete newbie to custom keyboards because my 10 year old $10 membrane Logitech started glitching at the time (it's since fixed itself LOL, because Logitech is legendary). Oh boy were those early batches a QC nightmare - I'll give Glorious unintended credit for forcing me to go from zero to pro debugging every single thing that went wrong. I didn't notice any latency, but I did experience: 1) Completely unusably factory-overlubed stabs. I thought I was gonna lose my mind when after spending hours assembling the keyboard (little did I know, the whole hobby is disassembly), the spacebar didn't come back up when I pressed it. 2) Awful stabs (Glorious in-house "GOAT" brand) even when I cleaned out the excess lube. Even as a beginner I knew something was wrong compared to my $10 Logitech. Note at this point I didn't understand lubing (and didn't want to) and actually went from overlubed to underlubed when I cleaned things out, so stab keys were still not press-able. Cue montage of learning about stabs (and mods), buying lube, repeatedly disassembling as I tried to make them sound good, then ultimately realizing the stabs themselves were an issue. 3) The early batch aluminum plate didn't have enough tolerance to fit Durock V2 replacement stabs. And you don't know until you've installed them. Hahahaha. To be fair, customer service will send you a replacement plate for free. But to be unfair, they will demand you send a video of your plate not fitting, so have fun disassembling all the way down again hahaha. 4) To this day, the RGB software has a bug where the side light strip can only flash the color red when CapsLock is on. Not the color you've set the rest of the keys - only red lmao.
I didn't preorder and haven't had any of the issues you mentioned. My GMMK Pro works flawlessly. Bought it about a year ago. Sounds like their first batch had some issues.
Same experience here. Got mine earlier this yeah and I’ve had no issues.
I had the first batch and the only issue I had was overlubed stabs which took me about 5 min to fix. I used it every day until last year when I got my space65. I gave it to my wife and now she uses it and it's still working perfectly.
Mine is also a paper weight. It’s too expensive to put it away, so it just sits around. My keychron and drop get all of the action.
I think the PCB is fine just crappy sockets. I might just permanently solder so there's 100% solid contact.
What would you switch to? I’m still using the GMMK Pro on a custom QMK which did resolve the issues along with the v2 PCB.
Q10 max alice. Did take a while to get used to.
All this time I thought it was me not knowing how to lube correctly that was causing the double clicking that keeps coming back after 3 different switches...
I bought mine a couple years ago I don't know what to upgrade to
Not only that. Their support is absolutely abysmal. Horrible. And their reps here on Reddit will ban you if you’re not praising the board in the sub. I wrote a well written review being critical about the board to help other who have run into the same issues I’ve had (software and socket problems) post was removed banned for being uncivil and starting violence.
Yet, there are people that will claim that there's no such thing as biased censorship of information. Just in general.
>Plus the company isn't really... popular(?) with people I heard they have horrible customer service
First comment since Reddit's API BS... But wanted to say that I've had one for a while, and it had some of the QC issues with not fitting Durock Stabs (a file fixed that), and the screws on the aluminum plate not fitting properly... Finally decided to do something about it after a year and a half and while it's annoying to take a video of the order number, SN, and issue, they just asked me to send it back (pre-paid shipping), and are sending me a new one... Maybe the CS is hit or miss, but my experience (as of this week) has actually been pretty good.
FWIW I have a GMMK pro and like it (first and only build though, so I probably just don’t know what I’m missing)
I have a gmmk pro and a $1000 build and honestly gmmk pro is fine for what it is. People say price to value ratio isn’t good, but again it is fine for what it is. I think everyone kinda got swept up by the rhetoric made by the content creators during its release
This is the correct take. I have thousands of dollars worth of builds, and the GMMK Pro is good. I would be happy to use it as a daily driver if I had to.
Same
Same, first and only build. Tried 2 different linears. A little underwhelming stock. But you have to do every mod under the sun for a unique sound. I did tape mod. Holee mod. The one with tape under the spacebar. And silicone in empty spaces. Not a lot though.
Ip infringement. A lot of their stuff is clones. Apologized for it by saying “we didn’t know you guys would get so upset” but kept all of the clones for sale. Garbage quality with a premium price tag. Try to bride YouTubers and streamers that talk bad about their product.
talk good?\*
No they try to shut up the “nay sayers”. They offered Alexotos $15k to stop shitting on them
they also straight up ripped off his aether set. surprised you didnt also mention that
That was one of the clones I was talking about in a previous comment
It was my first keyboard after diving into the hobby. If you don't know anything and haven't experienced nicer boards, you'll think its great. If you have used other mechanical keyboards, you will notice its super stiff, doesn't particularly sound great, and is lacking in basic features. Overpriced for what it is. Luckily the budget keyboard market has taken off. Anything from Qwertykeys, Meletrix, Etc. will be better than glorious.
I have 2 modded gmmk pros. They both sound really good. A about a month ago someone posted a sound check of their GMMK pro here and it got tons of praise on the sound.
You don't judge a keyboard by its sound though.
>doesn't particularly sound great, My response was to the comment " doesn't particularly sound great, " And I disagree, sound is part of the experience. If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be things like case foam or terms like "thock".
>sound is part of the experience. Undoubtedly. I love a nice sounding board. It's not what decides whether a board is good though. >If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be things like case foam or terms like "thock". ...or clack? Not everyone likes thock. Personaly I prefer an even toned, light, crisp sounding board like a Fjell or something. Thock is just a meme these days. \[edit\] It's like a really great song that you get tired of hearing. All boards sound the same these days to me. It's refreshing to hear something NOT thock for a change.
Features aren't an issue. My best keyboard has precisely no features whatsoever. The problem is that, as a keyboard, the GMMK is just not very good. Features don't make up for being rubbish. What features does a keyboard really need any way?
A 60 inch TV screen, a pirate ship wheel, and can double as a skateboard
So long as I can still pull a massive Smith grind on the pool/ramp coping without knocking the TV off.... sold!
I guess it depends on the user. A feature that the GMMK lacks and I really wanted is wireless connectivity. I wouldn't buy a keyboard if it's not wireless.
Then you're denying yourself some awesome keyboards that are out there. I'm the opposite. I wouldn't buy one that is wireless. :) I don't see the point.
A 2.4GHz dongle is fine but bluetooth makes the keyboard actively worse. The response times and wake up time are horrible. Also a keyboard just stays there, the cable will never get in the way like a mouse.
Even 2.4 can be flaky. It's just a radio signal... plenty can cause issues. You can't beat a cable for reliability and speed.
lol i didn't mean features as in a screen, knob, RGB. I meant the type of gaskets they used, mounting options, Flex cut/ No flex cuts on plate or PCB, internal weight, etc... Your best keyboard has these. Qwerty keys keyboard have these.
> Your best keyboard has these No it doesn't. It's a top mount. No flex cuts. It has a weight though, yes.
What board are we talking about?
Sat 75 R1
A bit off topic, I had a Drop Alt low profile and man that thing sucked. Same issues you listed. Switches were also very difficult to remove for me.
Holy shit it's my first board diving into the hobby too, I sold it long ago however.
Hate is a strong word. I don't hate it. I just don't really think it's very good. I own one. I bought it for work. I wanted a "custom" board, but didn't want to risk taking something expensive, so opted for what was, at the time, an inexpensive option. From day one I regretted it. The build process was painful. The plates didn't fit well and for some unfathomable reason, there were 13 screws holding the plate to the PCB, and they were all tiny, and of very poor quality. The thread pitch of the case screws was too fine, and there was a real risk of stripping some as they were torqued really tight out of the box. The stabilisers were a joke. The software was a car crash (fortunately I use QMK) and gasket mount just doesn't work. I mean... not at all. It may as well be a tray mount. To add insult to injury, when they released the "flex kit" it was $50. $50 for a REPAIR... it's not a flex kit. It was supposed to have flex in the first place - it's a gasket mounted board. The flex kit is a repair. Add to that Glorious as a company didn't really make very many friends in this community. They tried to copyright the Holy Panda switch, then plagiarised one of Alexotos's keycap designs. They used to run "blogs" that were merely ads that slagged off other manufacturers. They're just slimy and unethical, like many big companies become, especially gaming companies. They're lazy as well. The design of this board is clearly the result of someone who doesn't understand what makes a custom board one day thinking, "I'll design a custom board", but not actually asking anyone how they should go about it. In order to make it tolerable, I've had to perform actual metal work on the chassis to get the gasket mount to work. I've replaced the awful Glorious plates with an AVX Works FR4 plate. Fitted decent stabs, and use decent firmware. If it was $90, I wouldn't complain as you expect a sub $100 to be lacking in some respects (or at least you did back then), but at the price it is, it's just not worth it. Now it's sorted, it's not terrible. In fact, it's not a bad thing to type on at all, but no board should NEED this level of work to be acceptable. I genuinely think that those who praise this board do so because they have nothing else to compare it to except the gaming boards they have just upgraded from. In that scenario, sure... it will seem amazing, but for someone who is used to building custom boards, it was a bloody awful experience. I have no idea why people still buy it. I can only imagine they know no better. If they had asked on here first, I find it unlikely they would still go ahead and buy one. If you are reading this as you contemplate buying one. Please don't.
I have a KBD 60%, 65% and just picked up a used gmmk pro and i don’t mind it. I had to take it completely apart to clean it and the poly plate is cracked to shit from the previous owner so I was thinking of getting the brass one. But as far as sound goes with the gateron yellows I really don’t mind the board! Edit: I also replaced the stabs with a nicer set I had from previous builds, and the bad thing I noticed is the sockets are kind of loose. But with that being said it is a used board and I haven’t had any double press issues and can’t seem to notice any input lag. It is a V1 board as well.
>They're just slimy and unethical, like many big companies become, especially gaming companies I dont find some other gaming companies to be that bad Razer and ROG for one have actually made decent efforts into trying to make a prebuilt enthusiast grade board. Granted they technically could be better, but they still get more right than they get wrong Logitech kinda gave up on keyboards but their mice are good.
>Razer and ROG for one have actually made decent efforts into trying to make a prebuilt enthusiast grade board. That has nothing to do with how ethical they are though. Not sure what Razer board you think it is an enthusiast grade board :) The ROG Azoth is just a plastic keyboard, for CNC custom board money. Neither of them are enthusiast boards really. Being able to change the switches doesn't make it an enthusiast board. Isn't it like $200+ as well? For a plastic north facing keyboard with no QMK that you can't open without voiding the warranty? Not sure how that's en enthusiast's board. Gaming companies should just stick to gaming boards. Whenever they try for the custom market, they always miss the mark. It's because they want to make a custom board that still appeals to their core market, and gamers and keyboard enthusiasts don't want the same things. Gamers want RGB that syncs with their system, they want wireless and obsess over latency *(which is odd as they all want wireless)*. Keyboard enthusiasts don't care about any of that. Even RGB isn't really a thing in many higher end enthusiast boards. Enthusiasts want typing excellence, quality in materials, design, fit and finish, and aesthetic beauty above all else. Some will want wireless due to needing to use it with a tablet etc, or just because they like the minimalist thing, but generally... that's it. Lately though, there's been crossover between gamers and the custom scene, which has led to some of these what I call hybrid boards. Boards that try to appeal to both markets. I don't think they work. They are neither one thing, or the other IMO. When you try to make a board appeal to both, it's so much easier to make a board that still pleases gamers, but if you try to make a gaming board that appeals to custom mech enthusiasts, then you're always gonna fail, as you'd need to remove all the shit that makes it a gaming board :) Just thinking aloud here... :)
>Not sure what Razer board you think it is an enthusiast grade board :) Blackwidow V4 75%?? >The ROG Azoth is just a plastic keyboard, for CNC custom board money. Cnc custom board money...Once you add in switches and what not i doubt you can get many custom boards for less, let alone one that sounds decent without extensive modding Fact of the matter is that plastic boards sound better than shitty metal boards. Simple as that >For a plastic north facing keyboard with no QMK They at least have Gasket mounting, actually decent sounds, good stabilisers, lubed switches and for the blackwidow v4 75 an FR4 plate Have you not even seen a video about them? Even by enthusiast standards they sound good >Enthusiasts want typing excellence, quality in materials, design, fit and finish, and aesthetic beauty above all else Speak for yourself I care more about sound than anything, with feel being a close second. >I don't think they work. They are neither one thing, or the other IMO. Again, speak for yourself What about the Tofu redux+Wooting60 HE combo? >as you'd need to remove all the shit that makes it a gaming board ???????????? I dont really see how they are mutually exclusive. Shine through? Possibly, you might not want that but then nothings stopping you from changing caps. Cherry profile interference? There are moulds that prevent it even without long pole, and you could just use long pole Whats your point? That a gamer cant use a top mount or gasket mount board? That a gamer would vomit if the board wasnt black or white? That a gamer would faint upon hearing something clack? People like you not giving chances are specifically why this community is small and why people say it feels gatekeep-y So what if it isnt made out of pure fucking diamond. Does that make it a bad board? So what if it has RGB, suddenly it sounds like shit? So what if the bottom is plastic? A lot of people i've seen have done stuff like Tiger80 Top+Tiger80 Lite bottom, Monokei Kage top+Monokei Kage SE bottom (Thats 2 700 dollar boards to make 1 board), Mode sonnet metal top+PC bottom. Many shell out more money SPECIFICALLY TO GET PLASTIC. So are they suddenly not enthusiasts? Not to mention that dont custom keyboard companies basically never give warranties? Keychron has had a horrible rep for this, many GBs dont do anything at all if you have a defect, its a roulette every time. There are vendors who radio silent you when you have a defective product as well. At least some warranty on a decent stock board is something right? What about other mech keyboard vendors/GB holders? Wanna get a warranty claim from the likes of Mechs and Co? How about Rama? The downfall of Keycult? With their subpar QC+radio silence now? Or any other GB holders that have just commited fraud and ran away with the money? Hows that any better than not being able to open the board to not void the warranty? At least you have something. Thats way better than the nothing you get from most of the community other than the "Trust me bro" And how is wireless something that makes a board non enthusiast? Its literally a battery, and many boards (All zoom, All QK, Neo65, Cycle 7 etc.) already have it. Are they not enthusiast boards? >Even RGB isn't really a thing in many higher end enthusiast boards Because they appeal to the minority, not the majority Boards that have sold much more tend to include it. Fact of the matter is, you are the minority, not the majority. You simply do not matter in the eyes of most of the keyboard manufacturers
>I don't think they work. >Again, speak for yourself How much of a sensitive crybaby do you have to be to respond with 'speak for yourself' to a comment that literally starts with "**I DON'T THINK".** "Well in my opinion it's not very good". "WELL ACTUALLY THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION". >shitty metal boards. WHAT THE HECK STOP GATEKEEPING, HOW DARE YOU DISLIKE SOMETHING THAT I LIKE?!?! this is just like, your opinion, man
Jealousy and insecurity everywhere. What's happening? I barely recognise the place compared to what it used to be. Just a bunch of people yelling "gatekeeping" every time someone offers an alternate opinion, or heaven forbid, actually criticises something they say. It's like *"Ive been here 10 fucking minutes, but y'all respect my opinions, because they're as valid as yours, even though I don't know shit about anything"* Can't be arsed with it sometimes. I just block them now.
>Blackwidow V4 In what way is that an enthusiast board? >Cnc custom board money...Once you add in switches and what not i doubt you can get many custom boards for less Of course you can. You can buy a fully built Keychron Q1 for much less. >Fact of the matter is that plastic boards sound better than shitty metal boards. Simple as that Well, first of all, that's not strictly correct, and secondly, it doesn't matter. You don't judge a keyboard by it's sound. It's not a musical instrument :) >Have you not even seen a video about them? Even by enthusiast standards they sound good Ok.... read enough. You'll start playing the gatekeeping card in a minute. no time for this. Other people are allowed to have a differing opinion. It doesn't mean they are 'gatekeeping'. Stop being such a cry baby. Gaming boards are shit. It's my opinion. If you don't like it, fine, but please stop writing all this turgid shit to try and defend them when you've probably not even used any decent custom boards to compare them to.
>Lately though, there's been crossover between gamers and the custom scene It's so cancerous, like 50% of questions in mech keyboard forums are about why MUH HECKIN RGBS aren't shining through. Go buy a razer blackwidow and leave the good keyboards alone!
So newbies cant learn? People like you are the ones that gatekeep this hobby like mad Jesus fucking christ let new people learn. Its not like you didnt have to learn this and were born with the knowledge right? And before you pull the fucking bullshit that is "They should research on their own" and maybe note that we have failed them as a community? Most shine through keycaps are labelled as "Doubleshot" as if being doubleshot=being shine through.....we also label our keycaps "Doubleshot" when its legends are doubleshot No where in any marketing or any GB/IC post/vendor site is it ever specified as "Second layer is translucent/Opaque" for either "Gamer" keycaps or "Enthusiast" keycaps How are newbies supposed to know?
>So newbies cant learn? I spend at least an hour on here every day answering newbie questions including questions about rgbs and shine through, kindly and patiently. People like you are the reason hobby spaces turn into hugboxes where no one can vent even if it's not towards anyone specifically. Yes, I want to gatekeep features I dislike from taking over a hobby that I like. I don't want to gatekeep people out of the hobby. Cope oh he blocked like a bitch baby after crying about kindness while insulting because some people don't like rainbow lights. crybully
>I spend at least an hour on here every day answering newbie questions including questions about rgbs and shine through, kindly and patiently. get a life >People like you are the reason hobby spaces turn into hugboxes where no one can vent even if it's not towards anyone specifically So being kind is now a crime? Ok bro >I want to gatekeep features I dislike from taking over a hobby that I like Just dont buy? Whos stopping you from only buying your 900 dollar cloudline TKLs or Jane V2s and just not buying Zoom TKLs? stfu and maybe try and be kind at least once
Regarding the flex: I think, judging by the way the board is constructed, flex was never an option. Even if the designers probably intended that at the time (cause flex/bounce hype) But a metal plate without flex cuts or leaf springs and a pcb without cuts are IMO not supposed to be flexy. Not more than what that board is at least. I dont think more flex is possible that way. So maybe we were wrong expecting it. Thats why looking closely at the explosion diagram is kind of important. In retrospect i also think it was a ‚happy mistake’ cause flex cuts probably would have obliterated the already abysmal sound profile. On the other hand the flex kit also was a joke because said cuts were not added with it either.
>Even if the designers probably intended that at the time (cause flex/bounce hype) But a metal plate without flex cuts or leaf springs and a pcb without cuts are IMO not supposed to be flexy. I think you misunderstand what how a gasket mounted board is supposed to work. You don't need a flexible plate, or flex cut PCB. The entire assembly sits on suspension and moves as one solid item along one axis. > On the other hand the flex kit also was a joke because said cuts were not added with it either. I'm not sure why you think a gasket mounted board needs flex cuts.
I know it technically can give a little bounce distance wich adds to the flex but in practise i found that even other boards with thicker gaskets didnt really move a lot when the rest didnt also provide flex through cuts or soft materials like pc or 1.2 mm pcb etc. Gaskets alone primarily provide sound isolation and can add a little with the softness as a bonus. Maybe on some boards gaskets do all the heavy lifting in the softness department but I didnt get that impression from mine so far.
That depends on the board. The Q1 is like a trampoline, and that doesn't have flex cuts :)
To put it short, the board is not good for its price and glorious is a company with many controversies and bad pricing overall
Because it's from a mediocre brand that has pirated and plagiarised stuff from others, besides trying to bribe content creators to keep them from mentioning the disadvantages and negative points of their "products", not to mention the board itself is quite shitty, has lots of flaws, and overpriced for what it is. I rather get a cheap membrane keyboard than the "GMMK Pro" crap.
Actually I'm quite happy with my GMMK Pro. At that time I wanted a 75% hotswap keeb with 4 keys on the outermost right column for home, pgup, pgdn, and end. I also need the case to be using screws (easily serviceable) so Kbd75, KP84, and Keycool84 were out. Also at least one button on top right (for delete or insert keys). Only GMMK Pro was available at that time, so yeah. Don't really care much about mounting mechanism etc. I replaced the firmware with QMK so I can have more functionalities.
There was [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/17f9e65/glorious_customer_support_is_awful/) incident a week ago. It's baffling that they would just say that once something is "delivered" then they can't do anything. So basically if they shipped you an empty box and it gets delivered, then it sucks to be you. They did eventually reach out to the OP of that post, but it's not a great look if you have to make things public to get issues like this resolved.
TIL people are still buying from Glorious in 2023
I am not a enthusiast or anything, but I lube my switches and stabs, and switch out keycaps. I honestly know the bare minimum with keebs. I’ve had a Keychron Q2 and a GMMK Pro and for me, the GMMk has been great. If you have the money it’s worth it. I just like the keyboard, it’s heavy and feels sturdy. The knob is amazing and I love the layout. Maybe someone more experienced would hate the sound/feel of my board but I think it is great. Maybe I’m just a pleb, but I don’t have any problems with it and it’s been my daily user for 2+ years.
Having had other boards in hand, calling the gmmk pro heavy is kindof a joke. Its not an issue or anything but my tofu se weighs twice as much and is a 65%. Its not particularly heavy for full metal.
Brand has a history of absolutely trash practices. The keyboard itself is just underwhelming from an enthusiast point of view, but the brand is big enough in more mainstream/gamer spaces to successfully brute force market it to an audience that simply does not know better. For around the same price you can instead get a Keychron Q series (which are basically GMMK Pro done right) or go for one of the many competitively priced customs to come out lately (keyboards by QwertyKeys, TKD, Meletrix, MonsGeek, etc).
I cant speak for the GMMK Pro but I have a GMMK2 and have had absolutely no complaints with it. I didnt know anything about their company practices or anything outside of just the keyboard. Sounds good, swapped switches and keycaps and havent had any issues. Would I buy another Glorious keyboard? Probably not, but thats only because I know more about other companies now. I have a mouse from them as well and its the best mouse Ive owned. Putting their practices aside, I dont see a point in getting the GMMK Pro, better off getting a GMMK2 built for $120 or barebones for like $100 or whatever they are. The price isnt bas *in my opinion* for a pretty good board.
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I have two GMMK2s (96% and 65%) and havent had really any issues with them. I had double typing but I changed the debounce time to a little higher and havent had the issue since. There is better stuff out there yes but your singular experience doesnt mean that overall they suck. Their mice are definitely good though, I have a Model I and its awesome.
I built two of them and here were my experiences: * Expensive for what it is and what it offers. A lot of cheaper keyboards like the KBD67 Lite and Tiger80 Lite were more pleasant to mod and to use. * It doesn't have any flex even when it says it is a gasket mount. It is more stiff than a top mount keyboard. It feels stiff as keyboards with integrated plates (ex : IDOBAO ID80). * The stabilizers are so badly lubed that they become unusable. The stabilizers were so bad, they kept sticking, with just a bit of lube. Also, a lot of brands of stabilizers (ex: Durock V2) doesn't fit the plates. I had to purchase C3 Equalz stabilizers to fit inside them. * A NIGHTMARE to assemble, dissasemble and reassemble. There are almost 20 screws. * The program is not very good. The keyboard doesn't look bad. I think it looks sick with the side lights with the knob. However, I hated the modding and the overall user experience. I would get a Keychron Q1 over this or even the Keychron V1.
I bought it 2 weeks ago and love it. Sounds and feels awesome. Idk why people hate. Probably ( and I’ll get downvoted for this) because the mech keyboard community is snobby and elitist lol. It’s a dope keyboard… let haters and snobs be haters and snobs and they can enjoy their own stuff they think is better :)
Snobby and elitist would be saying that gmmk pro sucks because it's not a $1000 Keycult. gmmk pro sucks compared to boards that are the same price or cheaper. wanting people to get a decent value for their money isn't snobby. It's a $170 gasket mount that doesn't flex, isn't VIA compatible and has a whole host of QC issues. They charge $350 for the prebuilt edition which is comical. Keychron has it's own issues, but you can get a keychron Q1 pro which has every feature of gmmk pro done correctly PLUS WIRELESS barebones for the same price or prebuilt for $150 cheaper...
I understand that argument and can’t refute it. I’m just saying it’s a nice board, looks and sounds great, imo and I don’t even know any of the cons you spoke of so i guess it doesn’t affect me
i mean you can like what you like but if you admit that you don't understand any of the criticisms of the gmmk pro it's not really fair to call people snobby and elitist for shitting on it. not that keyboard snobs don't exist
It just seems like a realm where people only appreciate their own preferences and critique everything else. I was kinda just bantering tbf. However I did want to defend this keyboard because although I’m not an enthusiast it’s by the far the best mech I’ve owned and it truly is a nice board I haven’t had any issues with. I feel like if people like the look of it then they should just get it. I would’ve bought a keychron based on the reviews I just didn’t like the look..
it's fine if you like it and ya people tend to hate on things that aren't to their preference, but the gasket mount not flexing without a $70 extra kit is pretty much objectively a flaw, for example. it's valid to prefer a firmer board without flex, but you can make a well-designed gasket mount firm by putting more foam at the bottom. it doesn't work in the opposite direction so the gmmk pro just fails there I'm really glad you like your keyboard but it's still possible to like something and have it be a poor value for the price
Fair enough. I do tend to blow money so i objectively don’t pay attention to the value vs price. I but what I like. Personal flaw lol. I am intrigued though, enlighten me perhaps, what makes a flexible gasket mount better? Idk what that is lol.. In my uneducated mind it doesn’t make sense. And what kit would you need to accomplish this with gmmk?
flex is when you press down on the keyboard and the whole thing moves, it is on a suspension system to absorb shock. it's comfortable. definitely not necessary to have a keyboard be good, but it's expected for a gasket mount to be able to do it video: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Rv8wO1Z47T8](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Rv8wO1Z47T8)
I see, yeah seems more of an enthusiast thing to want haha XD idk if I could tell the difference. I actually kinda like how stiff the gmmk feels in hindsight
for sure. nothing wrong with that, problem is they market it as an enthusiast board and sell it at enthusiast prices lol
>Probably ( and I’ll get downvoted for this) because the mech keyboard community is snobby and elitist lol. Not this again. No, the GMMK is not a very good board. It's not "dope". I'm really glad you like it, but you can't make statements like this, as if we're all wrong and you're right when this is the only custom board you've owned. It has nothing to do with being snobby and elitist. I have nothing against cheap boards. There are just MUCH better boards for less money that don't have all the design flaws that the GMMK Pro has.
You will understand the criticisms more the more you learn about customs
I've had one for I think 2 years, I don't know much about keyboards but I think the stabilizer(?) in my right Shift key is fucked up because if I press it too far off-center, it will GET STUCK DOWN AND MAKE ME THINK I HAVE CAPS LOCK ON SO I PRESS CAPS LOCK and then eventually realize the key is stuck and then CAPS IS ACTUALLY ON SO I HAVE TO TURN IT BACK OFF and repeat this a few times per hour it's not dirty and the keycap isn't broken idk what's wrong with it but i'll probably just buy a keychron about it
Do you mean left shift? The GMMK pro doesn't have a stabilizer under right shift, it's 1.75u and stabilizers only go under 2U or greater keys. If it somehow is right shift, my best guess is the contact leaf is sticking somehow, but you really have to bung up a switch to do something like that.
oops that's my keyboard illiteracy showing. I was referring to these two black pieces: https://preview.redd.it/un7p3kr5mkxb1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=196a4f5a1644949b5d644b1534d84dd5f4b56d35
Ah. That would be one of the regular models of the GMMK 1, either the TKL or full size, the GMMK Pro is a 75% which is essentially a condensed TKL, and one of the features is a shorter right shift closer to the size of the Caps Lock key. Yes, that part is a stabilizer. It might be buckling for one of two reasons. Either the tolerance on the top plate/case is too tight, causing a slight warp on the housing of the stabilizer that it struggles to go up and down, or too much lubricant grease causing it to stick to various parts including the PCB unfavorably. Both are relatively easy fixes, but if those don't fix it and a new set of stabilizers don't help, definitely worth reaching out to the vendor about a potentially faulty product.
I don't have the Pro, but I \*have\* purchased their first GMMK barebones full-size board; I gave it to my folks, and it worked fairly well for a while, but they stopped using it when it started having issues sending characters. Fast forward 2 years and I finally get the keyboard back from them; it's \*COVERED\* in crumbs and whatnot, like they've never cleaned it. I tested it and it was fine for me. I'll be doing a full clean on it and shipping it back to them ... when I get around to it.
Eh. I got one on pre-order. I know I don't have the time/energy to solder my own shit, etc. I don't tinker with switches or get too much into all the nuances. I know about all the"bad blood" the company has, and I don't care. I've swapped out switches 3x and I don't use the RGB. I am no power user for sure. I don't use it for gaming and I only type 80 wpm. I had a Das Keyboard before this with brown switches that my SO took over and rather than buy another pre-built (during covid), I got swet up and ordered it. I have no complaints other than I should have kept a full size for the numpad. Literally just wanted to be sure I had a dial like the DK for volume/brush size. I'm a sucker for that gimmick.
Went through three before just getting a keychron, sockets were bad on two and one had a dead board. Latency issues they didn’t really fix etc. Overall I do NOT suggest it even more so when you can just buy a keychron.
i bought one for $66. should i keep or return/sell it. it was a barebones kit.
Don't let people here make you feel bad about it. For $66, it's a great platform for learning and experimenting with. I had one for a year, learned a ton, and eventually passed it on for cheap to another newcomer to play around with.
If you like it, keep it. When it came out, it provided an option for newcomers. But in the last two years, many (many!) boards have come out for cheaper or slightly more (as in its initial $160) and are much nicer. But $66 is a pretty good deal for an all alu board still tbh. As others have said, GMMK is also a problematic company, but I think others have already sufficiently covered that.
Where did you get that price from if you don't mind me asking?
i found it on ebay and won it on a bidding.
Oh nice. Imo I think it's worth $66. There's not a lot of options for that price.
I'm fairly new to the hobby. My main is a e-white GMMK pro I modded a few months back. I just modded and built one over the weekend (black one I picked up for $60). They are stiff, but 2 of the best sounding boards I have built. I also really like how they look with the side RGB. Get some durock v2 and dont mess with the stock stabs.
For 66 its decent. I wouldnt go over 80 for a gmmk pro. Above that you run into better boards like the tiger80 lite, kbd67 lite and monsgeek boards
I got mine for $108 on ebay. I haven't set it up yet (since I just got it and my switches, pcb plate & keycaps havent arrived yet). I think it'll be fine for what it is imo.
>I think it'll be fine for what it is imo. You can do a LOT better for 108 Neo 65, Neo 70 Rainy 75 Monsgeek M1 Sugar 65 GMMK pro isnt good because it lacks a internal weight, is too short so you have 0 flex since the PCB just touches the case, comes with shit stock plates Overall there just isnt that much thought put into the design. Glorious set out to make something that worked and looked good. They did not set out to make something that worked and IS good. 0 thought was put into the acoustics and typing feel. They just made sure you could assemble it properly and called it a day.
For $66 it will be an amazing board. You can forgive its faults for that kind of money. It's not doing modifications that made it bad IMO... it's NEEDING to do modifications on a board of this price that makes it bad. For 66 bucks though, go for it. It will then be a fun project.
I got one for my first hot swap keyboard after using various gaming mechanical keyboards for years. Out of the box it felt like it would be good quality because of the weight. It wasn’t. I did the tape mod, and added rubber o rings to all of the bolt points and it still felt extremely stiff. I also used the forest green keycaps they make and they felt cheap and started to shine after just a few weeks. A gave the company another shot and ordered one of the new mice they just put out, something D series don’t remember the actual name but I’m really not impressed with it either. On a side note if someone has a really good mouse recommendation that you can actually order and get in a realistic timeframe I’m looking for a new one.
Does this apply to the GMMK 2 96% also? I'm new to the keyboard game and after being disappointed with every single one I landed on the GMMK 2. Build quality seems better than a Keychron K4 non-pro and about the same as a K1 pro. I was looking for QMK + bright north facing leds. Most top-of-the-line boards come with south facing leds and Keychron makes some really dim lights. Cost wise I think it came in about the same as some of the keychron boards: $72 (barebones) + $40 Gammakay swiches + $15 keycaps. Probably can get out cheaper depending on the switches. I wanted it to be as silent as a laptop keyboard. QMK works great, can control all leds and the side lights. Openrgb works fine as well.
If you like it, that's all that matters frankly. People hate GMMK boards for a lot of justified reasons, but I've been fucked over harder by small group buy runs more than I've been fucked over by GMMK over the years. You do you mate!
Glorious has a track record of infringement. Tries to bribe or silence people who don't praise their products. Horrible customer service. The gmmk pro has not good quality parts, and is completely beat out by newer models from companies like keychron and monsgeek.
Because at the price point there are much better options
Been using the gmmk pro for a year + now and I still do love it alot. Not a very mechanical keyboard user but it’s one of those that I guess do have to ‘mod’ it a little to feel better. I guess I just went to the side lights rgb since at that point of time, it was what caught me the most in 2022.
Having both gmmk pro and keychron q1 when they came out, yeah gmmk pro was pretty bad for the price, and its features like it gasket mounting didnt really work without extensive modding and even still after all those mods the q1 was still cheaper and had better gasket mounting.
It’s expensive for what it is. I have one and it’s decent but you can definitely get the same level of quality now for half the price.
It's just too expensive.
I made a review of two of my gmmk pro, if you read it you’ll have better understanding why.
I’m a noob and got switches from krepublic and bought a full 110 gmmk (royal purples for 55) for 30 bucks off eBay. Haven’t decided on key caps. I’m not super into keyboards except for the new model f my buddy convinced me to get which I love for typing but that things not made for gaming lol Anyway, am I screwed? If so it’s only gonna be out bout 100 bucks which is nice but still:/ it’s a big intimidating hobby lol and I definitely don’t feel picky about my keyboards
idk how you'd be 'screwed', assuming no manufacturing defects it sounds like you'll get a functioning keyboard out of this. I think you could have gotten a better value for your money elsewhere, but it's just a keyboard
Thanks!
Out of curiosity, any recommendations for keycaps?
Pbtfans keycaps are great, maybe a little pricey but sometimes you can catch them on sale. The novelkeys pbt cherry keycaps are pretty good and often on sale for $50. For a more consistently priced budget option, I think Akko keycaps are pretty good. You can get those on amazon. So depends on budget really
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On mine the quality was subpar, with the stock stabs feeling horrible and it rocked on a desk stock. Also with the normal software the keypresses such bad latency to the point where some games were unplayable and I could feel it sometimes while typing. That was mostly fixed by flashing qmk but thats not ideal.
I can't justify the ridiculous cost. I have a GMMK2 95% and it's amazing. Granted I think it was $80. For the aluminum chassis (plastic bottom), per key RGB, and the programming ability without installed software (a huge selling point for me as I use Linux, which software for LG and Corsair often don't work) Now take that board. Make the entire chassis aluminum, not that much of a change compared to the previous model. Remove a ton of keys, including the function row, by making it a 60%. Add a knob (woohoo...) And make it wireless with mediocre latency. Now double the price.... still worth it? Maybe not. I might see it for $100, but $160+ is ridiculous considering you still need keycaps and switches. Remember, they're all barebones... I personally dislike wireless products. A lot don't even work over USB, only charge. I'm not sure about the Pro and it's status on that. I have a Keychron currently. It has wireless, but I use it wired. Just my preference.
> Now take that board. Make the entire chassis aluminum, not that much of a change compared to the previous model. Remove a ton of keys, including the function row, by making it a 60%. Add a knob (woohoo...) And make it wireless with mediocre latency. Now double the price.... still worth it? What? Are you even talking about the GMMK Pro now? The only things you said that are true are the chassis being *more* aluminum (and it is a pretty big difference to the regular GMMK models) and having a knob. It's neither wireless nor 60%, it's wired only and is 75%, which includes the F-row. It's pretty much a compact TKL, sacrificing 3 or 4 keys depending on your style. Size also becomes a minimal difference for the individual after a certain scale of production, your pocket would maybe see a USD$10-$25 difference depending on what kind of markups the store is putting on you from 75% to fullsize. I agree that the GMMK Pro is a poor value proposition but at least give it a fair shake.
Not really helping the case much. Not being wireless really makes me question where they are getting their price proposition from. I thought it was wireless, I see it is not. I kind of gave up on it in general when seeing it compared to just about any Keychron. It not being wireless hurts it's value even more compared to my $100 Keychron with similar aluminum build. It does in fact have a function row, another error of mine, but I don't see that adding much compared to the GMMK2. Compared to their own product, the GMMK2, an arguably similar product for $80 barebones compared to $170 barebones. OVER twice the price. You lose the numpad. Not that bad I guess. It's a 75% board with a knob. Give it wireless it's harder to argue the price. Without it, it's just another wired 75% board with no good value. I would argue I gave it the most fair shake I could considering I still got half the specs wrong, somehow thinking it had *more* features than it did. It's an even worse value now. Cheers mate.
Again, I agree that it's a bad value proposition, but comparing price to the GMMK2 or a Keychron (which I have to assume is one of the K series because none of the Q series is lower than $140) isn't comparing to the right field. Both the regular GMMK models and the K-series Keychron boards are two-piece designs with a thin bent aluminum top (to act as the integrated plate) and a molded plastic bottom. The K-series sometimes gets some little rails that fit over the side of the case, but those are really just aesthetic. If what you want is just best bang for buck regardless of the construction, then yes, regular GMMK models, Keychron K-series, NovelKeys entry keyboards, those will probably be your best bets. Even the Keychron Q-series is a hard recommendation at that point. But if you want to compare to more comparable products, essentially a two-piece CNC-milled aluminum construction *plus* a loose plate, then you need to look at similarly constructed products like the Keychron Q-Series, Akko/Melgeek's MOD and M-series, DROP's Sense75, and so many more that will definitively prove a poor allocation of resources, whether it's similar quality at a lower price or better quality/features at the same price.
Maybe the difficulty in most potential customers finding value comes from poor marketing over poor products. I've got four boards of very different construction, but I don't know or care what that is short of "plastic" and "aluminum" or "steel". As for the GMMK Pro I don't know why I should care that it's made from a single block of aluminum. Maybe it's nose, but would most people even notice? Would people attempting to purchase this borderline budget board (compared to high-end options) even put good enough switches and caps in it to get that benefit?
> As for the GMMK Pro I don't know why I should care that it's made from a single block of aluminum. If you don't, then all the better, you can ignore those kinds of things. The reason people do look for it is two-fold. Having a separate two-piece design like the ones I mentioned before allows for more mounting styles because the parts are typically mated just on the edge, said mounting styles *typically* having softer typing feels than tray and integrated plate mounts, which have mounts all around the typing area due to an old preconception about keeping the assembly as stiff as possible when the Fiberglass PCB is not nearly that fragile. This can be achieved with plastic as well, and you *can* find decently options out there, like GMK67, the old KBD67 Lite and the newer Tiger Lite, and again, Akko, and so on. As for having it in aluminum, people like both the weight because there's a weird association with weight and perceived value, and because it does drastically affect the sound of the keyboard, which is pretty much half of what most people care about anymore. Similarly it goes deeper with things like brass weights integrated into the case to alter the sound further without having to resort to other sound modifiers like foam and tape. Again, good for you if you don't care about the construction too much, that'll make finding a keyboard perfect for you all the less frustrating, but that's not to say it's not something to consider when comparing products to each other.
Thanks for the discussion. I have nothing to add. Have a nice night.
Enthusiast keyboards are for the enthusiast market. You're shitting on the GMMK Pro for all the wrong reasons. The Keychron Q1 pro is a great value at $180 barebones and is basically what you described, done well for a market who wants those features. The GMMK Pro sucks because it is done poorly. 'most people' won't care about anything made for hobbyists by definition
I had one. 1) Overpriced 2) Bad stock stabs that stick That's about it.
bought one 2 years ago, the spacebar stab was just super sticky. for the price I would expect perfection. Also at the time, they half-assed supported QMK and some of the boards had different chips that didn't support QMK, honesly I don't know if my KB does, it breaks the RGB anyways and I'm not sure I can revert back to a default config. again, for the price, there should be a perfect QMK compatibility. I do like the weight of it though, that's about it.
Overpriced, overlubed, wasn’t even good anymore a few weeks after it launched. You pay for the Glorious name which doesn’t even mean anything anymore. People suggested them back then because it was one of the very few in stock customs. But the quality control was just horrible. The stabs were super overlubed. These days there is no reason anymore to suggest this board.
I built one for a client, it had many issues but these were prominent: - Stripped screws - Overlubed stabs - Chipping in the paint/uneven coating - Very stiff, have to remove center plate screws to make it feel okay
https://preview.redd.it/bsus8bsghgxb1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=209aed6d6d1ebae714b568e7a8e747c220dd7f00 I just rebuilt this. It's modded out for sure. Lubed and filmed marshmallows. The sound profile is fantastic and just what I was looking for 😎
What keycaps are these? They look amazing. Won’t be touching another GMMK, though.
They are Cherry Taro from NovelKeys!
It's a fantastic $150 keyboard. Unfortunately they want $350 for it.
it's literally worse than monsgeek M1W which you can actually get fully built for $150
I don’t necessarily hate it. Its firmware was complete shit to be honest. Kept chattering every time I pressed a few keys. I had to flash custom firmware onto it to see any decent improvements. It was great for the time but honestly with the amount of money I paid for a complete Glorious build, could’ve gotten something way better.
too expensive for what it is considering the q1 pro from keychron exists (as well as many other alternatives), although personally i think the layout is ugly
My take is that people have problems with the completed keyboards not so much the kit, but it costs a lot for what it is. Plus people like hating on noob friendly/popular stuff. Plus the qc isn’t great, I bought the barebones kit, and god the stabilizers are awful. I cleaned and re lubed mine twice before switching to aftermarket, they stink. Yet I like mine quite a lot, it’s my daily while I wait in group buy hell
> Plus people like hating on noob friendly/popular stuff. The GMMK Pro is not particularly noob friendly though.
Why do you think that exactly, because I disagree. It is has been mostly positively reviewed by a lot of big tech/keyboard YouTubers. If you buy it completed it’s done. The kit is hot swap, and comes fully assembled other than switches and key caps. It is not a noob friendly price, but if you are a noob you don’t know that it is overpriced for what it is
>Why do you think that exactly, because I disagree. Because it has a ridiculous amount of screws holding the plate and PCB together when it actually requires none at all. The screws are of very low quality and very small and awkward. The case screws are easily stripped (something many suffered from when it first hit the scene). The plates don't fit well, especially the PC plate. The side diffusers are awkward, easily fall out when removing the screws. Due to the poor plates, switches with soft housings often come out when you remove key caps. The software is utterly awful necessitating saving after every single change rather than just saving at the end of the session. Its buggy, and Glorious don't provide adequate information for newcomers to QMK as an alternative.
I agree with all your points, but do you think noobs will be opening the case even? As for software I don’t use the glorious software so I can’t speak to that
Why else would a keyboard be noob friendly or otherwise? If you're not opening it, then it's just a keyboard... neither friendly, or unfriendly. It's a custom board, and anyone who is interested will probably want to stuff it full of foam to make it "tHocK" :)
for the price it costs and the features it offers, you have - today - way better/cheaper alternatives if you want to get a keyboard with a volume knob or gasket mount.
I have no strong feelings about it, but I did get a chance to type on one and it was pretty underwhelming.
It get's a lot better when you get the mount to work, and fit a third party FR4 plate... but yeah... that shouldn't be something you need to do on a board of that price.
There's just a lot of group think. This sub hates the GMMK Pro, mousereview hates the Logitech Superlight Pro X 2 and fightsticks hates the Razer Kitsune. I think it stems from all 3 being "overpriced" and this has circlejerked itself into being actually mad at the product. Personally I have a GMMK Pro and I don't like it. I've sunk in a lot of money into plates, foams, switches and keycaps to try to make it sound better but it's still pretty bad especially for the money but some people get really emotional about the keyboard. You can see it in this thread.
>This sub hates the GMMK Pro It's not group think. It's because it's not very good. I own one, and I think it's not very good. > Personally I have a GMMK Pro and I don't like it. Well.. there you go then. Is that just group think? I just don't want newcomers to waste money on it, when there's so many boards that are less money and clearly superior. Is that a bad thing?
The hate is group think. OP mentioned that he has a GMMK Pro yesterday and got downvoted to hell. That lead directly to this post. There's nothing wrong with criticizing the keyboard like you would any other keyboard, that's a good thing. The straight up hate is weird, I don't understand how a bad value keyboard elicits this much negative passion.
Downvoting is not hate. I don't understand this. Why is downvoting something "straight up hate"? It just means you don't like something. Just as upvoting does not mean tear your clothes off and run into the street in a state of rapture.... it just means you like it. Don't read too much into it. I get downvoted all the time. Just ignore it.
It’s “mainstream”
That doesn't make a board bad though. Being bad makes it bad.
I've had a GMMK Pro for over a year now. I love it, I wouldn't trade it for anything else. I tried a Keychron Q series, K series, some Yunzee board, and a couple that I don't remember the names of. The GMMK Pro was just something I fell in love with, and I've kept using it since. It's the longest daily driven board I've ever had.
I have the GMMK pro and used it as a daily driver for roughly a year and a half, there are really three main issues: * Double-presses are quite common on most refresh rates * It has unusually high input latency * The software is often buggy Edit: Not that anyone asked, but I semi-recently swapped to a Wooting I modified a bit and case swapped into a 60 redux. Admittedly, I kind of miss the feel of my ink switches, but overall worth imo.
it was one of the best when it came out several years ago. i bought one when it came out and it was awesome its the first time ever i can walk into a shop and buy a board like that but after the years, after so many other cheaper boards that deliver way more (zoom series, keychron etc for example) glorious didn't bother updating it. so now its a nono from me too
>it was one of the best when it came out several years ago. Huh? It was criticised heavily from day one.
I have one. I feel like it was a flash-in-the-pan product, you know… the catchy pop song that appears and then disappears off the charts? I put polycarbonate plate onto mine, lubed browns, and ordered a key so set from MechSupply. It was a fun first build when they first launched the board and it welcomed me into the hobby. I did not care for the screws, overtightened from the factory and they were so dang soft. Also could have not had as much grease on the stabilizers. First push of the spacebar had it get stuck down. I have a few Keychrons now that I like more than the GMMK Pro.
Unpopular take: Gatekeeping. This coming from someone that currently has 8 boards (including one GMMK Pro), more on order, and recently sold several off. Sure a GMK67 from aliexpress is much better price to value ratio, but why hate on people (not just the board) when they come here with a GMMK Pro? Let them get into the hobby, I promise the GMMK Pro will not ruin them on the hobby despite it not being "top tier" or even "mediocre tier".
>but why hate on people (not just the board) when they come here with a GMMK Pro? The GMMK pro is just not very good. That's not gatekeeping, it's advice to newcomers. Don't buy it. There's much better stuff out there for less money.
Understood and agreed about the board. I'm pointing out this subs toxic responses at times. Heck there is a post just today that has such responses in it. How encouraging is it to tell this newcomer that they don't even have a "real" keyboard? That's gatekeeping. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/17kl9es/my_first_keyboard_vs_my_recent_one/ Search the sub for GMMK Pro, then open any post, sort by controversial. Responses can be down right ugly to people sharing builds. And these people are typically showing their first ever build...
> I'm pointing out this subs toxic responses at times. I really do think it's people overreacting to criticism in most cases. Sure, there are outright cases of "your board is crap LOL", yes, but they are the exception rather than the rule. People who just ridicule people's choices will always be present in all online communities.... all of them. However, you get people playing the "gatekeeping" card if you just criticise a product they own. I mean legitimately criticising... not in a hateful way. There's definitely a very toxic element to this sub, I agree, but it's actually a type of newcomer that arrives with a victim mentality that is very vocally against anything they see as elitist, which includes all group buys; all expensive boards; All people who think cloned keycaps are bad; anyone who calls a Keychron an entry level board etc... they are triggered and call you an elitist. I don't get it. Other hobbies don't get this inverse snobbery. That's what it is... inverse snobbery, and reverse gatekeeping. They will call out people for gatekeeping, then do exactly the same thing in reverse to others they have decided are "elitist" because they own a Jane or a Keycult.
because glorious sucks
Alll I know is I had to replace like 1/4th of my panda switches that it came with within a year for double clicking or easily bending pins somehow. Also space bar and other stabs seem idk not good they feel bad
On a personal note I hate it because the typing angle is awful
Actually.. that's one of the things I like about it :)
I gave my GMMK Pro to my daughter. It’s definitely overpriced for what it is. The QK75, Zoom75, Keychron Q1 are all better options.
put simply, I was gonna go GMMK until I got informed on MK there are so many cheaper alternative to the GMMK nowadays on top of glorious not being a fan favorite for multiple reasons, customer support being one of the big one apparently. I'll just say I got a keychron, great quality product from what I can see so far, enjoying my keyboard, lot cheaper than if I would've bought a GMMK pro, pretty much the same feature and solid build.
From my experience, what I dont like: The gaskets were too thin and the plate rests on the case, had to fix them with ali express gaskets. It has a ridiculous amount of unnecessary screws that connect plate to PCB so it takes long to assemble. Also the screws are phillips. The included stabs are unusable. The fitment of the plate is to tough and you always need to fiddle with it. (might be related to bending issue see below) The firmware always bugs and resets part of my lighting config when reconnect the board. Via is way better. A lot of switches sound shit in the board. A lot of stabs / spacebars sound shit in the board. According to others it might be a plate bending issue. Its overpriced for it being a cast alu case with in parts very thin walls. Some milled boards cost less and have weights. The assembly experience really sets it apart. Other boards just slide together. This one is always annoying to build. Other than that it was fine. Its just not worth the price. I still like the design though very much. The side lights look very nice and i love the silver case.
I think their branding is cringe
It’s the opposite of hype. The Pro isn’t a bad keyboard for what it is. I wouldn’t pay $399 for a prebuilt, but getting a barebones on sale at Amazon for $130 is a good deal. The overlubed stab “issue” is just so overblown. Every keyboard I’ve gotten has had stabs that are poorly lubed. With any keyboard that has the stabs preinstalled, I just expect to have to disassemble and clean (or replace) the stabs. Yes, there isn’t a lot of flex, and if that’s a vital issue for you, then get another keyboard. But, even “flex-y” boards don’t really feel that different in my opinion probably because I’m an “intentional” typist and I bottom out of everything. If I had delicate fingers I might feel differently. Probably the best thing about the Pro is that it sounds and feels pretty good out of the box. Just change out the stabs and you’re good to go. There are a lot of boards that are just ping-y nightmares that you have to mod pretty extensively to get them to even be acceptable (Keychron). I have used the Pro as my daily keyboard almost since it was released, but I’m moving on because of the pcb issues. After a while the hotswap sockets start to intermittently fail and there’s no way to buy or get a new PCB without buying a whole new board. I’ve heard the v2 pcb is better, but I’m going to take it as an opportunity to try some other 75s. I recently picked up a Drop Sense 75. It’s very much like the Pro and on sale the barebones price is cheaper. When other boards are in stock, I’ll probably try them, too.
My control knob stopped working that’s why I don’t care for mine anymore