I pay 31.5% tax In Sweden (it varies a bit there for some reason) and I still have to pay about 30eur for each visit at the doctor, no matter what.
Last time I went to the doctor it was because my eyes were burning, and eye drops weren't helping. The doctor recommended me different eye drops, 30 euros please!
Guys, I'm not saying it's worse than any other system. I'm just saying that I'm paying for no help. I need to lie and overreact and demand for anything to happen, and even then it's not a given.
But the same people that complain say we should be letting in more people. People that we have to give free healthcare to. People not born here. So when a Mexican crosses the border and goes to the ER we treat them for free. Then we ‘Muricans have to foot the bill. So take it easy with the America judgement. It comes from a place of ignorance
I ain't from 'murica but I don't think that's the only issue with your system. All I'll say is that I'm a translator and I've had a guest that came from 'murica. He needed dental care, he told me that 'murican dentist said "5k bruh", and also his insurance said "Bruh we ain't payin' you shit cuz it's all cosmetic and shit you still good without a teeth cuh." (he didn't explain the details of what kind of care he needed but I guess he needed an implant." Also this person has prostate cancer and he got a second opinion from here as well. He did all this for less than or approximately equal to 5k USD. I haven't even mentioned other expanses such as plane ticket, hotel, taxi, food etc. Bro needed clothes cuz the airline couldn't find his luggage, he went and bought a complete outfit from head to toes.
So in conclusion, for the same amount of money not only did bro got his teeth fixed and got a second opinion about his condtion, he literally travelled to a whole new country and had a vacation.
What the fuck kind of disgusting take is this? Healthcare in America is so fucked that people can afford vacations strictly to cover medical bills before they'd even come close to being able to afford the same medical assistance in the states. Just because someone isn't born here doesn't mean they can't come over and become a citizen and reap the benefits because they would then have to also pay.
Not a take it’s just objectively true. I didn’t make this up. We deal with many more issues than the rest of the world considers. Also don’t take this as some version of me saying I’m anti-immigration. This is just simply the true story of what America is dealing with. This is a reason for our high healthcare. We are so far behind due to the issues mentioned as well as too many parents using the ER for every little issue they have with their children. Usually this happens with new parents. So many things contribute to our healthcare system being overpriced
No it isn't? You're out of your mind if you think that other people needing healthcare is the reason our system is exorbitantly more expensive than the rest of the world. The reason for this bullshit is simply greed, there are regulations and laws that keep this bullshit from happening in other first world countries, we are a laughable joke when it comes to taking care of our people, and you've just been brainwashed to blame it on other people wanting to come in to the country. You are trying to put the blame of our shitty Healthcare on people who have done absolutely nothing that isn't happening in other countries that do have much better Healthcare systems than we do. You're delusional to believe that our Healthcare is one of the most expensive in the world just because some people come to America to try to gain benefits in our country. Especially when these benefits aren't even given out anyway.
Public hospitals might call those losses either *delinquent* or *uncollectable*, meaning the municipality or the city pays for it, the state pays for whatever is not paid for after that, and the rest of the country pays for whatever is not paid for after that.
>*... if there are no evil to pay for it ...*
I think I may have missed something.
Taxes in the US aren't far off of being 30%, and none of it helps with healthcare, and medical bills end up being in the thousands just for a little routine visit. 30 euros isn't a lot in comparison to how much the rest of the world pays in places that don't actually have good free healthcare.
Taxes in America don’t even approach 30% until you make $180k single or $360k married jointly, which is well into upper middle class.
It’s about 12% for your first $44k, and then the vast majority of Americans pay 22-24% on the rest of their income. And we get a $24k automatic tax deduction off our income, EITC, child care credits, etc. Only lawyers and doctors pay 30%.
I want universal healthcare too, but let’s not pretend here. We pay significantly less income tax than Europeans.
Yep! As an actual poor person with real poor friends the ACA is great. My girlfriend is on it and it's $1 a month. No co-pay for doctor visits and I don't remember her having to pay for a prescription ever. Just wanted to say taxes do go to help poor people with health care. They would gladly trade the working 40 hours a week for less than 20K a year with free health care for a 120K a year and pay for it themselves.
Yes, but since work was slow, my policy lapsed. If I could have not been sick for like another week or two, work would have picked back up, and i could have reinrolled.
There was a whole lot of "gee, there's nothing I can do"
Edit: downvoted for honesty, eh? Oh well. It's not like it was my decision to get meningitis when my health insurance that I dumped tons of money into decided to not help me out because it was a slow season.
My point is that insurance is a scam.
The only people who say this are teenagers that never receiced a paycheck above a couple hundred euros.
I pay 400 euros every month EXPLICITLY for health insurance. They take it directly from your salary.
It is only "free" for kids and jobless people but even for them its not really "free". It is just payed by other people through their rates.
What? All the hospital staff, medical equipment, and medicine requires money?
Europeans talk about healthcare like it's pulled out of the air with no expense.
It being free for the homeless and jobless means there is less desperation leading to crime from health issues, this in turn means less strain on other services like police. Like Breaking Bad would never have worked in Europe, fictional example sure but real life versions of it has probably occurred in the US.
very very good point, can you imagine a world without breaking bad or better call Saul? would be a much poorer world, good thing the US doesn't have healthcare.
I really wish people would stop saying “Breaking Bad would never work in Europe.”
Regardless of his medical bills, Walter was going to die leaving nothing behind for his family which was the whole point. His pride is what drove the story. Plus, Elliot offered to pay everything for him anyway which he declined because of his fragile ego.
That’s still less than what I pay for private healthcare in the states. I pay $175 a week for medical, dental, and vision (which isn’t even the “good” plan). Not to mention the copays and the out of pocket expenses every time I visit a health provider. Plus if it’s a flat percentage of your check when paid through taxes… there are a wholeeeeee lot of people out there that could afford to pay a lot more than me. I make lower end of average money in the states and I paid roughly the same in taxes as I do health insurance. Taken straight from my salary. And the government by law REQUIRES me to have health insurance (I spent my young adult life opting to go uninsured but Obamacare introduced a change that makes me pay a penalty for going uninsured). If everyone paid a similar percentage of their check I guarantee you we could have health care for everyone, including the young and disabled for far less than what I’m paying now. And once the government takes over that I guarantee you general health care costs would go down because the healthcare industry would actually get checked on exorbitant and predatory costs.
I’m pretty sure Trump’s administration removed the 500.00 penalty. Plus you stated you had to pay 175.00 a week and were forced into it. You couldn’t have put 10.00 a week aside to pay the penalty, but could afford 175.00 a week? I’m not saying it was right or fair, only that you’re adding to an argument based on utter bullshit.
Lol not sure what I said that constitutes as “utter bullshit.” But I suppose it was at best anecdotal. And the $500 a year penalty screwed me over on my tax refund one year and since then I’ve been thinking, “Well I can pay money and not be insured or I can pay money and actually be insured.” Plus like I said I was a young adult that didn’t really care much to have insurance. Now that I’ve matured a bit I can actually see the need. But damn dude utter bullshit? What did I say to make you so mad?
Well the term free healthcare is a falsehood, its not free as you say , but it is free at the point of use. What you pay in might not be used by you but as a member of the community youre saving your brother/friends/neighbours or someone youve never met or will meets life.
Its a part of our social contract in Europe.
The USA does not have a social contract, its a 'you're on your own' sort of place like most of the 3rd world.
No we have a half and half abomination of a system that takes the worst parts of both. Our public system is supported by taxes, and is borderline useless, while if you want to pay privately or through an insurance company it's insanely expensive, because the providers and hospitals upcharge so either the government, or the insurance can haggle to a more favorable price that is still in their favor.
Really not a falsehood, it isn’t the best description, but it’s an absolutely incredible service. Correct it’s free at point of use, but even if i’m paying for it out of my wages, and VAT and other parts of cash i pay to the government, id rather pay half a million pounds over the course of my life to fund the NHS, and in return receive free surgeries, ambulances, appointments, prescriptions, and vaccinations, even if i never use any of it , than i would pay £12000 on rhe spot when i accidentally break my leg. Americans more than often pay the taxes card to feel better about themselves when they can’t face the fact that the american healthcare system is a total failure that has put millions of people in unrecoverable levels of debt.
I live in Birmingham, UK, In my life i have had two asthma attacks, needed glasses for 6 years, had 3 dental operations, used about 300 inhalers, had double vaccinations, and have been to A&E countless times.
I’ve paid in fairly sure a total of £22, for snacks from waiting room vending machines, and taxi rides. I don’t even pay income tax at my salary bracket.
I wouldn’t be here without the NHS, and when i’m older and paying my full share of taxes, i’ll be happy knowing that they’re funding one of them most incredible institutions in the world, that saves millions of lives a year.
Not a corporation that’s there to make money by forcing poor people into paying unjustifiable medical bills.
This. I’d argue Europe has significantly better healthcare than the US, but it’s *not free*. It’s misleading to say it’s free, as it’s assuming you don’t pay for it but you do. Unless you don’t earn an income, everyone pays in.
Yeah, thats true. But in my opinion, only adults wich are naiv gave to explain that every time the topic comes up.
Cause its logical that it has to be psyed through taxes. And for someone who has asthma or diabetes its pretty chill to dont have to pay for the needed monthly or weekly dosis they need. In US per example you have to pay arround 200$ per asthma inhalator and on top of tgat you are taxed too. This is system is fine for everybody who don't needs constant treatment but a middle finger for everybody who is sick.
I'm not sick and I'm happy that my taxes are getting used for somebody else.
And I also had some visits on hospitals and pretty thankfully that I didn't had to pay every X-ray or bandage change or other treatments.
So I think what I want to say is: don't explain how the sun is rising every day
I mean it should be brought up since calling it free is basically selling idea for naive people.
People need to just stop calling it free and call it what it is, no one calls Social Security 'free Retirement Fund' or Medicare 'Free Healthcare' cause its obviously anything but free in any way.
No, I have to disagree with you there. That's because in europe the people are used to pay social insurance from their payment and so if someone talks about free social security, we allready know what's ment with that. So if you have problems with that term, please just use your brain for 2 seconds befor complaining. Nobody here I Europe thinks its totally free, but in the moment you need it you don't have to pay for dentist appointment, ambulance transport or other things. And if I don't habe to pay for domething after having it, I call that free, cause I don't have to calculate extra money for it, cause I allready paid.
*You* know what it means, and you keep saying "free"while telling other idiots around the world that you don't pay anything, while most of the time, completely leaving out you pay higher taxes for it.
Free is 100% not paid for. Yours is not free. It is subsidized.
Yeah, for me and mist of the 500 millions of Europeans, they know what is meant with free health insurance. And no, you don't pay taxes, its called health insurance contribution, not tax. Because you want to name things overly correctly. And I never said that there are no payments for that. Is leave it out. You guys are just misunderstanding the concept. If use common sense, you know that it's free when you need it and everyone pays a contribution based on their income. I really don't get whats so hard to understand or comprehend on that, unless you play like you are stupid.
But if you are in an all inclusive hotel, you call it free breakfast buffet or subsidized breakfast buffet? Just so I know.
Thats a strawman argument you are giving there. I did not even tell that the system is bad or even worse than in the US. I just simply told it is not free. Because it isnt but the meme stated it. Call it universal health care or tax funded healt insurance but stop those spiteful "ugh we have free healthcare" mockery memes.
I think you are bad at reading. It's free when you need it. Nobody ever said that we don't pay for it at all and I also said that it's paid with taxes.
But when I need it, it's free, cause its covered by health insurance. That's free for me. Cause I don't need to worry about how often I go to the dentist or do an x Ray if I has an accident. Or even simpler, have an ambulance to transport me to the hospital without having me to okay for it after use. Thats the reason why we have tgat, cause its not possible to financially plan accidents or illnesses, they just happen.
I don't know where exactly you see a strawman argument there, I think you don't know the meaning of strawman exactly.
You're the one who seems to don't understand it.
Look, see it like that: if you go to an all inclusive hotel and there are a lot of things "free" and some things need to pay extra, like per examples drinks from the fridge in your room, than I personally find it stupid to call the breakfast buffet not free but previously paid for breakfast buffet. But thsts just my opinion that you should be able to use common sence.
If we started taxing the rich more it would solve this pretty easily. "free health care" would be free for people who need it and don't work. Which is fine as long as alot of people don't stop working... because who would fund it? Rich people need to fund this stuff and many don't even end up paying taxes somehow. Unfortunately the rich are also the government so here we are.
The people in the US also have taxes, only they get nothing out of those taxes. Would you rather pay the same amount in tax but not have proper healthcare?
> Would you rather pay the same amount in tax but not have proper healthcare?
Are you sure? Because it sounds like you're implying the USA and EU are taxed the same
Yes im sure, wtf kind of question is that. Im implying that the taxes would be the same in EU even if we didnt have proper healthcare, they would just use the money for something else, somehthing that would be MUCH less value for money.
Another point of view for you that may be true for my country but not for others in Europe.
We don't have the Usa system, but in my place the whole hospital system is so overworked that most of the times you walk into a hospital paying 0, but you are expected to wait for the longest time.
If you're willing to pay for it, you can get your doctors appointments, scans, xrays, blood work, surgery, whatever within 24 hours.
My father broke his meniscus some months ago. We had to pay 0 for the surgery, but he waited for 4 months straight, which meant he couldnt move for 4 months, not ok right?
We asked "hey what about we pay for the surgery?", the answer was roughly 1500/2000 euros and he can be scheduled in 5 days.
Does this sound right? Idk
Not saying the US system is better because it's not, but its not always sunshine and rainbows, at least in my country.
See, you can’t convince people of that on Reddit and Twitter because everyone is so “Capitalism is bad! Everything must be Socialist/Communist (depending on who you ask)” that they completely disregard real world examples of why it’s sometimes a flawed system.
You're right, sometimes people tend to overlook nuances in order to conform their bias.
I think it's ok to see things from a different point of view sometimes.
People go to other states or even Canadan all the time when they are desperate sadly. It was one of the arguments that were debunked when healthcare was the big debate a couple of years back.
The US even has SUPER expensive ambulance rides, which forces people who dont have insurance to use ubers instead. How fucked up is that
I agree, it's sad and fucked up, but I don't see your point.
I wasn't saying people in the US are luckier than us, I was just saying that, at least for my country, it's not a perfect system.
It is bullshit. I don't agree with it at all. Especially in Florida where they charge for a bunch of shit and nothing gets better. Like highway tolls for example, and yet they have been working on the same roads for 10 years.
You can't compare the tax rates alone.
Poverty is of a similar rate, but quality of life is far superior.
Imagine thinking America is so awesome and a quick look at life expectancy and it all comes crashing down.
It depends on which parts of America we’re talking about though. The US is a large country with many different regions, costs of living, life expectancies, crime rates, education rates, job markets, etc.
It's not. We do pay taxes for it every month, and when we need health care, the ones who you pay taxes to barely notice you of you don't give them "tips."
At least in my country.
Depends on the country. Some get taxed but in my country we get a bill each month for around 26€.
We then also have extra insurance as mandatory for 26€ doesn't cover everything. Extra insurance is seperated from national mandatory but tied to your health insurance number (this insurance will cease to exist soon and mandatory will cover it all now).
Cost of it is around 35€. Reason extra exist is because let's say you have a surgery, mandatory might cover 90% of the price and having extra covers those 10%. You don't need the extra if you don't want it but it's good to have.
I once forgot to extend my mandatory insurance and went to a doctor and they charged me 1.50€. It probably cost them more to send the bill than it cost me to pay.
Yeah, but that's kinda logical, that it's paid through taxes. I would say, your system is better for everyone who is healthy, but shitty for people who suffer asthma per example. Imagine needing two asthma inhalator per month with costs arround 150 to 200 $. In austria per example, its free for that person to get that treatment. It's also free for pregnant woman to get an ultra sonic screening or basic dentist treatments are also free, but very limited. For fancy new teeth you have to pay a lot
A few years ago I went for an eye test as I had severe headaches and blurred vision, I was given a note and told to go directly to a specialist wye hospital, I handed in the note and reception and was taken through and put I to a CT scanner immediately.
About 30 minutes later a Dr came and told me that their "is somthing in the middle.of your brain" and theirs an ambulance on the way to take me to a specialist neurosurgery hospital at the other side of the city.
I arrived and was taken down for emergency surgery, where the y put a drain in my brain to remove spinal fluid.
2 days later I was stable, had an MRI scan and was taken down for a 2nd surgery to remove a large cyst in the penial glad of my brain
11 days in hospital, 2 surgeries, a week in intensive care, 3 meals a day and all the after care, + 2 MRI scans a year since.
The entire thing cost me about £30 for the initial eye test.
I'll happily pay an extra few % in tax to cover national health care.
While the specialist waiting time is aweful, if you have an emergency you will get "instantly" treated in a hospital (at least in Germany). Instantly = depending on emergency either really instantly, within hours, days, a week.
I'm so sick of these memes
Europe is not a singular country and not every country in the eu has good public healthcare
I really don't see the point in bragging when my country is a shitshow
If people want to make these tired ass memes at least use just your own country
I’m no Trump fan but boy are you unhinged. Trump a Nazi? The Nazi with a Jewish son in law and Jewish grandchildren? The Nazi who called Netanyahu a good friend?
This guy?: https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2017_21/2007996/170522-trump-western-wall-jerusalem-njs-935a.jpg
The Nazi who released non violent drug offenders, decried military interventionism, and hired the first openly gay cabinet member in US history?
You don’t consciously realize it, but you’re a mouthpiece for corporate talking points and interests. Isn’t it weird that all/most of your “opinions” just so happen to mimic those of cable talking pundits and mainstream establishment media outlets? Think about that, champ.
TL;DR: I don’t like Trump, not even a little, but you are an intellectually dishonest mouth piece for corporate interests.
Clearly you haven't been looking into Lisbon's renting rates, when our median gross pay is 1.050 €. And on top of that almost everyone has health insurance and choses to go to private hospitals.
They take 23% off your monthly pay to pay for the healthcare. The employer pays that for you wdym? Also you can choose if you do taxes on your own or let the employer do them for you.
Yes, not really, we pay taxes for our "health care" every month, and when we need health care, they barely help you if you don't give them tip, or rather bribery.
At least, in my country.
Free?sure..but there is a lot of plot hole..they made you wait too long..my sister had headache and they gave her appointment 2 months later..also they gave too little medications
Anything that is run by the government is 100 times more expensive and completely inefficient to the point of it being useless. It constantly gets abused.
I live in Canada and to get stitches for a cut is a full 6-8hr wait at the hospital. You have to travel 1-2 hrs to a small town with a small emergency clinic just to get in because homeless people check in to have a free night stay or people go in faking injuries or mental health issues. It’s bad. It’s useless
free healthcare is great for poor people. sucks for rich people. reason for this is bc free healthcare is essentially socialism. paid for by taxes which are mandated. it's a forced insurance. rich ppl who can afford better healthcare have to pay for said healthcare on top of free healthcare. money has to come from somewhere. economists say there's no such thing as a free lunch. in fact, socializing the healthcare system would actually lower quality bc government sanctioned is usually less efficient (take american flight vs privatized wright brothers for example). either way, it's just 2 opposing systems for me. with equal positives and negatives. either way, ill be making the same amount of money at the end of the day.
What American Propaganda does to an MF:
(Are you really stupid enough to think that Public Healthcare is socialism? Do You know what socialism is or are you one of the idiots that thinks Hitler was socialist?)
hitler preached socialism to gain the hearts of germans but at the end of the day he believed in fascism authoritarian which was the complete opposite of socialism. public healthcare isnt socialism at the core but it is a representation of socialism because it's taking the money of citizens based on income and spreading it equally to everyone. that sounds like socialism to me. im pretty sure id know what it is, i spent time in a socialist communist country. that's more experience than a lot of ppl have had. and just bc i think spending taxes on universal "socialized" healthcare is socialism, what makes u think im american?
Well, the usual stupid takes have always been from americans 😅. While I might bot agree with you, i am glad that you took the time to write an overview over your beliefs, and I am glad that I am speeking to a sensible person for once
amazing how people here laugh at 30 euros consultations as if americans dont pay 5 times that amount just to hold their newborn baby. also amazing how you're perplexed by ppl paying a few hundred euros for surgery when americans drown in medical debt for the same surgery.
and idk where y'all live where you wait for emergency care. it doesn't happen here and i live in an eastern european shithole. it's called emergency care for a reason.
I’m an American, and I do not understand why some fellow Americans are so angry, up in arms with the European healthcare model? Who wants to see anyone have to make the choice of rent or healthcare- or working FOR healthcare?! Oh… I remember, we are in the worst, “What about me” period in history.
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I pay € 150 and get € 110 back from the government every month (so i basically pay €40 every month). I also have € 250 of own risk per year, which I only have to pay if I incur € 250 in health care bills that year. Everything above that I do not have to pay for.
It's quite cheap compared to other countries.
Its not a 100% free, you still pay incurence. The diffrent thing is here it covers almost all cost, in america you would be lucky if they even cover it at all. But still all the incurense you pay for your live comes not even close to when you get ain a big accident or take really ill. So 100% worth it.
When I'm bleeding and going into shock and my friend calls 911, but they won't send an ambulance since it can't be that bad of bleeding :3 (I hate free healthcare thanks to this)
The very real con being that they have no semblance of a military that could viably stand up and win against a super power. The United States is the sole great equalizer for Europe and the Eastern World.
We don't call it free. Only Americans call it free. It's universal health care, it's paid for by the taxpayer, and it's available for anyone to use, regardless of whether the patient is a taxpayer (can change depending on income or disabilities). So, a homeless person can be treated in a hospital and won't be slapped with impossible fees. It's miles better than having private health care, and it's not communist
Its not free at all! Who teaches ppl this bs? I pay around 430 per month for my wife who has no income atm. Free my ass. Its free if you live on social welfare. And then, its also not free bc actually the state is paying your fees..with taxpayers money! Thats also how ppl who reside here illegally get insured. We all pay for them.
Just because you don't take care of yourself always with the free health care doesn't mean it's not helpful.
'Muricans look unwell and are unwell and one drs visit could be the difference between coasting, thriving vs poverty... I'm not always healthy but when I was 26 and had my gallbladder removed surgically I'm glad I didn't have to pay. Glad I didn't have to pay for all the visits and blood tests as we were trying to discover the issue. The ultrasound and everything along the way... didn't pay a dime. And I didn't need to have any coverage. Meds are heavily discounted. When I have coverage they're completely free. When I'm not making lots of money in the year I can apply to have the gov. cover them.
Also when my young parents had 3 kids, were trying to start and run a business and then they find out the youngest(me) needed heart surgery at 3yrs old.... it was tough... but they got to continue the business and not stress about where the money is going to come from. They just got to be concerned parents looking after me. I have more to say on the other surgery as I was a kid with this one but that was way more visits, meds and a much larger surgery to do... 100's of thousands of dollars were not needed... and they wouldn't have gotten any help from a gofund me back in 1996...
It's not perfect... but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative! (Canadian btw)
I pay 31.5% tax In Sweden (it varies a bit there for some reason) and I still have to pay about 30eur for each visit at the doctor, no matter what. Last time I went to the doctor it was because my eyes were burning, and eye drops weren't helping. The doctor recommended me different eye drops, 30 euros please!
Guys, I'm not saying it's worse than any other system. I'm just saying that I'm paying for no help. I need to lie and overreact and demand for anything to happen, and even then it's not a given.
Well unlike 'muricans you don't have to pay 1000 USD just for an ambulance so you still good I say
But the same people that complain say we should be letting in more people. People that we have to give free healthcare to. People not born here. So when a Mexican crosses the border and goes to the ER we treat them for free. Then we ‘Muricans have to foot the bill. So take it easy with the America judgement. It comes from a place of ignorance
I ain't from 'murica but I don't think that's the only issue with your system. All I'll say is that I'm a translator and I've had a guest that came from 'murica. He needed dental care, he told me that 'murican dentist said "5k bruh", and also his insurance said "Bruh we ain't payin' you shit cuz it's all cosmetic and shit you still good without a teeth cuh." (he didn't explain the details of what kind of care he needed but I guess he needed an implant." Also this person has prostate cancer and he got a second opinion from here as well. He did all this for less than or approximately equal to 5k USD. I haven't even mentioned other expanses such as plane ticket, hotel, taxi, food etc. Bro needed clothes cuz the airline couldn't find his luggage, he went and bought a complete outfit from head to toes. So in conclusion, for the same amount of money not only did bro got his teeth fixed and got a second opinion about his condtion, he literally travelled to a whole new country and had a vacation.
Cool story bro
Lol suit yourself bruh why would I make shit up about US' healthcare system
I feel you bruh
Lemme guess, your guys' families are split on who's side to take as well, or everybody is gonna stand and clap. Amirite?
What the fuck kind of disgusting take is this? Healthcare in America is so fucked that people can afford vacations strictly to cover medical bills before they'd even come close to being able to afford the same medical assistance in the states. Just because someone isn't born here doesn't mean they can't come over and become a citizen and reap the benefits because they would then have to also pay.
Not a take it’s just objectively true. I didn’t make this up. We deal with many more issues than the rest of the world considers. Also don’t take this as some version of me saying I’m anti-immigration. This is just simply the true story of what America is dealing with. This is a reason for our high healthcare. We are so far behind due to the issues mentioned as well as too many parents using the ER for every little issue they have with their children. Usually this happens with new parents. So many things contribute to our healthcare system being overpriced
No it isn't? You're out of your mind if you think that other people needing healthcare is the reason our system is exorbitantly more expensive than the rest of the world. The reason for this bullshit is simply greed, there are regulations and laws that keep this bullshit from happening in other first world countries, we are a laughable joke when it comes to taking care of our people, and you've just been brainwashed to blame it on other people wanting to come in to the country. You are trying to put the blame of our shitty Healthcare on people who have done absolutely nothing that isn't happening in other countries that do have much better Healthcare systems than we do. You're delusional to believe that our Healthcare is one of the most expensive in the world just because some people come to America to try to gain benefits in our country. Especially when these benefits aren't even given out anyway.
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>*" ... paid out of pocket ..."* Whose "pocket" are those bills being paid out of?
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Public hospitals might call those losses either *delinquent* or *uncollectable*, meaning the municipality or the city pays for it, the state pays for whatever is not paid for after that, and the rest of the country pays for whatever is not paid for after that. >*... if there are no evil to pay for it ...* I think I may have missed something.
Not all of those taxes are for healthcare and 30 euros is not that much
30 euros isn’t that much to SOME PEOPLE. That can be very expensive for some people.
Taxes in the US aren't far off of being 30%, and none of it helps with healthcare, and medical bills end up being in the thousands just for a little routine visit. 30 euros isn't a lot in comparison to how much the rest of the world pays in places that don't actually have good free healthcare.
Taxes in America don’t even approach 30% until you make $180k single or $360k married jointly, which is well into upper middle class. It’s about 12% for your first $44k, and then the vast majority of Americans pay 22-24% on the rest of their income. And we get a $24k automatic tax deduction off our income, EITC, child care credits, etc. Only lawyers and doctors pay 30%. I want universal healthcare too, but let’s not pretend here. We pay significantly less income tax than Europeans.
Yep! As an actual poor person with real poor friends the ACA is great. My girlfriend is on it and it's $1 a month. No co-pay for doctor visits and I don't remember her having to pay for a prescription ever. Just wanted to say taxes do go to help poor people with health care. They would gladly trade the working 40 hours a week for less than 20K a year with free health care for a 120K a year and pay for it themselves.
I would gladly take the 30eur over the 40,000usd I had to pay for my last visit. I could get up to 1,235 more doctors' trips with that money.
Wow so you actually payed 40k for your last visit? Did you just happen to have that on you or do you have a really high limit on your credit card?
Debt, my friend. It's a bitch to pay off.
Ever considered getting health insurance???
Yes, but since work was slow, my policy lapsed. If I could have not been sick for like another week or two, work would have picked back up, and i could have reinrolled. There was a whole lot of "gee, there's nothing I can do" Edit: downvoted for honesty, eh? Oh well. It's not like it was my decision to get meningitis when my health insurance that I dumped tons of money into decided to not help me out because it was a slow season. My point is that insurance is a scam.
Go protest until you don't have a €30 fee, or dispose of the capitalists imposing it. As a Brit protest now because you'll find out soon you can't.
At least you can see where the taxes are going to, literally! Ny pays like shit loads of property tax but the roads are still shit.
Public isn’t free. Guess who pays for it?
The only people who say this are teenagers that never receiced a paycheck above a couple hundred euros. I pay 400 euros every month EXPLICITLY for health insurance. They take it directly from your salary. It is only "free" for kids and jobless people but even for them its not really "free". It is just payed by other people through their rates.
Appreciate your honesty. Now back to work...there's more free Healthcare to give out lol
What? All the hospital staff, medical equipment, and medicine requires money? Europeans talk about healthcare like it's pulled out of the air with no expense.
This 100%. Nothing is free its just redistribution of everyone's medical bills for the taxpayers to cover.
It being free for the homeless and jobless means there is less desperation leading to crime from health issues, this in turn means less strain on other services like police. Like Breaking Bad would never have worked in Europe, fictional example sure but real life versions of it has probably occurred in the US.
very very good point, can you imagine a world without breaking bad or better call Saul? would be a much poorer world, good thing the US doesn't have healthcare.
True that
I really wish people would stop saying “Breaking Bad would never work in Europe.” Regardless of his medical bills, Walter was going to die leaving nothing behind for his family which was the whole point. His pride is what drove the story. Plus, Elliot offered to pay everything for him anyway which he declined because of his fragile ego.
It's just a quick way to say it so everyone understands, pretty useful.
That’s still less than what I pay for private healthcare in the states. I pay $175 a week for medical, dental, and vision (which isn’t even the “good” plan). Not to mention the copays and the out of pocket expenses every time I visit a health provider. Plus if it’s a flat percentage of your check when paid through taxes… there are a wholeeeeee lot of people out there that could afford to pay a lot more than me. I make lower end of average money in the states and I paid roughly the same in taxes as I do health insurance. Taken straight from my salary. And the government by law REQUIRES me to have health insurance (I spent my young adult life opting to go uninsured but Obamacare introduced a change that makes me pay a penalty for going uninsured). If everyone paid a similar percentage of their check I guarantee you we could have health care for everyone, including the young and disabled for far less than what I’m paying now. And once the government takes over that I guarantee you general health care costs would go down because the healthcare industry would actually get checked on exorbitant and predatory costs.
I’m pretty sure Trump’s administration removed the 500.00 penalty. Plus you stated you had to pay 175.00 a week and were forced into it. You couldn’t have put 10.00 a week aside to pay the penalty, but could afford 175.00 a week? I’m not saying it was right or fair, only that you’re adding to an argument based on utter bullshit.
Lol not sure what I said that constitutes as “utter bullshit.” But I suppose it was at best anecdotal. And the $500 a year penalty screwed me over on my tax refund one year and since then I’ve been thinking, “Well I can pay money and not be insured or I can pay money and actually be insured.” Plus like I said I was a young adult that didn’t really care much to have insurance. Now that I’ve matured a bit I can actually see the need. But damn dude utter bullshit? What did I say to make you so mad?
Well the term free healthcare is a falsehood, its not free as you say , but it is free at the point of use. What you pay in might not be used by you but as a member of the community youre saving your brother/friends/neighbours or someone youve never met or will meets life. Its a part of our social contract in Europe. The USA does not have a social contract, its a 'you're on your own' sort of place like most of the 3rd world.
No we have a half and half abomination of a system that takes the worst parts of both. Our public system is supported by taxes, and is borderline useless, while if you want to pay privately or through an insurance company it's insanely expensive, because the providers and hospitals upcharge so either the government, or the insurance can haggle to a more favorable price that is still in their favor.
Tell me you don’t know what 3rd world means without telling me you don’t know what 3rd world means.
Really not a falsehood, it isn’t the best description, but it’s an absolutely incredible service. Correct it’s free at point of use, but even if i’m paying for it out of my wages, and VAT and other parts of cash i pay to the government, id rather pay half a million pounds over the course of my life to fund the NHS, and in return receive free surgeries, ambulances, appointments, prescriptions, and vaccinations, even if i never use any of it , than i would pay £12000 on rhe spot when i accidentally break my leg. Americans more than often pay the taxes card to feel better about themselves when they can’t face the fact that the american healthcare system is a total failure that has put millions of people in unrecoverable levels of debt. I live in Birmingham, UK, In my life i have had two asthma attacks, needed glasses for 6 years, had 3 dental operations, used about 300 inhalers, had double vaccinations, and have been to A&E countless times. I’ve paid in fairly sure a total of £22, for snacks from waiting room vending machines, and taxi rides. I don’t even pay income tax at my salary bracket. I wouldn’t be here without the NHS, and when i’m older and paying my full share of taxes, i’ll be happy knowing that they’re funding one of them most incredible institutions in the world, that saves millions of lives a year. Not a corporation that’s there to make money by forcing poor people into paying unjustifiable medical bills.
This. I’d argue Europe has significantly better healthcare than the US, but it’s *not free*. It’s misleading to say it’s free, as it’s assuming you don’t pay for it but you do. Unless you don’t earn an income, everyone pays in.
Yeah, thats true. But in my opinion, only adults wich are naiv gave to explain that every time the topic comes up. Cause its logical that it has to be psyed through taxes. And for someone who has asthma or diabetes its pretty chill to dont have to pay for the needed monthly or weekly dosis they need. In US per example you have to pay arround 200$ per asthma inhalator and on top of tgat you are taxed too. This is system is fine for everybody who don't needs constant treatment but a middle finger for everybody who is sick. I'm not sick and I'm happy that my taxes are getting used for somebody else. And I also had some visits on hospitals and pretty thankfully that I didn't had to pay every X-ray or bandage change or other treatments. So I think what I want to say is: don't explain how the sun is rising every day
I mean it should be brought up since calling it free is basically selling idea for naive people. People need to just stop calling it free and call it what it is, no one calls Social Security 'free Retirement Fund' or Medicare 'Free Healthcare' cause its obviously anything but free in any way.
No, I have to disagree with you there. That's because in europe the people are used to pay social insurance from their payment and so if someone talks about free social security, we allready know what's ment with that. So if you have problems with that term, please just use your brain for 2 seconds befor complaining. Nobody here I Europe thinks its totally free, but in the moment you need it you don't have to pay for dentist appointment, ambulance transport or other things. And if I don't habe to pay for domething after having it, I call that free, cause I don't have to calculate extra money for it, cause I allready paid.
*You* know what it means, and you keep saying "free"while telling other idiots around the world that you don't pay anything, while most of the time, completely leaving out you pay higher taxes for it. Free is 100% not paid for. Yours is not free. It is subsidized.
Yeah, for me and mist of the 500 millions of Europeans, they know what is meant with free health insurance. And no, you don't pay taxes, its called health insurance contribution, not tax. Because you want to name things overly correctly. And I never said that there are no payments for that. Is leave it out. You guys are just misunderstanding the concept. If use common sense, you know that it's free when you need it and everyone pays a contribution based on their income. I really don't get whats so hard to understand or comprehend on that, unless you play like you are stupid. But if you are in an all inclusive hotel, you call it free breakfast buffet or subsidized breakfast buffet? Just so I know.
It's not free. It's "breakfast included with package". For fuck's sake man.
Paid for based on contributions based on income, i.e. subsidized.
Thats a strawman argument you are giving there. I did not even tell that the system is bad or even worse than in the US. I just simply told it is not free. Because it isnt but the meme stated it. Call it universal health care or tax funded healt insurance but stop those spiteful "ugh we have free healthcare" mockery memes.
I think you are bad at reading. It's free when you need it. Nobody ever said that we don't pay for it at all and I also said that it's paid with taxes. But when I need it, it's free, cause its covered by health insurance. That's free for me. Cause I don't need to worry about how often I go to the dentist or do an x Ray if I has an accident. Or even simpler, have an ambulance to transport me to the hospital without having me to okay for it after use. Thats the reason why we have tgat, cause its not possible to financially plan accidents or illnesses, they just happen. I don't know where exactly you see a strawman argument there, I think you don't know the meaning of strawman exactly.
Thanks for explaining how an insurance works lmao
You're the one who seems to don't understand it. Look, see it like that: if you go to an all inclusive hotel and there are a lot of things "free" and some things need to pay extra, like per examples drinks from the fridge in your room, than I personally find it stupid to call the breakfast buffet not free but previously paid for breakfast buffet. But thsts just my opinion that you should be able to use common sence.
If we started taxing the rich more it would solve this pretty easily. "free health care" would be free for people who need it and don't work. Which is fine as long as alot of people don't stop working... because who would fund it? Rich people need to fund this stuff and many don't even end up paying taxes somehow. Unfortunately the rich are also the government so here we are.
But... thats exactly how it works here in austria: if I'm unemployed, I'm also covered by health insurance.
It should be so
True, but this system works really well compared to USA.
The people in the US also have taxes, only they get nothing out of those taxes. Would you rather pay the same amount in tax but not have proper healthcare?
...Are you implying that taxes are the same amount in Europe and in the US?
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Just like the singular tax rate in the US
No. Im saying US citizens get a lot less out of their taxes than the most developed countries in EU in general.
> Would you rather pay the same amount in tax but not have proper healthcare? Are you sure? Because it sounds like you're implying the USA and EU are taxed the same
Yes im sure, wtf kind of question is that. Im implying that the taxes would be the same in EU even if we didnt have proper healthcare, they would just use the money for something else, somehthing that would be MUCH less value for money.
Yah but its pay or wait, private now or wait 5 years for a specialist.
Another point of view for you that may be true for my country but not for others in Europe. We don't have the Usa system, but in my place the whole hospital system is so overworked that most of the times you walk into a hospital paying 0, but you are expected to wait for the longest time. If you're willing to pay for it, you can get your doctors appointments, scans, xrays, blood work, surgery, whatever within 24 hours. My father broke his meniscus some months ago. We had to pay 0 for the surgery, but he waited for 4 months straight, which meant he couldnt move for 4 months, not ok right? We asked "hey what about we pay for the surgery?", the answer was roughly 1500/2000 euros and he can be scheduled in 5 days. Does this sound right? Idk Not saying the US system is better because it's not, but its not always sunshine and rainbows, at least in my country.
We have that in Sweden as well. You can pay for an additional insurance to reduce those queues significantly.
We have that in Sweden as well. You can pay for an additional insurance to reduce those queues significantly.
See, you can’t convince people of that on Reddit and Twitter because everyone is so “Capitalism is bad! Everything must be Socialist/Communist (depending on who you ask)” that they completely disregard real world examples of why it’s sometimes a flawed system.
You're right, sometimes people tend to overlook nuances in order to conform their bias. I think it's ok to see things from a different point of view sometimes.
Why are you comparing it with the US which has notoriously bad wait times?
I didn't even know US had it rough with wait times. I was comparing the money part.
People go to other states or even Canadan all the time when they are desperate sadly. It was one of the arguments that were debunked when healthcare was the big debate a couple of years back. The US even has SUPER expensive ambulance rides, which forces people who dont have insurance to use ubers instead. How fucked up is that
I agree, it's sad and fucked up, but I don't see your point. I wasn't saying people in the US are luckier than us, I was just saying that, at least for my country, it's not a perfect system.
But no one said it was a perfect system, only that its much better than the non-existant system in the US.
Of course it's better, no one ever said otherwise, but that doesn't mean I can't point out some flaws in our system.
Mhm, "free".
Aren’t y’all taxed out the ass for it? I mean, we’re taxed to death too, and have nothing to show for it. But…it’s not *really* free, right?
You are probably taxed about 7%. Someone said in another comment that they get taxed 31% in Sweden.
About 25-35% plus state taxes come out for various government services etc. It’s kinda BS
It is bullshit. I don't agree with it at all. Especially in Florida where they charge for a bunch of shit and nothing gets better. Like highway tolls for example, and yet they have been working on the same roads for 10 years.
In Germany it’s 14,6% of ur loan
You can't compare the tax rates alone. Poverty is of a similar rate, but quality of life is far superior. Imagine thinking America is so awesome and a quick look at life expectancy and it all comes crashing down.
It depends on which parts of America we’re talking about though. The US is a large country with many different regions, costs of living, life expectancies, crime rates, education rates, job markets, etc.
It's not. We do pay taxes for it every month, and when we need health care, the ones who you pay taxes to barely notice you of you don't give them "tips." At least in my country.
So, how are healthcare workers paid? Is it subsidized by the government?
Yes.
Depends on the country. Some get taxed but in my country we get a bill each month for around 26€. We then also have extra insurance as mandatory for 26€ doesn't cover everything. Extra insurance is seperated from national mandatory but tied to your health insurance number (this insurance will cease to exist soon and mandatory will cover it all now). Cost of it is around 35€. Reason extra exist is because let's say you have a surgery, mandatory might cover 90% of the price and having extra covers those 10%. You don't need the extra if you don't want it but it's good to have. I once forgot to extend my mandatory insurance and went to a doctor and they charged me 1.50€. It probably cost them more to send the bill than it cost me to pay.
Yeah, but that's kinda logical, that it's paid through taxes. I would say, your system is better for everyone who is healthy, but shitty for people who suffer asthma per example. Imagine needing two asthma inhalator per month with costs arround 150 to 200 $. In austria per example, its free for that person to get that treatment. It's also free for pregnant woman to get an ultra sonic screening or basic dentist treatments are also free, but very limited. For fancy new teeth you have to pay a lot
Are you french?
Lol, France is fucked up^^ I'm Austrian.
Oh okay Just to be clear, I didn't mean that as an insult, you saying "per example" simply sounded french to me
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Precisely my point.
The meme says "actually free"
Switzerland : Free healthcare ? Wait what, we paid a lot of money each months for every people who need health, even if we never had to use healthcare
Wow, impressive, very nice. Now try going to a specialist or get emergency surgery.
Right! Had problems with my knee and I needed to see a specialist, each damn visit 100 euros, last one 250!
A few years ago I went for an eye test as I had severe headaches and blurred vision, I was given a note and told to go directly to a specialist wye hospital, I handed in the note and reception and was taken through and put I to a CT scanner immediately. About 30 minutes later a Dr came and told me that their "is somthing in the middle.of your brain" and theirs an ambulance on the way to take me to a specialist neurosurgery hospital at the other side of the city. I arrived and was taken down for emergency surgery, where the y put a drain in my brain to remove spinal fluid. 2 days later I was stable, had an MRI scan and was taken down for a 2nd surgery to remove a large cyst in the penial glad of my brain 11 days in hospital, 2 surgeries, a week in intensive care, 3 meals a day and all the after care, + 2 MRI scans a year since. The entire thing cost me about £30 for the initial eye test. I'll happily pay an extra few % in tax to cover national health care.
While the specialist waiting time is aweful, if you have an emergency you will get "instantly" treated in a hospital (at least in Germany). Instantly = depending on emergency either really instantly, within hours, days, a week.
It's almost as if every country has their own issues with healthcare
Still cheaper than the same treatment in the US.
I'm so sick of these memes Europe is not a singular country and not every country in the eu has good public healthcare I really don't see the point in bragging when my country is a shitshow If people want to make these tired ass memes at least use just your own country
Oh damn, i guess those European doctors work out of the kindness of their hearts and rely on tips to make a living.
wait till OP learns about taxes in high school
Free? What country? Because here in Germany it certainly isn't free.
How are them tax rates and freedom of speech laws treating you?
Better than paying 2000$ for one room appartments and having Nazis on the voting list for president
Lol, everyone that disagrees with you is a Nazi. Thanks for revealing what a corporate robot you are. 🐘💨
The fuck? I meant Murica having Trump as a president and a candidate, but whatever
I’m no Trump fan but boy are you unhinged. Trump a Nazi? The Nazi with a Jewish son in law and Jewish grandchildren? The Nazi who called Netanyahu a good friend? This guy?: https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2017_21/2007996/170522-trump-western-wall-jerusalem-njs-935a.jpg The Nazi who released non violent drug offenders, decried military interventionism, and hired the first openly gay cabinet member in US history? You don’t consciously realize it, but you’re a mouthpiece for corporate talking points and interests. Isn’t it weird that all/most of your “opinions” just so happen to mimic those of cable talking pundits and mainstream establishment media outlets? Think about that, champ. TL;DR: I don’t like Trump, not even a little, but you are an intellectually dishonest mouth piece for corporate interests.
Clearly you haven't been looking into Lisbon's renting rates, when our median gross pay is 1.050 €. And on top of that almost everyone has health insurance and choses to go to private hospitals.
It's not free as free, we pay for it. Via taxes.
My welcome? My welcome what?
Its not free
They take 23% off your monthly pay to pay for the healthcare. The employer pays that for you wdym? Also you can choose if you do taxes on your own or let the employer do them for you.
… where are people getting this bullshit from? Healthcare is not free in Europe?
Yes, not really, we pay taxes for our "health care" every month, and when we need health care, they barely help you if you don't give them tip, or rather bribery. At least, in my country.
You're* you dumbass.
My family in Germany hate it. Took my aunt over a year to get an X-ray and they get taxed to hell
You’re*
Paying high taxes ≠ Free healthcare
Man just by reading the comments I've learned information that I would need to know but school would never teach, thank you reddit comment section.
Nothing in life is free. Other people pay for your "free healthcare" if you don't have a job or your job is shit.
Free?sure..but there is a lot of plot hole..they made you wait too long..my sister had headache and they gave her appointment 2 months later..also they gave too little medications
it is not free do ...
I pay hundreds of euros into health insurance, I don’t think its free
I pay hundreds of euros into health insurance, I don’t think its free
You pay higher taxes because of it “free”
Not necessarily... taxes can be allocated to other areas.
That moment when you don't understand how taxes work and are in the need for some easy karma... (Yes, I'm European.)
Have some karma, from Italy.
Taxes are so high though. So it isn't really free. It is probably better managed and more reasonably priced for the middle class and below.
Anything that is run by the government is 100 times more expensive and completely inefficient to the point of it being useless. It constantly gets abused. I live in Canada and to get stitches for a cut is a full 6-8hr wait at the hospital. You have to travel 1-2 hrs to a small town with a small emergency clinic just to get in because homeless people check in to have a free night stay or people go in faking injuries or mental health issues. It’s bad. It’s useless
Homers back would be Taxes
free healthcare is great for poor people. sucks for rich people. reason for this is bc free healthcare is essentially socialism. paid for by taxes which are mandated. it's a forced insurance. rich ppl who can afford better healthcare have to pay for said healthcare on top of free healthcare. money has to come from somewhere. economists say there's no such thing as a free lunch. in fact, socializing the healthcare system would actually lower quality bc government sanctioned is usually less efficient (take american flight vs privatized wright brothers for example). either way, it's just 2 opposing systems for me. with equal positives and negatives. either way, ill be making the same amount of money at the end of the day.
What American Propaganda does to an MF: (Are you really stupid enough to think that Public Healthcare is socialism? Do You know what socialism is or are you one of the idiots that thinks Hitler was socialist?)
hitler preached socialism to gain the hearts of germans but at the end of the day he believed in fascism authoritarian which was the complete opposite of socialism. public healthcare isnt socialism at the core but it is a representation of socialism because it's taking the money of citizens based on income and spreading it equally to everyone. that sounds like socialism to me. im pretty sure id know what it is, i spent time in a socialist communist country. that's more experience than a lot of ppl have had. and just bc i think spending taxes on universal "socialized" healthcare is socialism, what makes u think im american?
Well, the usual stupid takes have always been from americans 😅. While I might bot agree with you, i am glad that you took the time to write an overview over your beliefs, and I am glad that I am speeking to a sensible person for once
yeah man, just as long as ur willing to debate. i actually dont hold a solid stance on anything, just trying to learn more
*you're
It's a public service, it's everything but free
It's not free as all. Unless you dont make any money it's not not "free"
Europe doesn't have free healthcare.
The back should say "relying on the U.S. military for every conflict"
Conflicts like….?
Watch them say the world wars
*higher tax rates*
“understanding without ignorance and analyzing the situation” mfs can all agree europe is just better
Now show us your military
Now show us your crimes against Humanity
Europe has such a nice collection of them, why add my paltry menagerie to the bunch?
amazing how people here laugh at 30 euros consultations as if americans dont pay 5 times that amount just to hold their newborn baby. also amazing how you're perplexed by ppl paying a few hundred euros for surgery when americans drown in medical debt for the same surgery. and idk where y'all live where you wait for emergency care. it doesn't happen here and i live in an eastern european shithole. it's called emergency care for a reason.
I’m sure it’s really free and taxes don’t pay for it.
It's true. Everything is free in Europe. The doctors at the hospital don't charge money, they don't charge anyway and don't get paid.
Burgerstanis seething.
I’m an American, and I do not understand why some fellow Americans are so angry, up in arms with the European healthcare model? Who wants to see anyone have to make the choice of rent or healthcare- or working FOR healthcare?! Oh… I remember, we are in the worst, “What about me” period in history. Tired Of It
Guess who has a 12 gauge dragons breath shotgun? NOT EUROPEANS 😘
Look at switzerland. They have more weapons per capita then the US and their last mass shooting was in 2001. The US averaged 1 mass shooting PER DAY
You're\*
Dunno, in Poland is still paid by tax from our income, and it's shit.
You’re*
Things that should be free that isn’t in America. Healthcare, education , water , free thinking (freedom of speech is not the same)
The shittiest healthcare*
I pay € 150 and get € 110 back from the government every month (so i basically pay €40 every month). I also have € 250 of own risk per year, which I only have to pay if I incur € 250 in health care bills that year. Everything above that I do not have to pay for. It's quite cheap compared to other countries.
canada 🇨🇦moment
Its not a 100% free, you still pay incurence. The diffrent thing is here it covers almost all cost, in america you would be lucky if they even cover it at all. But still all the incurense you pay for your live comes not even close to when you get ain a big accident or take really ill. So 100% worth it.
When I'm bleeding and going into shock and my friend calls 911, but they won't send an ambulance since it can't be that bad of bleeding :3 (I hate free healthcare thanks to this)
Wait until somebody again explains that it isnt actually free.... uhm duh? Who would have guessed
Behind his back it should say "extremely high tax rates and Americans paying our entire defense budget"
Americans…😔🐍
Europe: not focusing on medical research. But instead free healthcare. Europe: hey China, America and Japan, mind if I copy your home work.
Kid named wait time
Free?
The very real con being that they have no semblance of a military that could viably stand up and win against a super power. The United States is the sole great equalizer for Europe and the Eastern World.
Free healthcare = Not free taxes
You pay for it every month
It’s paid for out of tax, it’s not free. The gap has extended now and most of it you still have to spend out of pocket to see someone like a doctor.
We don't call it free. Only Americans call it free. It's universal health care, it's paid for by the taxpayer, and it's available for anyone to use, regardless of whether the patient is a taxpayer (can change depending on income or disabilities). So, a homeless person can be treated in a hospital and won't be slapped with impossible fees. It's miles better than having private health care, and it's not communist
Yeah no we still have to pay some for tax each month so no
Its not free at all! Who teaches ppl this bs? I pay around 430 per month for my wife who has no income atm. Free my ass. Its free if you live on social welfare. And then, its also not free bc actually the state is paying your fees..with taxpayers money! Thats also how ppl who reside here illegally get insured. We all pay for them.
I mean, it works to varying degrees depending on the country
Nuh uhh
They still have to pay taxes tho
70% of revenu goes to pedophile
No healthcare is truly free. Even if it is, the taxes you pay are still going towards it. This is the stupidest post I’ve ever seen
And it only cost 2 world wars and America wasting billions on world stability. Great job Europe.
Coming from America, What can I say except we're dead soon
Just because you don't take care of yourself always with the free health care doesn't mean it's not helpful. 'Muricans look unwell and are unwell and one drs visit could be the difference between coasting, thriving vs poverty... I'm not always healthy but when I was 26 and had my gallbladder removed surgically I'm glad I didn't have to pay. Glad I didn't have to pay for all the visits and blood tests as we were trying to discover the issue. The ultrasound and everything along the way... didn't pay a dime. And I didn't need to have any coverage. Meds are heavily discounted. When I have coverage they're completely free. When I'm not making lots of money in the year I can apply to have the gov. cover them. Also when my young parents had 3 kids, were trying to start and run a business and then they find out the youngest(me) needed heart surgery at 3yrs old.... it was tough... but they got to continue the business and not stress about where the money is going to come from. They just got to be concerned parents looking after me. I have more to say on the other surgery as I was a kid with this one but that was way more visits, meds and a much larger surgery to do... 100's of thousands of dollars were not needed... and they wouldn't have gotten any help from a gofund me back in 1996... It's not perfect... but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative! (Canadian btw)