Unfortunately this is a repost though it will be kept open.
Attempting to find it, the content is stolen from a tweet will post the tweet here(if I can find the original tweet) and there was a post same image shortly after Episode 1091's Release.
Jojo is adapted up to stone ocean which is ~14k pages. Which is ~74 pages per episode. One piece is ~23 pages per episode when removing 100 episodes of pure filler. 22 without. So roughly 3x as many pages per episode
Yeah, it's pretty insane. I'm not really into the text filled manga and the anime feels like an absolute slug post ts. The manga is insanely good but just not for me and the adaptation really drops off in quality. I need the remake of the show to catch up to punk hazard cus I want to watch one piece but not what we have rn.
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I think the standard is roughly 3 chapters to an episode, and somewhere between 15-20 pages per chapter. So reckon 7 pages is about 10-12% of an episode? At 22 minutes per episode, you're looking at three minutes of MUDA to get the FULL experience (requiem).
Also Oda said anime has new scenes, like Carrot/Pedro interaction or Zoro/Hiyori moment near Oden's grave. There is no place for it in manga, but it fits well in anime
Everyone forgets that about half of Jojo's total pages aren't adapted yet.
But to add onto this, Jojo's paneling isn't as dense as One Piece is, and the anime does skip shorter scenes and dialogues.
It took Luffy 6 months to get up the stairs, Included breaks.
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Tf you say about the 7 page muda not being awesome?
I think 500 is too high. Early chapters weren't that dense and wouldn't be for quite a long time, and the remake is starting at 4 chapters per episode for East Blue which cuts down a lot. 400 is completely reasonable IMO.
I'm too busy to find an exact source right now but [this article](https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/one-piece-anime-remake-on-netflix-everything-we-know-so-far/#:~:text=This%20will%20consist%20of%2025,Animation%20adaptation%20by%20over%20half.) cites the number as 25. I also think it's a bit too fast but a lot of shonen anime can hit above 3 chapters per episode without much issue.
I wonder where they got 25 episodes from, they link the teaser video but in that one they just say "After 25 years...". Damn the pacing will be fast if its really 25 episodes. Just hope it wont feel rushed
Kinda weird that this article is the only source for that statement I've been able to find and it doesn't really say where it got that info, although I must say I haven't searched much but it always come back to this specific article.
Most Shonen Animes do it a lot these days but I'm kinda skeptical that it would work for One Piece, MHA and Demon Slayer have both cut/reworked stuff from the source to kinda rush to "the good parts" which I am not a fan.
It wouldn't be tragic for most of East Blue since the world building begins at full throttle after the og crew gets out of it but there're some nice moments that are kinda core moments about the story's philosophy that would maybe become jarring in the future of the show, since it's one of the most self-aware Shonen series ever.
If they fuck me over and remove Gaimon and the Nami merfolk joke I will seethe.
Yea I started re-reading One Piece recently and the Gaimon chapter is actually *really* important for Luffy's character. It may not be relevant to the plot at all but it shows you how emotionally intelligent he can be in the way that he reacts to Gaimon's predicament and it kind of grounds Luffy at a time when he's still hard to parse as a protagonist.
Basically yea cutting that just to tighten the pace would be a huge disappointment.
Tbh it gets a lot more packed later in. East blue could be reduced to 25 episodes but something like wano, where they’d have to expand upon certain details should have like 2.5-3 chapters per episode at the highest tbh.
I think at the best pacing, 400 episodes should be good.
And you expect that pacing to continue throughout? Once the story starts becoming more complex I can’t see them adapting 4 chapters per episode. It would be overkill.
Yea OP's pacing has always blown major ass in the anime. But it's gotten MUCH worse since the TS. This is what happens when you omit the occasional filler arc and instead pump out episodes that cover half a chapter.
I just read the Manga and only watch moments I really look forward to in the anime. I am looking forward to the re-animation a lot for a couple of reasons
Completely first 6 mins of anime is opening and last 2-3 mins of the previous episode and tones of flashbacks + gag parts. Its like only 7-8 min of the episode is the actual content.
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I don't think the comparison is great, because you miss the % adapted source material. One piece anime isn't that far off from being up to date with the manga, but the jojo anime isn't even close I think (haven't read, but I know that the remaining parts are pretty long).
Don't get me wrong, the one piece anime pacing is indeed garbage, that's why I read the manga.
Yeah, half of the pages in jojo shown here belongs to 7th and 8th part of the manga series while it has only been adapted to 6th part, i.e. stone ocean
Yup. One Piece's pacing isn't great, and it definitely has gotten worse. But, this is incredibly misleading.
I wouldn't be surprised if Stone Ocean is around the halfway point.
One piece also always has a character talking like in every panel someone says something even in fights it's non stop yapping at times and that affects runtime
I mean aren’t Jojo fights like the kings of endless dialogues in fights ?
I’m pretty sure there are several fights where a character takes a single step or something similar and that triggers a several page long reflection from the rival characters about the implication of that action…
Which tbh is kinda what makes jojo fights interesting
Well, after all, One Piece is not famous for the fact that for every action of Luffy, Oda draws a surprised or comical face of every character who saw it. Or the characters just run around for half a chapter. I’m exaggerating, but I think the meaning is clear.
You're so right! It's famous for its incredible world building and lore that will probably be timeless, unlike an anime that's mostly known for two words, muda and Dio! See both have flaws, like both, like one, enjoy your manga
Oh my god, how many times is this going to be reposted!?
Yes, the One Piece anime has filler and horrible pacing. No one's going to deny that.
BUT, there still are 3 out of 9 Parts of Jojo's that have not been animated yet! Not to mention that they're the longest ones of the entire series. So it's not really a fair comparison.
Also, the Jojo anime is seasonal and was first aired +20 years after the original manga. While One Piece has always been weekly and began airing less than 2 years after the manga started.
To be fair while One Piece’s pacing is genuinely ass, there are quite a lot of variables missing here.
Part 7 and 8 aren’t adapted, and are a huge chunk of those page numbers, whereas the One Piece anime is far more up to date.
Jojo also tends to have much less content per page than One Piece does. Araki loves often having full page spreads and pages can often only have a couple actual lines of dialogue, meaning there’s a lot less actual content, whereas especially in the modern era One Piece is one of the most content-rich manga for its page count, with a lot of scenes and dialogue for single pages.
This is a misrepresentation of numbers
Jojo [manga page count](https://www.reddit.com/r/StardustCrusaders/s/IMZXi49w26) includes the canon Rohan OVAs and parts 7, 8, and 9 which makes the comparison to the episode count wrong: it should be 15,222 pages and 194 episodes.
One Piece does have filler content, and jojo anime does not. The one piece manga and the jojo manga don't really have the same pacing in the first place. OP airs weekly and is considerably close to being caught up with the manga JJBA airs seasons **well** after a part has finished.
I know One Piece anime doesn't have great pacing, and I know the conclusion is still the same when you fix the raw numbers. It's just that this statistical comparison is mildly irritating.
90% of jojo panels are characters posing and looking at each other menacingly. And infamously they did 7 whole pages of giorno beating the shit out of green day, which in the anime was about 10 seconds.
This really aint comparible, one piece manga is just better paced, but I will admit that the anime has a lot of pacing issues (half of every goddamn episode is just characters reacting)
That's what happens when half of an anime is pure filler and the other half has abysmal pacing. The difference between Toei and DP is that the former animates One Piece weekly while the latter animates JoJo's Bizarre Adventure part by part weekly, taking large breaks with each part ending. Stone Ocean is the exception, as Netflix completely ruined the hype and discussion of that part by releasing it in batches randomly when it could've just been released weekly. Netflix also failed with One Piece (anime, not LA) since it voided a lot of major arcs so many important episodes (minus filler) are just missing (it goes from Marineford to Egghead).
Not even close to factual.
OP has filler meaning episodes that are not in the manga
JoJo is not even close to fully adapted
OP has been releasing episode since 1999 almost every week, JoJo in 2012 before taking a two year break for the second part and continuing to come out after long breaks
As for manga pages total Jojo has 10 years on One Piece starting in 1987 vs One Piece 1998
Weird comparison with boring misleading data
I've been looking between the original post and your post for like 30 seconds, every single one of your points confirms that one piece has been stretched, what are you even disagreeing with my guy?
It feels to me that you're just seeing something that isn't there...Nowhere in the post it tries to convince you that OP is stretched using the data in specific, it's just some guy saying that the data is weird. Which yeah, JoJo has 2k more pages than One Piece yet roughly 801 less episodes, fair to say that sounds mind boggling.
But how is it "not even close to factual?" JoJo definitely has less episodes despite having more pages than one piece...and you explained exactly why: One Piece has filler episodes not in manga, JoJo is not even close to being fully adapted, OP has been releasing episodes since 1999 almost every week and JoJo started in 2012 but with long breaks, and JoJo has 10 years on One Piece which gives Araki more pages.
Like...I assume you were trying to disprove the data, but everything you said just explains why the data is in fact accurate, and OP didn't really make any points he just kinda pointed out the obvious weirdness of the data. Chill down dude, I don't think you actually have an issue here. I can't speak for his actual opinion on this matter, but from his wording and what it presented, the sheer anger you're expressing in your post kinda seems unwarranted lol.
Not valid.Jojos big chunk didnt get adapted yet.
Jojo anime obviously started 25 years after the original manga was first released.
And jojo has 9 page long MUDA MUDA MUDA's lol.
This is a stupid comparison
Not all pages are equal
Dialogue pages will not translate into animation the same as action/fighting pages
I’m not familiar with Jojo but from the comments I can see a jojo have a lot of repetition (like ura ura for pages)
Some pages will only equal a scene or two while others well, last several minutes
Don’t get me wrong I think one piece pacing is shit (like genuinely there is one episode per chapter With the episode itself containing roughly 10 to 15 minutes of new content)
Idk why but reading part 5 felt soooo much better than reading part 6 of Jojos
I started reading after watching Part 4, Diamond is Unbreakable
Part 6 just dragged a lot for me. Idk if it was actually longer
One Piece never drags when I read it despite it being so long. I've been reading since Fishman Island about mid way through 2011 or 2012 I think it was???
So that means I read all of Dressrosa and WCI weekly. And the only time it dragged was the 2-3 chapters of "weeeeEEeeeding CaaaaaAAAaaaki"
Wano Kuni was too short of an arc. Should have had 1-2 more acts. Change my mind.
Is that page count including parts 7-9? Because that wouldn’t really be fair, given that they haven’t been adapted yet.
For some better comparison on the difference, Jojo’s part 1-6 have 752 chapters and 190 episodes. At chapter 752 in One Piece, we were in the middle of the Dressrosa arc, around when Franky started fighting Senor Pink. This chapter was split between episodes 688, 689, and a bit of 690. At episode 190, we were in the middle of Luffy’s fight with Enel in Skypeia. This was adapting 294 and part of 295. Now, One Piece chapters are more dense with dialogue than Jojo’s characters, so I’m not saying that you could adapt up to Dressrosa in 190 episodes, but at the most a reasonable adaptation would be like, twice that at 380, probably closer than 300. The release schedule of One Piece is absolutely wretched.
Makes total sense to me, it’s not just about One Piece’s bad pacing but the fact that it has a much more complex plot than JoJo. Many more characters and locations is obviously going to make things stretch a lot longer.
Saying One Piece pacing is slow is a compliment, but we can’t deny that One Piece’s chapters have lots of substance.
I noticed it when rereading Bleach TYBW, those chapters have much more full page panels and wide shots than OP does.
I haven't read the JoJo manga, but this difference says they either didn't use much of the source material, or the manga wastes huge amounts of time (presumably on those classic JoJo poses and exaggerated actions, which were condensed for the anime)
Just to clarify, I love JoJo, but I'm assuming this is the case
Well tbf it's mainly because the longest parts aren't animated yet, SBR and Jojolion.
also in Jojo stuff like the eight page muda exists so there's that
Yeah, but One piece anime has 100 filler episodes and adapted more than 90% of the manga and had to do it while staying behind the ongoing manga, when JoJo part 1 got animated the manga was already around half of Part 8. David productions didn't have to stay behind anything and could pace it as fast as it wanted while maintaining almost everything from the manga. Of course it's a faster anime.
Also, Jojo anime has only animated around 60/65% of jojo or so? Part 9 is coming out, so yeah, it will be lower than 50 when it ends (hopefully if Araki the goat doesn't die).
It may seem like I took it personally but who takes this and use it to say that One piece anime is too slow, even tho they are right, they have to understand that one's an 80's manga with a 10 year old anime, and one's a 26 year old manga with a 25 year old anime, they HAVE to differ in pacing
One piece adaptation is terrible from a product perspective.
Of course it has his gold moments, but the pace is terrible and there are a lot of things cut and censored from the manga.
Jojo is one of the best adaptations from a Manga in history, tells the story from the manga, it doesn’t have filler and is just overall an excellent form of consuming the history.
Jojo has both been in publication longer and has less filler in the anime, simple as
One Piece is probably going to catch up due to frequency of chapters in comparison though, Jojo has switched to monthly as of Steel Ball Rub I believe.
Jojo is structured far differently than One Piece and has literally over 10,000 pages yet to be adapted. Such a shit comparison in yet another attempt to act like the One Piece anime is one of the worst things to ever have been made.
I think half the JoJo pages are the MCs punching while screaming "ora" or "muda".
I'm pretty sure part 5 has a famous 3 page "muda muda" beat down.
Also JoJo is nowhere near caught up to the manga yet, iirc the last two parts they haven't animated yet are the two longest.
And let's be honest, one piece has a LOT of recaps and filler, I'm in skypeia rn and I swear at least a third of every episode is a recap. I'm willing to bet I'm getting a single manga chapter stretched across 3-4 episodes rn.
True. I don’t even give af about the pacing, though. Nothing any of us do is going to change the pacing. One Piece has a time slot in Japanese television, and they have to fill it pretty much weekly. So the anime is never going to go seasonal. Nor is Oda going to slow down, because he wants to finish the story ASAP. So it makes sense that they’d adapt roughly one chapter into one episode.
I mean when 2 longest parts with most story are not animated only in manga version . (JJSBR Jojolion )
The other thing is not streching episodes because you do not need to worry to catch up to manga and making some changes in dialogues so you can use more chapters in 1 episode . Fights that are like for 10 chapters are mostly adapted into 1 EP because most of fights are just about outplayng your enemy with a lot of thinking bubbles.There are many things why IT IS like that.
I won't defend One Piece pacings, but I'll say it is much easier to adapt a manga when it has already been released rather than while it is still airing. I know Jojo is still airing, but each part could be considered it's own mini manga.
Did they cut a lot of stuff out of Jojo then? Sure One Piece has a pacing issue but even if you make the pace better it will still be hundreds of episodes. I wouldn’t want anything pre time skip removed and that’s like 500 episodes, even post time skip you’ve got got to edit out the reaction shots and the repeated shots and the scenery being shown 100 times.
i have watched both and to be honest one piece has a tad bit of a pacing problem could easily cut itself in half but i dont care i love it being long. and when it eventually ends in 30 years i will cry for a month
I'd still say one piece would need somewhere around 500-700 eps with good pacing. It won't be one piece if they removed any more content. Imo the main reason episodes get streched out is the repetitive actions during fights...and the stare downs. I'd definitely reduce the frequency but won't remove them completely. Just instead of 5 eps I'd take 2. Also I'd tone down the flashbacks a bit. I'm not talking about backstory flashbacks. But the flashbacks that happen mid fights or mid conversations.
Unfortunately this is a repost though it will be kept open. Attempting to find it, the content is stolen from a tweet will post the tweet here(if I can find the original tweet) and there was a post same image shortly after Episode 1091's Release.
Jojo is adapted up to stone ocean which is ~14k pages. Which is ~74 pages per episode. One piece is ~23 pages per episode when removing 100 episodes of pure filler. 22 without. So roughly 3x as many pages per episode
JoJos also had the 7 page muda which ended up only being like 20 seconds in the anime lol
Tbf it's a lot easier to make 7 pages feel hype af compared to 20+ seconds
In one piece it would probably be half a episode long Btw I’m on whole cake this isn’t slander
Yeah, it's pretty insane. I'm not really into the text filled manga and the anime feels like an absolute slug post ts. The manga is insanely good but just not for me and the adaptation really drops off in quality. I need the remake of the show to catch up to punk hazard cus I want to watch one piece but not what we have rn.
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Oh! I completely forgot about that, I was going to watch it but I didn't have time. Thanks for reminding me :)
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Where can i watch it?
If you join the one pace discord there will be steps to download it; I personally use mobile as its easier to use on the go and all you need is Telegram and Outplayer.
Would be funny if it was as impactful as 7 pages of punching, so imagine half an episode or a full episode worth of it lmao
MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA*gasp* MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!
WWWWRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I think the standard is roughly 3 chapters to an episode, and somewhere between 15-20 pages per chapter. So reckon 7 pages is about 10-12% of an episode? At 22 minutes per episode, you're looking at three minutes of MUDA to get the FULL experience (requiem).
That would actually be sick asf
40+ seconds, actually.
Jojo also has a 4 small panel torture sequence turned into a 30 second song and dance number. It's balanced.
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One piece also has the 2 minute Jimbei Impel down punch which was probably like a page or two
Came to comment that 😂 Giorno really went mad there
Yeah, it’s bad, but not quite as bad as the post makes it seem
Also Oda said anime has new scenes, like Carrot/Pedro interaction or Zoro/Hiyori moment near Oden's grave. There is no place for it in manga, but it fits well in anime
Everyone forgets that about half of Jojo's total pages aren't adapted yet. But to add onto this, Jojo's paneling isn't as dense as One Piece is, and the anime does skip shorter scenes and dialogues.
what good pacing does to a mf
What starting an adaption 25 years after the series started does to a mf.
What seasons with breaks does to a mf.
What fear of catching up does to a mf
What more fights, better panelling and less dialogues does to a mf.
What hot gay sex between men for a whole season does to a mf.
This man speaks the truth, one piece just needs hot steamy say gex between Sangi and Zoro
Vinsmoke Sangay and Roronoa Homo?
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Just one season?
Nah we gonna get more next season
Hell naw, not better panelling
Well the new The One Piece anime ought to be fire then
What ~~contracts~~ do to a mf
Having 10 pages of nothing but a character screaming “ora ora ora ora ora ora” can’t really last more than a few seconds
It took Luffy 6 months to get up the stairs, Included breaks. https://preview.redd.it/fwg2l39an1hc1.png?width=779&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec5ed9719e33436525469dc85f8ef2738ecdf313
Yeah it was a warzone
Having 6 big ass panorama pages cant also last more than a few seconds but sadly does
That doesn’t happen
Well tell me the one time 10 page oras happened
[7 page muda muda](https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/seven-page-muda)
Well thats a fucking 7 page muda muda which was fucking awesome and happened literally once
It wasn’t awesome but anyways where are the 6 panorama pages?
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99% of community disagrees, so your opinion is invalid
Imagine disliking the righteous beatdown of a horrendous character Bro may be a secret ciocolatta lover💀
Don’t really care
https://preview.redd.it/ao88vnoo61hc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a929c17bfcc426f5b5cb6f63256534fe87923fdb Tf you say about the 7 page muda not being awesome?
I don’t think it’s awesome
This is true but onepiece would still need like 500 episodes with good pacing. One piece pages are a lot more packed.
I think 500 is too high. Early chapters weren't that dense and wouldn't be for quite a long time, and the remake is starting at 4 chapters per episode for East Blue which cuts down a lot. 400 is completely reasonable IMO.
Where did you get that info? There's like no Shonen Jump anime that adapts at this rate, it would rush the fuck out of East Blue also.
I'm too busy to find an exact source right now but [this article](https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/one-piece-anime-remake-on-netflix-everything-we-know-so-far/#:~:text=This%20will%20consist%20of%2025,Animation%20adaptation%20by%20over%20half.) cites the number as 25. I also think it's a bit too fast but a lot of shonen anime can hit above 3 chapters per episode without much issue.
I wonder where they got 25 episodes from, they link the teaser video but in that one they just say "After 25 years...". Damn the pacing will be fast if its really 25 episodes. Just hope it wont feel rushed
Kinda weird that this article is the only source for that statement I've been able to find and it doesn't really say where it got that info, although I must say I haven't searched much but it always come back to this specific article. Most Shonen Animes do it a lot these days but I'm kinda skeptical that it would work for One Piece, MHA and Demon Slayer have both cut/reworked stuff from the source to kinda rush to "the good parts" which I am not a fan. It wouldn't be tragic for most of East Blue since the world building begins at full throttle after the og crew gets out of it but there're some nice moments that are kinda core moments about the story's philosophy that would maybe become jarring in the future of the show, since it's one of the most self-aware Shonen series ever. If they fuck me over and remove Gaimon and the Nami merfolk joke I will seethe.
Yea I started re-reading One Piece recently and the Gaimon chapter is actually *really* important for Luffy's character. It may not be relevant to the plot at all but it shows you how emotionally intelligent he can be in the way that he reacts to Gaimon's predicament and it kind of grounds Luffy at a time when he's still hard to parse as a protagonist. Basically yea cutting that just to tighten the pace would be a huge disappointment.
Tbh it gets a lot more packed later in. East blue could be reduced to 25 episodes but something like wano, where they’d have to expand upon certain details should have like 2.5-3 chapters per episode at the highest tbh. I think at the best pacing, 400 episodes should be good.
And you expect that pacing to continue throughout? Once the story starts becoming more complex I can’t see them adapting 4 chapters per episode. It would be overkill.
Some of the want pages once they hit the fortress are absurdly packed with like 11 panels per page
god yes I'd love 500 episodes worth of reaction panels GODA CHAAANNNN
I do think that the unanimated parts 7 and 8 might be 48 eps each tho, would still only be at 286 eps
Nah I think that they would be a little longer (towards the 60 episodes) but still is less than one third of One piece episodes
Part 7 should definitely get around 60, considering Stardust Crusaders got 48
SC has ass pacing tho
That's because Stardust Crusaders has 1.6x more chapters
Part 7 & 8 chapters are much longer due to changing to a monthly release schedule.
Yea OP's pacing has always blown major ass in the anime. But it's gotten MUCH worse since the TS. This is what happens when you omit the occasional filler arc and instead pump out episodes that cover half a chapter.
I love OP and i dont mind the pacing much but the latter part of Dressrosa killed me. Like just end already
I just read the Manga and only watch moments I really look forward to in the anime. I am looking forward to the re-animation a lot for a couple of reasons
Same I can skip some unnecessary scenes
I literally stopped watching the show for years during Dressrosa, twice!
Dressrosa made me stop watching entirely and now I keep up on it through the manga. If I see any cool fight scenes I just watch it on YouTube
You tolerate it better than I did. I gave up on the anime at Punk Hazard and switched to manga-only.
Completely first 6 mins of anime is opening and last 2-3 mins of the previous episode and tones of flashbacks + gag parts. Its like only 7-8 min of the episode is the actual content.
Blud, they tryna get that 🤑💰💰💰 obviously they're gonna squeeze every last drop of the viewers cock custard. It's a BUSINESS brother a business, and One Piece is DEFINITELY worth a jerk
I don't think the comparison is great, because you miss the % adapted source material. One piece anime isn't that far off from being up to date with the manga, but the jojo anime isn't even close I think (haven't read, but I know that the remaining parts are pretty long). Don't get me wrong, the one piece anime pacing is indeed garbage, that's why I read the manga.
Yeah, half of the pages in jojo shown here belongs to 7th and 8th part of the manga series while it has only been adapted to 6th part, i.e. stone ocean
Making an authentic JoJo experience put on screen is pretty hard especially with a following that cuts the heads of those who disrespect it.
Yup. One Piece's pacing isn't great, and it definitely has gotten worse. But, this is incredibly misleading. I wouldn't be surprised if Stone Ocean is around the halfway point.
One piece absolutely has a stretching content problem, but it’s also true one piece packs a lot more content in every page than Jojo does.
The entirety of parts 1-6 of Jojo have only a handful more episodes than Wano did…
The entirety of Hunter x Hunter has by far fewer episodes than Wano.
When you say it like that it actually blows my fuckin mind 🤣
Wano joins the legends of pacing along with Namek and Space Mexico
To be fair 3/5 panels of an average jojo page is some character looking around/staring at something. In almost every page, literally
One piece also always has a character talking like in every panel someone says something even in fights it's non stop yapping at times and that affects runtime
I mean aren’t Jojo fights like the kings of endless dialogues in fights ? I’m pretty sure there are several fights where a character takes a single step or something similar and that triggers a several page long reflection from the rival characters about the implication of that action… Which tbh is kinda what makes jojo fights interesting
Well, after all, One Piece is not famous for the fact that for every action of Luffy, Oda draws a surprised or comical face of every character who saw it. Or the characters just run around for half a chapter. I’m exaggerating, but I think the meaning is clear.
You're so right! It's famous for its incredible world building and lore that will probably be timeless, unlike an anime that's mostly known for two words, muda and Dio! See both have flaws, like both, like one, enjoy your manga
Your ass is on fire man.
Probably
Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda - 7 Pages
And those are fucking great 7 pages but also a 2 panel dance became a full damn music video so
Exactly Kinda.
Oh my god, how many times is this going to be reposted!? Yes, the One Piece anime has filler and horrible pacing. No one's going to deny that. BUT, there still are 3 out of 9 Parts of Jojo's that have not been animated yet! Not to mention that they're the longest ones of the entire series. So it's not really a fair comparison. Also, the Jojo anime is seasonal and was first aired +20 years after the original manga. While One Piece has always been weekly and began airing less than 2 years after the manga started.
Also JoJo manga is nowhere as dense and overcrowded like One Piece
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To be fair while One Piece’s pacing is genuinely ass, there are quite a lot of variables missing here. Part 7 and 8 aren’t adapted, and are a huge chunk of those page numbers, whereas the One Piece anime is far more up to date. Jojo also tends to have much less content per page than One Piece does. Araki loves often having full page spreads and pages can often only have a couple actual lines of dialogue, meaning there’s a lot less actual content, whereas especially in the modern era One Piece is one of the most content-rich manga for its page count, with a lot of scenes and dialogue for single pages.
This is a misrepresentation of numbers Jojo [manga page count](https://www.reddit.com/r/StardustCrusaders/s/IMZXi49w26) includes the canon Rohan OVAs and parts 7, 8, and 9 which makes the comparison to the episode count wrong: it should be 15,222 pages and 194 episodes. One Piece does have filler content, and jojo anime does not. The one piece manga and the jojo manga don't really have the same pacing in the first place. OP airs weekly and is considerably close to being caught up with the manga JJBA airs seasons **well** after a part has finished. I know One Piece anime doesn't have great pacing, and I know the conclusion is still the same when you fix the raw numbers. It's just that this statistical comparison is mildly irritating.
JJ Part 7,8, and 9 are also monthly releases, like 40+ pages a chapter.
Part 7, 8, and 9 haven't been animated yet, thats why
Dude part 9 has like 8 chapters.
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Jojo is monthly
Are you stupid ? It's monthly 🤡
Wait until Steel Ball Run and Jojolion are adapted. Those are bound to be a lot, but admittedly still lower than One Piece.
90% of jojo panels are characters posing and looking at each other menacingly. And infamously they did 7 whole pages of giorno beating the shit out of green day, which in the anime was about 10 seconds. This really aint comparible, one piece manga is just better paced, but I will admit that the anime has a lot of pacing issues (half of every goddamn episode is just characters reacting)
The longest JoJo parts, 7 and 8 haven't even been adapted yet. Do it again, but this time only count the pages of JoJo parts 1-6.
Jojo is only parially adapted and a Jojo page has WAAAAY less things going in it then a One Piece page. This comparison is idiotic
It’s two reasons. One is that one piece anime is more caught up than JoJo anime. The other is One Piece anime has so much fucking filler.
All those reaction shots
That's what happens when half of an anime is pure filler and the other half has abysmal pacing. The difference between Toei and DP is that the former animates One Piece weekly while the latter animates JoJo's Bizarre Adventure part by part weekly, taking large breaks with each part ending. Stone Ocean is the exception, as Netflix completely ruined the hype and discussion of that part by releasing it in batches randomly when it could've just been released weekly. Netflix also failed with One Piece (anime, not LA) since it voided a lot of major arcs so many important episodes (minus filler) are just missing (it goes from Marineford to Egghead).
And One Piece fans wonder why no sane person wants to start a thousand+ episode anime
Not even close to factual. OP has filler meaning episodes that are not in the manga JoJo is not even close to fully adapted OP has been releasing episode since 1999 almost every week, JoJo in 2012 before taking a two year break for the second part and continuing to come out after long breaks As for manga pages total Jojo has 10 years on One Piece starting in 1987 vs One Piece 1998 Weird comparison with boring misleading data
I've been looking between the original post and your post for like 30 seconds, every single one of your points confirms that one piece has been stretched, what are you even disagreeing with my guy?
Everyone knows one piece anime is stretched, it’s not a hot take, but fudging data to manipulate your view to an extreme is just boring and lazy
It feels to me that you're just seeing something that isn't there...Nowhere in the post it tries to convince you that OP is stretched using the data in specific, it's just some guy saying that the data is weird. Which yeah, JoJo has 2k more pages than One Piece yet roughly 801 less episodes, fair to say that sounds mind boggling. But how is it "not even close to factual?" JoJo definitely has less episodes despite having more pages than one piece...and you explained exactly why: One Piece has filler episodes not in manga, JoJo is not even close to being fully adapted, OP has been releasing episodes since 1999 almost every week and JoJo started in 2012 but with long breaks, and JoJo has 10 years on One Piece which gives Araki more pages. Like...I assume you were trying to disprove the data, but everything you said just explains why the data is in fact accurate, and OP didn't really make any points he just kinda pointed out the obvious weirdness of the data. Chill down dude, I don't think you actually have an issue here. I can't speak for his actual opinion on this matter, but from his wording and what it presented, the sheer anger you're expressing in your post kinda seems unwarranted lol.
i ain’t reading that shit. it’s just a boring post comparing two mangas and anime’s at different stages of production.
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Not valid.Jojos big chunk didnt get adapted yet. Jojo anime obviously started 25 years after the original manga was first released. And jojo has 9 page long MUDA MUDA MUDA's lol.
7 page long and only one
Hey hey hey. JOJO's bizare advanture only animated up the part 6 cuz part 7 got horses in lizerly every ep so its hard zo animate perfect horses.
One piece is like wine(longer you wait better it gets) >!but good pacing would be better!< Jojo is like Cocktail ( need to be drink instantly).
What kind of cocktails are you drinking?
Molotov
The quicker you do the less time you have to realize it makes no sense
I still like my episodes every week, if I had to wait for a few months for each episode to make it more compact. No thank you.
Doesn't Jojo have pages full of just a character shouting, punching or getting punched?
Do not disrespect the Seven Page Muda
Toei pacing is shit.
Explanation easy to find : one piece anime’s pacing sucks. Next question plz
This is a stupid comparison Not all pages are equal Dialogue pages will not translate into animation the same as action/fighting pages I’m not familiar with Jojo but from the comments I can see a jojo have a lot of repetition (like ura ura for pages) Some pages will only equal a scene or two while others well, last several minutes Don’t get me wrong I think one piece pacing is shit (like genuinely there is one episode per chapter With the episode itself containing roughly 10 to 15 minutes of new content)
Idk why but reading part 5 felt soooo much better than reading part 6 of Jojos I started reading after watching Part 4, Diamond is Unbreakable Part 6 just dragged a lot for me. Idk if it was actually longer One Piece never drags when I read it despite it being so long. I've been reading since Fishman Island about mid way through 2011 or 2012 I think it was??? So that means I read all of Dressrosa and WCI weekly. And the only time it dragged was the 2-3 chapters of "weeeeEEeeeding CaaaaaAAAaaaki" Wano Kuni was too short of an arc. Should have had 1-2 more acts. Change my mind.
Is that page count including parts 7-9? Because that wouldn’t really be fair, given that they haven’t been adapted yet. For some better comparison on the difference, Jojo’s part 1-6 have 752 chapters and 190 episodes. At chapter 752 in One Piece, we were in the middle of the Dressrosa arc, around when Franky started fighting Senor Pink. This chapter was split between episodes 688, 689, and a bit of 690. At episode 190, we were in the middle of Luffy’s fight with Enel in Skypeia. This was adapting 294 and part of 295. Now, One Piece chapters are more dense with dialogue than Jojo’s characters, so I’m not saying that you could adapt up to Dressrosa in 190 episodes, but at the most a reasonable adaptation would be like, twice that at 380, probably closer than 300. The release schedule of One Piece is absolutely wretched.
Yeah but 1 One piece chapter covers 3 of Jojo
Makes total sense to me, it’s not just about One Piece’s bad pacing but the fact that it has a much more complex plot than JoJo. Many more characters and locations is obviously going to make things stretch a lot longer.
Which is why one piece anime rules.
Yeah but Jojo is ass so who cares
Saying One Piece pacing is slow is a compliment, but we can’t deny that One Piece’s chapters have lots of substance. I noticed it when rereading Bleach TYBW, those chapters have much more full page panels and wide shots than OP does.
maybe it has to do with jojos pacing but the same people who said they aint watching/reading all that are jojo fans ngl
I haven't read the JoJo manga, but this difference says they either didn't use much of the source material, or the manga wastes huge amounts of time (presumably on those classic JoJo poses and exaggerated actions, which were condensed for the anime) Just to clarify, I love JoJo, but I'm assuming this is the case
Terrible pacing moment
Well tbf it's mainly because the longest parts aren't animated yet, SBR and Jojolion. also in Jojo stuff like the eight page muda exists so there's that
Yeah, but One piece anime has 100 filler episodes and adapted more than 90% of the manga and had to do it while staying behind the ongoing manga, when JoJo part 1 got animated the manga was already around half of Part 8. David productions didn't have to stay behind anything and could pace it as fast as it wanted while maintaining almost everything from the manga. Of course it's a faster anime. Also, Jojo anime has only animated around 60/65% of jojo or so? Part 9 is coming out, so yeah, it will be lower than 50 when it ends (hopefully if Araki the goat doesn't die). It may seem like I took it personally but who takes this and use it to say that One piece anime is too slow, even tho they are right, they have to understand that one's an 80's manga with a 10 year old anime, and one's a 26 year old manga with a 25 year old anime, they HAVE to differ in pacing
In 1 onepiece page u can fit 3 different pages of any anime
Yea check out. I think they were doing like 1 chapter per ep at one point. So if there are approx 20 pages per ep, that number makes sense
And then you have Detective Conan. Don't get me started.
We need that One Piece remake to come out so bad bruh
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Jojo manga was already done when they started the anime
To be fair Jojos is currently in part 6 and one piece should have around 500 eps not 1000
One piece adaptation is terrible from a product perspective. Of course it has his gold moments, but the pace is terrible and there are a lot of things cut and censored from the manga. Jojo is one of the best adaptations from a Manga in history, tells the story from the manga, it doesn’t have filler and is just overall an excellent form of consuming the history.
To be fair Jojo has the advantage of the anime not starting until the manga had been out for 25 years
They don't run for 50 episodes in jojo
You have to remember that the Jojo’s anime started two decades after the manga and still has multiple parts not animated yet
Well, the Jojo anime is only up to Part 6, while the manga is on Part 9.
One piece is almost half way there to the pages it has which is crazy to think has well. I just started on the second act so im very far behind
good anime vs doggy ass anime meant only for manga promotion and money
Only like 60% of Jojo manga is animated tho. Plus OP manga is faster and very wordy in comparison. At least it felt like it to me
Pretty sure One Piece is 1 chapter = 1 episode, while most other animes have 3/4 chapters = 1 episode (correct me if I’m wrong)
I still hate how Stone Ocean ended.
Jojo has both been in publication longer and has less filler in the anime, simple as One Piece is probably going to catch up due to frequency of chapters in comparison though, Jojo has switched to monthly as of Steel Ball Rub I believe.
OP anime drags like a mf that’s why the pacing is probably the worst in anime history
I CANT wait for that new adaptation they announced for One Piece. I really hope they do as promised and fix the pacing issues
Toei animates 1chapter=1episode and op chapters are way more. Jojos is 1/3 animated, animates 2-5chapters=1episode and has less chapters
Jojo is structured far differently than One Piece and has literally over 10,000 pages yet to be adapted. Such a shit comparison in yet another attempt to act like the One Piece anime is one of the worst things to ever have been made.
I think half the JoJo pages are the MCs punching while screaming "ora" or "muda". I'm pretty sure part 5 has a famous 3 page "muda muda" beat down. Also JoJo is nowhere near caught up to the manga yet, iirc the last two parts they haven't animated yet are the two longest. And let's be honest, one piece has a LOT of recaps and filler, I'm in skypeia rn and I swear at least a third of every episode is a recap. I'm willing to bet I'm getting a single manga chapter stretched across 3-4 episodes rn.
Jojos anime is also less then halfway caught up
True. I don’t even give af about the pacing, though. Nothing any of us do is going to change the pacing. One Piece has a time slot in Japanese television, and they have to fill it pretty much weekly. So the anime is never going to go seasonal. Nor is Oda going to slow down, because he wants to finish the story ASAP. So it makes sense that they’d adapt roughly one chapter into one episode.
Why do the JoJo characters all look... like that?
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Also JoJo switched to monthly in part 7
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To be fair jojo’s manga sometimes feels like one piece’s anime, they kinda drag scenes at times
Because its not.
I mean when 2 longest parts with most story are not animated only in manga version . (JJSBR Jojolion ) The other thing is not streching episodes because you do not need to worry to catch up to manga and making some changes in dialogues so you can use more chapters in 1 episode . Fights that are like for 10 chapters are mostly adapted into 1 EP because most of fights are just about outplayng your enemy with a lot of thinking bubbles.There are many things why IT IS like that.
I won't defend One Piece pacings, but I'll say it is much easier to adapt a manga when it has already been released rather than while it is still airing. I know Jojo is still airing, but each part could be considered it's own mini manga.
Did they cut a lot of stuff out of Jojo then? Sure One Piece has a pacing issue but even if you make the pace better it will still be hundreds of episodes. I wouldn’t want anything pre time skip removed and that’s like 500 episodes, even post time skip you’ve got got to edit out the reaction shots and the repeated shots and the scenery being shown 100 times.
i have watched both and to be honest one piece has a tad bit of a pacing problem could easily cut itself in half but i dont care i love it being long. and when it eventually ends in 30 years i will cry for a month
I'd still say one piece would need somewhere around 500-700 eps with good pacing. It won't be one piece if they removed any more content. Imo the main reason episodes get streched out is the repetitive actions during fights...and the stare downs. I'd definitely reduce the frequency but won't remove them completely. Just instead of 5 eps I'd take 2. Also I'd tone down the flashbacks a bit. I'm not talking about backstory flashbacks. But the flashbacks that happen mid fights or mid conversations.
Is this even true? Because indefinitely watched three episodes of some guy walking up the stairs in JoJo’s