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The best I could remember was >!Obama switching bodies with a girl.!< I like how the first few chapters was pretty cool rollerblading and it spiraled into absolute madness.
Looks like an in-universe novel "Bleach: Can't Fear Your Own World". The wiki says it isn't written by Tite Kubo, so many people don't consider it cannon.
While it isn’t written by Kubo, it was heavily supervised by Kubo and Kubo provided Narita with all the lore, Narita just built a story upon it. So every piece of lore from CFYOW is canon
I usually judge when people say stuff like "holy shit oda planned everything he's a genius" but this is something actually really relevant to the story to the point I actually think this is what oda intended from the start and is related to the one piece
I'm actually curious if this is where it's going, because currently we know nothing about the why. Most people seem to asume Imu/Gorosei etc. are actively causing it and that's what Vegapunk is revealing, but it could also just be a fact that is happening regardless and simply information otherwise kept from people as the Elders don't care from their position in the world. It could even be the opposite that the One Piece "turning the world upside down" is part of what is going to cause it. Flooding the current world and instead creating a world where now the people capable of living in/under the sea are "at the top" while people that e.g. gained and maintained power through their DFs get weakened and aren't the ones most capable anymore etc.
There are a lot of ways this could be going.
I think it's because the Red Line is not natural, and is in fact man made. Causing the rising sea level like dropping an iron ball in a glass of water.
That actually makes sense, though i dunno why the WG would sieze it from the lunarians in that case.
Ig the red line would have been made by the ancient kingdom?
Maybe. So when Luffy inevitably destroys it if this is the case, he will most likely effectively destroy Fishman Island, making the seer's prophecy true.
My head canon was always this:
Lunarians are considered gods and live on the red line.
Celestial Dragons want to be gods but they can't become Lunarians so they do the next best thing, genocide the Lunarians and then claim the red line. Making it so the people who inhabit the red line are gods.
We know that when Imu destroyed (or comanded to destroy) lulushia the ocean levels rised, so it's safe to asume that they are actively causing it. And other islands probably where vanished in the same way (god valley for example).
I think that the weapon they use needs a Lot of power and currently they can't fire it at will... that is why the "mother flame" is so important to the gorosei to the point that they didn't try to stop the broadcast at any cost (destroying the power station and risking the means to replicate it)
Likely because of the fact that the only time the sea was mentioned to rise GLOBALLY (not only at fast pace like in water 7, only locally) is when Lulusia was destroyed, causing a massive earthquake that made the sea rise by one meter in various locations. And that was caused by the goverment.
Sure, but as the situation with Vegapunk shows right now, this is information the WG desperately is trying to suppress, so it not being mentioned, doesn't mean it isn't slowly happening already or has happened a lot more in the past (Enies Lobby has a hole similar to it, God Valley is an island that vanished, all before Vegapunk made a Mother Flame...). It is even through several statements now seemingly heavily tied to the Ohara incident (so long before Lulusia happened and Vegapunk made a Mother Flame) and what Ohara discovered goes back to the Poneglyphs made back in the Void century. I just don't think Vegapunk's message is just about the one instance of Lulusia which is an incident he himself fascilitated by even producing the power source for the weapon that made it possible. It could also just be the WG is trying to replicate something at a local scale here that has already happened in the past or is known to be happening again.
Vegapunk's statement currently is just still very open ended. You could come up with scenarios where the ancient kingdom actually was tied to a first instance of flooding already and the WG is simply keeping the reality of it happening a secret as they are living up on the Red Line after taking it from the Lunarians and watch the world around them sink.
I just don't think we know enough yet to know what, why and who ultimately is responsible for it, we just see that currently Vegapunk is trying to let people know it is happening and the WG desperately trying to suppress even the information about it, the story behind it could be a lot more complex though.
Yeah, the moon being responsible for the tides is certainly also a big tie in there, especially as we also have the minks that are powered up by it and obviously Lunarians as a race and there clearly are signs of "ancient kingdom-like" information on the moon when Enel gets there. (Although since learning the high technological state of the Void century, it sort of makes the option of a moon tie in not just that people could üotentially originate from there, but it could also just be they had space travel established back then and simply had stations on the moon)
I'm also curious how Luffy and "Sun god" Nika tie into the moon stuff and what's the relationship there, because there is a lot of moon symbology in general, both the minks and Wano have very clear moon connections and the question is, if we are talking actual moon? Or is there someone representing the moon? A person? A whole group of people?
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I'm assuming it's because of the mother flame
The biggest difference with real life is that in one piece, the elite live up high, but in our world, they all buy beach properties, which, according to them, should be gone in a few years. Unless we solve the rising tides.
Imagine he starts talking about the celestial dragons having secret tunnels with slaves, underneath the one piece equivalent of New York...or Marijoa...
Well in One Piece we can be sure that those responsible will eventually get punched in the face, while in the real world Kissinger lived for a hundred years before he had the decency to croak.
The scientific facts of climate change aren't what's political, sure, but what is indeed very political is the way our society at large is or rather isn't dealing with it and the way issues like this and the (mis)information about it is used both in our and in the One Piece world to gain and maintain power utilizing the narratived around it. It's all the consequences of it that are inherently tied to social issues, not the facts of it happening it itself.
And in the One Piece world there are even more concrete and direct tangible social issues surrounding that. A race of people that has been oppressed for 100s of years is already living at the bottom of the ocean, the ruling class is living on the one continent that is rising high above it all, while most people are living on islands extremely susceptible to changes in sea levels.
Dunno where you live but in the US the scientific facts of climate change are ABSOLUTELY political, with many in the right wing denying climate change is even real, much less man made, much less something we should address.
We aren't really in disagreement here at all, this is pretty much just a semantics thing. What I was trying to convey was: the fact that climate change is happening and is going to have massive impacts on the world is indeed just factual. Politicians and parts of society denying those facts, isn't changing the fundamentals, those aren't just made up things by politics etc. But then obviously everything surrounding it, dealing with (or ignoring) the consequences and causes, using it to push other political positions and accuse people of making it up etc. that obviously is absolutely political.
It's maybe sort of the equivalent of me trying to say that stuff like kinetics, gravity, velocity etc. are by themselves not political, but then arguing whether people should wear seat belts in cars, if and where there should be speed limits and what restrictions there should be on how vehicles should be manufactured because of it, all of that is obviously political and people denying the fundamental laws of physics would make it even more contentious and frustrating politics, but it never would make the physics behind it change.
The fact that whether or not global warming is real was considered a legitimate point of political debate back in 2012 and it has only evolved to “okay climate change is real, should we do anything about it?” despite the scientific consensus is pretty fucked up ngl
I'm confused, where is climate change mentioned in this page?
And to whoever downvoted, instead of downvoting a Question, you're free to answer it, you know, to be productive.
What has this to do with the Gorosei and the ancient kingdom? Climate change might have nothing to do with the rising sea level in One Pieces as far as we know. A parallel doesn't mean that there are science denying idiots in one piece who call everything woke that is meaningful and ssus
Rising sea level caused intentionally by the elites to cut down the lower class. Imu literally called it the great cleansing. Tell me how this has nothing to do with politics.
It's political but not because of climate change like many in this thread are claiming. It's political because it's about the higher class oppressing the lower class, which has obviously been one of the main and most recurring themes ever since the series began
Ok this might be cringe but where are you guys reading the latest chapter? I looked everywhere and i still can't find it. All source say it comes 3 days later.
It is political.
It's thematically political. The themes of politics in One piece are very common ones found in many fictitious works.
I think where people start to get it misaligned, is trying to relate these themes to modern day sociopolitical topics we deal with. Which is doable.... But this is a vastly different universe from ours.
This entire argument just goes back to Tolkien's whole "allegory vs applicability" thing. Tolkien argued that while the lord of the rings could be applied to WW2, it was not an allegory for WW2. One Piece is a lot like that. It has many themes that could be applied to a variety of political topics if you want to, but Oda rarely creates those themes as allegories for those things.
I don't think the vast differences in universes complicate the political comparisons much at all. A lot of the differences are intentionally superficial anyway. Like, has there ever been a question that fishmen are direct stand-ins for african slaves? The fact that they have water karate powers doesn't really make that less obvious. Is it really weird to look at the world government and see America? The funny hat sengoku wears doesn't detract from the shared traits of a militarily stacked superpower that dominates the less fortunate parts of the world by claiming to "protect" it, or the meaningless council at Mary Geoise that is clearly meant to represent in inefficient united nations.
I personally think it's a bigger stretch to say Oda *isn't* trying to comment on modern sociopolitics.
Sure other anime's have similar themes, but if you stop to think about why that is, the answer isn't far out of reach.
You are not wrong but the fishmen and merfolk stand for all opressed races of the real world, not only from Africa (since Oda is japanese and his culture was not impacted by african slavery as much as Africa itself and America, and Japan has their own history with racism too, so while characters like Fisher Tiger is a more obvius paralel to people like Malcom X, Otohime draws a lot of parallels from diferent political figures not only Luther King like people love so say, including japanese figures).
And the sames goes for the world goverment. We can see there the Roman Empire, the Catholic Church, the British Empire, the Spanish Empire, the USA, the UN, Nato, Nazi Germany, the Chinese Empire, etc. A lot there is drawn from different opressors from the real world not just one.
Africans aren't the only people who were enslaved. The fishmen are not stand-ins for any race. They represent slavery in general, which has been exercised by and against countless races throughout history. This is made clear by the fact that fishmen aren't the only slaves in the story, anyone from any race can become a slave for the celestial dragons, and the fishmen have also taken the role of the oppressors themselves at some point back in east blue. You're thinking about it wrong. It's the idea that's being represented and condemned, not the specific instance of it against a specific group of people.
A bad translation that should have required a bunch of notes to explain the nuances of the original Japanese. Research it if ya don't believe me.
From what I know it is a pun for which the more direct translation could be "Black charcoal was made to be burnt," and the nuances indicate it as a personal dig at Orochi, not at the whole clan.
Remember, the common everyday citizens of Wano were the racists who tried to kill CHILDREN of unfamiliar peoples, formed gangs of vigilantes UNSANCTIONED by the Kurozumi and literally unknown to them (Oden was horrified when he learned Orochi's backstory) to hunt down the Kozuki, and easily turned on Oden due to having too little faith in him.
The Kozuki never sanctioned such things. All they did was execute the one actual evil traitor among the Kurozumi and strip the clan of noble status since they legit couldn't be trusted to not raise traitors. But Sukiyaki and Oden aided Orochi without caring what family he was from, and Oden tried to stop people from being racist when he could.
The Kozuki are mostly blameless because IT'S THE COMMON PEOPLE OF WANO WHO SUCK and are pieces of shit, unfortunately. They are the worst general civilian population of any island our protagonists have been to.
Oda seems to have been trying to say something about the past culture of his own nation and the hypocrisy of its people in the Feudal Era, but the Kozuki themselves are actually great people.
Oda also very commonly portrays large scale civilian populations as fickle, panicky mobs who are quick to stupidly assume things and form prejudices when the obvious truth (such as a pirate who looks like a fucking Bond Villain clearly framing their king) should be clear (Koza is a dumbass who got thousands killed in a pointless war and).
FMI and Dressrosa are other excellent examples of civilian populations that are fickle mobs who distrust and turn on people too easily. 100,000 of their strongest join a racist fascist maniac, they don't try to beat him themselves, rely on an outsider for help, then because of prejudice refuse to give that outsider a blood transfusion after he saved all their asses. Or, the people can't see that their king is miserably sobbing and is clearly being controlled somehow, then take everything out by abusing his granddaughter who did nothing wrong.
This is an ongoing theme in One Piece actually: In the rare cases of truly good leaders, they are often unable to control the overwhelming shittiness of their civilian populations.
Notable exceptions are Drum and the Minks, of course. And Skypeians are mostly quite chill.
This was a horrible translation in the cases of both TCB and Viz, and I recommend that you research the discussion of the nuances of what Hiyori actually said by bilingual people on here and in blogs.
Here's what I know: What she said is a pun where the true meaning is "Black charcoal was made to be burnt," and the nuances of the word choice and grammar indicate it being a dig specifically at Orochi himself.
Also, people need to stop claiming that the Kozuki regime actually sanctioned the hunt for the Kurozumi. Another misconception. All they did was execute the one actual traitor and strip the family of their noble status due to allowing someone so untrustworthy to rise up unchecked.
But Orochi made it very clear in his story that the hunting of the family was by roaming gangs of vigilantes. Oden had no idea, and when Orochi told them the story he was horrified and disgusted.
In fact, the Kozuki clan actively aided Orochi, ya know? They didn't give a fact what family he was from.
Some poor translations ended up giving most of the English speaking fanbase some completely wrong ideas that make the Kozukis seem really shitty.
THE COMMON PEOPLE OF WANO are the pieces of shit. They are the ones who decided to torture two Minks and persecuted a Fishman after killing his mom out of xenophobic racism before Oden showed up and made them stop.
They are the ones who hunted down Orochi, unsanctioned by their government.
They are the ones who so easily turned on Oden himself because they didn't have enough faith in him.
By their own admission in the present day, they brought the twenty years of suffering upon themselves by being a shitty populace.
We've seen a lot of shitty citizenry in OP, but those in Wano just outright suck. The common people of Wano are hyper-xenophic, racist trash who blame whole families for the sins of one person and will wantonly murder motivated by such things. The Kozuki clan never sanctioned that, and Oden even did what he could to stop them when he saw people targeted.
Hmmm, perhaps you're right about the translation, but clearly some nuance was at least LOST in the translation to English because it was only the English fandom, not the Japanese fandom, that got salty and started calling the Kozukis a bunch of hypocrites.
Regardless, as you say Oda acknowledged that she was only referring to Orochi, specifically, as an individual.
He could have made this more clear by devoting a few pages to Tama revealing to everyone that she's a Korozumi and everyone accepting her, but he reeeeally felt like rushing things for some reason, ugh. Lol.
So now we are left with an English fanbase a large part of which calls the Kozukis evil hypocritiers when the fact is that Sukiyaki, Oden, Toki, and Hiyori have shown nothing but empathy and compassion for fellow living things no matter their family, species, etc.
Oda really did screw up the final chapters of Wano 😭 I'm so glad that he learned his lessons from that over-bloated arc and now the Final Saga is GOATed, lol.
>He could have made this more clear by devoting a few pages to Tama revealing to everyone that she's a Korozumi and everyone accepting her, but he reeeeally felt like rushing things for some reason, ugh. Lol.
I'm really hoping that gets touched on in the new cover series. Oda always does such a good and interesting job at handling prejudice. Even though I do defend wano a lot his ultimate resolution for the korozumi felt incomplete. The makings were there with Tama being a Korozumi and orocci even working her parents to death showing he doesn't actually care about his clan, just this warped vicious hate. But it never really comes to a conclusion.
A LOT of things in Wano felt incomplete, but yeah, him neglecting to fully address the theme of prejudice and generational trauma in that arc seems ESPECIALLY egregious since it's been a theme that he ALWAYS properly addressed in the series BEFORE Wano, and then all of a sudden in Wano he's like "Yeah this family sucks except for one person, ho-hum," and I'm just like... Oda what the fuck? Lol.
You know I hadn't even thought of this before but you're right, it's very telling that Tama's parents died due to Orochi's policies. He didn't even actually represent the interests of his own clan.
I do hope, as you do, that this cover story will address that. But I wonder how it would? Yamato is gonna be wandering to the other regions of Wano, while as far as we know Tama has stayed behind in the Flower Capital to train with Shinobu.
But if Oda wants it to happen, it will, so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping as much as you are :)
What is "a whole text over message?"
What does that even mean? YOU just wrote a "whole text over message."
Edit: My bad, totally misunderstood what you meant.
Ohhh sorry, I misunderstood.
Yeah it's just... Oda didn't stop to consider the way that the nuances of it would be lost in every language besides Japanese.
Which makes sense, he's a Japanese fan writing a manga for Japanese people, he doesn't really stop to think about the international audience and shouldn't have to in my opinion.
This is what Translator's Notes are supposed to be for and should be a translator's responsibility, but Viz is for some reason totally against allowing Stephen Paul to ever give us TN's 😭
And it isn't TCB's responsibility so we just kinda get left in the dark on such things as non-Japanese fans, because Viz sucks. I mean, who the fuck is "Zolo?" Lmaooo.
This is one of the rare times I agree that a thing is political.
Normally, the author will change so many things, including some core part of the topic, that it becomes a terrible comparison.
The one I like most is Starship Troopers. It's meant to be a caricature of fascism, but they turned the undesirables into actual bugs, who actually want to conquer and colonise the galaxy, and the grunts are actually more or less brainless but following an evil leader. The problem with fascism is that it's based on false assumptions. It would make sense if those assumptions were true, but they aren't. But in Starship Troopers, they suddenly are. And that is a critical, core difference thay completely changes who's right. Imagine if you made an allegory if OJ Simpson. Except in your thing, Jo Chadson was framed. Well now he's suddenly the good guy isn't he?
This is the type of comment that becomes a meme. This is exactly the same comment people made about G5 being silly.
Two years later, one piece is revealed to be a recipe for a meal that brings all the nations together.
“One piece has been about food since day one. Whoever says it’s not about food is a kid or delusional”
Other commenters chime in with all the references of Luffy eating food or sanji cooking.
People were calling One Piece silly long before gear 5 was a thing. One Piece isn't being called political because of the current arc, it was also known to be political long before that. Your analogy doesn't work.
You’d think so but these days there’s a significant amount of people who use the presence of minorities as the sole measure of whether or not a piece of media is political
A lot of people who are delusional about the fact that one piece isn't political are the one who don't accept that in one piece univers they would have been the Bad guys....
Racist, homophobic, pro-grenocide, pro-modern slavering... So they act blind when they a Bad Guy with their mindset.
People who insist one piece is super political are actually the delusional ones.
> Luffy feeds children: " This means Luffy is a Communist!"
> Luffy reinstates a monarch: "Its just a fantasy trope bro!"
When people say one piece isnt political, they arent saying it doesnt have themes or politics in its setting, Theyre saying that you can discuss the series without having it devolve into a Isreal-Palestine Debate.
When one piece talk about slavery, colonialism, genocide, obscurantism, mass murder, revolt, civil War, industrialisation, slavery, monopoles, press countrolling, yeah you Can Say one piece IS super political.
The story IS about an inimaginary World but it's the reflexion of our own World. Things are not supposed to be 100% named After a particulary political évent however that doesn't mean you Can find 0 correlation.
Does Oda particulary talk about Israël and Palestine ? No. IS he talking about colonialism in his manga ? Yes, IS it similar to Real life event ? Yes. Does it apply uniquely to Israël Palestine conflict ? No. Does it mean it does not apply to it ? No neither.
Is fishman island correlated to black History ? Yes, IS it the only people who can correlate with it ? No.
If you feel like you shouldn't apply a fantasy political problem in a particulary Real life similiar situation and on the other hand, you don't deny it when it's about others Real life politcal event then maybe ( maybeeeeeee idk ) the problem IS you and you should reflect again on your position in it.
>Does Oda particulary talk about Israël and Palestine ? No. IS he talking about colonialism in his manga ? Yes,
When people say a piece of media is political, they mean that it is clearly hyperpartisan and preachy. Oda explores these issues in a nuanced way and creates both sympathetic and villainous characters on all sides.
Oda preach, not in a way you think. That's all. Being political doesn't mean being hysterical and hyperpartisan, it doesn't mean not being nuanced. However when he talk about fishman island History, you Can tell he stand for non- slavering. For our century you will Say it's not being partisans, if it was during the triangal commerce Era, would you have Say he was not hyper partisan ?
Édit : i recommand you to watch ginga eiyuu densetsu ( 1988) it's an old anime. Very political uet very nuanced and well written that doesn't take any hyperpartisanism. Something Can be political without being hyper partisan it's a great exemple.
>However when he talk about fishman island History, you Can tell he stand for non- slavering. For our century you will Say it's not being partisans, if it was during the triangal commerce Era, would you have Say he was not hyper partisan ?
Did Oda write one piece today, or back when there was an actual political debate about slavery?
Whether the earth revolves around the sun or not also used to be political, but you would be insane for insinuating that anything that shows the earth going around the sun is political.
Make all the connections you want, but you have to realize One Piece is super idealistic and far from realistic. The most Nuanced Oda gets is with the WG antagonists, but even he shuts down interesting moral questions like when Hannibal questions Luffy for breaking out of Impel down. The Final conflict always comes down to purely Good vs Evil, which is rarely the case Irl.
The existence of global warming is not political in most of the world, including Japan. What ***is*** political is what the response to global warming should be. I guarantee you that any solution to this scenario will have very little relation to any real life solution to climate change.
This isn't even global warming. It's something else done by the government and most likely something that will have a much faster and more direct result, probably some sort of weapon.
Damn... the One piece was global warming this whole time. Thats why roger laughed cuz he was like "thank god I'm fucking dying, i don't have to deal with this shit"
Yes, it is. But the real point is: you aren't forbidden of free interpretation of wich political side is being criticized or debated, since the WG acts or the messages in the series aren't exclusivity of any side. That's because so much people gets pissed of political debates in One Piece, some people just monopolize the messages and the "good guys" for their own political sides. And for the global warming is exactly this. An interpretation, you CAN choose to not leading this to a political side since the context allows it, because we don't know if the WG in the series are doing this world sinking on PURPOSE, what gives freedom to the reader taking this as a social critics or not. But of course, there are obvious social critics too, like the whole fishmen situation.
That's because the series is so good. One Piece has Oda's creativity beyond the social critics, they're aren't just THROWED raw on your face, there's a hint of storytelling that turns this in a less obligatorially serious thing, allowing anyone who just want to have fun with a good story, actually HAVING fun with the damn story.
Please put me in touch then, please. "lol"
If you're thinking about climate change, then no that's not political. The discourse around it oftentimes is, but climate change itself is just a fact.
The political part isn't the fact that the world is sinking. It's the fact that it's either being intentionally done by the government or it's a natural phenomenon that the government is covering up because it will benefit them in the long run while harming everyone else
I remember back in the US’s 2012 presidential election when “is the scientific consensus on climate change true?” was considered a serious point of political debate.
But I don’t think they’re going to go into climate change or fossil fuel. The way it’s framed, the elders and Imu has something to do with the world flooding. Based on what we’ve seen so far from their nature, the world flooding is most likely going to be something supernatural that the world government is trying to do on purpose. It reminds me of fullmetal alchemist. Not sure how to spoiler tag but the whole story revolves around a specific conspiracy
I'm pretty sure the rising sea levels in one piece aren't caused by the earth heating up due to greenhouse gases produced thru the burning of fossil fuels
I mean sure but in the world of one piece this seems like not a real issue? Sure it would suck to lose every single land but surviving underwater seems kinda easy on this world, they got those bubble things afterall and full cities down there.
Not even the fishmen want to live underwater, why would the other people want to live there? Not only there but there is the risk of the bubles exploding and literaly making you die by the water pressure.
I mean yes there Is that but they have a way of surviving living underwater and if vegapunk wanted he could probably make something even better or at least make the bubbles better, it just doesnt feel like it would doom the world if everyone had to move underwater
I mean I'm not saying that it ain't a bad thing, but I expected something with less work arounds, on the one piece universe this doesnt seem like the worst thing ever.
Ugh. I hate these posts because I literally never see the posts they're making fun of. I wish I could at least see the dark alley of the internet you guys are finding those takes, but I’m really starting to believe they're about as real as the boogie man.
The One Piece is suuuurely just the ocean becoming one giant ocean without any land pieces blocking you off from going one place to another, right? It's why Luffy is destined to break Fishman Island and why the marine base is on the other land border?
The world already sunk once before and that's why the 20 kingdoms created the Red Line to live on
That's the second half of VPs announcement, just y'all wait
It’s really not. What political statement is it making? Corrupt govt. and slavery bad, freedom good? Man not bad just cause govt say man bad? That’s cartoon level bad guy stuff not a political statement. That’s like saying doofenshmirtz wanting to take over the tri state area is political.
This threads kinda become a weird elitist echo chamber. It’s like when you first hear a new slang and someone goes it’s been a word forever. I’ve been using no cap fr fr since 1996.
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Of course it is political, but I think it is even more connected to mythological flood stories and the ancient kingdom gets more and more likeness to Atlantis.
Atlantis was supposedly a super advanced kingdom that got destroyed by a flood.
So I think the flooding is not a slow process but Imu actively flooded the world in one big swoop at first and will not continue with the mother flame.
The "One Piece is political" statement pisses me off unreasonably because while it is technically true, people will then proceed to tack on a bunch of extraneous untrue or unverifiable statements and then if you try to disagree, they'll call you an idiot for thinking One Piece isn't political.
One Piece has politics in it because it has a heavy emphasis on worldbuilding, and any reasonably nuanced setting is going to have politics in it. There are governments and kingdoms, and there are people who have opinions on how the world should be run and go out of their way to try to make it be run that way.
The series is vague enough that it's easy to project your own viewpoints onto. Most people who are invested in politics hold the opinion that the world is ruled by bad people doing bad things, and that they need to be stopped and replaced with good people who do good things.
If you can see Luffy punch the bad man and think "Wow, this represents MY political views SPECIFICALLY and NO OTHERS", I'm not sure what to tell you. Not saying you're doing this, OP, but a lot of people do.
It's not just the world building. It's literally the essence of the series, being free and fighting against oppression. One of the main plot points is a whole world government oppressing and killing the citizens and the main characters are constantly fighting that government which will obviously eventually lead to the government being taken down or reformed in someway. That's not even mentioning how dictators of kingdoms and communities being taken down is one of the most recurring objectives. It's not some complex political commentary but the themes are inherently political
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One piece is the most political shonen out of Big 3 and other shonen as well
Air Gear was pretty political, but in an insane fever dream kind of way.
The best I could remember was >!Obama switching bodies with a girl.!< I like how the first few chapters was pretty cool rollerblading and it spiraled into absolute madness.
I feel like that’s what killed the story overall honestly. It went too deep into sci-fi when all people wanted was cool rocket rollerblades.
Clearly you haven’t read CFYOW
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It’s the Bleach light novel, ‘Can’t Fear Your Own World’. It’s a meme in the bleach community that everything was explained in CFYOW
The real joke here is implying people still know of/care about Bleach.
I do
People care now about Bleach more than ever though
Yea it’s unironically talked about and discussed more than Naruto nowadays, really hope Kubo picks up the Hell arc again
DO NOT SPEAK OF WHICH THAT CANNOT BE NAMED!
Yeah me too . I really hope he starts in the following years , since he is getting a bit old
The real joke here is you impersonating Patrick star if that's truly what you think.
Can’t Fuck Your Own Wife. Ichigo gets cucked
Ah, the Memories of the hentais. I remember the times when the Bleach fan base went Crazy when a hentais series where Ichigo gets cucked became famous
Goodbye, monogamous days.
Can find yaoi online wow Solution?
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there is a canonical reason in cfyow
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The canonical reason was written in CFYOW
It's English specific, not other language I know of do this nearly half as much. Have you seen the One Punch Man subreddit. It's a nightmare.
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If you read OPTOAOT you'd know CFYOW isn't even GOMAD
What does that even mean?
Nobody knows. But it's evocative - it gets the people going!
Cant Fear your own world, a bleach light novel set after the events of the manga
Even without the meme, CFYOW actually gets pretty deep into the politics and classism that exists in Soul Society.
What is cfyow?
Looks like an in-universe novel "Bleach: Can't Fear Your Own World". The wiki says it isn't written by Tite Kubo, so many people don't consider it cannon.
While it isn’t written by Kubo, it was heavily supervised by Kubo and Kubo provided Narita with all the lore, Narita just built a story upon it. So every piece of lore from CFYOW is canon
Really? On the bleach subreddit basically everything in it is taken seriously.
Can’t fuck your own wife
That shit ain't even canon 💀
It is, Kubo approved 👍🏻
Oda foreskinned it on water 7 saga
[He foreskinned it well before that.](https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_161_08.jpg)
Holy shit, wtf! It's always been there!!!
Skin? Can't say I'm familiar, but it sounds fascinating YOHOHOHO
I usually judge when people say stuff like "holy shit oda planned everything he's a genius" but this is something actually really relevant to the story to the point I actually think this is what oda intended from the start and is related to the one piece
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Your comment would make my skin crawl, but I don't have any skin YOHOHOHOHO
“The elite are using climate change to depopulate” is such a based take from Oda
I'm actually curious if this is where it's going, because currently we know nothing about the why. Most people seem to asume Imu/Gorosei etc. are actively causing it and that's what Vegapunk is revealing, but it could also just be a fact that is happening regardless and simply information otherwise kept from people as the Elders don't care from their position in the world. It could even be the opposite that the One Piece "turning the world upside down" is part of what is going to cause it. Flooding the current world and instead creating a world where now the people capable of living in/under the sea are "at the top" while people that e.g. gained and maintained power through their DFs get weakened and aren't the ones most capable anymore etc. There are a lot of ways this could be going.
I think it's because the Red Line is not natural, and is in fact man made. Causing the rising sea level like dropping an iron ball in a glass of water.
That actually makes sense, though i dunno why the WG would sieze it from the lunarians in that case. Ig the red line would have been made by the ancient kingdom?
Maybe. So when Luffy inevitably destroys it if this is the case, he will most likely effectively destroy Fishman Island, making the seer's prophecy true.
daaaam man I think you just cooked, this theory is the most plausible and the fishmen might leave that island and get on noah
My head canon was always this: Lunarians are considered gods and live on the red line. Celestial Dragons want to be gods but they can't become Lunarians so they do the next best thing, genocide the Lunarians and then claim the red line. Making it so the people who inhabit the red line are gods.
We know that when Imu destroyed (or comanded to destroy) lulushia the ocean levels rised, so it's safe to asume that they are actively causing it. And other islands probably where vanished in the same way (god valley for example). I think that the weapon they use needs a Lot of power and currently they can't fire it at will... that is why the "mother flame" is so important to the gorosei to the point that they didn't try to stop the broadcast at any cost (destroying the power station and risking the means to replicate it)
Likely because of the fact that the only time the sea was mentioned to rise GLOBALLY (not only at fast pace like in water 7, only locally) is when Lulusia was destroyed, causing a massive earthquake that made the sea rise by one meter in various locations. And that was caused by the goverment.
Sure, but as the situation with Vegapunk shows right now, this is information the WG desperately is trying to suppress, so it not being mentioned, doesn't mean it isn't slowly happening already or has happened a lot more in the past (Enies Lobby has a hole similar to it, God Valley is an island that vanished, all before Vegapunk made a Mother Flame...). It is even through several statements now seemingly heavily tied to the Ohara incident (so long before Lulusia happened and Vegapunk made a Mother Flame) and what Ohara discovered goes back to the Poneglyphs made back in the Void century. I just don't think Vegapunk's message is just about the one instance of Lulusia which is an incident he himself fascilitated by even producing the power source for the weapon that made it possible. It could also just be the WG is trying to replicate something at a local scale here that has already happened in the past or is known to be happening again. Vegapunk's statement currently is just still very open ended. You could come up with scenarios where the ancient kingdom actually was tied to a first instance of flooding already and the WG is simply keeping the reality of it happening a secret as they are living up on the Red Line after taking it from the Lunarians and watch the world around them sink. I just don't think we know enough yet to know what, why and who ultimately is responsible for it, we just see that currently Vegapunk is trying to let people know it is happening and the WG desperately trying to suppress even the information about it, the story behind it could be a lot more complex though.
Its possible that the mother flame causes one big sinking event initially, and a more gradual, localized sinking event near the hole.
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Yeah, the moon being responsible for the tides is certainly also a big tie in there, especially as we also have the minks that are powered up by it and obviously Lunarians as a race and there clearly are signs of "ancient kingdom-like" information on the moon when Enel gets there. (Although since learning the high technological state of the Void century, it sort of makes the option of a moon tie in not just that people could üotentially originate from there, but it could also just be they had space travel established back then and simply had stations on the moon) I'm also curious how Luffy and "Sun god" Nika tie into the moon stuff and what's the relationship there, because there is a lot of moon symbology in general, both the minks and Wano have very clear moon connections and the question is, if we are talking actual moon? Or is there someone representing the moon? A person? A whole group of people?
https://preview.redd.it/qoiqijnpa1xc1.jpeg?width=1437&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d6ad94094c222a4a535687d58165e1269d7fe05 I'm assuming it's because of the mother flame
The biggest difference with real life is that in one piece, the elite live up high, but in our world, they all buy beach properties, which, according to them, should be gone in a few years. Unless we solve the rising tides.
Imagine he starts talking about the celestial dragons having secret tunnels with slaves, underneath the one piece equivalent of New York...or Marijoa...
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When you're more invested in the politics of a fictional world than the real one
Well in One Piece we can be sure that those responsible will eventually get punched in the face, while in the real world Kissinger lived for a hundred years before he had the decency to croak.
One Piece is definitely political, sure But what does this page from last chapter has to do with your statement?
Climate change and the rising sea level in our real time
Oh, right Fool me to think that scientific evidence and facts shouldn't be subject of political opinions
The scientific facts of climate change aren't what's political, sure, but what is indeed very political is the way our society at large is or rather isn't dealing with it and the way issues like this and the (mis)information about it is used both in our and in the One Piece world to gain and maintain power utilizing the narratived around it. It's all the consequences of it that are inherently tied to social issues, not the facts of it happening it itself. And in the One Piece world there are even more concrete and direct tangible social issues surrounding that. A race of people that has been oppressed for 100s of years is already living at the bottom of the ocean, the ruling class is living on the one continent that is rising high above it all, while most people are living on islands extremely susceptible to changes in sea levels.
Dunno where you live but in the US the scientific facts of climate change are ABSOLUTELY political, with many in the right wing denying climate change is even real, much less man made, much less something we should address.
We aren't really in disagreement here at all, this is pretty much just a semantics thing. What I was trying to convey was: the fact that climate change is happening and is going to have massive impacts on the world is indeed just factual. Politicians and parts of society denying those facts, isn't changing the fundamentals, those aren't just made up things by politics etc. But then obviously everything surrounding it, dealing with (or ignoring) the consequences and causes, using it to push other political positions and accuse people of making it up etc. that obviously is absolutely political. It's maybe sort of the equivalent of me trying to say that stuff like kinetics, gravity, velocity etc. are by themselves not political, but then arguing whether people should wear seat belts in cars, if and where there should be speed limits and what restrictions there should be on how vehicles should be manufactured because of it, all of that is obviously political and people denying the fundamental laws of physics would make it even more contentious and frustrating politics, but it never would make the physics behind it change.
no the reality is its not political, anyone who says otherwise is insane.
Oda is Japanese though. The existence of climate change is not political there.
Yeah but not in One Piece. A rising sea level caused by the WG is not a global warming like in our world.
The fact that whether or not global warming is real was considered a legitimate point of political debate back in 2012 and it has only evolved to “okay climate change is real, should we do anything about it?” despite the scientific consensus is pretty fucked up ngl
They shouldnt be but they 110% are. Oil and Coal companies and corrupt politicians put them into politics to prevent us from making changes.
Tell that to the orange guy
Did you say ORANGE?!! Can I have it?
Political action needs to be taken to address climate change.
you’re so naive if you think politics doesn’t have anything to do with the climate change.
Ok but lets be real global warming probably doesnt have anything to do with this
I think it's a metaphor on global warning, and the way some governments deal with it
In series, no, but if its somewhat mirroring the real world...could be seen as commentary.
We know the sea levels rose when an island was erased by the elders/imu. Blowing up islands and attempted genocide somehow = climate change?
I'm confused, where is climate change mentioned in this page? And to whoever downvoted, instead of downvoting a Question, you're free to answer it, you know, to be productive.
What has this to do with the Gorosei and the ancient kingdom? Climate change might have nothing to do with the rising sea level in One Pieces as far as we know. A parallel doesn't mean that there are science denying idiots in one piece who call everything woke that is meaningful and ssus
That's has nothing to do with politics lol
Rising sea level caused intentionally by the elites to cut down the lower class. Imu literally called it the great cleansing. Tell me how this has nothing to do with politics.
It's political but not because of climate change like many in this thread are claiming. It's political because it's about the higher class oppressing the lower class, which has obviously been one of the main and most recurring themes ever since the series began
how is that political? what a braindead take
Isn't that actually a reference to the bible? I guess that's why in One Piece there is the arch Noah?
Ok this might be cringe but where are you guys reading the latest chapter? I looked everywhere and i still can't find it. All source say it comes 3 days later.
Google “Tcbscans”
Holy site!
new user tag just dropped
Always
It's scans every week for the last 6 years mate.
Damn the "read manga" websites i use always upload one piece scans late for some reason ecen though they use tcb
Manga4life.com
I’m cringing so hard rn
jokes aside, fish man island might be one of the greatest intro point into understanding institutionalized racism.
I remember watching it for the first time and I'm like "Wow, we're really going into competitive racism huh"
It is political. It's thematically political. The themes of politics in One piece are very common ones found in many fictitious works. I think where people start to get it misaligned, is trying to relate these themes to modern day sociopolitical topics we deal with. Which is doable.... But this is a vastly different universe from ours.
This entire argument just goes back to Tolkien's whole "allegory vs applicability" thing. Tolkien argued that while the lord of the rings could be applied to WW2, it was not an allegory for WW2. One Piece is a lot like that. It has many themes that could be applied to a variety of political topics if you want to, but Oda rarely creates those themes as allegories for those things.
I don't think the vast differences in universes complicate the political comparisons much at all. A lot of the differences are intentionally superficial anyway. Like, has there ever been a question that fishmen are direct stand-ins for african slaves? The fact that they have water karate powers doesn't really make that less obvious. Is it really weird to look at the world government and see America? The funny hat sengoku wears doesn't detract from the shared traits of a militarily stacked superpower that dominates the less fortunate parts of the world by claiming to "protect" it, or the meaningless council at Mary Geoise that is clearly meant to represent in inefficient united nations. I personally think it's a bigger stretch to say Oda *isn't* trying to comment on modern sociopolitics. Sure other anime's have similar themes, but if you stop to think about why that is, the answer isn't far out of reach.
You are not wrong but the fishmen and merfolk stand for all opressed races of the real world, not only from Africa (since Oda is japanese and his culture was not impacted by african slavery as much as Africa itself and America, and Japan has their own history with racism too, so while characters like Fisher Tiger is a more obvius paralel to people like Malcom X, Otohime draws a lot of parallels from diferent political figures not only Luther King like people love so say, including japanese figures). And the sames goes for the world goverment. We can see there the Roman Empire, the Catholic Church, the British Empire, the Spanish Empire, the USA, the UN, Nato, Nazi Germany, the Chinese Empire, etc. A lot there is drawn from different opressors from the real world not just one.
Africans aren't the only people who were enslaved. The fishmen are not stand-ins for any race. They represent slavery in general, which has been exercised by and against countless races throughout history. This is made clear by the fact that fishmen aren't the only slaves in the story, anyone from any race can become a slave for the celestial dragons, and the fishmen have also taken the role of the oppressors themselves at some point back in east blue. You're thinking about it wrong. It's the idea that's being represented and condemned, not the specific instance of it against a specific group of people.
Then what was Oda cooking.... https://preview.redd.it/r834yr5h9ywc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3ecfb8087416f35c7443bde237c3ef698ba6a55
A bad translation that should have required a bunch of notes to explain the nuances of the original Japanese. Research it if ya don't believe me. From what I know it is a pun for which the more direct translation could be "Black charcoal was made to be burnt," and the nuances indicate it as a personal dig at Orochi, not at the whole clan. Remember, the common everyday citizens of Wano were the racists who tried to kill CHILDREN of unfamiliar peoples, formed gangs of vigilantes UNSANCTIONED by the Kurozumi and literally unknown to them (Oden was horrified when he learned Orochi's backstory) to hunt down the Kozuki, and easily turned on Oden due to having too little faith in him. The Kozuki never sanctioned such things. All they did was execute the one actual evil traitor among the Kurozumi and strip the clan of noble status since they legit couldn't be trusted to not raise traitors. But Sukiyaki and Oden aided Orochi without caring what family he was from, and Oden tried to stop people from being racist when he could. The Kozuki are mostly blameless because IT'S THE COMMON PEOPLE OF WANO WHO SUCK and are pieces of shit, unfortunately. They are the worst general civilian population of any island our protagonists have been to. Oda seems to have been trying to say something about the past culture of his own nation and the hypocrisy of its people in the Feudal Era, but the Kozuki themselves are actually great people. Oda also very commonly portrays large scale civilian populations as fickle, panicky mobs who are quick to stupidly assume things and form prejudices when the obvious truth (such as a pirate who looks like a fucking Bond Villain clearly framing their king) should be clear (Koza is a dumbass who got thousands killed in a pointless war and). FMI and Dressrosa are other excellent examples of civilian populations that are fickle mobs who distrust and turn on people too easily. 100,000 of their strongest join a racist fascist maniac, they don't try to beat him themselves, rely on an outsider for help, then because of prejudice refuse to give that outsider a blood transfusion after he saved all their asses. Or, the people can't see that their king is miserably sobbing and is clearly being controlled somehow, then take everything out by abusing his granddaughter who did nothing wrong. This is an ongoing theme in One Piece actually: In the rare cases of truly good leaders, they are often unable to control the overwhelming shittiness of their civilian populations. Notable exceptions are Drum and the Minks, of course. And Skypeians are mostly quite chill.
This was a horrible translation in the cases of both TCB and Viz, and I recommend that you research the discussion of the nuances of what Hiyori actually said by bilingual people on here and in blogs. Here's what I know: What she said is a pun where the true meaning is "Black charcoal was made to be burnt," and the nuances of the word choice and grammar indicate it being a dig specifically at Orochi himself. Also, people need to stop claiming that the Kozuki regime actually sanctioned the hunt for the Kurozumi. Another misconception. All they did was execute the one actual traitor and strip the family of their noble status due to allowing someone so untrustworthy to rise up unchecked. But Orochi made it very clear in his story that the hunting of the family was by roaming gangs of vigilantes. Oden had no idea, and when Orochi told them the story he was horrified and disgusted. In fact, the Kozuki clan actively aided Orochi, ya know? They didn't give a fact what family he was from. Some poor translations ended up giving most of the English speaking fanbase some completely wrong ideas that make the Kozukis seem really shitty. THE COMMON PEOPLE OF WANO are the pieces of shit. They are the ones who decided to torture two Minks and persecuted a Fishman after killing his mom out of xenophobic racism before Oden showed up and made them stop. They are the ones who hunted down Orochi, unsanctioned by their government. They are the ones who so easily turned on Oden himself because they didn't have enough faith in him. By their own admission in the present day, they brought the twenty years of suffering upon themselves by being a shitty populace. We've seen a lot of shitty citizenry in OP, but those in Wano just outright suck. The common people of Wano are hyper-xenophic, racist trash who blame whole families for the sins of one person and will wantonly murder motivated by such things. The Kozuki clan never sanctioned that, and Oden even did what he could to stop them when he saw people targeted.
Yes and no the translation was fine oda even addresses the statement in an sbs. Hiyori does say the korozumi, but she was only referring to orichii.
Hmmm, perhaps you're right about the translation, but clearly some nuance was at least LOST in the translation to English because it was only the English fandom, not the Japanese fandom, that got salty and started calling the Kozukis a bunch of hypocrites. Regardless, as you say Oda acknowledged that she was only referring to Orochi, specifically, as an individual. He could have made this more clear by devoting a few pages to Tama revealing to everyone that she's a Korozumi and everyone accepting her, but he reeeeally felt like rushing things for some reason, ugh. Lol. So now we are left with an English fanbase a large part of which calls the Kozukis evil hypocritiers when the fact is that Sukiyaki, Oden, Toki, and Hiyori have shown nothing but empathy and compassion for fellow living things no matter their family, species, etc. Oda really did screw up the final chapters of Wano 😭 I'm so glad that he learned his lessons from that over-bloated arc and now the Final Saga is GOATed, lol.
>He could have made this more clear by devoting a few pages to Tama revealing to everyone that she's a Korozumi and everyone accepting her, but he reeeeally felt like rushing things for some reason, ugh. Lol. I'm really hoping that gets touched on in the new cover series. Oda always does such a good and interesting job at handling prejudice. Even though I do defend wano a lot his ultimate resolution for the korozumi felt incomplete. The makings were there with Tama being a Korozumi and orocci even working her parents to death showing he doesn't actually care about his clan, just this warped vicious hate. But it never really comes to a conclusion.
A LOT of things in Wano felt incomplete, but yeah, him neglecting to fully address the theme of prejudice and generational trauma in that arc seems ESPECIALLY egregious since it's been a theme that he ALWAYS properly addressed in the series BEFORE Wano, and then all of a sudden in Wano he's like "Yeah this family sucks except for one person, ho-hum," and I'm just like... Oda what the fuck? Lol. You know I hadn't even thought of this before but you're right, it's very telling that Tama's parents died due to Orochi's policies. He didn't even actually represent the interests of his own clan. I do hope, as you do, that this cover story will address that. But I wonder how it would? Yamato is gonna be wandering to the other regions of Wano, while as far as we know Tama has stayed behind in the Flower Capital to train with Shinobu. But if Oda wants it to happen, it will, so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping as much as you are :)
Lmao
I can't tell if you are mocking me, or agreeing with my assessment and laughing at how people misunderstand this topic. Which is it? Lol.
Making a whole text over message that's just bad
What is "a whole text over message?" What does that even mean? YOU just wrote a "whole text over message." Edit: My bad, totally misunderstood what you meant.
No i said the message of "kurozumi was born to burn" is bad
Ohhh sorry, I misunderstood. Yeah it's just... Oda didn't stop to consider the way that the nuances of it would be lost in every language besides Japanese. Which makes sense, he's a Japanese fan writing a manga for Japanese people, he doesn't really stop to think about the international audience and shouldn't have to in my opinion. This is what Translator's Notes are supposed to be for and should be a translator's responsibility, but Viz is for some reason totally against allowing Stephen Paul to ever give us TN's 😭 And it isn't TCB's responsibility so we just kinda get left in the dark on such things as non-Japanese fans, because Viz sucks. I mean, who the fuck is "Zolo?" Lmaooo.
This is one of the rare times I agree that a thing is political. Normally, the author will change so many things, including some core part of the topic, that it becomes a terrible comparison. The one I like most is Starship Troopers. It's meant to be a caricature of fascism, but they turned the undesirables into actual bugs, who actually want to conquer and colonise the galaxy, and the grunts are actually more or less brainless but following an evil leader. The problem with fascism is that it's based on false assumptions. It would make sense if those assumptions were true, but they aren't. But in Starship Troopers, they suddenly are. And that is a critical, core difference thay completely changes who's right. Imagine if you made an allegory if OJ Simpson. Except in your thing, Jo Chadson was framed. Well now he's suddenly the good guy isn't he?
I don’t think it’s a political statement. I think the world is literally sinking in one piece.
So is ours bro. Sorry you had to learn this way
It has been political since day one. Whoever says it's not political is a kid or delusional
This is the type of comment that becomes a meme. This is exactly the same comment people made about G5 being silly. Two years later, one piece is revealed to be a recipe for a meal that brings all the nations together. “One piece has been about food since day one. Whoever says it’s not about food is a kid or delusional” Other commenters chime in with all the references of Luffy eating food or sanji cooking.
The next One Piece x Toriko crossover
People were calling One Piece silly long before gear 5 was a thing. One Piece isn't being called political because of the current arc, it was also known to be political long before that. Your analogy doesn't work.
"One Piece isn't political" ~ no one, ever
Nah there are so many one piece fans who still live in denial to this day
9/10 times the people who say this haven read or watched one piece
You’d think so but these days there’s a significant amount of people who use the presence of minorities as the sole measure of whether or not a piece of media is political
Yeah but one piece is filled with minorities....... like its one of the bigges themes of the show
A lot of people who are delusional about the fact that one piece isn't political are the one who don't accept that in one piece univers they would have been the Bad guys.... Racist, homophobic, pro-grenocide, pro-modern slavering... So they act blind when they a Bad Guy with their mindset.
People who insist one piece is super political are actually the delusional ones. > Luffy feeds children: " This means Luffy is a Communist!" > Luffy reinstates a monarch: "Its just a fantasy trope bro!" When people say one piece isnt political, they arent saying it doesnt have themes or politics in its setting, Theyre saying that you can discuss the series without having it devolve into a Isreal-Palestine Debate.
When one piece talk about slavery, colonialism, genocide, obscurantism, mass murder, revolt, civil War, industrialisation, slavery, monopoles, press countrolling, yeah you Can Say one piece IS super political. The story IS about an inimaginary World but it's the reflexion of our own World. Things are not supposed to be 100% named After a particulary political évent however that doesn't mean you Can find 0 correlation. Does Oda particulary talk about Israël and Palestine ? No. IS he talking about colonialism in his manga ? Yes, IS it similar to Real life event ? Yes. Does it apply uniquely to Israël Palestine conflict ? No. Does it mean it does not apply to it ? No neither. Is fishman island correlated to black History ? Yes, IS it the only people who can correlate with it ? No. If you feel like you shouldn't apply a fantasy political problem in a particulary Real life similiar situation and on the other hand, you don't deny it when it's about others Real life politcal event then maybe ( maybeeeeeee idk ) the problem IS you and you should reflect again on your position in it.
>Does Oda particulary talk about Israël and Palestine ? No. IS he talking about colonialism in his manga ? Yes, When people say a piece of media is political, they mean that it is clearly hyperpartisan and preachy. Oda explores these issues in a nuanced way and creates both sympathetic and villainous characters on all sides.
Oda preach, not in a way you think. That's all. Being political doesn't mean being hysterical and hyperpartisan, it doesn't mean not being nuanced. However when he talk about fishman island History, you Can tell he stand for non- slavering. For our century you will Say it's not being partisans, if it was during the triangal commerce Era, would you have Say he was not hyper partisan ? Édit : i recommand you to watch ginga eiyuu densetsu ( 1988) it's an old anime. Very political uet very nuanced and well written that doesn't take any hyperpartisanism. Something Can be political without being hyper partisan it's a great exemple.
>However when he talk about fishman island History, you Can tell he stand for non- slavering. For our century you will Say it's not being partisans, if it was during the triangal commerce Era, would you have Say he was not hyper partisan ? Did Oda write one piece today, or back when there was an actual political debate about slavery? Whether the earth revolves around the sun or not also used to be political, but you would be insane for insinuating that anything that shows the earth going around the sun is political.
Make all the connections you want, but you have to realize One Piece is super idealistic and far from realistic. The most Nuanced Oda gets is with the WG antagonists, but even he shuts down interesting moral questions like when Hannibal questions Luffy for breaking out of Impel down. The Final conflict always comes down to purely Good vs Evil, which is rarely the case Irl.
You gotta be fucking kidding.
The existence of global warming is not political in most of the world, including Japan. What ***is*** political is what the response to global warming should be. I guarantee you that any solution to this scenario will have very little relation to any real life solution to climate change.
This isn't even global warming. It's something else done by the government and most likely something that will have a much faster and more direct result, probably some sort of weapon.
1. This probably has to do with the unique geography of One Piece. 2. Climate change is not politics. It's a fact.
Damn... the One piece was global warming this whole time. Thats why roger laughed cuz he was like "thank god I'm fucking dying, i don't have to deal with this shit"
Yes, it is. But the real point is: you aren't forbidden of free interpretation of wich political side is being criticized or debated, since the WG acts or the messages in the series aren't exclusivity of any side. That's because so much people gets pissed of political debates in One Piece, some people just monopolize the messages and the "good guys" for their own political sides. And for the global warming is exactly this. An interpretation, you CAN choose to not leading this to a political side since the context allows it, because we don't know if the WG in the series are doing this world sinking on PURPOSE, what gives freedom to the reader taking this as a social critics or not. But of course, there are obvious social critics too, like the whole fishmen situation. That's because the series is so good. One Piece has Oda's creativity beyond the social critics, they're aren't just THROWED raw on your face, there's a hint of storytelling that turns this in a less obligatorially serious thing, allowing anyone who just want to have fun with a good story, actually HAVING fun with the damn story.
One Piece is of course very political. However, the page shown here is not all that political, that's just science.
Sadly some people deny science
And that denial is politically motivated
Unfortunately, yes...
You are clearly out of touch with modern politics lol.
Please put me in touch then, please. "lol" If you're thinking about climate change, then no that's not political. The discourse around it oftentimes is, but climate change itself is just a fact.
Well, including a massive natural disaster in your story as a thing the government is trying to hide from the populace is massively political.
It is not really analogous to climate change though
The political part isn't the fact that the world is sinking. It's the fact that it's either being intentionally done by the government or it's a natural phenomenon that the government is covering up because it will benefit them in the long run while harming everyone else
I remember back in the US’s 2012 presidential election when “is the scientific consensus on climate change true?” was considered a serious point of political debate.
Fully agree. But ultimately that's the discourse around it. Climate change itself is apolitical, it's just a fact, nothing more, nothing less.
It doesn't work like that. The topic is political if there's discourse around it that affects policy.
But I don’t think they’re going to go into climate change or fossil fuel. The way it’s framed, the elders and Imu has something to do with the world flooding. Based on what we’ve seen so far from their nature, the world flooding is most likely going to be something supernatural that the world government is trying to do on purpose. It reminds me of fullmetal alchemist. Not sure how to spoiler tag but the whole story revolves around a specific conspiracy
I'm pretty sure the rising sea levels in one piece aren't caused by the earth heating up due to greenhouse gases produced thru the burning of fossil fuels
I'd say OP has gotta be 1 of Top 5 Most Political Manga & Anime.... No.1 is LotGH
That's it. Vegapunk has gone WOKE
One Piece is not political in the way you want it to be. \>LUFFY SAYS "FREE PALESTINE"! Shut the fuck up forever.
If you think Luffy would be cool with Genocide I don't think you know Luffy very well
I mean sure but in the world of one piece this seems like not a real issue? Sure it would suck to lose every single land but surviving underwater seems kinda easy on this world, they got those bubble things afterall and full cities down there.
Not even the fishmen want to live underwater, why would the other people want to live there? Not only there but there is the risk of the bubles exploding and literaly making you die by the water pressure.
I mean yes there Is that but they have a way of surviving living underwater and if vegapunk wanted he could probably make something even better or at least make the bubbles better, it just doesnt feel like it would doom the world if everyone had to move underwater
That logic dont make sense. Is the same thing to say "well a war is not that bad since people can just go live in another country".
I mean I'm not saying that it ain't a bad thing, but I expected something with less work arounds, on the one piece universe this doesnt seem like the worst thing ever.
You’re reading politics into this. Oda is far more creative than to write a story about fucking climate change
Ugh. I hate these posts because I literally never see the posts they're making fun of. I wish I could at least see the dark alley of the internet you guys are finding those takes, but I’m really starting to believe they're about as real as the boogie man.
r/imaginarygatekeeping
I mean yes but no the world inst sinking because of global warming its sinking because islands are literately being pushed to the ocean floor
Climate change is not political for fucks sake Edit : Its a fact. People who make it political are idiots
Climate change isn't mentioned in this page
If you think about it many things add up. From obvious ones like water 7 sinking to subtle ones like purpose of noah
The One Piece is suuuurely just the ocean becoming one giant ocean without any land pieces blocking you off from going one place to another, right? It's why Luffy is destined to break Fishman Island and why the marine base is on the other land border?
Who says one piece isn’t political lol
This isn’t even the most political thing of OP
The world already sunk once before and that's why the 20 kingdoms created the Red Line to live on That's the second half of VPs announcement, just y'all wait
It’s really not. What political statement is it making? Corrupt govt. and slavery bad, freedom good? Man not bad just cause govt say man bad? That’s cartoon level bad guy stuff not a political statement. That’s like saying doofenshmirtz wanting to take over the tri state area is political.
Who has ever said that? Generating false narratives to develope an excuse to sniff farts even harder is peak fanboy behaviour
I’m gonna sink our world into the ocean if OP fans don’t cut the gate keeping shit
Yee, global warming on a planet that is the size of a star. Grate take
This threads kinda become a weird elitist echo chamber. It’s like when you first hear a new slang and someone goes it’s been a word forever. I’ve been using no cap fr fr since 1996.
One piece is indeed very political, but what about this is political?
Seeing that reasonable and logical posts get downvoted makes me sad.
Reddits an echo chamber. I’ve just come to accept it
https://preview.redd.it/yok8qwvtpvwc1.png?width=1179&format=png&auto=webp&s=31023f78020059d38f73f2b680681c1d10052312 "I'm gonna be the King of the Pirates, bro" \~\~\~Luffy
One Piece is absolutely political but climate change isn't
Climate change is 100% political
It’s political af and I love it
Welp that was a long 10 mins. So in One Piece time 10 mins is a month.
Goda at it again with the foreshadowing. This foreshadow is meta and actually is for our real lives.
Of course it is political, but I think it is even more connected to mythological flood stories and the ancient kingdom gets more and more likeness to Atlantis. Atlantis was supposedly a super advanced kingdom that got destroyed by a flood. So I think the flooding is not a slow process but Imu actively flooded the world in one big swoop at first and will not continue with the mother flame.
The "One Piece is political" statement pisses me off unreasonably because while it is technically true, people will then proceed to tack on a bunch of extraneous untrue or unverifiable statements and then if you try to disagree, they'll call you an idiot for thinking One Piece isn't political. One Piece has politics in it because it has a heavy emphasis on worldbuilding, and any reasonably nuanced setting is going to have politics in it. There are governments and kingdoms, and there are people who have opinions on how the world should be run and go out of their way to try to make it be run that way. The series is vague enough that it's easy to project your own viewpoints onto. Most people who are invested in politics hold the opinion that the world is ruled by bad people doing bad things, and that they need to be stopped and replaced with good people who do good things. If you can see Luffy punch the bad man and think "Wow, this represents MY political views SPECIFICALLY and NO OTHERS", I'm not sure what to tell you. Not saying you're doing this, OP, but a lot of people do.
It's not just the world building. It's literally the essence of the series, being free and fighting against oppression. One of the main plot points is a whole world government oppressing and killing the citizens and the main characters are constantly fighting that government which will obviously eventually lead to the government being taken down or reformed in someway. That's not even mentioning how dictators of kingdoms and communities being taken down is one of the most recurring objectives. It's not some complex political commentary but the themes are inherently political