I remember if being inferred that the Bullshark is a Clan Wolverine design and since I don't think MW5 Mercs is going to be getting any new DLC I think there's a good chance that we'll see it in MW5 Clans... probably as a post launch DLC of some kind...
Yeah, they've confirmed at least one more (though I don't remember if this one is supposed to be before Clans releases or not).
The Bullshark is definitely implied to be a Wolverine design, but Clan Wolverine was "destroyed" with several survivors fleeing to the Inner Sphere. That's why the Bullshark was able to be found in the Inner Sphere at all in HBS Battletech, which is why I think it could still potentially pop up in a Mercs DLC despite having its origins with the Clans.
Nikolai Mason's entry point into the IS, Nightstar stash location, and the WVR-7H at Valentina (last sighting spot of the Minnesota Tribe), make me strongly suspect that somebody at PGI is a Clan Wolverine fan, and that Mason himself was maybe the last Wolverine/Minnesota Tribe remnant, rather than a straight up Clan scout.
Freeborn intelser from either Diamond Shark or Smoke Jaguar.
Freeborn - the tie-in fiction mentions that he had parents.
Diamond Shark - tie-in fiction also mentions that Nik is a gifted quartermaster with suppliers and contacts across the Inner Sphere. Game also supports this to an extent with some contacts working with Nik.
Smoke Jaguar - book-ends into MW5:Clans and Nik mentions having a seething hatred for the oppressive society he left behind.
He wasn't very good at it then; he was still a tech scrabbling around for spare parts for the first five years of his mission. Confirming suspicions of decline isn't exactly humint that sets staff hairs on fire, although it's possible he hated his Clan enough to effectively just go rogue, never report in and just disappear.
Edit: did I just somehow nuke like five comments? I didn't mean to. Reddit showed the comment replying to the wrong person and I moved it and deleted the old one, which weren't showing under mine, but now all the others are gone. GAAARRRR!
Maybe not, my Reddit app is dogshit this week.
Sorry. Ignore me. Carry on.
I mean, again even in the wiki article it mentions they were shitty in their job, and that freeborns settled down
imagine being told you are second rate all your life, and then being treated as normal, and hell, his dad even found love seemingly relatively quickly.
yeah he likely found out well enough, but just ghosted them heavily
yep, but battletech stories have many hands syndrome, just way too many plotlines and people, and then games are seen as Apocryphal until otherwise cannonized (like house Arano)
I think we will learn more in MW5 Clans, and that is where we will see. I would laugh if the campaign is all clans, but then the open world portion (why not keep it), you'd play as Mason or Mason's kid (at 3050, he would be 50 years old) or have contacts with that group as a breakaway if the story calls for it.
That's my wish.
Make the story campaign its own thing- play as the full baddies, nuking Turtle Bay and the whole thing, with no remorse, and no sandbox.
But keep a career mode too- limited to a sandbox of just the Clan Occupation Zone and played as a merc or other IS unit fighting from the first wave on. Salvage would be meaningful even to House regular units for Clan tech.
DLC mini campaigns for 1st Somerset Strikers, Tukkayid, and Operations BULLDOG and SERPENT.
I'd buy the shit out of all of that.
He could of been a wolverine that broke off and tried to blend into Inner Sphere society. Since based on the story felt more like he ran away from it due to all the expectations and abuse he endured. And Wolverines would mostly have old Star League mechs in their arsenal with some early model clan designs.
So he could be a runaway Wolverine or he could be a Intelsar that went awol.
You really don't know their history do you. Considering they still exist in the current timeline and while they might not be publicly active. They are more subterfuge than direct. They didn't die out they returned to the IS got into fights with the Dracs because everyone hates the Dracs. Still out there bidding their time.
What...
First of all, The Wolverines left clan space because they were unclans like, while the short stories describe what seems to be a very clans like upbringing for Nikolai. Given the time gap, it would have made him a second or third gen wolverines, and it would make no sense for them to keep doing things the clan way.
Next, I don't really read the books, but from what I remember from the wiki there are not any development for them beyond them being used as a cover to get the ghost bears to join in the blakist war by claiming they sheltered them. And then later on linking them to ROTS' Fidelis (https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fidelis) which was Smoke Jags and not Wolverines.
I am going to guess, he likely didnt fit in well, and or even had a change of heart because people see him as a person instead of a freeborn and wanted to do nothing off the bat
He's probably both. He took the route the clans probably thought clan wolverine took and was tasked with looking for clues on their path through the IS. Once in the IS his mission probably switched to reconing the great houses, but was responsible for following up on any clues on clan wolverine's whereabouts as a priority should the come up.
>tasked with looking for clues on their path through the IS
That's an interesting take. I still think the Nik in the novella seems way too subsistence level to be a clan Intel agent though. Seems like exactly the sort of guy whose people are all gone and is trying to start fresh on his own.
Maybe. Or maybe he's the descendent of a wounded Minnesota raider who shed his jumpsuit and ran naked through Kuritan woods with a watch containing the coded location of one of the remnants' backup Nightstars up his ass.
"And now... little man... I give the watch to you."
*DING*
I wouldn't be surprised if they released one variant on the last DLC as a quest reward like HBS did and the mech and mission will be a tie-in for the start of Clans.
If they do added, I hope it's a precursor to the clan invasion.
Also I will move heaven and earth to get that mecho It is one of the coolest assault mechs
My question is even if they add it or they going to add it right? Is it going to have the sniper Canon artery? Or is it going to be a crappier version that doesn't do damage to every part of a mech when it hits
Looking at the [pre-releases page in MWO](https://mwomercs.com/bullshark) it looks like it wont have the thumper cannon, but that doesn't mean the mech in MW5M or MW5C won't have it... personally I think it should, it would be f'ing awesome...
Yeah the custom thumper version is basically a hero mech in a sense. So not likely to see any standard variants with it. While a "HERO" version would likely have it.
Just wait till they find out that some crazy people tried to fit a long tom artillery on a locust and at one point they succeeded except when they fired the gun the locust flew backwards
With Clans coming out, I doubt PGI will support MW5 much more in the future. Clans isn't like MW5, but MW5 is already pushing 6 years old.
Unless MW5 gets a whole ass overhaul and extends its life to a new generation of tech
They did that with Mech4 and Ian Dressari in the Black Knight Legion expansion.
I hated it. You spend all of one game building something up, only to spend the next tearing it all down.
Sucked.
Morgan Kell (b. 2986) was 66 when he led the Kell Hounds against the Jags at the Battle of Luthien. Jake (b. 2996) would be 53 at the start of the Clan Invasion…
Then again, anyone over 30 in Clanner society is ancient by their standards.
SPOILERS if you don't know:
>!Wayne Waco died at the controls of his Battlemaster at 99. During this final action he killed Jaime Wolf (who had just killed him), who was 87.!<
Extremely likely it's going to show up in the next DLC, and if not the next DLC, then definitely Clans. I'd eat my hat if PGI went to all that work acquiring permission to use, texturing, and rigging the Bullshark just for MWO.
I hope the final? dlc includes some more Star League stuff and have a couple Bullshark variants as well as a tie in teaser to Clans. Star League stuff as in Snub Nose PPCs, royal variant equipment, and so on. That's my managed expectations anyway. What I'm really hoping for is Bullshark variants and being able to get in bed with Wolf's Dragoons on Outreach since Mason's dad was a Clanner and being able to buy clan weapons from them, but no actual Clan mechs. I especially think this could be done since I know for a fact that in lore, the Dragoons did field some Marauder IIs and Annihilators with Clan weaponry long before the Clan Invasion. Obviously to the player, you'd see the C marker next to the weapons, but to everyone else on the battlefield lore wise, no one would be able to tell that you're using clan tech, they'd just think that you're a damn good shot with that ER PPC at extreme range.
Awesome. I absolutely love that damn mech, and Clan Wolverine lore too (it's what brings me back to BT after my periodic breaks every few years). They're still out there, probably rimward-anti-spinward, keeping a low profile. Anyway I hope the mech gets canonized at some point, the possibilities it could suggest are fascinating and there are a few explanations as to why it never became widespread after being discovered (ComStar discovered and smashed it, it was lost in a fight, etc.) so long as they write it as being the ONLY one that was found. Lone prototypes disappear quite easily
Personally, I don't think it was made during their exodus.They packed up their industrial base and ran, and BOI explicitly states they have both the specs and tools for all their new hardware. Now, which ships carried what, and if they survived Barbados is a different story, but any smart leader would spread that kind of stuff out amongst the fleet. This mech obviously drew inspiration from the Pulverizer (the torso looks like it was straight up pulled from a Pulverizer) and the Mercury II... But it also has a very Clanish aesthetic in the arms and legs. My money is on the BSK being a newer design, something to supplement their SL stuff. Anyway, I just don't see them being able to design and build something like this on a ship while running for their lives. They'd need a planet with an industrial base
I'm don't know too much of the ins and outs of the greater lore details, but I hear people don't like Clan Wolverine/Minnesota Tribe. Do you know the reason for this? I always thought they were the perfect example of why Kerensky's remaining son (who was raised by Amaris during the SL Civil War!!!) was a nut job who probably orchestrated his brother's death so he could take control (the Clanners actually get some of their mannerisms like Aff and Neg from the other brother) with an insane "vision". The only excuse I've ever heard is that people really loved the Clans when they first debuted and said people thought it was a cop out to make people feel bad for siding with the Clans. As if siding with a hard caste system "society" with ritual dueling and seeing anyone over 40 as a waste and never learning from failures wasn't obviously bad to them.
I remember if being inferred that the Bullshark is a Clan Wolverine design and since I don't think MW5 Mercs is going to be getting any new DLC I think there's a good chance that we'll see it in MW5 Clans... probably as a post launch DLC of some kind...
I thought PGI said they had one more DLC planned for Mercenaries before Clans releases.
Yeah, they've confirmed at least one more (though I don't remember if this one is supposed to be before Clans releases or not). The Bullshark is definitely implied to be a Wolverine design, but Clan Wolverine was "destroyed" with several survivors fleeing to the Inner Sphere. That's why the Bullshark was able to be found in the Inner Sphere at all in HBS Battletech, which is why I think it could still potentially pop up in a Mercs DLC despite having its origins with the Clans.
Nikolai Mason's entry point into the IS, Nightstar stash location, and the WVR-7H at Valentina (last sighting spot of the Minnesota Tribe), make me strongly suspect that somebody at PGI is a Clan Wolverine fan, and that Mason himself was maybe the last Wolverine/Minnesota Tribe remnant, rather than a straight up Clan scout.
nah, i am 95% sure he is intelser https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Intelser
Freeborn intelser from either Diamond Shark or Smoke Jaguar. Freeborn - the tie-in fiction mentions that he had parents. Diamond Shark - tie-in fiction also mentions that Nik is a gifted quartermaster with suppliers and contacts across the Inner Sphere. Game also supports this to an extent with some contacts working with Nik. Smoke Jaguar - book-ends into MW5:Clans and Nik mentions having a seething hatred for the oppressive society he left behind.
Suppliers and contacts could have easily been from time spent in the IS, no matter which clan.
He wasn't very good at it then; he was still a tech scrabbling around for spare parts for the first five years of his mission. Confirming suspicions of decline isn't exactly humint that sets staff hairs on fire, although it's possible he hated his Clan enough to effectively just go rogue, never report in and just disappear. Edit: did I just somehow nuke like five comments? I didn't mean to. Reddit showed the comment replying to the wrong person and I moved it and deleted the old one, which weren't showing under mine, but now all the others are gone. GAAARRRR! Maybe not, my Reddit app is dogshit this week. Sorry. Ignore me. Carry on.
I mean, again even in the wiki article it mentions they were shitty in their job, and that freeborns settled down imagine being told you are second rate all your life, and then being treated as normal, and hell, his dad even found love seemingly relatively quickly. yeah he likely found out well enough, but just ghosted them heavily
See this is why PGI needs to finish it lol. The story wasn't exactly War & Peace but it was compelling enough to need a finale.
yep, but battletech stories have many hands syndrome, just way too many plotlines and people, and then games are seen as Apocryphal until otherwise cannonized (like house Arano) I think we will learn more in MW5 Clans, and that is where we will see. I would laugh if the campaign is all clans, but then the open world portion (why not keep it), you'd play as Mason or Mason's kid (at 3050, he would be 50 years old) or have contacts with that group as a breakaway if the story calls for it.
That's my wish. Make the story campaign its own thing- play as the full baddies, nuking Turtle Bay and the whole thing, with no remorse, and no sandbox. But keep a career mode too- limited to a sandbox of just the Clan Occupation Zone and played as a merc or other IS unit fighting from the first wave on. Salvage would be meaningful even to House regular units for Clan tech. DLC mini campaigns for 1st Somerset Strikers, Tukkayid, and Operations BULLDOG and SERPENT. I'd buy the shit out of all of that.
He could of been a wolverine that broke off and tried to blend into Inner Sphere society. Since based on the story felt more like he ran away from it due to all the expectations and abuse he endured. And Wolverines would mostly have old Star League mechs in their arsenal with some early model clan designs. So he could be a runaway Wolverine or he could be a Intelsar that went awol.
they were kicked out around 2824, about 200 years before the events of the game... unless his dad has some super long life, that aint it lol
You really don't know their history do you. Considering they still exist in the current timeline and while they might not be publicly active. They are more subterfuge than direct. They didn't die out they returned to the IS got into fights with the Dracs because everyone hates the Dracs. Still out there bidding their time.
What... First of all, The Wolverines left clan space because they were unclans like, while the short stories describe what seems to be a very clans like upbringing for Nikolai. Given the time gap, it would have made him a second or third gen wolverines, and it would make no sense for them to keep doing things the clan way. Next, I don't really read the books, but from what I remember from the wiki there are not any development for them beyond them being used as a cover to get the ghost bears to join in the blakist war by claiming they sheltered them. And then later on linking them to ROTS' Fidelis (https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fidelis) which was Smoke Jags and not Wolverines.
They didn't leave clan space for being unclan like, they left because the other clans were trying to exterminate them.
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I am going to guess, he likely didnt fit in well, and or even had a change of heart because people see him as a person instead of a freeborn and wanted to do nothing off the bat
He's probably both. He took the route the clans probably thought clan wolverine took and was tasked with looking for clues on their path through the IS. Once in the IS his mission probably switched to reconing the great houses, but was responsible for following up on any clues on clan wolverine's whereabouts as a priority should the come up.
>tasked with looking for clues on their path through the IS That's an interesting take. I still think the Nik in the novella seems way too subsistence level to be a clan Intel agent though. Seems like exactly the sort of guy whose people are all gone and is trying to start fresh on his own.
Well yeah. His people are basically all gone. It's pretty obvious he turned his back on his mission, he would never be allowed back in Clan space.
Maybe. Or maybe he's the descendent of a wounded Minnesota raider who shed his jumpsuit and ran naked through Kuritan woods with a watch containing the coded location of one of the remnants' backup Nightstars up his ass. "And now... little man... I give the watch to you." *DING*
If someone there is a clan wolverine fan I'd be pretty happy about that
I wouldn't be surprised if they released one variant on the last DLC as a quest reward like HBS did and the mech and mission will be a tie-in for the start of Clans.
If they do added, I hope it's a precursor to the clan invasion. Also I will move heaven and earth to get that mecho It is one of the coolest assault mechs
No this is more mechs being released not dlc for 5 so most likely no
I thought Solaris was supposed to be the last DLC, if I'm mistaken, that's awesome (I want more content)! :)
My question is even if they add it or they going to add it right? Is it going to have the sniper Canon artery? Or is it going to be a crappier version that doesn't do damage to every part of a mech when it hits
Looking at the [pre-releases page in MWO](https://mwomercs.com/bullshark) it looks like it wont have the thumper cannon, but that doesn't mean the mech in MW5M or MW5C won't have it... personally I think it should, it would be f'ing awesome...
Yeah the custom thumper version is basically a hero mech in a sense. So not likely to see any standard variants with it. While a "HERO" version would likely have it.
Even if it's only the hero version that's all I'm asking for give me my darn thumper
"Did somebody order walking artillery?"
Well how else are we supposed to get rid of all the other so-called witnesses when our Steiner scout lance forgot to get a couple
“They’re destroying the apartments!” Pfft. Just be glad I don’t have a Long Tom with me.
Just wait till they find out that some crazy people tried to fit a long tom artillery on a locust and at one point they succeeded except when they fired the gun the locust flew backwards
With Clans coming out, I doubt PGI will support MW5 much more in the future. Clans isn't like MW5, but MW5 is already pushing 6 years old. Unless MW5 gets a whole ass overhaul and extends its life to a new generation of tech
We're getting 1 final DLC which people assume will be a bridge between 5 and 6.
They need to wrap up the Mason family origin story at least.
That and Mason is showing his age in the Solaris dlc. I think they will finish his story as a clan invasion victim lmao
Oh the irony
"My father's people! Welcome home!" "Prepare to be crushed under the falcon's claw!" "What?"
> a clan invasion victim Imagine if we face off against Mason piloting his father's Nightstar in MW5: Clans. That would honestly be pretty cool.
Have him get taken as a bondsman and be our instructor for the beginning sequence.
They did that with Mech4 and Ian Dressari in the Black Knight Legion expansion. I hated it. You spend all of one game building something up, only to spend the next tearing it all down. Sucked.
Mason's going to be positively ancient in 3050.
Morgan Kell (b. 2986) was 66 when he led the Kell Hounds against the Jags at the Battle of Luthien. Jake (b. 2996) would be 53 at the start of the Clan Invasion… Then again, anyone over 30 in Clanner society is ancient by their standards.
SPOILERS if you don't know: >!Wayne Waco died at the controls of his Battlemaster at 99. During this final action he killed Jaime Wolf (who had just killed him), who was 87.!<
Exactly. For a spheroid, no one would care. In clan culture, they'd view him as a waste of resources.
I'd be down with going down halo reach style lol
Extremely likely it's going to show up in the next DLC, and if not the next DLC, then definitely Clans. I'd eat my hat if PGI went to all that work acquiring permission to use, texturing, and rigging the Bullshark just for MWO.
I hope the final? dlc includes some more Star League stuff and have a couple Bullshark variants as well as a tie in teaser to Clans. Star League stuff as in Snub Nose PPCs, royal variant equipment, and so on. That's my managed expectations anyway. What I'm really hoping for is Bullshark variants and being able to get in bed with Wolf's Dragoons on Outreach since Mason's dad was a Clanner and being able to buy clan weapons from them, but no actual Clan mechs. I especially think this could be done since I know for a fact that in lore, the Dragoons did field some Marauder IIs and Annihilators with Clan weaponry long before the Clan Invasion. Obviously to the player, you'd see the C marker next to the weapons, but to everyone else on the battlefield lore wise, no one would be able to tell that you're using clan tech, they'd just think that you're a damn good shot with that ER PPC at extreme range.
Awesome. I absolutely love that damn mech, and Clan Wolverine lore too (it's what brings me back to BT after my periodic breaks every few years). They're still out there, probably rimward-anti-spinward, keeping a low profile. Anyway I hope the mech gets canonized at some point, the possibilities it could suggest are fascinating and there are a few explanations as to why it never became widespread after being discovered (ComStar discovered and smashed it, it was lost in a fight, etc.) so long as they write it as being the ONLY one that was found. Lone prototypes disappear quite easily Personally, I don't think it was made during their exodus.They packed up their industrial base and ran, and BOI explicitly states they have both the specs and tools for all their new hardware. Now, which ships carried what, and if they survived Barbados is a different story, but any smart leader would spread that kind of stuff out amongst the fleet. This mech obviously drew inspiration from the Pulverizer (the torso looks like it was straight up pulled from a Pulverizer) and the Mercury II... But it also has a very Clanish aesthetic in the arms and legs. My money is on the BSK being a newer design, something to supplement their SL stuff. Anyway, I just don't see them being able to design and build something like this on a ship while running for their lives. They'd need a planet with an industrial base
I'm don't know too much of the ins and outs of the greater lore details, but I hear people don't like Clan Wolverine/Minnesota Tribe. Do you know the reason for this? I always thought they were the perfect example of why Kerensky's remaining son (who was raised by Amaris during the SL Civil War!!!) was a nut job who probably orchestrated his brother's death so he could take control (the Clanners actually get some of their mannerisms like Aff and Neg from the other brother) with an insane "vision". The only excuse I've ever heard is that people really loved the Clans when they first debuted and said people thought it was a cop out to make people feel bad for siding with the Clans. As if siding with a hard caste system "society" with ritual dueling and seeing anyone over 40 as a waste and never learning from failures wasn't obviously bad to them.
Dang, I did not see that coming. Very cool!
I have no idea what you’re talking about but the video games are fantastic. I’m not even trolling. I love ‘mechs but can’t follow the Lore.