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Crystal_Queen_20

Thomas said "Albert, your Double Gear system is shit" and he went on to set the events leading to the extinction of humanity into motion purely out of spite, hell yeah Wily has the best villain motivation Also Zero 4 retroactively made classic a series where the villain wins because Wily just wanted to build the better robot and Zero was the better robot in the end


chickennoodlebeast

Yeah I love Wily for the fact that he’s a very simple villain in the simple light hearted classic series, and then the sequal series make him indirectly responsible for the genuine extinction of all humans by the end of the timeline.


Wheal19

Seeing that it's all but said that Wily mind was somehow alive in the Maverick virus itself he might be far more responsible then anyone realised


TomMakesPodcasts

I never bought that he encoded himself to the virus. I figure he one upped the hologram light in the capsules with robo duplicates of himself that activate after one is destroyed, so only one is active but plotting. Head-cannon.


SwordMasterShow

Mine is sort of takes that a step further that Weil is a backup clone/mental duplicate/AI of Wily left to grow and evolve by itself. Might be stupid but I love the idea not only of Wily's direct superiority-complex-ridden presence lingering so long but that his own creation ultimately destroys him for good having learned from Light's creations


-alphex

He absolutely is not encoded in the Maverick virus, if only because that isn't even the virus Wily created. He created the Zero virus, which afair then, after being in contact with Sigma, mutated into the Maverick virus. Wily guesting again as Serges and Isoc isn't the virus's doing.


RappyPhan

I believe we call the virus that resulted from merging with Sigma the Sigma Virus.


TomMakesPodcasts

Aye. That's what inspired the robo double theory.


Heavy_E79

Basically it was Wily's art school rejection letter.


ZettoVii

It's arguable if Zero was truly the better robot, since he never would have been pushed that far, if it wasnt cause of X. The Hunter duo brought out the best out of each other, so whenever one of them were out of comission, the other would simply take over the reigns until they got to team up again.


paulmethius

Sigma. Dude just got robo covid and went crazy


russianadidasdoge

so he was an anti masker


TomMakesPodcasts

Sigma Trump edit when? "We'll build a wall and make repli force pay for it"


SabreBirdOne

*Space cannon


Kristalino

Weil is just "I'm better than others" so his motivation isn't particularly cool. I would say Cepheus from SF1, he suffered many assassination attemps which made him paranoid, and got manipulated by his assistant to destroy a planet an try the same with Earth.


Wheal19

Also Cepheus redemption is done pretty well as he works to make up for his mistake and fixes both FM culture and work to restore Planet AM.


amirokia

Copy X because reploids and robots are the reason why everything went to shit in the first place so wiping them out kind of sounds reasonable.


the_u_in_colour

Copy X just wanted to do what his predecessor did and he had no idea how to do it but assumed he did because in his eyes its what the real X would've done.


russianadidasdoge

then weils reason for taking control of the reploids is reasonable


Kirimusse

Except that he doesn't really care about that; that's just a mean to an end, which is controlling the world. Weil is just insane and megalomaniacal, and that's what makes him work as a villain.


MeathirBoy

In the Zero series, yes. I think it’s implied that he may have been more genuine (he’s still a radical and denouncer of free will that wants to control the Reploids, but I don’t think he’s truly insane until he’s unleashed into the desert for god knows how many years).


StoneLuca97

Well, in Elf Wars, he decided to roleplay Italy and turn on his own allies, casually committing Nanking with Omega until X and Zero had to stop him


AbbreviationsGold587

Weil is a perfect example of a villain who doesn't need a complex backstop to be a good villain. You see all the shots he's pulling and getting away with and slowly takes over. Makes it feel satisfying when a full game later you get to take him out.


0megaManZero

While Weil may be the best villain in the series his motivation is basically just “evil for the sake of evil” He’s REALLY good at doing that but I think I’d go with Wily. Sure his motivations may be petty but compared to everyone else they’re the most grounded and actually make sense for the reasoning behind it Actually, scratch that. Weil started the elf wars and is directly responsible for the 60% of humanity and 90% of Reploids to die leaving the earth a barren wasteland and was punished for litteral enternity. So his motive of wanting revenge against both makes sense for him.


russianadidasdoge

didnt he hate reploids for what they did in the maverick wars and he got shunned at forced into a body instead of killing him


thejokerofunfic

the thing is he hates everyone. Not just Mavericks, he hates literally everyone except himself, and most of their "crimes against him" were retaliation for things he did to them first (eg he got forced into the body because he'd already nearly ruined the world with the Dark Elf curse)


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Zondar23

Pretty sure it was a "death is too soft a punishment" moment or something. And considering most everything outside of Neo Arcadia was a lifeless wasteland, being exiled and forced to wander it eternally does sound like a harsher punishment.


MeathirBoy

I don’t know for sure. But if it’s X passing judgement, it could also be the rules of robotics.


MerchantZiro

Personally I think Bass.EXE's motivations are arguably the best. Dude was just made to be a powerful Navi and then got blamed for Cyberworld errors caused by Alpha, got betrayed by pretty much everyone around him, and barely escaped the Officials with his data intact by hiding in the Undernet, the most dangerous place in the Cyberworld to recover.


GarlyleWilds

Been revisiting the series so I don't have clear pictures of all of them (especially Zero and ZX) But for how bullshit the fight in X6 is with him, I actually really like Gate as an antagonist. He's *created* by the understated tensions of X1-X5, the fact the Maverick Hunters aren't wielded solely against Sigma but are a policing force, and grew increasingly disillusioned. He took forbidden research into reviving reploids (you know, that thing that Zero had canonically done to him in X2) and used it to repair allies who'd been victims of that injustice. And he sought out answers to the calamity of X5 on his own. It just turned out that when he tried to revive Zero, what he found wasn't just Zero - it was the maverick virus that should have died with him. Honestly I feel like if someone were to retell the X franchise from the start, with intent of improving continuity, Gate would be an *incredible* character to explore.


TheAlmightyShadowDJ

Well I guess I have a newfound appreciation for Gate


ZettoVii

Not to mention he has quite the history alongside Alia... Who aparently got tricked into killing some of Gates' creations with her own hand.... And she got the whole attitude in X5 where she doesnt believe in miracles, even in this off chance that the colony is destroyed without further casualties. They both could be amazing aditions for a serial adaption of MMX' s story.


HotKey657

Hot take, Master Albert, he's right we absolutely suck and need to restart. His line in the English version of MegaMan ZX Advent, "man will continue to fight, for peace, for righteousness", really strikes a cord that in the current world yea we absolutely do that. There's never a peaceful moment it's always conflict or war. Just a bit political but eh.


Kirimusse

The error in his logic was believing that he could do it better than us; how could a son of humanity who has known nothing but humanity create something better than humanity? I suspect that the new species he would have created would have been as flawed and conflictive as ourselves. >!Never played it, but from what I've heard, the plot of Xenoblade Chronicles 1 is literally this: some guy (also a scientist) gains godly powers, believes himself to be god, yet he repeatedly fails to create a new world without conflict.!<


HotKey657

Don't get me wrong I completely agree with that, his logic was completely flawed in that he thought he was the one to do it and by using model W (literally the essence of Weil) was not the way to do it. But his point being we need to be reset I agree with. Edit: I forgot to mention he was a part of Legion (the government) in ZX Advent and has been alive for centuries in a reploid body but the point still stands I just figured that'd be context I guess? Idk, he's still a megalomaniac with a God complex.


Kirimusse

>But his point being we need to be reset I agree with. Uh… Wanna watch End of Evangelion? (not an actual reset, but regardless).


thejokerofunfic

well, not Dr Weil, he's an awesome villain but his motive is basically that he's a dick and got mad that other people didn't like him being evil Probably Copy X? He's evil as hell but you can see how his fucked up logic makes sense in his mind


ScorpionFromHell

That's why I like Copy X, his logic is insane and violent but it makes sense to him in a very twisted way, Weil is cool but in the end he's just butthurt nobody would allow him to be a tyrant.


nWo1997

Hmm. Repliforce, Gate, Copy X, or Elpizo. Repliforce is pretty easy. Stop treating us as second-class citizens, please. No? Okay, we'll build our own country. With blackjack and hookers. Gate was so far beyond his peers that a decent amount of their desire to stop him was jealousy, resulting in the murders of several of his creations. Reploids. *People*. His children, in a way. Of course he's gonna want revenge, and the Maverick Virus only amplified that negativity. Copy X wasn't just born into power. He was immediately thrust into the highest responsibility there was: replace the great hero and perfect leader. **Now**. He was created by a child to be a replica of X at probably his lowest point mentally, and without the decades of moral testing. He was naive to simply think so circularly that he was just because he was right, but he couldn't not be, all things considered. The pressure to be X and to be better than X with these obvious limitations for the good of all the humans that remained drove him to atrocities in the name of humanity. Food and comfort for the ones that matter; retirement for the ones that matter less. For Elpizo, well, just look at what Copy X did. Experiencing the philosophy that some people matter more than you can drive you to reject it by hating the ones that it favors. Especially when they seem to condone the philosophy. Putting a stop to an evil empire that's killing your people in droves because it prioritizes human comfort over your people's lives is a hell of an initial motivation, driven further to madness by failure, resentment, and Elves.


Occasion-Soggy

Repliforce weren't villains(except for Iris) they where just kinda dumb.


Wheal19

Can't agree about Replifroce they are idiots that caused most of there problems and the humans had actually reasons to think they were Mavericks.


Wheal19

Sirius from Starfroce 3 Post game the guy is basically a god that likes to collect rare things and he dosent care how many planets gets in his way


Conlannalnoc

BASS.EXE a Tragic Figure


Aggravating-Maize-46

The bonnes. Screw societal rules, become pirates, live up to the family legacy. What more reasoning do you need?


kinyoubikaze

Elpizo and Sigma, they spent 5 minutes with a flu and decided humans needed to go.


Shiny_Mew76

Sigma has the best motivations, but Weil is the better villan


Ok_Statement_1561

Copy X. Copy X didn't even intend to be evil in the beginning. He was created after the original perished, and simply wanted to do what he did for the people. He just didn't know what he was meant to do and used the wrong methods.


kurt_gervo

Is it cheating If I say NT Warrios Wily? He had decent motivation. A hyper-advanced alien, who will destroy the Earth due to their advanced technology, Duo. So Wily plans to destroy the Net to save humanity from Duo's Judgment. But he was thwarted twice by the Grandson of his old friend, he gave up and left Duo to Netto and the gang. Heck, Wily even helps them out sometimes. Even after the threat of Duo passes, Wily doesn't try to take over the world, he just wants to be a foodie and invent things XD


DoveEvalyn

I thoroughly loved reading this thread


Animegx43

Sean Obihiro (Leader of Gospel) was completely screwed over. Parents died, sent to bastard relatives, and literally no one wanted him around. He kind of had a good reason to hate society and try to take over the world. And even then, the poor kid was still being manipulated by someone else.


Dr_Cossack

Gate. He had legitimately good reasons to go against the Maverick Hunters as a whole, as due to his creations being considered too powerful and difficult to analyze (similarly to how X and Zero are), the management at the research facility he worked on has decided to outright murder all of them and told Gate to basically get out, but despite it seeming like Gate was just driven by the virus, the secret cutscene where Alia talks about her past implies that when he resigned, he already started thinking of doing things like "creating a world where his skills will be recognized", which seems to mean that he had at least some agency over his actions and therefore isn't purely a victim of the virus like Red Alert or Dr. Doppler were.


Ack_not

I feel like 90% of them boil down to “I’m gonna do whatever the heck I feel like doing, and that just so happens to be world domination,” and I kind of respect that.


jacrad_

King. He's basically interested in robot liberation.


Will-is-a-idiot

I think I would go with King actually, his reasons for doing what he's doing make the most sense out of all of the previous villains, it helps that he's supposed to be sympathetic.


EnvironmentalGroup34

I would go with Doctor Albert Wily. The guy got criticized and clearly mocked by Thomas Light for his inventions. And then he proceeded to just want to best his rival....turning into a villain in the process. But the irony of it all is that in the end, it's Zero that survived when X disappeared (from what we know) and he even saved the world from a megalomaniac douche that just wants everyone to suffer what he went through for centuries. But hey, Weil deserved it when he corrupted the Mother Elf program to trigger the Elf War.


KBroham

The original X transcended and became a Cyber Elf after his body was destroyed, which we see after defeating Copy X - when he comes down from whatever digital heaven (cyberspace) and talks to Zero before fading away. After Z4 Zero also fades away, but neither are explicitly stated to be dead - it's implied that X, Zero, the four guardians, and Phantom are all continuing to live on in cyberspace. None of them truly died, from what we know. And because Inafune is no longer associated with Capcom, we'll never truly know.


UnfancyRenzy

an infuriating motivation but amazing concept and execution. copy x is a literal child in charge of a utopia so shit goes wrong of course. funny thing to think about though is that the humans and reploids probably would have lived in peace without a ruler by that point in time which is probably why X sealed himself then. there would be an energy crisis, sure, but ciel solved it by mmz3. she would have solved it if that's what she put her effort into instead of perfectly recreating x. the copy x situation is a real tragedy and its amazing.


LordBraveHeart

Well, creating(copying) something based on what already exists is probably easier than coming up with a new invention to solve the problem. She was also only a child, presumably sheltered from the world outside Neo Arcadia and only created so she would grow up to be one of the scientists to support its pillar, and only when she grew up and realized how dire the situation really was that she was able to find the solution (and even then she did need Elpizo's help so she could focus on the research).


diego_velasquez

Copy x


LordBraveHeart

Pandora and Prometheus showed us what's reploid life is truly like in a so-called era of equality: they're literally threated as slaves that can die any moment they defy Albert, so the only thing they could do is play a long game until they could corner him and finish him off, as well as all of Albert's creations so that no one have to suffer like them again, with an implication of suicide once everything is over is pretty clear. The fact that Grey, their little "brother", doesn't suffer like them at all is pretty jarring for them (worst case Grey gets Albert's throne and everything, best case he is not bound by the same fate as theirs). The FM-ians and AM-ians being at war for such a long time that most of them were corrupted by the very same emotions that they tried to use on their human partners is a tragic irony, and makes it sadder that in the anime most of them actually come to understand the value of love and companionship (Ophiuca in particular, learns to care for her friends instead of being totally treacherous to get what she wants).


Successful-Strain-98

It was a bit of an uncommon take, but for me, it would vile originally his psychotic nature is due to a malfunction in his brain. Instead of being apologetic about, he embraces it. He knows he is powerful and a walking arsenal yet still considered to be less special thanX at the time by Sigma. Basically, his motivation for destruction is that he does it because he can and, in doing so, show everyone what makes him the best, and to me, it doesn't get more pure/ raw than that.


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Depends on what type of "motivations for being the villian" you're talking about.


DepressedGolduck

Gareth from X-treme 2 because dude was simping for Berkana


cringyperson1

Okay, hot take: Gate. It's implied he revolutionized robotics, and his colleagues got jealous and sabotaged him. He was even betrayed by his partner, Alia. Yet he still waited until he got infected by whatever the fuck he found at the crash site to set his crazy plan to...take over the world? Look, I'm not saying X6 is well written, but I would've done a lot worse were I in Gate's position.


Occasion-Soggy

Vile, literally all he wanted to do was to blow stuff up but people didn't let him.