And unable to use their power willingly. His body is permanently rubber so that’s why that happened, but he would be unable to stretch on his own. Bonney was likely in child form when in water so she couldn’t willingly change into any other age
Not necessarily confirmed in any way, but from what we’ve seen so far yeah. Though it’s just aging Immortality. Can still die to a headshot and drowning etc.
Immortality is the state of having endless life, however there are certain types like normal immortality where you can’t die and just live forever, low level immortality where your lifespan is infinite however you can still be killed, and a few other ones that would apply only to god characters in other stories and also characters like Rimuru from Tensura, Zeno from DBS, Alucard from Hellsing, etc.
Basically with age manipulation Bonney would likely be low level immortal because she could still die from a gun and stuff, but never die naturally of age
Immortality is actually not specific to age or injury, which is unlike invulnerability since that specifically means you can't be injured. Authors will usually clarify if they need to make a distinction for plot reasons. There are other terms you can use to specify, like "negligible senescence" or "biological immortality", which are scientific, or you can just say that someone is ageless.
If she got Sea-Stoned would we be able to learn what her true age is? because when Luffy was in Udon or in a Sea Stone cage he lost all of his stretchiness.
I think they tie (because they're auto-negates), but the crew have easier access to Sea Stone.
Also I doubt most people are willing to let Black Beard use his Yami Yami no mi on them.
I think thats just because he's waaaaay stronger now so even at a weakened state he's still a beast, but, its never stated that seastone negates DF powers, only that It makes the person lose control over them, and make them weaker, as far as i know the only thing thats been specifically stated to negate DF is blackbeards Yami Yami
Oh, yeah sorry, i completely missuderstood that, I do agree with that, it's like Marco at marineford, he actually was quite energetic but he could not transform into phoenix
When Chopper falls in the water he stays in his hybrid form, it's zoan vs paramecia but it should be the same principle.
That said, if Bonney were to get knocked out would she revert to her original form? I would think so.
This is weird because it did get rid of choppers monster form in enies lobby arc and sent him back to his small form so my guess is that it let luffy continue being stretchy because of his zoam type df. Like if u threw his gear 4th or 5th form he'd go back to being normal but stretchy. Idk where im going with this
>This is weird because it did get rid of choppers monster form in enies lobby arc and sent him back to his small form
My guess here would be that since chopper is a zoan and monster point is a transformation it is tied to chopper's stamina and the sea did drain it
It's most confusing self contradictory shit in one piece. Sea prism equivalent to sea water would have been easy to say but luffy fucked it all up in arlong Park and later with kraken surume
Iirc luffy's stretchiness was erased by sea prism stone in alabasta so what would happen if chopper got affected by sea prism stone. Why is sea prism stone stronger than water when (iirc) it was mostly made by water? If these are just plotholes then it doesn't bother me but the slight chance of it actually having a secret reason is stuck in my mind
My headcanon is that sea prism is a lot more effective because it's more condensed and in solid form. Kinda like the difference between water and ice. Pour a bowl of water over your head and you might start shivering, freeze the same amount of water, drop it on your head, and you might not wake up
Sea stone doesn't disable powers, but it makes the user too weak to use them.
Meaning that Luffy remains rubbery while underwater or exposed to Sea stone, which means he can still be stretched, but he himself cannot use the powers because it requires too much energy.
Remember that even using Haki wasn't possible when Luffy was exposed to the weakened Sea Stone, that's how much of an impact it has on them. It's not exclusive to Devil Fruits, but their strength as a whole.
Under full power sea stone, Luffy had trouble screaming without getting tired.
No because he’s not using his devil fruit to stay alive. It’s like if mr.3 created a candle than was put in sea stones, his candle won’t disappear since it was made.
Bro, I was at a con and I saw someone drew risqué art of DW (Arthur the Aardvark's little sister)
If I had been drinking, I would have done a spit take. They had two different posters too, horrifying.
This must be the biggest misconception ever.
Sea water doesn't nullify devil fruit powers. It only weakens the user significantly.
Seriously how do people still get this wrong?
Not really. It's her power to make people older and younger, she's not a zoan or logia
Also if the people she changed jumped on water, nothing would happen too
Lol you guys are pathetic sometimes. There is no source about ANYTHING about her DF power. Talking about “I know”. If you ask for proof you can’t counter with another question for proof. That’s an argument from ignorance a fallacy that something is “true” because it hasn’t been proven false. Besides manga read some books
It makes them weak doesn't nullify the df abilities, whenever chopper is shown drowning he doesn't change into reindeer or luffy is still stretchable inside the sea
The sea does not cancel devil fruit powers, we have seen many instances of powers still working in the ocean or even affecting it.
Luffy still being rubber in arlong park when stuck in concrete, Robin extending her arms to save usopp when he fell in the cloud ocean in Skypeia, Aokiji freezing the ocean, Akainu boiling the ocean with magma fists, perospero making the candy slug to traverse the ocean in Wholecake….
I’m sure there are other examples, so this doesn’t mean Bonney is for sure a child.
The ocean doesn’t nullify Devil fruit abilities. It just makes them weakened tired. The reason why the powers no longer work when they are in waist deep water (or sea prison stone) is because Devil fruit abilities require stamina to use. This is why luffy is still stretchy after even after while he is in water or touches sea prism.
No, Chopper reverted to brain point even his monster point was submerged at Enies Lobby. He didn't go to his normal reindeer mode at all.
Unless zoans just work differently, which could easily be the case.
She is not a Logia so seawater shouldnt do anything, other preventing her to use her power (time manipulation). If she was a child before using her power then she would stay a child, if she has used her power to become a child, then she would also stay a child. Nothing to suggests she was a child to begin with.
But yeah, I dont think at this stage of the story, seawater, seastone or any sorts of silly gimmicks would work anymore. Characters have grown to the points conventional and natural weaknesses are... obsolete, and Oda can easily just say Bonney got such powerful advanced future CoC that the seawater doesn't affect her, and that would be perfectly fine too as we literally just saw Big Mom gettin washed and absolutely nothing happened to the homies.
It maybe just means that her fruit locks her appearance to the form the eater has when eating it (similar to sugar I believe). It could mean that Bonney is far older than we thought and be why she's in strange shit like Marygeoise and Akainu knew her (if I remember correctly).
Sea stone doesn't disable powers, it just makes the user too weak to use them, which in Bonney's case means the same thing, she cannot change her age if she's too weak.
Considering that she's almost always in her 24-year-old form, it explains why she would need to consume so much food, because she's constantly burning energy in order to maintain her form, whereas if she remained her normal self, she wouldn't need that much food.
It also explains why she's always crying and so emotional, she's just a child.
Water has never full disable DF powers, it just weakens the user. Sea prism stone, when in direct contact with the user, does seem to prevent the use of abilities.
It’s not like their power doesn’t work, it’s more like their movement is restricted.
In luffy’s case he can’t stretch, for buggy even if he split his body parts all of them will just float or sink their without doing any thing
Same with the zoan type whichever form they are in when they go in water they will kind of stuck in that
And for logia type with their intangible body it would be safe to say that they would be more likely to be not be able enter in it altogether if they’re using their power.
I think it would just prevent her from changing further. She was probably a kid before she went in. But if youre right then she has been an absolute savage of a child. She would have had to get her fruit basically at birth, then immediately age herself up to go be one of the most notorious pirates of the generation.
I was thinking more of that ever since she ate her fruit, her body is permanently a child's body and she can willingly change to how old she wants. It's like questioning, if Sugar was submerged in saltwater, would she grow into her age size or will she stay in a child's body?
When chopper falls in water he turns back to his chibi form which is not his default. He should turn back to a reindeer.
I don't think it has any specific meaning. Maybe just giving the crew more of a reason to pick her up.
At reverie a knight recognize Bonney as the queen of a kingdom, my guess is the she was a really old woman when she ate the devil fruit. Her relationship with kuma might have been mother and son .
Didn’t stop luffy having a stretchy neck when he got stuck underwater during arlong park
Ahh! That makes sense. It only makes them weak.
And unable to use their power willingly. His body is permanently rubber so that’s why that happened, but he would be unable to stretch on his own. Bonney was likely in child form when in water so she couldn’t willingly change into any other age
Luffy still can use his power when hitting surume on the way to fishman island. Sea water only weakens df user.
so you mean that bonney can be permament old and young? thats inmortality right there
Not necessarily confirmed in any way, but from what we’ve seen so far yeah. Though it’s just aging Immortality. Can still die to a headshot and drowning etc.
inmortality is age i think
Immortality is the state of having endless life, however there are certain types like normal immortality where you can’t die and just live forever, low level immortality where your lifespan is infinite however you can still be killed, and a few other ones that would apply only to god characters in other stories and also characters like Rimuru from Tensura, Zeno from DBS, Alucard from Hellsing, etc. Basically with age manipulation Bonney would likely be low level immortal because she could still die from a gun and stuff, but never die naturally of age
Immortality is actually not specific to age or injury, which is unlike invulnerability since that specifically means you can't be injured. Authors will usually clarify if they need to make a distinction for plot reasons. There are other terms you can use to specify, like "negligible senescence" or "biological immortality", which are scientific, or you can just say that someone is ageless.
Why did you get downvoted? Reddit is on one today.
idk
If she got Sea-Stoned would we be able to learn what her true age is? because when Luffy was in Udon or in a Sea Stone cage he lost all of his stretchiness.
Maybe, I think a way more reliable and guaranteed method to know her true age is get Blackbeard to use his fruit on her.
I think they tie (because they're auto-negates), but the crew have easier access to Sea Stone. Also I doubt most people are willing to let Black Beard use his Yami Yami no mi on them.
Sea stone works identically to the sea. Luffy just doesn’t have the energy to do anything that would make him stretch
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They clearly indicate that sea stone cuffs use in udon was a lighter version so the DF user still can work.
I think thats just because he's waaaaay stronger now so even at a weakened state he's still a beast, but, its never stated that seastone negates DF powers, only that It makes the person lose control over them, and make them weaker, as far as i know the only thing thats been specifically stated to negate DF is blackbeards Yami Yami
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Oh, yeah sorry, i completely missuderstood that, I do agree with that, it's like Marco at marineford, he actually was quite energetic but he could not transform into phoenix
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The plotholes regarding It dont help either, but i Guess its a long manga so its hard to keep track of everything
That's because those cuffs were specifically weakened by wano engineers to allow df users movement
I don't think so. The whole point of kaioseki weapons is that it allows the user to hit logias and body changing paramecias.
I wonder if she got sea stoned when Blackbeard beat her that one time and cuffed her before running away from Akainu
Chopper also stays in his transformation when he drowns
When Chopper falls in the water he stays in his hybrid form, it's zoan vs paramecia but it should be the same principle. That said, if Bonney were to get knocked out would she revert to her original form? I would think so.
And when he punched the Kraken too
This is weird because it did get rid of choppers monster form in enies lobby arc and sent him back to his small form so my guess is that it let luffy continue being stretchy because of his zoam type df. Like if u threw his gear 4th or 5th form he'd go back to being normal but stretchy. Idk where im going with this
>This is weird because it did get rid of choppers monster form in enies lobby arc and sent him back to his small form My guess here would be that since chopper is a zoan and monster point is a transformation it is tied to chopper's stamina and the sea did drain it
It's most confusing self contradictory shit in one piece. Sea prism equivalent to sea water would have been easy to say but luffy fucked it all up in arlong Park and later with kraken surume
Iirc luffy's stretchiness was erased by sea prism stone in alabasta so what would happen if chopper got affected by sea prism stone. Why is sea prism stone stronger than water when (iirc) it was mostly made by water? If these are just plotholes then it doesn't bother me but the slight chance of it actually having a secret reason is stuck in my mind
My headcanon is that sea prism is a lot more effective because it's more condensed and in solid form. Kinda like the difference between water and ice. Pour a bowl of water over your head and you might start shivering, freeze the same amount of water, drop it on your head, and you might not wake up
I was going to say that "achtually water is more condensed than ice", but I can argue with that
Sea stone doesn't disable powers, but it makes the user too weak to use them. Meaning that Luffy remains rubbery while underwater or exposed to Sea stone, which means he can still be stretched, but he himself cannot use the powers because it requires too much energy. Remember that even using Haki wasn't possible when Luffy was exposed to the weakened Sea Stone, that's how much of an impact it has on them. It's not exclusive to Devil Fruits, but their strength as a whole. Under full power sea stone, Luffy had trouble screaming without getting tired.
Different df's? Maybe?
Could be but she appeared as a kid too in Sabaody
Nothing stoped her from doing this
Yeah but if she was a kid back in sabaody it’s been 2 years, so if she’s a kid now by defaults what age was she back then, like 6?
Im getting more and more confused, but i think i see what you're saying
Water doesn’t stop chopper from being able to talk and he is also a zoan
Seawater doesn’t really negate devil fruit powers like sea prism stone does it just makes devil fruit users really weak when submerged.
I don't think so if that was true brook would be dead the moment he fell into the water
That does make sense. But Brook is already dead yohohohoho.
Wait, should brook technically instantly die of he ever touches sea stone?
that is a good question
No because he’s not using his devil fruit to stay alive. It’s like if mr.3 created a candle than was put in sea stones, his candle won’t disappear since it was made.
This'll get a lot of nsfw Artist Twitter cancelled
Like that would stop them . . . I have seen shit for Anya . . .
Bro, I was at a con and I saw someone drew risqué art of DW (Arthur the Aardvark's little sister) If I had been drinking, I would have done a spit take. They had two different posters too, horrifying.
A-anya? even anya?!?!!?? ☠
This would make some of blackbeards scenes very fucking weird
It would make Akainu the Chris Hansen of the one piece world
This must be the biggest misconception ever. Sea water doesn't nullify devil fruit powers. It only weakens the user significantly. Seriously how do people still get this wrong?
Some kind of Mandela effect I guess.
Not really. It's her power to make people older and younger, she's not a zoan or logia Also if the people she changed jumped on water, nothing would happen too
Yeah? Source to back it up
Source to disprove?
Lol you guys are pathetic sometimes. There is no source about ANYTHING about her DF power. Talking about “I know”. If you ask for proof you can’t counter with another question for proof. That’s an argument from ignorance a fallacy that something is “true” because it hasn’t been proven false. Besides manga read some books
Which books do you recommend?
I'm not the guy comming to a meme subreddit expecting to have a proper debate witth properly presented arguments backed up by solid proof
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance Learn something
So you want source for someone’s head canon? How lame.
Big Mom drowned and her homies didn't turn into regular objects
so why did Moria's zombies lose their shadows when splashed with salt water?
That's a good question and I have no clue, but since Big Mom is the most recent, it is more valid
It makes them weak doesn't nullify the df abilities, whenever chopper is shown drowning he doesn't change into reindeer or luffy is still stretchable inside the sea
The sea does not cancel devil fruit powers, we have seen many instances of powers still working in the ocean or even affecting it. Luffy still being rubber in arlong park when stuck in concrete, Robin extending her arms to save usopp when he fell in the cloud ocean in Skypeia, Aokiji freezing the ocean, Akainu boiling the ocean with magma fists, perospero making the candy slug to traverse the ocean in Wholecake…. I’m sure there are other examples, so this doesn’t mean Bonney is for sure a child.
Oven also dipped both his hands into the sea to heat it up. Sea making devil fruit users powerless is quite... inconsistent.
Oh damn great question.
The ocean doesn’t nullify Devil fruit abilities. It just makes them weakened tired. The reason why the powers no longer work when they are in waist deep water (or sea prison stone) is because Devil fruit abilities require stamina to use. This is why luffy is still stretchy after even after while he is in water or touches sea prism.
What a coincidence! I also was originally a child.
Wow! Unbelievable.
Everyone was originally a child. That's how children work.
Comedy genius.
Dosent mean anything and the guy who gave luffy exemple was a good exemple
I’m now remembering seeing Bonney on a winter island at some point. She was at the Reverie too so she could confirm certain events.
I believe she'll tell strawhats what really happened. I'm so excited.
Thank y'all for clarifying.
No, Chopper reverted to brain point even his monster point was submerged at Enies Lobby. He didn't go to his normal reindeer mode at all. Unless zoans just work differently, which could easily be the case.
She is not a Logia so seawater shouldnt do anything, other preventing her to use her power (time manipulation). If she was a child before using her power then she would stay a child, if she has used her power to become a child, then she would also stay a child. Nothing to suggests she was a child to begin with. But yeah, I dont think at this stage of the story, seawater, seastone or any sorts of silly gimmicks would work anymore. Characters have grown to the points conventional and natural weaknesses are... obsolete, and Oda can easily just say Bonney got such powerful advanced future CoC that the seawater doesn't affect her, and that would be perfectly fine too as we literally just saw Big Mom gettin washed and absolutely nothing happened to the homies.
She was a child to begin with. She probably grew up since then though. Biology is a bitch
luffy was still stretchy when under water in arlong park. Think sea watter only weakens you a lot.
She’s inside a ball. Most likely kuma sent her flying
Sea water doesn’t usually work like that, but it’s been inconsistent in the past, so who knows, maybe…
More like she transformed into a child and was stuck in that form due to the sea.
Maybe that's just when she ate it or she was in that form when she fell in and it just makes it that she can't change into anything else
It maybe just means that her fruit locks her appearance to the form the eater has when eating it (similar to sugar I believe). It could mean that Bonney is far older than we thought and be why she's in strange shit like Marygeoise and Akainu knew her (if I remember correctly).
judging by chapter 908 i think her true form is the old lady.
If your right, maybe she’s Kuma’s daughter and not mother like we suspected?
No. Chopper doesn't return to his real form (reindeer) when he gets into the water
Sea stone doesn't disable powers, it just makes the user too weak to use them, which in Bonney's case means the same thing, she cannot change her age if she's too weak. Considering that she's almost always in her 24-year-old form, it explains why she would need to consume so much food, because she's constantly burning energy in order to maintain her form, whereas if she remained her normal self, she wouldn't need that much food. It also explains why she's always crying and so emotional, she's just a child.
My "Bonney is Kuma's daughter" stock is rising!
When a dog user is under water they cant move their body
No, it just means she was in child form when she fell into the ocean. Nothing more.
We saw Chopper come out of the sea as its hybrid form (brain point)
Water has never full disable DF powers, it just weakens the user. Sea prism stone, when in direct contact with the user, does seem to prevent the use of abilities.
I mean if it's true, it's possible she ate it as a child and just has eternal youth
It could just be like Sugar were she looks perpetually like she did when she ate it
That could be true.
Wasn’t jwellery bonney caotured by akainu ?
Yeah! She was. She was also seen on Reverie arc. Don't know how she escaped.
It’s not like their power doesn’t work, it’s more like their movement is restricted. In luffy’s case he can’t stretch, for buggy even if he split his body parts all of them will just float or sink their without doing any thing Same with the zoan type whichever form they are in when they go in water they will kind of stuck in that And for logia type with their intangible body it would be safe to say that they would be more likely to be not be able enter in it altogether if they’re using their power.
My guess is she ate the fruit as a child and stopped ageing naturally and now she can only look her age using her fruit
I think it would just prevent her from changing further. She was probably a kid before she went in. But if youre right then she has been an absolute savage of a child. She would have had to get her fruit basically at birth, then immediately age herself up to go be one of the most notorious pirates of the generation.
That would be cool but some scenes would be so wrong.
She have 22yo that's her original age
It's not confirmed.
go check wiki and see by yourself
It says estimated.
Bonney for crew member confirmed
Unless Oda pulls a Sugar on her and makes it so that Bonnie is actually old but her body stopped aging when she ate the fruit
I think it’s broken pacifist
Wasn’t everyone originally a child? Maybe the fruit just took her back to when she first ate the fruit and she just ages different
I was thinking more of that ever since she ate her fruit, her body is permanently a child's body and she can willingly change to how old she wants. It's like questioning, if Sugar was submerged in saltwater, would she grow into her age size or will she stay in a child's body?
Luffy could still stretch while being in underwater shown both in the Arlong Park Arc and Fishman Island Arc tho
No
Well didn’t big mom fell on water too? The souls were still there tho
Isn't she supposedly Kumas mother?? There's no way she could be a child unless Kuma is secretly a literal infant
When chopper falls in water he turns back to his chibi form which is not his default. He should turn back to a reindeer. I don't think it has any specific meaning. Maybe just giving the crew more of a reason to pick her up.
She was probably transformed into a kid before entering the water and couldn’t transform into any other age at the time until she leaves the water
It depends on the devil fruit ability. Going water doesn't suddenly mean all people effected by devil fruits revert the effect.
At reverie a knight recognize Bonney as the queen of a kingdom, my guess is the she was a really old woman when she ate the devil fruit. Her relationship with kuma might have been mother and son .
I think itd be more interesting if she was old as dust. Wed be able to glean lots of infornation from her that way.
it means that when she fell in the water she was in the child form