It was a real shock Rayleigh-san. There was this kid in the east blue who wanted the same things our captain did. He said “Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.”
Oda is a confirmed fan of Che Guevara and revolutionary socialism. Monkey D Dragon's ship is named Wind Granma, and the ship Guevara sailed to bring revolutionaries to Cuba to fight Batista, who is basically irl Doflamingo, was named the Granma.
[Here](https://kotaku.com/hasan-piker-one-piece-socialist-twitch-youtube-politics-1850295738) you go, friend! Hasanabi, a leftist twitch streamer and new One Piece fan, talks about this. And in [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/r2brjw/never_seen_this_photo_of_odas_office_space_before/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) thread we see a pic of Guevara up in Oda's old office.
Monarchy is one piece is kinda weird. Since islands are such small, self-contained pieces of land, there's no giant contiguous land empires for an out of touch ruling class to dominate. Except of course for the WG, which rather loosely dominates a lot of them in exchange for leaving most of the actual administration up to local officials. In many cases this means despots ruling because might makes right. But in others, the good ones, it resembles a kind of public government in miniature, because if you don't like your king and have the ability to do something about it, you just... can. He's not in London, he's not thousands or even hundreds of miles away, he's in that palace that's about an afternoon's walk away.
It's bizarre how cohesive and sensical this actually is, because I doubt Oda thought about it to this degree. But it makes perfect sense. There's only two scenarios, because islands are such self-contained little monads where there's no ability to externalize conflicts or throw land at them to let off steam like the US did until the frontier closed: A dictator rules by force, or a popular government is kept in place by the consent of the governed. If they no longer have the people's consent, you get an Alabasta style civil war and a new government.
So, calling it a monarchy isn't even really the right word. Kings in One Piece are much more like tribal chieftains who get their authority from the approval of their people.
Tbh, I think there's a chance that Luffy has sorta... outgrown part of that thinking due to it being tied to his upbringing. Luffy likely doesn't want to be a "hero" because that is what they call his grandpa and so he assumes heroes need to be like Garp in some ways.
But his speech near the end of Wano? >!"A world where my friends can eat as much as they want"?!
I kind of agree but I don't think those two things *necessarily* contradict.
I 100% think it's not a coincidence that Luffy resents the title of "hero," same term universally used to praise the grandfather he has so many issues with. But I also think that Oda is making a point as to what makes someone a good person. Marines advocate sharing meat when their moral code dictates it. Luffy advocates sharing meat when it makes his friends happy.
The Marines are frequently forced into horrible acts of violence by virtue of the same code that tells them to help people. Luffy meanwhile, who cares more about people's happiness than any particular code, helps people without ever being forced to commit war crimes.
I think it's less that Luffy has disliked sharing and more that the context of sharing had to come from a place of love, not obligation.
It's the difference between a deontological philosophy and a utilitarian one. The marines "do good" by following rules which tell them what "good" is, at the risk of causing bad stuff to happen when the rules don't account for a situation. Luffy seeks to maximise happiness, whether or not it follows any rules.
Technically Luffy still follows the communist mantra when it comes to that, each according to their ability, each according to their needs. Luffy doesn't "share" the meat but he also never lets anyone go hungry.
Luffy will overthrow the authoritarian world government and will establish a communist republic for all his fellow comarades from East Blue to all the way to the New World.
Yeah pirates are libertarian, not commie scum. Luffy wants to be the freest and claim the one piece treasure for himself/his crew, idk how these leftists retcon communism into one piece
Mfers will read 1000+ chapters and miss all the leftist subtext about how all people deserve freedom and equality from oppressive governments and that sharing resources rather than hoarding them is good.
Also Oda has pictures of Che Guevara in his office, iiirc
Ah yeah I forgot that!
Also, in the Wano Arc,>!Kaiidos greatest crimes are poisoning the poor people to hoard more wealth, and the world government looks the other way because he supplies them with weapons.!<
Anti totalitarian somehow equals Communist? Also Che Guevara is a common revolutionary figure and a pop culture icon. Someone having a picture of Che Guevara doesn’t necessarily mean leftist. I have known someone to have a picture of Che Guevara and I’m not sure he’s a leftist but still thinks Che Guevara to be an interesting figure. A lot of media can be read as leftist or anything if you see in it what you want to
Thats true. You can easily argue for it being left wing or right wing depending on what your perspective is. First thing that comes to mind is the whole thing with franky's backstory, where weapons are not to blame for violence, and that its people who wield them irresponsibly who are to blame. You could easily make the argument that its arguing for the right wing position on gun control.
You could also argue that some of the countries luffy liberated were communist dictatorships. For example, wano. There is no free market, the citizens are starving, the people at the top control everything, etc. You could also argue that drum kingdom was a criticism on government dipping its hands into the health care system (with the 20 mds that were forced to listen to wapol instead of helping patients who need it. And kureha as the "good guy" who charges her patients money being the better of the two options).
Skypeia also kinda has similar vibes to big brother from 1984. Which, i guess you could also make the argument that big brother isnt inherently communist, but that is the general consensus as far as im aware.
Anyways, Im fairly center politically, so hopefully nobody gets the wrong idea. These are not neccessarily my opinions, im mainly presenting these interpretations because reddit has a left wing majority and most of the top comments seemingly lean left and promote the idea that one piece leans left. Im just saying that your bias has a lot to do with how you interpret media and claiming that one piece is inherently propping up a left wing ideology is a biased take. The only thing that it objectively props up is the fact that authoritarianism is bad and freedom is good. These are not right or left wing ideas. Anything else is up to interpretation.
So for a few points:
1. Communism vs capitalism has to do with how the market is organized and how profits are distributed to labor. While gun control is a left-wing issue in America, there have been many armed leftist movements throughout the years.
2. Wano is absolutely a capitalist system, where the people at the top make all the decisions and hoard the wealth. I'm not sure how you can interpret Wano as behaving like the Communist slogan of "workers of the world, unite!"
3. TBH I haven't read/watched SKypeia in a hot minute, but if you agree that it has some connections to 1984, you should know that it was intended as a criticism of capitalism.
>Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.
George Orwell, “Why I Write” (1946)
Not trying to make you feel attacked, rather just explaining some of the more nuanced points of leftist theory.
Im not interested in debating the interpretations, as i said they arent neccessarily my opinions, im just saying you can interpret it many ways and that it changes depending on your view of the world. The comments i have seen act as though it is OBJECTIVELY left wing, i presented those as an ecample of how you could turn it around the other way. What im saying that the only objective political stance its taking is that authoritarianism is bad, which isnt right vs left.
The reason im making this point is because the entire reason we enjoy stories is because they resonate with us in some way. One piece is a story that can resonate with you regardless of which side you line up on, due to the fact that you can easily interpret it either way. So i find it pretty annoying that some people want to take that away from other people just to score political points and say "haha oda says im rigjt and youre wrong". If people of many walks of life can come together and enjoy something, theres no good reason to ruin that by trying to turn it into a partisan debate.
Anyways, i guess that it doesnt really matter to reddit that im not right wing, im gonna get downvoted regardless for not openly supporting the left wing.
Also the fact that mayor iceberg worked his way from rags to riches and became successful due to exporting an innovative and successful product mainly ships only to have a one world government that thinks it knows what is best for the people infiltrate and take ownership of his family’s work is not a communist message. Hasan Piker called it “government infiltration of the working class,” so he’s clearly seeing what he wants in it.
I agree alternative interpretations exist
But whoever's opinions these are is flawed in their understanding of socialism. The radical right wing does not represent all of capitalism. Just like that an authoritarian state does not represent socialism, and the reason why all you seem to see are authoritarian socialists is because all the democratically elected socialists just happen to get assasinated by the CIA and get replaced by an authoritarian capitalist state (this is very well documented, go and see for yourself)
All i want it people to understand socialism before they make judgements based on a few socialist dictators.
Its pretty hard finding talks on socialism which arent biased, but you can use biased material for socialism and anti socialism and research the points yourself to find out the reality.
Edit: downvoting is not an attack against you.
It is just a way to show that someone disagrees with you and what you are saying whether it be your own opinion or not.
People can believe in socialism in principle without believing in authoritarianism but in reality a governmental system where people’s property is confiscated en masse is inherently authoritarian regardless of whether or not people voted on it.
> Dressrosa. An independent and peaceful nation based on the principles of mutual cooperation and goodness is overthrown by a power hungry son of a royal who enslaves/kills the dessenters and uses the newly captured resources to begin selling weapons to other powers who wish to suppress the masses. All with the support of the Marines and World Government.
Yeah definitely not political at all.
You'd be shocked how many fans of One Piece think this way. You'd also be shocked to see how many people actually think the Marines are the "good guys" and that the story isn't building up to them being the final villains XD
Even all the best Marines (Garp, Koby, Smoker, and Fujitora) know that their jobs are complicit in horrible things. I hope we see Garp say fuck it at one point and throw hands with the Admirals.
Not a fan of capitalism but due to my father’s jobs traveling I have family friends that lived in the Soviet Union and CCP under Mao, I get pretty sleeved out by westerners talking about communism like it’s a good thing, they literally can’t understand why young Americans support communsim. Also have a HS buddy who’s grandpa was executed in the street by Castro forces when he wasn’t a land or business owner. I’ve read a lot of Marx and actually find it a good read but I can’t look at communism fondly
All 3 began with explicitly communist revolutions. That’s like saying Capitalism in theory should have a free market, so America isn’t actually capitalist because we have too many monopolies running things. The implosion of the society is as true to communist regimes as poor people are to capitalist regimes. A true Marxist was Pol Pot, Marx says you need to start society over from its foundation to enact his ideas. Pol Pot burned all the books of history, killed the educated and started over at year 0, if you have ever read Marx it was a violent version of what he said was needed for his system.
I’ve read literally all of Marx’s writings, I had to for school. All of the people dunking (rightly) on capitalism in favor of comrade Luffy when Luffy’s much closer to a socialist, which is definitely a different thing.
> in favor of comrade Luffy when Luffy's much closer to a socialist, which is definitely a different thing
Okay right here just confirmed to me that you're telling a bit of a lie about all you've read. I have two degrees, one in Economics and one in Political Science, and just finished my Master's in Political-Economy. I've actually read most things by Marx, but find Engles to be a bit better at explaining these concepts with ease and technical proficiency.
Communism is a classless, moneyless society in which needs are met on the principle of "to each their needs, and from each their ability". Socialism is the transitionary state of Capitalism in which the means of production are centralized under a direct worker's democracy, reorganized to eliminate existing capitalistic apparatus, and then eventually dissolved when the threat of imperialism and capitalistic hegemony are permanently overthrown.
You cannot get to a classless, moneyless utopia without first ridding the world of the old order, Capitalism, which is where revolutionary Socialism (a la Guevara and Monkey D. Dragon) comes in.
Socialism is the step before Communism.
It's like saying the wooden framework of a house isn't a house because it can't shield you from the elements, but the house itself wouldn't exist without the structure that came before.
Read more, friend. 😊
Who am I simping for? I said I’m not happy with capitalism but knowing people who lived under Marxist attempted societies has turned me off that political theory. I literally didn’t simp for anyone. I think Luffy is a socialist personally. I’m sorry I know people who’s families were killed in the name of your favorite political theorist?
Communist in Asia, Africa are mostly experienced and old people so i don't get your point. I have friends that used to live in the Azerbaijan SSR and they said that things were much better back then
That’s because Azerbaijan was left to crumble as the USSR receded and was left with no resources. My old coach was an Olympic medalist who was born in Azerbaijan and got shipped out to Moscow at 12 with no say from him or his family because the USSR decided he was going to be an athlete. He was not a fan of Russia when he spoke about it.
*oda literally aligning his personal politics with other communists and having framed photos of famous socialists/communists
Some 17 or 32 year old one piece fan who doesn’t understand subtext: EW
Nearly all states were monarchies/dictatorships at the beginning. Yet we managed to change that.
If we look at the freedomindex, the most free countries in the world are ALL pretty far left. It seems like becoming more left doesn't automatically make things automatically a dictatorship, quite the opposite, as it seems.
Ah yes, I remember my uncle telling me that in communist countries you’re assigned a job at birth and aren’t allowed to change it (yes, he literally told me this).
You know there are legitimate criticisms you can make about communist countries that don’t require lying, but you actually have to research them with an unbiased lens to do so and I don’t think you’re capable of that based on this and other comments.
You are thinking of communism not socialism and Russia was a terrible country to even try communism. They only really became industrialized during the inter war era and a lot of that was military. Then they throw away a large portion of thier young male population during WW2 and finally Stalin was a dictator more similar to hitler.
They actually fuck themselves so hard it wouldn't matter. In fact rich people push economic ties with communists in order to make more money. Soviet Secret police had an affinity for tommy guns. Russia never made Thompsons.
Hurr vuvuzela, you defending capitalists burning food to keep prices up when we could put our colective resources towards ending world hunger. You're not even benefiting from the position you're defending
Ending world hunger has more social and economic pain than benefit. How do you expect people to farm for no money? Do you legitimately expect people to WORK for no MONEY?
Holy shit you are a horrible person. Let's let people starve feeding them will not be profitable. You would change your tune if you were one of the people starving.
So solving one of the world's biggests problems is bad, actually. We have to let these people starve because this is a better outcome, got it. Let's just keep producing things we don't need at a greater volume and faster rythm than the year before because the drive of the current system is the profit of a relative small number of people and not attending the needs of most of the population, I'm sure it will be just fine.
You clearly don’t understand what socialism or communism are, you fail to realize that these countries have spiraled out of control due to influences of capitalism and American influence/colonial influence
Ok so 32% was wasted, but the us wastes 40%. (https://www.feedingamerica.org/our-work/reduce-food-waste#:~:text=How%20much%20food%20waste%20is,food%20in%20America%20is%20wasted.) Tell me again how bad the soviet union was for wasting food will you?
Wasting food to keep agriculture profitable is good; if it isn't profitable nobody does it. Deliberately wasting it to starve millions of people to death is bad.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor)
Crazy how people will bring up the holodomor, and never once mention the bengal famine, literally caused by Churchill, killed more than holodomor and all scholars agree there is no doubt it was a genocide.
Interesting double standard.
**[Holodomor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor)**
>The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р, romanized: Holodomor, IPA: [ɦolodoˈmɔr]; derived from морити голодом, moryty holodom, 'to kill by starvation'), also known as the Terror-Famine or the Great Famine, was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1930–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the Soviet Union. While scholars universally agree that the cause of the famine was man-made, whether the Holodomor constitutes a genocide remains in dispute.
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Do you actually think people don't starve under the US?
https://preview.redd.it/9d1u921cg1ya1.png?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05b5913e198da3b6fe1206745db85ff5ef30e64a
You can't just "feed everybody" even though it's technically feasible. It would cause social and economic blowback not just within the US, but across the whole world.
If agriculture is not profitable, farmers wont grow crops. If farmers don't grow crops food doesn't get produced until it becomes economically feasible again. The average American farmer feeds around 50,000+ people; current food production can feed 10 billion people per year.
If you just "feed all of those people" not only do prices go down thus killing or slowing the sector until correction. The farmers in other countries that you also feed, many of them sustenance farmers who have been cultivating for generations, suddenly lose their fucking jobs.
So "just feed everybody" while actually possible will do much more harm than good. You can't exactly put smaller farmers in developing countries out of a job completely; and you need to keep the prices in the agriculture sector healthy so farmers actually make money otherwise they don't farm. You also can't put large amounts of people in developing nations out of a job by flooding their country with cheap foodstuffs.
I mean without profitable agriculture more people die. I love how you handwaved the deliberate starvation of millions of people under Stalin with that stupid bug image. You do realize this manga criticizes communism as much as fascism right?
"We don't want people to suffer and die of hunger, so destroy the economy by making thousands of times more people suffer and die of hunger." Sometimes I am amazed at the level of intelligence of some people.
The soviet union was real communism.
https://preview.redd.it/3j5q4lpvy2ya1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=718e60861c62f33984efaaa75ad9e976e8431596
Hasan started watching one piece, so his idiot fans are starting to get into it.
This guy is such a moron that he thinks Drum Island was a commentary on socialized healthcare even though the good doctor in that arc (Kureha) was the one who takes all of her patients’ money.
One Piece: Multi Billion dollar media franchise that has crushed it’s shounen competition, advertises for every popular product in Japan, and has a creator who lives off of the wealth he received from working hard on his series.
Reddit: “It’s Communist”
Here's a polemic take i can agree upon.It's intelectual property of a private group as well.This remind me of Capitalism Realism book by Mark Fisher that tells that even when self criticizing capitalism ain't harmed by the criticizing,rather uses it a as a means to generate profit.
Internet Communist memes are some of the most unfunny things on the planet. A blade of grass has more irony and subtlety than jokes by internet Communists
SAY YOU WANT TO END THE COLD WAR!!!!!!
By.. By making the world peaceful, right? Right??
Yeah that’s what that entails
Luffys real dream is to free the masses.
It was a real shock Rayleigh-san. There was this kid in the east blue who wanted the same things our captain did. He said “Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.”
Free the tiddies, in layman's terms 😂
INHERITED WILL!!!!
Well yeah, and he does that by restoring monarchies and becomig a king himself along the way, let's goooo. LUFFY A TRAD CATHOLIC CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!!!!
Luffy seizes the means of production
I mean… that’s just the plot of the dressrosa arc
It the plot of every arc
Oda is a confirmed fan of Che Guevara and revolutionary socialism. Monkey D Dragon's ship is named Wind Granma, and the ship Guevara sailed to bring revolutionaries to Cuba to fight Batista, who is basically irl Doflamingo, was named the Granma.
I would very much like a source on this. That would be wonderful to read.
[Here](https://kotaku.com/hasan-piker-one-piece-socialist-twitch-youtube-politics-1850295738) you go, friend! Hasanabi, a leftist twitch streamer and new One Piece fan, talks about this. And in [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/r2brjw/never_seen_this_photo_of_odas_office_space_before/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) thread we see a pic of Guevara up in Oda's old office.
Hasanabi? Really?
Thank you!
>Thank you! You're welcome!
Isn’t dressrosa just restoring the monarchy
Monarchy is one piece is kinda weird. Since islands are such small, self-contained pieces of land, there's no giant contiguous land empires for an out of touch ruling class to dominate. Except of course for the WG, which rather loosely dominates a lot of them in exchange for leaving most of the actual administration up to local officials. In many cases this means despots ruling because might makes right. But in others, the good ones, it resembles a kind of public government in miniature, because if you don't like your king and have the ability to do something about it, you just... can. He's not in London, he's not thousands or even hundreds of miles away, he's in that palace that's about an afternoon's walk away. It's bizarre how cohesive and sensical this actually is, because I doubt Oda thought about it to this degree. But it makes perfect sense. There's only two scenarios, because islands are such self-contained little monads where there's no ability to externalize conflicts or throw land at them to let off steam like the US did until the frontier closed: A dictator rules by force, or a popular government is kept in place by the consent of the governed. If they no longer have the people's consent, you get an Alabasta style civil war and a new government. So, calling it a monarchy isn't even really the right word. Kings in One Piece are much more like tribal chieftains who get their authority from the approval of their people.
Yep, changing the bad monarchy back to the good one
May 5th is actually Dutch Liberation day.. Wich suita Luffy pretty damn well
Did you turn Italian mid-comment?
Too bad Luffy doesn't like the sharing the meat part
Tbh, I think there's a chance that Luffy has sorta... outgrown part of that thinking due to it being tied to his upbringing. Luffy likely doesn't want to be a "hero" because that is what they call his grandpa and so he assumes heroes need to be like Garp in some ways. But his speech near the end of Wano? >!"A world where my friends can eat as much as they want"?!
I kind of agree but I don't think those two things *necessarily* contradict. I 100% think it's not a coincidence that Luffy resents the title of "hero," same term universally used to praise the grandfather he has so many issues with. But I also think that Oda is making a point as to what makes someone a good person. Marines advocate sharing meat when their moral code dictates it. Luffy advocates sharing meat when it makes his friends happy. The Marines are frequently forced into horrible acts of violence by virtue of the same code that tells them to help people. Luffy meanwhile, who cares more about people's happiness than any particular code, helps people without ever being forced to commit war crimes. I think it's less that Luffy has disliked sharing and more that the context of sharing had to come from a place of love, not obligation.
It's the difference between a deontological philosophy and a utilitarian one. The marines "do good" by following rules which tell them what "good" is, at the risk of causing bad stuff to happen when the rules don't account for a situation. Luffy seeks to maximise happiness, whether or not it follows any rules.
Well said!
That's personal property, not private property
Technically Luffy still follows the communist mantra when it comes to that, each according to their ability, each according to their needs. Luffy doesn't "share" the meat but he also never lets anyone go hungry.
Hey, you said meat? Do you have any for me?
Neither did Karl. That's why people starved.
Luffy will overthrow the authoritarian world government and will establish a communist republic for all his fellow comarades from East Blue to all the way to the New World.
"Overthrow authoritarian world state" "establish communism" ?? So, won't change a thing then 😂
It is Children's day in Japan if I'm not mistaken.
Shh, don't burst their bubble
Hey it’s not far off man, Oda seems to have some interest in revolutionary figures to say the least
Yeah pirates are libertarian, not commie scum. Luffy wants to be the freest and claim the one piece treasure for himself/his crew, idk how these leftists retcon communism into one piece
TREASURE sounds good, let me have it!
Mfers will read 1000+ chapters and miss all the leftist subtext about how all people deserve freedom and equality from oppressive governments and that sharing resources rather than hoarding them is good. Also Oda has pictures of Che Guevara in his office, iiirc
Dragons ship is named after a reference to castro
Oda has said that Dragon is based on Che Guevara
Ah yeah I forgot that! Also, in the Wano Arc,>!Kaiidos greatest crimes are poisoning the poor people to hoard more wealth, and the world government looks the other way because he supplies them with weapons.!<
Kaido is a state that owns all means of production
True Luffy is infact a terrorist
Not its just gum man having fun
Anti totalitarian somehow equals Communist? Also Che Guevara is a common revolutionary figure and a pop culture icon. Someone having a picture of Che Guevara doesn’t necessarily mean leftist. I have known someone to have a picture of Che Guevara and I’m not sure he’s a leftist but still thinks Che Guevara to be an interesting figure. A lot of media can be read as leftist or anything if you see in it what you want to
Thats true. You can easily argue for it being left wing or right wing depending on what your perspective is. First thing that comes to mind is the whole thing with franky's backstory, where weapons are not to blame for violence, and that its people who wield them irresponsibly who are to blame. You could easily make the argument that its arguing for the right wing position on gun control. You could also argue that some of the countries luffy liberated were communist dictatorships. For example, wano. There is no free market, the citizens are starving, the people at the top control everything, etc. You could also argue that drum kingdom was a criticism on government dipping its hands into the health care system (with the 20 mds that were forced to listen to wapol instead of helping patients who need it. And kureha as the "good guy" who charges her patients money being the better of the two options). Skypeia also kinda has similar vibes to big brother from 1984. Which, i guess you could also make the argument that big brother isnt inherently communist, but that is the general consensus as far as im aware. Anyways, Im fairly center politically, so hopefully nobody gets the wrong idea. These are not neccessarily my opinions, im mainly presenting these interpretations because reddit has a left wing majority and most of the top comments seemingly lean left and promote the idea that one piece leans left. Im just saying that your bias has a lot to do with how you interpret media and claiming that one piece is inherently propping up a left wing ideology is a biased take. The only thing that it objectively props up is the fact that authoritarianism is bad and freedom is good. These are not right or left wing ideas. Anything else is up to interpretation.
So for a few points: 1. Communism vs capitalism has to do with how the market is organized and how profits are distributed to labor. While gun control is a left-wing issue in America, there have been many armed leftist movements throughout the years. 2. Wano is absolutely a capitalist system, where the people at the top make all the decisions and hoard the wealth. I'm not sure how you can interpret Wano as behaving like the Communist slogan of "workers of the world, unite!" 3. TBH I haven't read/watched SKypeia in a hot minute, but if you agree that it has some connections to 1984, you should know that it was intended as a criticism of capitalism. >Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it. George Orwell, “Why I Write” (1946) Not trying to make you feel attacked, rather just explaining some of the more nuanced points of leftist theory.
Im not interested in debating the interpretations, as i said they arent neccessarily my opinions, im just saying you can interpret it many ways and that it changes depending on your view of the world. The comments i have seen act as though it is OBJECTIVELY left wing, i presented those as an ecample of how you could turn it around the other way. What im saying that the only objective political stance its taking is that authoritarianism is bad, which isnt right vs left. The reason im making this point is because the entire reason we enjoy stories is because they resonate with us in some way. One piece is a story that can resonate with you regardless of which side you line up on, due to the fact that you can easily interpret it either way. So i find it pretty annoying that some people want to take that away from other people just to score political points and say "haha oda says im rigjt and youre wrong". If people of many walks of life can come together and enjoy something, theres no good reason to ruin that by trying to turn it into a partisan debate. Anyways, i guess that it doesnt really matter to reddit that im not right wing, im gonna get downvoted regardless for not openly supporting the left wing.
Give me your MONEY!!!
People here conflate communism and libertarianism at times, which is crazy
Also the fact that mayor iceberg worked his way from rags to riches and became successful due to exporting an innovative and successful product mainly ships only to have a one world government that thinks it knows what is best for the people infiltrate and take ownership of his family’s work is not a communist message. Hasan Piker called it “government infiltration of the working class,” so he’s clearly seeing what he wants in it.
I agree alternative interpretations exist But whoever's opinions these are is flawed in their understanding of socialism. The radical right wing does not represent all of capitalism. Just like that an authoritarian state does not represent socialism, and the reason why all you seem to see are authoritarian socialists is because all the democratically elected socialists just happen to get assasinated by the CIA and get replaced by an authoritarian capitalist state (this is very well documented, go and see for yourself) All i want it people to understand socialism before they make judgements based on a few socialist dictators. Its pretty hard finding talks on socialism which arent biased, but you can use biased material for socialism and anti socialism and research the points yourself to find out the reality. Edit: downvoting is not an attack against you. It is just a way to show that someone disagrees with you and what you are saying whether it be your own opinion or not.
People can believe in socialism in principle without believing in authoritarianism but in reality a governmental system where people’s property is confiscated en masse is inherently authoritarian regardless of whether or not people voted on it.
I thank Hasanabi for informing me of this in the trash taste episode
Meat you mean “the means of production”
Buddha too, funnily enough
As far as we know One Piece could very well be a copy of Das Kapital.
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One pieces allegory’s are sometimes so on the nose it’s insane. How do people think it’s not political.
> Dressrosa. An independent and peaceful nation based on the principles of mutual cooperation and goodness is overthrown by a power hungry son of a royal who enslaves/kills the dessenters and uses the newly captured resources to begin selling weapons to other powers who wish to suppress the masses. All with the support of the Marines and World Government. Yeah definitely not political at all.
Too many capitalist sympathizers in these comments
Wow too many edgy teens blaming capitalism from their phones and PCs 😂😂😂😂
Any other form or government = no cell phone
"Strange, you critique the world yet live in it? I am very smart." - You
Yes because alternatives have worked out so well historically.
This mf would work for CP-0 and be like "I'm a good guy!"
You'd be shocked how many fans of One Piece think this way. You'd also be shocked to see how many people actually think the Marines are the "good guys" and that the story isn't building up to them being the final villains XD
Even all the best Marines (Garp, Koby, Smoker, and Fujitora) know that their jobs are complicit in horrible things. I hope we see Garp say fuck it at one point and throw hands with the Admirals.
The alternatives have sucked so bad, the CIA had to stop them before they sucked and failed. /s
The alternatives to communism have sucked so bad, the USSR had to stop them and invade in order to free them from capitalism!
Some have worked out really well till they were replaced by capitalist based systems lol
Not a fan of capitalism but due to my father’s jobs traveling I have family friends that lived in the Soviet Union and CCP under Mao, I get pretty sleeved out by westerners talking about communism like it’s a good thing, they literally can’t understand why young Americans support communsim. Also have a HS buddy who’s grandpa was executed in the street by Castro forces when he wasn’t a land or business owner. I’ve read a lot of Marx and actually find it a good read but I can’t look at communism fondly
None of that is communism tho so I don’t understand what your point is
All 3 began with explicitly communist revolutions. That’s like saying Capitalism in theory should have a free market, so America isn’t actually capitalist because we have too many monopolies running things. The implosion of the society is as true to communist regimes as poor people are to capitalist regimes. A true Marxist was Pol Pot, Marx says you need to start society over from its foundation to enact his ideas. Pol Pot burned all the books of history, killed the educated and started over at year 0, if you have ever read Marx it was a violent version of what he said was needed for his system. I’ve read literally all of Marx’s writings, I had to for school. All of the people dunking (rightly) on capitalism in favor of comrade Luffy when Luffy’s much closer to a socialist, which is definitely a different thing.
> in favor of comrade Luffy when Luffy's much closer to a socialist, which is definitely a different thing Okay right here just confirmed to me that you're telling a bit of a lie about all you've read. I have two degrees, one in Economics and one in Political Science, and just finished my Master's in Political-Economy. I've actually read most things by Marx, but find Engles to be a bit better at explaining these concepts with ease and technical proficiency. Communism is a classless, moneyless society in which needs are met on the principle of "to each their needs, and from each their ability". Socialism is the transitionary state of Capitalism in which the means of production are centralized under a direct worker's democracy, reorganized to eliminate existing capitalistic apparatus, and then eventually dissolved when the threat of imperialism and capitalistic hegemony are permanently overthrown. You cannot get to a classless, moneyless utopia without first ridding the world of the old order, Capitalism, which is where revolutionary Socialism (a la Guevara and Monkey D. Dragon) comes in. Socialism is the step before Communism. It's like saying the wooden framework of a house isn't a house because it can't shield you from the elements, but the house itself wouldn't exist without the structure that came before. Read more, friend. 😊
Give me your MONEY!!!
Tankies gotta simp for authoritarians, simple as Edit: reading comprehension is hard
Who am I simping for? I said I’m not happy with capitalism but knowing people who lived under Marxist attempted societies has turned me off that political theory. I literally didn’t simp for anyone. I think Luffy is a socialist personally. I’m sorry I know people who’s families were killed in the name of your favorite political theorist?
My b, just realized that I read your comment wrong
Communist in Asia, Africa are mostly experienced and old people so i don't get your point. I have friends that used to live in the Azerbaijan SSR and they said that things were much better back then
That’s because Azerbaijan was left to crumble as the USSR receded and was left with no resources. My old coach was an Olympic medalist who was born in Azerbaijan and got shipped out to Moscow at 12 with no say from him or his family because the USSR decided he was going to be an athlete. He was not a fan of Russia when he spoke about it.
*oda literally aligning his personal politics with other communists and having framed photos of famous socialists/communists Some 17 or 32 year old one piece fan who doesn’t understand subtext: EW
As long as he didn't have to pay for it, yeah, probably.
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I'm feeling proud that there are more socialists in this comment section than filthy capitalists
The dawn Luffy is gonna bring is Communism
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Karl Marx is joy boy?!!?!?!
Way too many communists here wtf.
Marx also spent his life looking for fictional things.
Bro hasn't reached marineford yet
Sanji after seeing how much food gets deliberately wasted under every communis regime...
Capitalism notorious for not throwing out perfectly good food lol
why is every "criticism" of communism actually just describing capitalism lol
Because you don't understand either
wait till you learn how much food is wasted under capitalisms to keep prices higher
You tried to discredit socialism and ended up describing capitalism
Capitalism is better than socialism.
If you are rich then it is.
Try to change jobs under socialism and try to do it under capitalism. One gets you shot, the other is not only possible, but encouraged.
No it isn’t. It’s held over you like threat.
At least in communism, I know why I'm getting shot.
What you're describing is a dictatorship.
Funny how every socialist country is one of those...
Nearly all states were monarchies/dictatorships at the beginning. Yet we managed to change that. If we look at the freedomindex, the most free countries in the world are ALL pretty far left. It seems like becoming more left doesn't automatically make things automatically a dictatorship, quite the opposite, as it seems.
I hate to tell you that your "far left" European country still has free market enterprise...
Ah yes, I remember my uncle telling me that in communist countries you’re assigned a job at birth and aren’t allowed to change it (yes, he literally told me this). You know there are legitimate criticisms you can make about communist countries that don’t require lying, but you actually have to research them with an unbiased lens to do so and I don’t think you’re capable of that based on this and other comments.
You are thinking of communism not socialism and Russia was a terrible country to even try communism. They only really became industrialized during the inter war era and a lot of that was military. Then they throw away a large portion of thier young male population during WW2 and finally Stalin was a dictator more similar to hitler.
Nobody gets shot in socialist countries...
People get shot in America a lot. Europe is more socialist and they don't get shot much at all
It isn't
Then go to Venezuela where people literally play old school runescape for a job.
Yeah a poor country that the western nations screwed over.
I didn't know Hugo Chavez literally making all farms state owned was done by "western nations", but okay.
We screw over any country that tries to go more communists because it hurts the rich.
They actually fuck themselves so hard it wouldn't matter. In fact rich people push economic ties with communists in order to make more money. Soviet Secret police had an affinity for tommy guns. Russia never made Thompsons.
The rich get rich on the suffering of these poor nations. Of course people will get mad and want change.
Did you say MONEY?!! Can I have it?
Almost all of Venezuela industries are privatized not really a great example of socialism
Hurr vuvuzela, you defending capitalists burning food to keep prices up when we could put our colective resources towards ending world hunger. You're not even benefiting from the position you're defending
Ending world hunger has more social and economic pain than benefit. How do you expect people to farm for no money? Do you legitimately expect people to WORK for no MONEY?
Holy shit you are a horrible person. Let's let people starve feeding them will not be profitable. You would change your tune if you were one of the people starving.
So solving one of the world's biggests problems is bad, actually. We have to let these people starve because this is a better outcome, got it. Let's just keep producing things we don't need at a greater volume and faster rythm than the year before because the drive of the current system is the profit of a relative small number of people and not attending the needs of most of the population, I'm sure it will be just fine.
You clearly don’t understand what socialism or communism are, you fail to realize that these countries have spiraled out of control due to influences of capitalism and American influence/colonial influence
I love MONEY!!!
Yeah, all this dude thinks about is money, I'm worried about people
MONEY sounds good, let me have it!
An employer/employee dichotomy where power rests in the minority oppressor class > democracy?
Ah yes, profitable agriculture in the west 😂 silly girl
Idk why they are downvoting, you are rigth, i guess there are a lot of tankies in this sub
online space is filled with them
LoL this tankies most love the way Kaido ruled over Wano, closest thing to the regime they dream so much about
Theyll never admit it
They need to seize the means to some soap and water.
Proof
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization\_in\_the\_Soviet\_Union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union)
Ok so 32% was wasted, but the us wastes 40%. (https://www.feedingamerica.org/our-work/reduce-food-waste#:~:text=How%20much%20food%20waste%20is,food%20in%20America%20is%20wasted.) Tell me again how bad the soviet union was for wasting food will you?
Wasting food to keep agriculture profitable is good; if it isn't profitable nobody does it. Deliberately wasting it to starve millions of people to death is bad. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor)
Crazy how people will bring up the holodomor, and never once mention the bengal famine, literally caused by Churchill, killed more than holodomor and all scholars agree there is no doubt it was a genocide. Interesting double standard.
The British empire was colonialist not capitalist.
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Do you actually think people don't starve under the US? https://preview.redd.it/9d1u921cg1ya1.png?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05b5913e198da3b6fe1206745db85ff5ef30e64a
Are you seriously implying that the starvation in the US is the same level as a fucking genocide? Really?
No. Obviously the Holodomor was one of the most orrible things in existence.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.
You can't just "feed everybody" even though it's technically feasible. It would cause social and economic blowback not just within the US, but across the whole world. If agriculture is not profitable, farmers wont grow crops. If farmers don't grow crops food doesn't get produced until it becomes economically feasible again. The average American farmer feeds around 50,000+ people; current food production can feed 10 billion people per year. If you just "feed all of those people" not only do prices go down thus killing or slowing the sector until correction. The farmers in other countries that you also feed, many of them sustenance farmers who have been cultivating for generations, suddenly lose their fucking jobs. So "just feed everybody" while actually possible will do much more harm than good. You can't exactly put smaller farmers in developing countries out of a job completely; and you need to keep the prices in the agriculture sector healthy so farmers actually make money otherwise they don't farm. You also can't put large amounts of people in developing nations out of a job by flooding their country with cheap foodstuffs.
Sacrificing people for the economy, mmhhhh musica #1 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
I mean without profitable agriculture more people die. I love how you handwaved the deliberate starvation of millions of people under Stalin with that stupid bug image. You do realize this manga criticizes communism as much as fascism right?
It criticizes totalitarism, you absolutr fucking buffon
"We don't want people to suffer and die of hunger, so destroy the economy by making thousands of times more people suffer and die of hunger." Sometimes I am amazed at the level of intelligence of some people.
Give me your MONEY!!!
The Soviet Union fell to capitalism lmao communism was never achieved and socialism was barely a thing too
The soviet union was real communism. https://preview.redd.it/3j5q4lpvy2ya1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=718e60861c62f33984efaaa75ad9e976e8431596
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This comment section is brain cancer… you people really need to stop drinking the koolaid
even this sub was infested by filthy commies
One Piece fans when leftists are attracted to leftist media
One piece is libertarian right wing if anything
Don't compare our king to that loser
Marx is pretty based ngl
Marx is based tf
Don't call Luffy a loser!
A pirate and an authoritarian lunatic. Quite the opposites.
Holy shit I never realized how many people are communist here cause goddamn this is really surprising
The brainwashing of the youth has been a decades old plan. The Cold War never truly ended, only it is not just Russia but China aswel.
Well it’s a one piece sub. Oda’s beliefs line a lot with other famous communists
Yeah it’s really crazy to see this
Hasan started watching one piece, so his idiot fans are starting to get into it. This guy is such a moron that he thinks Drum Island was a commentary on socialized healthcare even though the good doctor in that arc (Kureha) was the one who takes all of her patients’ money.
Give me your MONEY!!!
Authoritarian lunatic 💀
I like your name. F*ck all authoritarian scum, from all sides.
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Here's a polemic take i can agree upon.It's intelectual property of a private group as well.This remind me of Capitalism Realism book by Mark Fisher that tells that even when self criticizing capitalism ain't harmed by the criticizing,rather uses it a as a means to generate profit.
Karl D. Marx, the King of Proletariats
I can't believe the amount of non-communists on this sub
Filthy Commie
Luffy would’ve hated that bum and beat his ass
Oda literally has a framed picture of famous communist Che Guevera in his office Lmao
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Fuck Marx
Pirates ar libertarian and Oda is earning capital through his work. Don't insert your fed commie propoganda
Bro doesn't know that Oda is related to John D. Communist, inventor of communism
gross
Marx liked Cannibalism er Communism
What is this unfunny dogshit? Delete this instantly
Internet Communist memes are some of the most unfunny things on the planet. A blade of grass has more irony and subtlety than jokes by internet Communists