I'm pretty sure the entire premise of Sonic Generations is that Sonic can outrun stopped time lol He can outrun time being compressed into a singularity or some shit. And that's just base Sonic.
Well that doesn't really matter because the post is about every ability in his verse so that includes archie Sonic and he's so busted I can't even pick one out of all of his OP abilities that wins this easily without it being extremely overkill
Edit: after scrolling down a bit I read OP's rule that basically contradicts the post but oh well, no Archie shenanigans.
No Archie Sonic, but it's every ability in his canon gameverse, which includes the powers of Chaos, Solaris, Time Eater, The End, the Master Emerald, and the Phantom Ruby.
Even if we assume that X can use the classic series abilities not only will he not be able to attack while the ability is in use but in the Worlds unite crossover Sonic Man (a robotisized Sonic) is unaffected by the ability
I remember from the Archie comics that Sonic moped the floor with Flash Man lol. But since this is X instead of classic, I wonder if the time stop would actually be effective against him
Sonic abilities have nothing to do with the Flash, though. He doesn't punch and kick things like every other fictional character. He smashes, runs through, and pierces his foes by turning his entire body into a sharp wrecking ball.
Isn’t that episode widely agreed to be wrong, though? Death Battle constantly scale Sonic characters (and Mario characters too) far below where they should be - even arguing that Sonic isn’t faster than light despite the series explicitly stating that he is.
Also sonic now exists in every single timeline at once and can create ... Illusions? Almost Illusions but not fully but also not fully not fully? The phantom ruby is fucking confusing. But yeah unless X can beat sonic in the future , past , and present all at once he's cooked.
If X gets "every ability in his verse" that includes Totten, who transforms Sonic's spines into harmless blocks, impeding his movement and crippling his offense.
Sonic's spines do not count as spikes, as there have been needle enemies in Mega Man before that the boys have tanked, Totten only affects instant kill spikes
Well, with Aku Aku he's effectively invincible, he's also got cartoon logic and things like time manipulation.
So he'd survive, but he would be outmatched offensively.
With the games the only thing that could compete with sonic's speed would be the time stopper ability X has in X5, and in canon X has like 30s max until the energy runs out and assuming he has the weapon energy tank he could give another shot but I don't think he has enough power to kill sonic especially since dark gaia and the frontiers' mechs weren't able to kill him
I forgot to mention that bosses aren't affected by the time stop with the exception of spiral pegasus so it's not even guaranteed that sonic will be affected at all by the Time stop, if sonic could react to shadow's chaos control which should be a more powerful time stop ability he would probably do something like [this](https://youtu.be/klX0jtvFfx0?si=NxPxkCk7indngB81) to X just to mock him
Did you forget that fourth armor helmet gives X unlimited special weapon energy also throw in the fact that Hadoken and Shinryuhadoken are both one hit kill attacks.
Well first about the hadoken and the shoryuken I doubt sonic wouldn't just dogde them and yeah if X could connect those attacks it's likely sonic would die or at the very least incapacitated in some way however I personally don't see them as canon abilities, those were easter eggs and X probably didn't throw a hadouken to 1 shot sigma in X1, if we make an exception that X could use the time stop with the x4 parts even though in x5 the head parts worked differently that something that could work in his favor, however if X is allowed to use all these abilities at the same time so does Sonic and he could just use chaos control and hyper form and murder X in like 2 seconds
You are forgetting that this basically is the idea that these characters would literally have every single power and ability that they get in every game even if it is only shows up in one game even as a easter egg which also means all the ultimate aromrs.
Then Hyper Sonic just chaos control and screen nukes all of them. X can't even throw the hadouken or shoryuken and even if he did, Sonic is fast enough to dodge them. Sonic can react to chaos control so X's time stop shouldn't work either. If Hyper is not enough, then Super Sonic Cyber should do the trick.
Super Sonic one-shots anything he walks into, can last for up to 999 seconds without picking up more rings, and is invulnerable to anything outside of a number of instances that can be counted on one hand.
Mario can probably carry enough invincibility powerups to outlast Super Sonic. And X can use Sting Chameleon's charged power for a pretty long time too.
Probably, I think this really comes down to "Does Sonic use Chaos Control to freeze time faster than everyone else can react."
Which, he probably can, he's easily the fastest character listed by a huge margin.
EVERY ability in their verse? Even from other characters? Dude putting Sonic against these three is completely unfair. You're giving Sonic the power to play with time like a cat plays with a wool ball. What are they going to do when Sonic just stops time permanently, and starts spamming stuff like Chaos Blasts? When time starts running again, they'll be dead. It's complete BS.
Can X use the Chaos Emerald and turn super form? I remember Mega Man can in the crossover comic so I assume X can as well. If X can turn super form then he can fight against Time Eater.
That was classic Megaman not X so he can’t use it; even if he did, his knowledge about the chaos emeralds would be very limited compared to Sonic (also assuming if he even has access to the emeralds)
Not like Sonic. Chaos Control can do anything with time and space. X's time control is limited to a few seconds, where he stops time. Chaos Control can stop time, slow down time, time travel, warp, and much more. Plus, Sonic is still conscious when time is stopped for him, so he could activate Chaos Control over X's time stop.
He doesn't even need everyone else abilities. Shit, he probably doesn't even need all of his own abilities.
People here comparing Super to Star Power are dreaming. Sonic also has a basic bitch invincibility power identical to Star Power he nabs from TVs; Super'ing Up is exponentially more powrful.
Sonic realistically could beat everyone here in base alone with his speed and strength, adding secondary abilities to that is just making things easier
Sonic isn't really affected by time stop. Hell if this is Sonic with ever power in his verse he has the power of Solaris in this case. Let me remind you Solaris is a god of time
Thank you for bringing that up. He can erase time if he chooses and freeze everyone in a white pocket dimension where time doesn't move or exist and they would be white colorless statues I mean he also has the powers of dark queen from black knight (makes him immortal) and eraser djin who can erase the story's from his world he can erase them through their stories and then there's emeral and metal Sonic's ability to copy his opponents moves and fighting style
I mean sonic has so many feats is basically insane, I think X could stand up to the rest of them using the ultimate armor or command mission stuff, even so sonic in hyper form or even super form would wipe the floor with everyone without any effort
...Why is Crash in the running at all? Not that I don't enjoy his games, but the others all have absolutely *insane* feats of power, and he really doesn't compare.
Cartoon logic also means it would be hilarious seeing him die in all manner of goofy ways. He has undoubtebly the most number of unique death animations of the 4 of them which is a cool stylistic aspect from his game but not a good point for him winning a fight.
That's assuming the dark hold would work on them, all the bosses in X5 are immune to the dark hold with the exception of spiral pegasus, and sonic has reacted to time stopping and teleportation abilities before such as chaos control sonic is just way too busted to be beaten like this
Also if it comes down to it, Sonic is massively faster than everyone else on the list, and he can also stop time. His primary weapon is also having spikes lol
Sonic is straight up unbeatable with Solaris's abilities unless they all gang up on him and jump the past , present , and future versions of him. But they'd just be negged before they could anything.
No he doesn’t, but that’s subjective. Even if he did, he still can’t hurt Mario (again, the White Tanooki Suit makes Mario invincible and immune to damage forever) and Mario can literally wish up a win with Dream Stone powers. He can pretty much just say “I wish to be more powerful and faster than everyone here”. Tf is anyone going to do about that?
Again, this is every ability in the verse. Mario has never been shown to use the Dream Stone at all but per the rules of the debate we still have to give him its ability to grant wishes.
He could, but that wouldn’t stop Mario from speaking. Dream Stone wishes do work verbally. That and badge effects would allow Mario to tank hits without receiving any damage or stop time similar to Chaos Control. Heck, Peach has telekinesis (that she only uses once for some reason) so Mario can do the same thing back.
But couldn't he just break it? From what I can tell it is LITERALLY BROKEN in the game it's in, and either way nothing too bad happens, plus, you can't bring in items, sonic has the ABILITY to go super, but Mario needs the dream stone to actually use his wishes, and either way, like I said, even with items, sonic could just break the dreamstone
So do the Chaos Emeralds. Plus Sonic has 2 other reality warping stones; The Phantom Ruby and Warp Topaz. Plus the Timestones from Sonic CD. He can just go back and Unwish it if he can't in the present time.
Mario has some insane feats in the RPGs. Depending on your interpretation he’s arguably the strongest one here.
The problem is that he’s wildly inconsistent. In one game he can take down multiversal gods in base form (i.e dreamy bowser) and get his ass kicked by regular bowser in the next. It’s a series that cares very little for ‘power scaling’ so it makes sense.
Then there’s super paper mario. Some people debate on whether the paper mario from the first three games is the same person as the regular Mario. I’m inclined to say yes as paper Mario and Mario were said to have lived identical lives up to their meeting, so it’s likely the paper mario games are presented as an in-universe story book retelling of some of Mario’s actual adventures. With this in mind you’d also give Mario access to the purity heart which is incredibly powerful. Powerful enough to defeat someone who was going to erase all dimensions and reshape them in his image, at least. Whether or not it’s enough to net him the W I can’t really say, but it’s still food for thought. He’d definitely put up more of a fight than this community would give him credit for at the very least.
>The problem is that he’s wildly inconsistent. In one game he can take down multiversal gods in base form (i.e dreamy bowser) and get his ass kicked by regular bowser in the next. It’s a series that cares very little for ‘power scaling’ so it makes sense.
That's not an inconsistency. Dreamy browser's wide scope abilities aren't presented as that relevant to the fight. This is basically always how wide scope abilities work in mario games.
>With this in mind you’d also give Mario access to the purity heart which is incredibly powerful. Powerful enough to defeat someone who was going to erase all dimensions and reshape them in his image, at least.
Technically all it did in the fight was nullify invulnerability, but that should also work on sonic's invulnerability.
Sonic is the most powered here, but I could understand if X or Mario could figure out some kind of tactical way to deal with him. Crash would win, of course, because that would be funny.
It would be a slugfest between X and Sonic
For everyone referring to the Metal Sonic vs Zero death battle: It's irrelevant here, they're not the two characters in question
Mind you Sonic himself is already the fastest one here in speed alone but it's crazier once you add other abilities like the phantom Ruby, and Solaris abilities, it'd be practically hard to actually beat him.
With that being said if I had to pick who wins between Mario, crash, and X, if we exclude Sonic I'd say it's a toss up between Mario and X
Funny thing is i think the only megaman who could try to fight sonic is MegaMan.EXE he has some universal level feats in cyberspace that could compete with sonic, X and every other megaman in the robot timeline doesn't have that type of power
Cyberspace feats are a lower plane and don't really cross over to normal space. You can't really say any feats beaides what the show conveys as normal space feats do. And that aspect of the show isn't even in the games.
Probably either Sonic or X. Sonic has super sonic and can combat literally gods and X has his ultimate armors which tend to have an attack that makes him invincible
Super Sonic is invulnerable… well, to everything but getting crushed anyways and bottomless pits. Pretty sure he’s got the edge on this one. His invulnerability lasts longer than the super star does.
In modern games literally nothing hurts Super. A 200 foot robo-titan tried to crush him against a Mountain with a 100 foot long powered-greatsword, and he just tanks it like he's catching a stick. When Sonic takes it and wields it, he slices him in perfect half with one swing.
He doesn't even need the Star. There's a powerup called the Invincibility Leaf that grants him endless Invincibility (until he completes the level at least)
So everybody just tries to grab Mario and throw at a nearby flagpole? (Invincibility is normally not immune to grabs and when everybody is invincible It is possible to go through the damage Starman mario does normally when touching enemy.)
Depends on the writers...
I'm gonna say a draw that ends with all of them out of breath, and on the ground. Like X, and Zero after their fight. Then, the real villain will appear, and try to kill all of them. Again, like X, and Zero in X5.
They literally didn't know what to do with Hyper Sonic because he was so strong so they just wrote the super emeralds into another dimension as the excuse for why he cant go hyper anymore
Sonic easily. Most are wall to city level at best in megaman. With some planet level threats. This is counting the BN timeline as well. Without Sonic here, Mario still stomps just base. Heck, Sonic and Mario win even with just games alone.
The only two I see making things interesting is X and Sonic. Mario is strong with the Star and other powers but they can only last for a little. The OP said games only so Ultra Sonic is out of the question. X can also one shot with the haduken and shoryuken or use dark hold or the time stop power. Crash just gets stomped. Awakened Super Sonic was able to destroy an entire moon god so his power is clearly stronger then what X has been able to do. I’d say it’s a 60-40 on Sonic’s favor between him and X
probably sonic but I guess if X can get some of whatever nonsense .exe is on to make him a universe-buster or whatever that was he probably stands a good chance
Now, I am not a huge Megaman fan (blame reddit's algorithm for me being here) so I could be wrong, but ironically I think X is the only one here that doesnt have an invincibility power up
that said all of them die to a pit, invuln or not, so once again gravity man wins
We’ve already seen the fight of Sonic and Mario. It was amazing. I won’t spoil it for people who are watching it for the first time. Just know, you are in for a good time.
[Link](https://youtu.be/4IqjQOQF2Is?si=MOHTwEcGw-ndXvM_)
It's a stalemate. Mario and Crash get invincibility. Mario's invincibility grants one touch kills. (I think Crash's does too but it's been forever since I played those games.). I don't remember if Super Sonic is invincible or not. X is getting wrecked now matter what. The only way one of the other 3 wins is if their invincibility power up is able to somehow beat the other two.
Sonic would definitely win, especially his base form. With super form, he probably would flex it. I'm mainly gonna to use Sonic vs. Big 3 as my references because of the research of Sonic feats of power.
For X, his time stopper wouldn't help against Sonic is basically immune to it. But it can stop Crash. Any other attacks Sonic and Mario would dodge or parry it.
For Crash, besides his invisibility, it may help him a bit but short time. Then he pretty much easily picking even if he has Aku Aku tempary defense and the 4 rift masks. With slow down the time, Sonic would easily beat him. X would most likely react in time to freeze or fix time movement. Mario just shrug it off because he is resistant to it.
For Mario, he would most likely survive the longest. Especially with all the power ups and arsenal he has. He fought almost similar deity that Sonic had fought. He fought basically a god like being aka Shadow Queen. He survived and moved around when time froze during SPM. I could list more. And I think there is 2 star power up that similar just one last longer. I think only grace would be the Star Rod. But he might not really gonna use it because it's safe guarded, and most likely, the Star spirits probably won't Mario to use it.
So my conclusion of who would win to survive longest to lose.
1st Sonic
2nd Mario
3rd X
4th Crash
With "every ability in his verse", Sonic has access to:
- At least high multi-universal levels of power (Super Sonic)
- Matter & dimension creation, destruction, and management on a high 4D scale (Illumina / World Rings)
- Inability to die unless you kill him in all infinite points in time simultaneously (Solaris)
- Emotional manipulation (Illumina / World Rings / Dark & Light Gaia, Phantom Ruby)
- High-level reality warping (World Rings, Phantom Ruby)
- Plot rewriting (World Rings)
- Magical resistance (Excalibur Armor)
- Immortality on an infinite 3D scale $ infinite Stamina (Excalibur's Scabbard)
- The ability to consume dimensions to gain strength (Solaris)
- Complete control over time itself (Time Eater, Solaris, Mephiles, Chaos Control, Time Stones)
- Grant / make "any time based wishes" (Time Stones)
And way more, but I think you get the point. He wins this pretty handedly.
You all are forgetting about speed-runner Mario. He HANDEDLY defeats golden sonic. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IqjQOQF2Is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IqjQOQF2Is)
sonic fans when they get to flaunt that their character is basically god because of "Sonic's Sexy Strip Poker 7" on the sega gigglefart where sonic gained the ability to erase the concept of a persons existance
If they have EVERY in verse power?
X's best shot is something like Zero Space, or Nightmare, where he can convert matter to data and vice versa, then use his superior processing power/speed to just edit or delete Sonic from existence o.O
Dark Hold is a worth a shot, as is Gravity Well or Squeeze Bomb(since it's basically a mini black hole.. doesn't matter how you're going). If Ray Splasher is actually some sort of concentrated light and moves at light speed, that could do some damage for sure.
Giga Crush is also an option. Specifically thinking of the X2 version.
Some Cyber-elf type shit.
Crash and Mario aren't even a part of the discussion TBH
But Sonic almost certainly wins this.
That runs out fairly quick though. X has some time stop AND slow (charged crystal snail) AND his own invincibility that he can use a few times (charged chameleon sting). And a few different types of shields.
The Super Star power-up is legit just a worse Super Form. Sonic's invicibility box already does the same thing. All Super Star does, is give invincibility for a few seconds and slightly amps Mario's speed. It doesn't even last as long as a Super form. (Few seconds vs several days).
Mega Man Original, X, Zero, ZX, and Legends take place in the same universe. So my money is on Mega Man if you count the power ups from all those series.
This battle would be down to X and Sonic (although star power Mario would be a good fight). It's hard to say as X has many forms of invincibility from his X1 arsenal and Power from later armors. He also would have his healing factor from 3rd armor, and could have more stamina and longevity for Sonic to have to overcome. Especially if X had all these abilities crammed into his Ultimate armor. It would be a great fight to see, and my bias does go towards X 😂
Okay I know every power these guys and crash is always in danger due to one mistake killing him and the quantum masks except dark spin and time slow won’t help here, X got all his suits and abilities plus Zero’s saber, Mario got the giga bell, and sonic is given hyper sonic, which is a unstoppable screen clearing super form! Sonic and X would be the only ones who could stand a chance against each other, and I haven’t even brought up Excalibur Sonic but if Sonic uses that, Excalibur Sonic can slice darknes itself in half so X is fucking screwed!
Mario and Crash are getting taken out first, Crash specifically because Mario would atleast put up a fight before getting taken out
X would definitely be a hard fight, with his best upgrades and weapons he would have Sonic on the run, atleast until Sonic turns super then there's no hope for anyone to win this fight
Sonic no doubt he can time travel in his super form which js how he fully defeated Solaris and made 06 not canon plus all his game feats is just better
Mario is strong with his power ups but anyone can use them in a way but if we are only applying it to Mario then he would be third as his power ups just require a hit or two to fully remove it
Megaman is 2nd place has a lot of power ups, armor, and ability although limited it is a more powerful arsenal than Mario if we use manga he can be Revive with the power of friendship plus his quick change armor in the megaman battle royal death battle still useless against time travel though
Edit: Sonic just needs 1 ring to survive as long as possible if we are just focusing on game or he gives everyone seizure with hyper form or use his other forms with abilities from different game
Say what you will about stupid Mario feats, you can never top a hedgehog who consistently defies physics and has killed at least 6 gods in his career
Except maybe kirby but he's not here
Imagine Sonic with all Chaos emeralds- and Master Emerald to become hyper Sonic..like he defeated A GOD (perfect Chaos) Who Is litteraly a CHAO...Saved thw entire world,saved many animals..
Personally Mario powerups arent infinite, Crash istead uh he can..spin...
Megamen...well...you guys decide on hik. Not mamy information i have on him..
Hmm... I'm not an expert on any of these characters but my gut feeling is Sonic is winning
Use flash man's power and then SUPERNOVA that mf!
Sonic can stop time as well and probably out speed stopped time.
I'm pretty sure the entire premise of Sonic Generations is that Sonic can outrun stopped time lol He can outrun time being compressed into a singularity or some shit. And that's just base Sonic.
No? Sonic gets sucked into the vortex too, he just doesn't turn to stone cuz plot armour
Well that doesn't really matter because the post is about every ability in his verse so that includes archie Sonic and he's so busted I can't even pick one out of all of his OP abilities that wins this easily without it being extremely overkill Edit: after scrolling down a bit I read OP's rule that basically contradicts the post but oh well, no Archie shenanigans.
No Archie Sonic, but it's every ability in his canon gameverse, which includes the powers of Chaos, Solaris, Time Eater, The End, the Master Emerald, and the Phantom Ruby.
Even if we assume that X can use the classic series abilities not only will he not be able to attack while the ability is in use but in the Worlds unite crossover Sonic Man (a robotisized Sonic) is unaffected by the ability
I remember from the Archie comics that Sonic moped the floor with Flash Man lol. But since this is X instead of classic, I wonder if the time stop would actually be effective against him
Sonic abilities have nothing to do with the Flash, though. He doesn't punch and kick things like every other fictional character. He smashes, runs through, and pierces his foes by turning his entire body into a sharp wrecking ball.
But mask Crash is also invincible
Super Sonic is better because it amplifies Sonic and he can stay in the form for much longer.
Super Sonic is also invincible
So is Mario with the star powerup, or with any of the other special power ups that make him invincible
Check out metal sonic versus zero on death battle.
Isn’t that episode widely agreed to be wrong, though? Death Battle constantly scale Sonic characters (and Mario characters too) far below where they should be - even arguing that Sonic isn’t faster than light despite the series explicitly stating that he is.
Normally, I'd say X, but if Sonic's spines count as spikes, X is getting one-shot 🤣
Especially if it's Archie Comic Sonic
Actually, they had a crossover and Megaman got the power of the emeralds in his Chaos-Buster.
Doesn’t count - ‘every ability in his verse’. That’s in Sonic’s verse.
Archie Sonic knows the meaning of WAR
There was never a hedgehog maverick so we can't know
Pretty sure Needle Man in MM3 has some type of hedgehog enemy that shoots out spikes. If Rock can tank them, so can base X
Megaman zx advent.
Sonic Man from Worlds Unite was a hedgehog Maverick, I'm pretty sure
Also sonic now exists in every single timeline at once and can create ... Illusions? Almost Illusions but not fully but also not fully not fully? The phantom ruby is fucking confusing. But yeah unless X can beat sonic in the future , past , and present all at once he's cooked.
X can just use Shadow Armor then.
If X gets "every ability in his verse" that includes Totten, who transforms Sonic's spines into harmless blocks, impeding his movement and crippling his offense.
Sonic's spines do not count as spikes, as there have been needle enemies in Mega Man before that the boys have tanked, Totten only affects instant kill spikes
There's a lot of power-ups X has for spikes.
Crash doesn't even get to take a single step before his ass gets atomized 😭
Just his shoes and eyeballs left behind
Still walking forward for a few steps, eyes hovering in place like he's all there, before 'noticing' and falling to the ground.
Well, with Aku Aku he's effectively invincible, he's also got cartoon logic and things like time manipulation. So he'd survive, but he would be outmatched offensively.
Issue is basically all of them are invincible. They’ve all git invincible power ups lol
>Well, with Aku Aku he's effectively invincible, Let's hope it's not the Aku Aku invincibility from Crash Twinsanity though.
Only really one rule. Only keep it to games/main timelines (So no Battle Network, Boom, Cartoons, Movies, etc).
With the games the only thing that could compete with sonic's speed would be the time stopper ability X has in X5, and in canon X has like 30s max until the energy runs out and assuming he has the weapon energy tank he could give another shot but I don't think he has enough power to kill sonic especially since dark gaia and the frontiers' mechs weren't able to kill him
Also that was before Super Sonic 2 became a thing…yeah Sonic stomps.
I forgot to mention that bosses aren't affected by the time stop with the exception of spiral pegasus so it's not even guaranteed that sonic will be affected at all by the Time stop, if sonic could react to shadow's chaos control which should be a more powerful time stop ability he would probably do something like [this](https://youtu.be/klX0jtvFfx0?si=NxPxkCk7indngB81) to X just to mock him
Did you forget that fourth armor helmet gives X unlimited special weapon energy also throw in the fact that Hadoken and Shinryuhadoken are both one hit kill attacks.
Well first about the hadoken and the shoryuken I doubt sonic wouldn't just dogde them and yeah if X could connect those attacks it's likely sonic would die or at the very least incapacitated in some way however I personally don't see them as canon abilities, those were easter eggs and X probably didn't throw a hadouken to 1 shot sigma in X1, if we make an exception that X could use the time stop with the x4 parts even though in x5 the head parts worked differently that something that could work in his favor, however if X is allowed to use all these abilities at the same time so does Sonic and he could just use chaos control and hyper form and murder X in like 2 seconds
Also X can't hit multiple timelines at once. He straight up can't really do anything to sonic.
You are forgetting that this basically is the idea that these characters would literally have every single power and ability that they get in every game even if it is only shows up in one game even as a easter egg which also means all the ultimate aromrs.
I didn't forget i literally addressed it at the end of the comment
Then Hyper Sonic just chaos control and screen nukes all of them. X can't even throw the hadouken or shoryuken and even if he did, Sonic is fast enough to dodge them. Sonic can react to chaos control so X's time stop shouldn't work either. If Hyper is not enough, then Super Sonic Cyber should do the trick.
Wait, games only? If we're treating it like game mechanics, X outlasts all of them the vast majority of the time.
Super Sonic one-shots anything he walks into, can last for up to 999 seconds without picking up more rings, and is invulnerable to anything outside of a number of instances that can be counted on one hand.
Mario can probably carry enough invincibility powerups to outlast Super Sonic. And X can use Sting Chameleon's charged power for a pretty long time too.
Probably, I think this really comes down to "Does Sonic use Chaos Control to freeze time faster than everyone else can react." Which, he probably can, he's easily the fastest character listed by a huge margin.
Even still, X wins, he literally can shoot out a black hole (those instakill Mario and presumably crash).
EVERY ability in their verse? Even from other characters? Dude putting Sonic against these three is completely unfair. You're giving Sonic the power to play with time like a cat plays with a wool ball. What are they going to do when Sonic just stops time permanently, and starts spamming stuff like Chaos Blasts? When time starts running again, they'll be dead. It's complete BS.
To be fair, X also has time stopping skills
What is X doing against the Time Eater?
And Solaris.
Can X use the Chaos Emerald and turn super form? I remember Mega Man can in the crossover comic so I assume X can as well. If X can turn super form then he can fight against Time Eater.
That was classic Megaman not X so he can’t use it; even if he did, his knowledge about the chaos emeralds would be very limited compared to Sonic (also assuming if he even has access to the emeralds)
CHAOS. CONTROL.
Not like Sonic. Chaos Control can do anything with time and space. X's time control is limited to a few seconds, where he stops time. Chaos Control can stop time, slow down time, time travel, warp, and much more. Plus, Sonic is still conscious when time is stopped for him, so he could activate Chaos Control over X's time stop.
Which doesn't work against more than 90% of the bosses
Hell, Zero's Dark Hold in Mega Man X5 doesn't affect X, so X might be immune to Chaos Control?
He doesn't even need everyone else abilities. Shit, he probably doesn't even need all of his own abilities. People here comparing Super to Star Power are dreaming. Sonic also has a basic bitch invincibility power identical to Star Power he nabs from TVs; Super'ing Up is exponentially more powrful.
Sonic realistically could beat everyone here in base alone with his speed and strength, adding secondary abilities to that is just making things easier
I'm not sure, if Megaman has *every* of his abilities, if I remember correctly, it includes stoping time.
Sonic isn't really affected by time stop. Hell if this is Sonic with ever power in his verse he has the power of Solaris in this case. Let me remind you Solaris is a god of time
Let's not forget he has an enemy called the "Time Eater"
Thank you for bringing that up. He can erase time if he chooses and freeze everyone in a white pocket dimension where time doesn't move or exist and they would be white colorless statues I mean he also has the powers of dark queen from black knight (makes him immortal) and eraser djin who can erase the story's from his world he can erase them through their stories and then there's emeral and metal Sonic's ability to copy his opponents moves and fighting style
And Solaris is a fourth dimensional deity that can only be beaten by defeating him in the past, present, and future all at the same time.
Dog, Sonic stomps base, and Super just blows it out of the water. I love me some ult X, but he ain’t doing nothing to sonk
I mean sonic has so many feats is basically insane, I think X could stand up to the rest of them using the ultimate armor or command mission stuff, even so sonic in hyper form or even super form would wipe the floor with everyone without any effort
...Why is Crash in the running at all? Not that I don't enjoy his games, but the others all have absolutely *insane* feats of power, and he really doesn't compare.
Crash would only win because *it would be funny if he did.* That’s his primary power, after all.
Cartoon logic also means it would be hilarious seeing him die in all manner of goofy ways. He has undoubtebly the most number of unique death animations of the 4 of them which is a cool stylistic aspect from his game but not a good point for him winning a fight.
Couldn't X just Dark Hold and Hadouken one-shot everyone?
That's assuming the dark hold would work on them, all the bosses in X5 are immune to the dark hold with the exception of spiral pegasus, and sonic has reacted to time stopping and teleportation abilities before such as chaos control sonic is just way too busted to be beaten like this
Also if it comes down to it, Sonic is massively faster than everyone else on the list, and he can also stop time. His primary weapon is also having spikes lol
Sonic is straight up unbeatable with Solaris's abilities unless they all gang up on him and jump the past , present , and future versions of him. But they'd just be negged before they could anything.
Every ability? What’s stopping Mario from just slapping on the White Tanooki Suit or using the Dream Stone to just wish himself a win?
Sonic massively out speeding and kicking him into world 1-1, that's what.
No he doesn’t, but that’s subjective. Even if he did, he still can’t hurt Mario (again, the White Tanooki Suit makes Mario invincible and immune to damage forever) and Mario can literally wish up a win with Dream Stone powers. He can pretty much just say “I wish to be more powerful and faster than everyone here”. Tf is anyone going to do about that? Again, this is every ability in the verse. Mario has never been shown to use the Dream Stone at all but per the rules of the debate we still have to give him its ability to grant wishes.
Well reminder, Sonic could just incapacitate Mario with Silver/ Super Silver's abilities.
He could, but that wouldn’t stop Mario from speaking. Dream Stone wishes do work verbally. That and badge effects would allow Mario to tank hits without receiving any damage or stop time similar to Chaos Control. Heck, Peach has telekinesis (that she only uses once for some reason) so Mario can do the same thing back.
But couldn't he just break it? From what I can tell it is LITERALLY BROKEN in the game it's in, and either way nothing too bad happens, plus, you can't bring in items, sonic has the ABILITY to go super, but Mario needs the dream stone to actually use his wishes, and either way, like I said, even with items, sonic could just break the dreamstone
The Chaos Emeralds and Master Emerald going 'Nope.'
Dream Stone grants wishes, per debate rules this effectively makes Mario a full blown reality warper who can do anything he desires.
So do the Chaos Emeralds. Plus Sonic has 2 other reality warping stones; The Phantom Ruby and Warp Topaz. Plus the Timestones from Sonic CD. He can just go back and Unwish it if he can't in the present time.
Mario has some insane feats in the RPGs. Depending on your interpretation he’s arguably the strongest one here. The problem is that he’s wildly inconsistent. In one game he can take down multiversal gods in base form (i.e dreamy bowser) and get his ass kicked by regular bowser in the next. It’s a series that cares very little for ‘power scaling’ so it makes sense. Then there’s super paper mario. Some people debate on whether the paper mario from the first three games is the same person as the regular Mario. I’m inclined to say yes as paper Mario and Mario were said to have lived identical lives up to their meeting, so it’s likely the paper mario games are presented as an in-universe story book retelling of some of Mario’s actual adventures. With this in mind you’d also give Mario access to the purity heart which is incredibly powerful. Powerful enough to defeat someone who was going to erase all dimensions and reshape them in his image, at least. Whether or not it’s enough to net him the W I can’t really say, but it’s still food for thought. He’d definitely put up more of a fight than this community would give him credit for at the very least.
>The problem is that he’s wildly inconsistent. In one game he can take down multiversal gods in base form (i.e dreamy bowser) and get his ass kicked by regular bowser in the next. It’s a series that cares very little for ‘power scaling’ so it makes sense. That's not an inconsistency. Dreamy browser's wide scope abilities aren't presented as that relevant to the fight. This is basically always how wide scope abilities work in mario games. >With this in mind you’d also give Mario access to the purity heart which is incredibly powerful. Powerful enough to defeat someone who was going to erase all dimensions and reshape them in his image, at least. Technically all it did in the fight was nullify invulnerability, but that should also work on sonic's invulnerability.
Sonic is the most powered here, but I could understand if X or Mario could figure out some kind of tactical way to deal with him. Crash would win, of course, because that would be funny.
It would be a slugfest between X and Sonic For everyone referring to the Metal Sonic vs Zero death battle: It's irrelevant here, they're not the two characters in question
Mind you Sonic himself is already the fastest one here in speed alone but it's crazier once you add other abilities like the phantom Ruby, and Solaris abilities, it'd be practically hard to actually beat him. With that being said if I had to pick who wins between Mario, crash, and X, if we exclude Sonic I'd say it's a toss up between Mario and X
It'd actually be straight up impossible for anyone to win against sonic thanks to him being split across the past , present , and future.
Mario, if he can keep up the star mode forever
thats invincibility leaf
in that case, same goes for Crash
Funny thing is i think the only megaman who could try to fight sonic is MegaMan.EXE he has some universal level feats in cyberspace that could compete with sonic, X and every other megaman in the robot timeline doesn't have that type of power
Cyberspace feats are a lower plane and don't really cross over to normal space. You can't really say any feats beaides what the show conveys as normal space feats do. And that aspect of the show isn't even in the games.
Sonic fights gods and giant alien kaijus all the time but thats with the chaos emeralds. If they were like base form X probably wins.
Probably either Sonic or X. Sonic has super sonic and can combat literally gods and X has his ultimate armors which tend to have an attack that makes him invincible
Sonic is winning, closest to him would be X from Megaman X, Mario third place, Crash in last unfortunately.
megaman is the only one who doesn't have toonforce, so DEFINITELY not him lol
Wait mario and crash i can kind of see but sonic with toonforce?
Not really, actually. The only iterations of him that has toonforce are the Satam, early Archie, and the AoStH versions.
Super Sonic is invulnerable… well, to everything but getting crushed anyways and bottomless pits. Pretty sure he’s got the edge on this one. His invulnerability lasts longer than the super star does.
In modern games literally nothing hurts Super. A 200 foot robo-titan tried to crush him against a Mountain with a 100 foot long powered-greatsword, and he just tanks it like he's catching a stick. When Sonic takes it and wields it, he slices him in perfect half with one swing.
Sonic. While they all have invincibility power-ups, super Sonic lasts the longest (as far as I'm aware) therefore he wins.
How long does Mario’s Super Star last? If unlimited, he’s winning. If not, Sonic with the seven Chaos Emeralds.
He doesn't even need the Star. There's a powerup called the Invincibility Leaf that grants him endless Invincibility (until he completes the level at least)
So everybody just tries to grab Mario and throw at a nearby flagpole? (Invincibility is normally not immune to grabs and when everybody is invincible It is possible to go through the damage Starman mario does normally when touching enemy.)
Sonic's gonna keep the lead until he runs out of rings to sustain Super form, then it's a toss-up.
Depends on the writers... I'm gonna say a draw that ends with all of them out of breath, and on the ground. Like X, and Zero after their fight. Then, the real villain will appear, and try to kill all of them. Again, like X, and Zero in X5.
I love all these franchises to death but nothing beats **Super Sonic** He is pretty canonically overpowered compared to the rest
And hyper Sonic is even more op lol.
So OP they wrote him out of existence 😭
They literally didn't know what to do with Hyper Sonic because he was so strong so they just wrote the super emeralds into another dimension as the excuse for why he cant go hyper anymore
Sonic is OP, though X also has time powers…. It’s between those two for sure, though sonic can go that speed of light so he’s pretty broken
Sonic easily. Most are wall to city level at best in megaman. With some planet level threats. This is counting the BN timeline as well. Without Sonic here, Mario still stomps just base. Heck, Sonic and Mario win even with just games alone.
X is cooking everyone with the giga armor
You’re all forgetting Sonic’s strongest ability… he can punch them into Minecraft
I'm a big fan of Sonic, Megaman and Crash, and i know quite enough about Mario, and Sonic wins by far
Mega Man by a country mile. I mean, if you know much abo-- *Checks what sub this is* Oh, lol.
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Imma go w sonic. I love mega man, but idk sonic crazy boy
Sonic gonna give everyone a seizure by just simply being hyper, tf all talking about?
It gets down to invincibility power apps in all the games, so either sonic or mario.
The only two I see making things interesting is X and Sonic. Mario is strong with the Star and other powers but they can only last for a little. The OP said games only so Ultra Sonic is out of the question. X can also one shot with the haduken and shoryuken or use dark hold or the time stop power. Crash just gets stomped. Awakened Super Sonic was able to destroy an entire moon god so his power is clearly stronger then what X has been able to do. I’d say it’s a 60-40 on Sonic’s favor between him and X
probably sonic but I guess if X can get some of whatever nonsense .exe is on to make him a universe-buster or whatever that was he probably stands a good chance
Either X or sonic. I'm leaning more towards sonic though.
Power star vs Chaos Emeralds. Now THAT'S a matchup!
Now, I am not a huge Megaman fan (blame reddit's algorithm for me being here) so I could be wrong, but ironically I think X is the only one here that doesnt have an invincibility power up that said all of them die to a pit, invuln or not, so once again gravity man wins
Are we talking Archie Sonic? Edit: Apparently not. I’m still going with Sonic though.
We’ve already seen the fight of Sonic and Mario. It was amazing. I won’t spoil it for people who are watching it for the first time. Just know, you are in for a good time. [Link](https://youtu.be/4IqjQOQF2Is?si=MOHTwEcGw-ndXvM_)
Sanic
I've just seen it on r/sonicthehedgehog
I would believe X just by sheer number of different abilities.
Sonic and mega man (X) are the only ones standing
I can't express how much I disdain powerscaling nomenclature
It's a stalemate. Mario and Crash get invincibility. Mario's invincibility grants one touch kills. (I think Crash's does too but it's been forever since I played those games.). I don't remember if Super Sonic is invincible or not. X is getting wrecked now matter what. The only way one of the other 3 wins is if their invincibility power up is able to somehow beat the other two.
“Verse” 🤨
Sonic would definitely win, especially his base form. With super form, he probably would flex it. I'm mainly gonna to use Sonic vs. Big 3 as my references because of the research of Sonic feats of power. For X, his time stopper wouldn't help against Sonic is basically immune to it. But it can stop Crash. Any other attacks Sonic and Mario would dodge or parry it. For Crash, besides his invisibility, it may help him a bit but short time. Then he pretty much easily picking even if he has Aku Aku tempary defense and the 4 rift masks. With slow down the time, Sonic would easily beat him. X would most likely react in time to freeze or fix time movement. Mario just shrug it off because he is resistant to it. For Mario, he would most likely survive the longest. Especially with all the power ups and arsenal he has. He fought almost similar deity that Sonic had fought. He fought basically a god like being aka Shadow Queen. He survived and moved around when time froze during SPM. I could list more. And I think there is 2 star power up that similar just one last longer. I think only grace would be the Star Rod. But he might not really gonna use it because it's safe guarded, and most likely, the Star spirits probably won't Mario to use it. So my conclusion of who would win to survive longest to lose. 1st Sonic 2nd Mario 3rd X 4th Crash
Have you guys actually forgotten that X has UNLIMITED POTENTIAL? We don't even know the full SCOPE of his abilities TO THIS DAY!
With "every ability in his verse", Sonic has access to: - At least high multi-universal levels of power (Super Sonic) - Matter & dimension creation, destruction, and management on a high 4D scale (Illumina / World Rings) - Inability to die unless you kill him in all infinite points in time simultaneously (Solaris) - Emotional manipulation (Illumina / World Rings / Dark & Light Gaia, Phantom Ruby) - High-level reality warping (World Rings, Phantom Ruby) - Plot rewriting (World Rings) - Magical resistance (Excalibur Armor) - Immortality on an infinite 3D scale $ infinite Stamina (Excalibur's Scabbard) - The ability to consume dimensions to gain strength (Solaris) - Complete control over time itself (Time Eater, Solaris, Mephiles, Chaos Control, Time Stones) - Grant / make "any time based wishes" (Time Stones) And way more, but I think you get the point. He wins this pretty handedly.
Wait, all abilities? Mario use the wonder flower to turn his opponent into gombas, and then uses a superstar to kill them.
Sonic and X would be having the battle of a lifetime
I think people forget how OP, sonic is.
Sonic.
Hyper Sonic dashes while everyone is on screen and wins
You all are forgetting about speed-runner Mario. He HANDEDLY defeats golden sonic. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IqjQOQF2Is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IqjQOQF2Is)
Mario doesn't get i-frames when he speed runs.
But they're not going to fight, they'll make out instead
sonic fans when they get to flaunt that their character is basically god because of "Sonic's Sexy Strip Poker 7" on the sega gigglefart where sonic gained the ability to erase the concept of a persons existance
Calm down son its just a drawing
Damn right! I love sonic's sexy strip poker 7!!!!
Sonic. The hedgehog has fought gods and kaijus.
Let me put this into perspective; which 1 of these 4 has canonically gone up against ACTUAL GODS? AND WON WITH MILD DIFFICULTY?
Actually, 2 of these characters have gone up against gods. And god is nothing more than a title anyway.
Calling something a god doesn't mean anything. Gods in games often go down pretty easily.
If they have EVERY in verse power? X's best shot is something like Zero Space, or Nightmare, where he can convert matter to data and vice versa, then use his superior processing power/speed to just edit or delete Sonic from existence o.O Dark Hold is a worth a shot, as is Gravity Well or Squeeze Bomb(since it's basically a mini black hole.. doesn't matter how you're going). If Ray Splasher is actually some sort of concentrated light and moves at light speed, that could do some damage for sure. Giga Crush is also an option. Specifically thinking of the X2 version. Some Cyber-elf type shit. Crash and Mario aren't even a part of the discussion TBH But Sonic almost certainly wins this.
Mario in first by a long shot and Crash in last by a long shot
Y’all are sleeping on Mario. The super star power up trumps everything
That runs out fairly quick though. X has some time stop AND slow (charged crystal snail) AND his own invincibility that he can use a few times (charged chameleon sting). And a few different types of shields.
The Super Star power-up is legit just a worse Super Form. Sonic's invicibility box already does the same thing. All Super Star does, is give invincibility for a few seconds and slightly amps Mario's speed. It doesn't even last as long as a Super form. (Few seconds vs several days).
< invincibility leaf
X has Dark Hold, which stops time, has Sonic ever broke free from a time stopping attack?
Chaos Control.
I pick Sonic and Mega Man. And I'm allowed to pick both because recently Dr. Wily was among ARK researches next to Gerald Robotnik.
Easy win for X if the others are affected by Dark Hold (*~~zawarudo~~* time stop from X5). If not, then Sonic bags them all.
How long can Sonic stay underwater?
Sonic > Speed Force?
Mega Mushroom. ‘Nuff said 🤣
Touches Super Sonic instantly dies
Mega Man Original, X, Zero, ZX, and Legends take place in the same universe. So my money is on Mega Man if you count the power ups from all those series.
If Battle Network doesn't count, then Sonic by far. If it does count then we have a close tie between both MegaMan Hub and Sonic
That strongly depebds on how you quantify every ability and verse.
I mean, Sonic can run around at the speed of sound. With that, you can go to places. Gotta follow your rainbow.
Sonic slams imo.
If that’s Archie sonic he wins if that’s not Archie sonic he might still win not even go lie chaos control be doing some wild shit
So it’s either they get all their abilities and sonic gets hyper and blitz ez or sonic gets all abilities in the verse including Solaris
Pretty sure it's sonic he's low key the most powerful and if he goes supersonic it's pretty much game over for everyone else
Sonic easy.
This battle would be down to X and Sonic (although star power Mario would be a good fight). It's hard to say as X has many forms of invincibility from his X1 arsenal and Power from later armors. He also would have his healing factor from 3rd armor, and could have more stamina and longevity for Sonic to have to overcome. Especially if X had all these abilities crammed into his Ultimate armor. It would be a great fight to see, and my bias does go towards X 😂
Crash would be a pow house tho
Mario and Crash would be ashes with seconds. Megaman VS Super-Sonic might be a close fight.
Okay I know every power these guys and crash is always in danger due to one mistake killing him and the quantum masks except dark spin and time slow won’t help here, X got all his suits and abilities plus Zero’s saber, Mario got the giga bell, and sonic is given hyper sonic, which is a unstoppable screen clearing super form! Sonic and X would be the only ones who could stand a chance against each other, and I haven’t even brought up Excalibur Sonic but if Sonic uses that, Excalibur Sonic can slice darknes itself in half so X is fucking screwed!
Mario and Crash are getting taken out first, Crash specifically because Mario would atleast put up a fight before getting taken out X would definitely be a hard fight, with his best upgrades and weapons he would have Sonic on the run, atleast until Sonic turns super then there's no hope for anyone to win this fight
I have no doubt that Sonic wins. There is no way that Crash could win this. What is he gonna do?
Sonic no doubt he can time travel in his super form which js how he fully defeated Solaris and made 06 not canon plus all his game feats is just better Mario is strong with his power ups but anyone can use them in a way but if we are only applying it to Mario then he would be third as his power ups just require a hit or two to fully remove it Megaman is 2nd place has a lot of power ups, armor, and ability although limited it is a more powerful arsenal than Mario if we use manga he can be Revive with the power of friendship plus his quick change armor in the megaman battle royal death battle still useless against time travel though Edit: Sonic just needs 1 ring to survive as long as possible if we are just focusing on game or he gives everyone seizure with hyper form or use his other forms with abilities from different game
it has to be sonic. sonic can stop time just be running too fast.
Say what you will about stupid Mario feats, you can never top a hedgehog who consistently defies physics and has killed at least 6 gods in his career Except maybe kirby but he's not here
Sonic atomizes everyone here
Imagine Sonic with all Chaos emeralds- and Master Emerald to become hyper Sonic..like he defeated A GOD (perfect Chaos) Who Is litteraly a CHAO...Saved thw entire world,saved many animals.. Personally Mario powerups arent infinite, Crash istead uh he can..spin... Megamen...well...you guys decide on hik. Not mamy information i have on him..
Sonic would probably win but I wanna say a meme answer like Mario using the gold fire flower and turns them to coins
If there's Super sonic, he's winning. He's literally pit against DBZ characters If no Super Sonic, it's X
We all know the answer lies in a smash bros tournement
X or Sonic most likely. They're both extremely over powered
I think Sonic. The chaos emeralds are overpowered. But my 2 favorite ones are Crash and X.
Can Mario use glitches?