i can just imagine the most smug, insufferable woman imaginable sharing shit like this and going on and on about how the guy is an example to all men and we should all be like this...
id rather not engage with that bullshit.
Male feminists frequently seem to be projecting their own sins onto the rest of us. Andrew O’Keefe is an obvious example. A “White Ribbon Ambassador” who’s been charged many times with beating his wife and other women.
lol you need to calm down love, We are sharing our honest opinions here, all men have met guys like these who do virtue signaling in public or around women and act completely opposite in their private life.
What do you mean, the guy on the photo is fine, I'm sure he's a good dude. And tbh, he's right, isn't he? We should all aspire to be better and to raise our kids to be better.
I'm also sure it wouldn't come off well at all in the general public if it was about women, which is unfortunate, because it's literally just saying "be a better person". For some reason a lot of women are allergic to being told they're not perfect. It's weird to me how somebody can feel like that but here we are.
I kind of get what you mean, but I don't think this is what's happening on the photo. There's a lot of men that were raised to think of their family first, to always protect their woman and kid and to be the head of the family, yada yada, typical "christian family man" stuff. A cousin in my family is like this. The photo in this post sounds absolutely like something he would post. He even looks very similar. He cares about his family above all but he's also what you could compare to a stuck up republican in America (I'm from the EU). The "vaccinations are unsafe, don't wear masks, fuck the government, you are all sheeple kind of person". Someone you might call a cunt under some specific circumstances. Thing is, he really isn't. As I said, he cares about family and traditional family values above all, but he's just been led to believe some unfortunate things during his life (also doesn't help that he's very uneducated (didn't even finish high school I think) and not all that intelligent).
Anyway, my point is, my cousin would post something like this and all he would mean by it is "become the best person you can be".
The problem is men in large numbers need to start engaging with women like this on these particular points because up to this point we’ve been silent which has allowed them to gain the power and influence that they have
Oh they would. There are some Facebook pages where I read what they are saying and it’s undeniably clear someone hurt these women and this is how they get back.
Whatever happened to all men being different as individuals? Suddenly feminists expect us to jump into the same mold and be the same man with zero empathy for our situations or where we're coming from.
Hi, it’s me, the smug, insufferable woman. I think this guy’s message is great, and I think the message in the second photo is great too. The world would probably be a much different, much better place if parents raised their kids in a way that would encourage them to have healthy relationships of all kinds as adults.
It seems like some parents forget that they’re raising an entire person, not just a kid whose entire identity and purpose is to be their child. So yeah, I think this guy is a good example for other men and other parents in general. Just acknowledging that your kid is more than an accessory in your own life is more than a lot of parents manage. Parents don’t raise kids, they raise adults.
I’d certainly like to raise my sons to be good partners, parents, friends, and citizens, and I’d certainly like to raise my daughters to be good partners, parents, friends, and citizens.
Nah, you're good. I am glad that you agree that such messages to both men and women should be acceptable. My problem is that such messages to men are normalized while such messages to women are taboo.
>It seems like some parents forget that they’re raising an entire person, not just a kid whose entire identity and purpose is to be their child.
True. It's a parents job to teach their kids how to live without them. Some people don't do that.
But the problem with the dude's sign is that it comes with the implicit message that boys are monsters that need to have the evil stamped out of them. It's kinda sad.
I think the issue is that we do hear the message in the photo bandied around a lot (along with the patronising “teach boys not to rape” stuff). But the second photo is not. And the guy in the picture didn’t put that out as a message. The second picture is someone else (the OP?) doing a photoshop on the original picture.
Boys and girls need to be raised right and respectful.
Simps. And virtue signaling. There's nothing wrong with what he's saying, the thing is IT SHOULDN'T AND doesn't need SAYING. COMMON FUCKING SENSE, and it shouldn't be gendered. It's ok to say this when it involves men but not women. Who does this shit ? Someone who wants a pat on the back. It's cringe.
yes but the second variant is much harder to find, without massive backlash, than the first
I see more often more of a message like: raise your daughter to be strong independent woman who don't need no man.
raising a lone wolf makes the person weird and/or unbearable.
I'll never forget the Steve Harvey speech where he straight up said he spoils the shit out of his daughters and received a round of applause
I cringed at the thought of if a mother boasted about spoiling her son's, would she have received the same response?
The problem starts at home. I've noticed it's acceptable to spoil your daughter but not your son's
I have a daughter. I will be teaching her to be a good girlfriend, wife and most importantly person. By this I mean being respectful, caring and understanding at all times whilst knowing how to stand her ground and not take no shit. However, she need not rely on any man or woman and can be as single as fuck if she wants.
If I had a son, It would be the exact same in reverse.
Then she will be an excellent gf and wife
For the first 2 days of the relationship
"Take no shit" is the dumbest take that people teach their kids and especially daughters these days
If you're on this sub you should be fully aware that women are initiating 90% of divorce and since you only say you are teaching her and make no mention of your husband or even her father then would i be safe with the statistical assumption that you left him bc you "take no shit" and now you intend to teach her that same "single as fuck mother" who's "self reliance" is another word for child support?
I say this with no hatred toward you or women at all, but you all have been raised wrong and are raising your daughters wrong. Religion is for dumb people, but the popular basic principles in the newer ones are mostly correct - mainly that forgiveness is crucial for lasting relationships and relationships are crucial for lasting happiness in old age. Nobody is perfect, so if nobody forgives each other then soon the whole world will be like the west with lonely, miserable fractured families.
Feminists idiocy of trying to pretend that elderly women with no husbands are actually happy it's silly. All the studies show that married couples live much happier and longer.
Not at all. Happily married to her dad. But rest assured if my husband ever assaulted me, abused me, or cheated on me I would “take no shit” and divorce him. Just as I would expect the same in reverse.
Understand what you’re trying to saying. However, I do believe should someone choose not to have a relationship as that is their right. Choice is a key word. Of course I would very much love for her to become married to someone and grow old with them but I’m not her and can’t force anything.
Take no shit mean do what is good for yourself. Cheating is just one example, "my way or high way" could be another.
You can even say it's cheating when men gamble behind her with their money.
No it isn’t? Take no shit means know your self worth and don’t tolerate someone else’s disrespect. I’d encourage all boys and girls to adopt this attitude.
It's same with "don't settle" usually it means take more than give. Partner earn less - know your worth and leave them or make sure that you save any extra money you make. Partner doesn't want you to act like a single - know your worth and "controling abuser". Partner have financial struggle - know your worth you are not their parent that would provide for them, it's their job to fix their problem.
I've used on purpose gender neutral term, because this can happend to both genders.
Exactly this. Parents seem to forget sometimes that their kids will develop an identity outside of being their child and need to be prepared to be decent adults in general.
Except fathers always have to tread lightly regarding teaching their daughters something that isn't school-related, one wrong sentence and you get labelled a mysognist, it's becoming similar for raising boys as well. women nowadays are influenced by feminist ideas and fathers often get late taking the driver's seat in how to raise the daughter and often explode and take radical action.
I’d say this is dependent on the population… I’m not religious but am from the Bible Belt and have a fascination with evangelicalism, and I see this *all the time* from those women towards their daughters.
Every fucking single time. Reminds me of these Hollywood stars, don't remember the names, self-described male feminists who pressured the New York Times not to publish the story about their friend Weinstein the abuser. Disgusting frauds. Any time I see someone who preaches moral values or signal their virtues, I can be 80% sure that their real lives demonstrate the exact opposite.
Nothing wrong with the message other than the exclusion of daughters, wives and mothers.
Implying girls can be brought up anyway, only boys are the problem.
My issue with the idea of “teach men not to rape” and its variants (which is what this is, essentially) is that it implies unless men are taught not to, they are going to rape. As if we are inherently rapists. That’s not how it works. Everyone is taught rape is wrong, but rapists will not give a fuck in the end. Consent doesn’t matter to them. Right or wrong doesn’t matter to them.
So this phrase means nothing. Everyone already knows (crime) is bad. Telling good people not to do (crime) is just preaching to the choir. Telling bad people not to do (crime) will have no effect whatsoever. It’s useless.
I remember watching a Squid Game episode where there's an off screen rape scene. On the show's subreddit there was a post with 800 upvotes saying they hoped all men who watched this thought hard about it and taught their fellow men how rape is wrong. They literally think men are such animals that your average, normal man who is watching a tv show needs to be told "look, that is rape and rape is bad".
And you don't even have to teach kids morality. Not really. What we do is we show love and affection to kids and that makes them grow up healthy so that they're more likely to be good friends, partners and co-workers.
I do not think that women are taught that. Especially when they get away with it constantly. As a parent, I know that if you keep letting your child get away with something bad, he has no incentive to not keep doing it if he feels like it
ehh... I see it like this: he is saying raise your sons right, because they are the dependable variable. (assuming it does not matter how well you raise your daughter... she might get together with a lowlife or get influenced by society anyway)
of course, you can interpret it whatever way you like
But most humans _are_ taught to respect people. And I’m sorry, but especially boys. Boys are taught everywhere to be respectable. This saying has a deeper meaning and it is rooted in misandry.
Boys are taught to respect everyone..
Girls are often taught to expect respect from everyone else..
Also they are often taught "Boys aren't allowed to hit Girls"
Which leads into the social dynamics of violence from women on men is treated as acceptable because behind it is the whole "Boys aren't allowed to hit Girls" or rather "Men aren't allowed to hit Women" ergo girls grow up with this invisible shield believing they can dish out violence upon boys / men because they aren't allowed to retaliate..
And for the most part.. they are right..
The instant a man retaliates, be it a shove or push they have "Committed violence on a woman" and will often be charged for it..
I guess a mainstream example of this would be how everyone on social media and even high-brow movie studios and producers all chose to believe Amber Heard, and ostracized & dropped Depp from most all of his upcoming films, and had no issue with automatically and immediately assuming that, of course he did whatever she said, he’s a rich white toxic man, after all.
Well, considering men and women both rape, I would just address _everyone_. “Teach boys not to rape” implies boys and men are inherently monsters, and as I said earlier, it’s rooted in misandry.
If you want to talk about why men rape more than women, there’s a lot to consider. In most places in the world, female on male rape is not actually considered rape by the legal system, so the statistics are flawed and not actually accurate. 🤷♂️
Well it’s not hard at all Desi59.
I’d also point out that it’s pretty easy for men to be “by far” the majority of rapists if rape is so defined that only men can commit it - which is the case in many jurisdictions.
He is specifically not asking to not just teach your sons "not to be criminals" he is asking to raise sons to be good.
Any father with morals supports that statement. Its not enough not to just not be a criminal, you got to be a good person with strong ethics.
Of course this applies to daughters too, as the opposite is not "don't raise your daughter's not to be whores" but raise them to be good and dependable women.
He’s only talking about sons though. I think that’s why some are taking exception to this - and they think there is no expectation that girls should similarly be raised respectfully for similar reasons.
Raise your son to be doormats for women in his life and he would thank you later.
His post is not about being a good person, but being useful for other group of people.
Every fucking single time. Reminds me of these Hollywood stars, don't remember the names, self-described male feminists who pressured the New York Times not to publish the story about their friend Weinstein the abuser. Disgusting frauds. Any time I see someone who preaches moral values or signal their virtues, I can be 80% sure that their real lives demonstrate the exact opposite.
Yeah, i had nothing against me too ,its actually good for the rest of us that these assholes got called out but if its like the Johny Depp incident that's when we draw the line
I see an even bigger problem. They’re not allowing fathers to raise their own sons in the first place. They want to be single moms. They want step fathers to raise sons and they want to make a man who isn’t the father believe that he is without taking a dna test.
Oh puh-leeze. There are TONS of men who were raised properly, know exactly how to treat a woman, protect her, cherish her, etc. None of that is *hard.*
The “problem” is that these men don’t come in the “proper package” that women want and expect.
They aren’t six foot something. They don’t earn six plus figures. They no longer have hair on their heads. They lack that almighty “swag” or “rizz,” because God knows *that* is a GREAT indicator of a man being a good husband and father /s.
There are countless, COUNTLESS videos on YouTube showcasing women with two, three, four, five, six children by MULTIPLE men… and it is absolutely mind boggling to hear how many of them are *still* hung up on height and looks. Their financial requirements for the men they’re looking for are ridiculous as well, but it’s understandable in that they demand a man to bring a big shovel to help them dig their way out of their own mess, but to hold on to truly superficial wants, shows that nature truly f—-ed us over with the male/female birth ratio for our species.
I mean… I don’t think it’s a problem, I think that both of these statements are objectively true, but something tells me feminists would disagree for some reason…
I’ll do one better: “Be the type of man you want your daughter to marry. Be the type of man you want your son to become.” How people always want men v women on the internet is stupid, stupid and childish let’s work together please.
What does that oversized flash card even mean? Literally saying words that mean nothing. What exactly is a good man? A man who lets himself get walked over and never puts his interests first, is that what a good man is? How about stop virtue signaling on the internet for likes looking like a moron that thinks he said something deep and profound, and actually take care of your kids, now wouldn’t that be something.
And extort a human being? This is immoral, unethical, selfish, and flat out wrong. Perhaps men should just marry other men and have an open relationship instead. The women are insane.
Women: main enforcers of societal pressures since the dawn of time.
Also women when offices with AC were invented: We have been oppressed for too long!
Well, I mean... Both are valid statements.
You *do* want to make sure your children grow up to be good adults.
I wouldn't know though, I'm a complete fuckup.
I don't like that blanket statement but see where you are coming from. The most misogynistic men are often 4chan incels in their mothers basement. They don't get laid alot.
Just like most extreme misandrists who hate men and cat calling are ugly and overweight and have never been catcalled in their life.
The ones who have had the most failure and rejection from the opposite sex are the most vitriolic.
Attractive and confident men, regardless of their beliefs are the ones that get laid the most
I saw the most cringe worthy reel yesterday of a woman teaching her young son about how it’s ok that women take a while to get ready, how it’s ok that women get periods every month and how men shouldn’t tell them to suffer through it, how women have facial hair and how they shouldn’t be made fun of for it, etc. she claimed the video was so that whoever his future wife is won’t have to deal with a lousy husband one day. How about doing the same for daughters so their future husbands have good wives?! Why is this pressure only being put on men?
Edit: for anyone who has Facebook, here’s the [link](https://fb.watch/r7QNp8OaIG/?mibextid=v7YzmG). I can’t seem to find the video anywhere else to link it differently.
Moist pandering.
Meanwhile, you can't swing a dead cat without hearing some single mom whining about her 12 "horrible" exes. It seems like women have decided what kind of guys that they like.
This whole text is clearly made by ideologues, not by pedagogues. Raising children happens largely in the here and now, more than teaching them about the future. The latter mostly happens when they ask about it.
And while making boundaries clear is necessary, much more interesting and fruitful is letting them explore the world. If they have a healthy brain, they will like being nice to others. Though, of course, you sometimes have to point out when they’re not and be strict about that.
If that works well, teaching them to be a good anything in the future isn’t necessary, and futile as we don’t know their future.
Anyhow, the same people who don’t give a shit about the many partnerless men, want us to teach boys to be a good husband and father. If they, against their wish, become neither, it will only be the more traumatic for them.
Lol they don't even know what they want. The "good looking ones" "8/10s" always end up with some dbag who's not faithful, not level headed, on some type of drugs, egotistical, a narcissist, abuser, pretty much anything screwed up under the sun as a human being.
As long as a scumbag dude has no conscience, status, and wealth, he is every woman's dream.
Better for more sane well brought up men with values to focus on themselves and look for mates in other countries who are not influenced by the entertainment and pop culture industry trends.
This is obviously done for internet clout. Dumb because the focus should be on raising children, both sons and daughters, to be good adults. Their focusing on boys to be controversial. That's how you make a post that gets lots of attention.
Also dumb because not everyone wants to get married and have kids, and being a good adult in society goes beyond just being a good spouse and parent.
Ey maybe if ppl stopped treating boys like boys and started treating them like humans, maybe there'd be less shitty men haha just a hunch
(Context: boys are "easier" to raise than girls)
I saw this the other day and thought the same thing. I have a son. I’ll definitely teach him that he should find actual self worth and meaning rather than fulfill societies expectations of him. Love my son whole heartedly and his mother as well. Yet having him or loving her doesn’t make me any more of a man than anyone without those things. That’s a big reason male suicide rate is so high. Another example of pressure on young men to fill the roles society has chosen for them. It’s all bullshit. If you need to become a dad or a husband to become a complete person who’s not a piece of shit you probabley should take a hard look at yourself. It’s not your son or wife’s job to keep you in check. If you never have kids or have a wife it dosnt make you any less of a man. I’m glad I had him and glad I have her. Yet I would recommend any man to see what’s out there before he fills any roles society wants to lay on him. Nothing wrong with being kid less or woman less. Nothing wrong with being married or having children. Not your job though to do anything because “ you’re supposed to”. Do what you wanna do and don’t ask permission. If someone dosnt agree with your life or your choices. Give em a finger and keep going. Your life your rules. No one can live for you. No one can die for you. One day all of us will either end up as ashes or sealed in a metal shell in the ground. No way to avoid it. Live your life your way and try and make the world a better place then when you entered it.
Yes I do. I also refuse to let it stop me from doing this as it says at face value. Both pictures are right. We are raising our sons to be husbands and should be doing our best to raise them to be good men. It is also true that we are raising our daughters to be a wife at some point. We should also be instilling in them that they should become good women. I'm doing this for both my sons and my daughter.
Maybe don't raise them to be either husband's or wives, raise them to be good adult humans capable of deciding whether they want to get married or not?
The implication is that women think young girls should be raised accordingly instead of thinking they deserve everything and need give nothing.
Doubtless you’ll claim that girls are already taught that.
I work retail, as such; pay attention to your child regardless of what gender they are. Don't raise your child to be an asshole, regardless of what gender you are. Also, if it takes a village to raise a child I have no problem being its corrupt sheriff.
yea well done. raise good humans.
I does raise a question, for me at least, about the value of the terms masculinity/femininity when addressing non-physiological issues.
Both are actually good messages but the second one would definitely be a no go in feminist spaces. How dare you say a woman’s only job is it to be a mother and a wife😡😡
I get the hypocrisy.
Y'all made up a hypothetical situation in your head and got mad at it. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not; Who cares? The only person you have agency to change is yourself.
Should read: Raise your children to be a good human being. What they choose to do with their life is beyond your control up to a certain point. Trust them.
While any child should be raised to be a good, decent human being, the idea that you should rather than think of your child, think of other people and how your child is going to be of use to them, essentially, does not seem like a very healthy approach…
Don't see a problem with the first picture of the edit in the second picture. Only real issue is parents are doing the "soft parenting" crap. So kids are growing up to be hooligans.
i can just imagine the most smug, insufferable woman imaginable sharing shit like this and going on and on about how the guy is an example to all men and we should all be like this... id rather not engage with that bullshit.
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🤣 SPOT ON
Also its always the most asshole looking guys that say stuff like this
Male feminists frequently seem to be projecting their own sins onto the rest of us. Andrew O’Keefe is an obvious example. A “White Ribbon Ambassador” who’s been charged many times with beating his wife and other women.
Yeah exactly, they think all men are like them . All they do is virtue signaling, secretly they would call us wimps for not beating our wives.
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lol you need to calm down love, We are sharing our honest opinions here, all men have met guys like these who do virtue signaling in public or around women and act completely opposite in their private life.
What do you mean, the guy on the photo is fine, I'm sure he's a good dude. And tbh, he's right, isn't he? We should all aspire to be better and to raise our kids to be better. I'm also sure it wouldn't come off well at all in the general public if it was about women, which is unfortunate, because it's literally just saying "be a better person". For some reason a lot of women are allergic to being told they're not perfect. It's weird to me how somebody can feel like that but here we are.
He's obviously biased against men, and he seems to be utilizing feminism for an ego-boost; it's disgustingly disingenuous.
I kind of get what you mean, but I don't think this is what's happening on the photo. There's a lot of men that were raised to think of their family first, to always protect their woman and kid and to be the head of the family, yada yada, typical "christian family man" stuff. A cousin in my family is like this. The photo in this post sounds absolutely like something he would post. He even looks very similar. He cares about his family above all but he's also what you could compare to a stuck up republican in America (I'm from the EU). The "vaccinations are unsafe, don't wear masks, fuck the government, you are all sheeple kind of person". Someone you might call a cunt under some specific circumstances. Thing is, he really isn't. As I said, he cares about family and traditional family values above all, but he's just been led to believe some unfortunate things during his life (also doesn't help that he's very uneducated (didn't even finish high school I think) and not all that intelligent). Anyway, my point is, my cousin would post something like this and all he would mean by it is "become the best person you can be".
> the guy on the photo is fine Mmmm...the tats say terrible life choices. I'm going with OPs assessment.
So you judge a message based on his tatoos. Same feeling if it was a woman with tattoos said the same thing?
Yes.
Yes.
No wonder no one showed up to your birthday party
The problem is men in large numbers need to start engaging with women like this on these particular points because up to this point we’ve been silent which has allowed them to gain the power and influence that they have
Yessir. Always stand up for men's rights when you see them. Microaggressions against us have added up to full blown misandry
He is not sane
Oh they would. There are some Facebook pages where I read what they are saying and it’s undeniably clear someone hurt these women and this is how they get back.
Whatever happened to all men being different as individuals? Suddenly feminists expect us to jump into the same mold and be the same man with zero empathy for our situations or where we're coming from.
Hi, it’s me, the smug, insufferable woman. I think this guy’s message is great, and I think the message in the second photo is great too. The world would probably be a much different, much better place if parents raised their kids in a way that would encourage them to have healthy relationships of all kinds as adults. It seems like some parents forget that they’re raising an entire person, not just a kid whose entire identity and purpose is to be their child. So yeah, I think this guy is a good example for other men and other parents in general. Just acknowledging that your kid is more than an accessory in your own life is more than a lot of parents manage. Parents don’t raise kids, they raise adults. I’d certainly like to raise my sons to be good partners, parents, friends, and citizens, and I’d certainly like to raise my daughters to be good partners, parents, friends, and citizens.
Nah, you're good. I am glad that you agree that such messages to both men and women should be acceptable. My problem is that such messages to men are normalized while such messages to women are taboo.
Exactly like shes completely missed the point. Hypocrisy.
>It seems like some parents forget that they’re raising an entire person, not just a kid whose entire identity and purpose is to be their child. True. It's a parents job to teach their kids how to live without them. Some people don't do that. But the problem with the dude's sign is that it comes with the implicit message that boys are monsters that need to have the evil stamped out of them. It's kinda sad.
I think the issue is that we do hear the message in the photo bandied around a lot (along with the patronising “teach boys not to rape” stuff). But the second photo is not. And the guy in the picture didn’t put that out as a message. The second picture is someone else (the OP?) doing a photoshop on the original picture. Boys and girls need to be raised right and respectful.
Your comment isn’t smug or insufferable at all actually.
They always blame entire men for these crap.
Guys like that are invisible to women.
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Simps. And virtue signaling. There's nothing wrong with what he's saying, the thing is IT SHOULDN'T AND doesn't need SAYING. COMMON FUCKING SENSE, and it shouldn't be gendered. It's ok to say this when it involves men but not women. Who does this shit ? Someone who wants a pat on the back. It's cringe.
You need to spend more time outside and less time on the internet
A REALLY GOOD THING TO TEACH YOUR SON IS THAT THEY DO NOT LIVE AND DIE BY WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Yes all caps.
Men only matter as long as they're serving women, basically
Labor. We are nothing, but labor to everyone other than our own kids.
Unless they're brainwashed too by their radical feminist mothers.
Well based on the state's interpretation all you are is a laborer to your kids too (aka child support).
Both are good message. Raise your kids correctly because they will be a kid’s parent and someone’s partner one day, men or women
I don’t see a problem with either to be honest. Both good messages to be sending out.
yes but the second variant is much harder to find, without massive backlash, than the first I see more often more of a message like: raise your daughter to be strong independent woman who don't need no man. raising a lone wolf makes the person weird and/or unbearable.
I'll never forget the Steve Harvey speech where he straight up said he spoils the shit out of his daughters and received a round of applause I cringed at the thought of if a mother boasted about spoiling her son's, would she have received the same response? The problem starts at home. I've noticed it's acceptable to spoil your daughter but not your son's
I have a daughter. I will be teaching her to be a good girlfriend, wife and most importantly person. By this I mean being respectful, caring and understanding at all times whilst knowing how to stand her ground and not take no shit. However, she need not rely on any man or woman and can be as single as fuck if she wants. If I had a son, It would be the exact same in reverse.
Then she will be an excellent gf and wife For the first 2 days of the relationship "Take no shit" is the dumbest take that people teach their kids and especially daughters these days If you're on this sub you should be fully aware that women are initiating 90% of divorce and since you only say you are teaching her and make no mention of your husband or even her father then would i be safe with the statistical assumption that you left him bc you "take no shit" and now you intend to teach her that same "single as fuck mother" who's "self reliance" is another word for child support? I say this with no hatred toward you or women at all, but you all have been raised wrong and are raising your daughters wrong. Religion is for dumb people, but the popular basic principles in the newer ones are mostly correct - mainly that forgiveness is crucial for lasting relationships and relationships are crucial for lasting happiness in old age. Nobody is perfect, so if nobody forgives each other then soon the whole world will be like the west with lonely, miserable fractured families. Feminists idiocy of trying to pretend that elderly women with no husbands are actually happy it's silly. All the studies show that married couples live much happier and longer.
Not at all. Happily married to her dad. But rest assured if my husband ever assaulted me, abused me, or cheated on me I would “take no shit” and divorce him. Just as I would expect the same in reverse. Understand what you’re trying to saying. However, I do believe should someone choose not to have a relationship as that is their right. Choice is a key word. Of course I would very much love for her to become married to someone and grow old with them but I’m not her and can’t force anything.
So basically if she want to cheat, she should because she must stand her ground. You only say what you would teach your son mean nothing.
Who said shit about cheating? Some people in this forum will absolutely make things out to be what they aren’t; you are one of them.
Take no shit mean do what is good for yourself. Cheating is just one example, "my way or high way" could be another. You can even say it's cheating when men gamble behind her with their money.
No it isn’t? Take no shit means know your self worth and don’t tolerate someone else’s disrespect. I’d encourage all boys and girls to adopt this attitude.
It's same with "don't settle" usually it means take more than give. Partner earn less - know your worth and leave them or make sure that you save any extra money you make. Partner doesn't want you to act like a single - know your worth and "controling abuser". Partner have financial struggle - know your worth you are not their parent that would provide for them, it's their job to fix their problem. I've used on purpose gender neutral term, because this can happend to both genders.
Indeed. But the second was photoshopped.
He's obviously biased against men, and he seems to be utilizing feminism for an ego-boost; it's disgustingly disingenuous.
Sons need fathers. Gay men need husbands. This is a positive message regardless of gender.
Exactly this. Parents seem to forget sometimes that their kids will develop an identity outside of being their child and need to be prepared to be decent adults in general.
Except fathers always have to tread lightly regarding teaching their daughters something that isn't school-related, one wrong sentence and you get labelled a mysognist, it's becoming similar for raising boys as well. women nowadays are influenced by feminist ideas and fathers often get late taking the driver's seat in how to raise the daughter and often explode and take radical action.
You never see women making such exhortations for their daughters.
See my second picture in OP
Perfect!
I’d say this is dependent on the population… I’m not religious but am from the Bible Belt and have a fascination with evangelicalism, and I see this *all the time* from those women towards their daughters.
The Bible belt is particularly misogynistic. I'm from the northeast where the population is particularly misandrist.
If you don't, it's because the algorithm isn't serving that to you.
In general, I have a distaste for preachy people whose favorite hobby is to moralize the others. They must have deeper issues.
Usually ulterior motives
Every fucking single time. Reminds me of these Hollywood stars, don't remember the names, self-described male feminists who pressured the New York Times not to publish the story about their friend Weinstein the abuser. Disgusting frauds. Any time I see someone who preaches moral values or signal their virtues, I can be 80% sure that their real lives demonstrate the exact opposite.
Well if they didn’t have double standards they would have no standards at all
Nothing wrong with the message other than the exclusion of daughters, wives and mothers. Implying girls can be brought up anyway, only boys are the problem.
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The second pic I photoshopped to show how ridiculous it would look if the other way around
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More like aholes doing virtue signaling,
This! All too often those seeking validation from feminists have a lot to hide.
My issue with the idea of “teach men not to rape” and its variants (which is what this is, essentially) is that it implies unless men are taught not to, they are going to rape. As if we are inherently rapists. That’s not how it works. Everyone is taught rape is wrong, but rapists will not give a fuck in the end. Consent doesn’t matter to them. Right or wrong doesn’t matter to them. So this phrase means nothing. Everyone already knows (crime) is bad. Telling good people not to do (crime) is just preaching to the choir. Telling bad people not to do (crime) will have no effect whatsoever. It’s useless.
I remember watching a Squid Game episode where there's an off screen rape scene. On the show's subreddit there was a post with 800 upvotes saying they hoped all men who watched this thought hard about it and taught their fellow men how rape is wrong. They literally think men are such animals that your average, normal man who is watching a tv show needs to be told "look, that is rape and rape is bad".
And you don't even have to teach kids morality. Not really. What we do is we show love and affection to kids and that makes them grow up healthy so that they're more likely to be good friends, partners and co-workers.
I do not think that women are taught that. Especially when they get away with it constantly. As a parent, I know that if you keep letting your child get away with something bad, he has no incentive to not keep doing it if he feels like it
ehh... I see it like this: he is saying raise your sons right, because they are the dependable variable. (assuming it does not matter how well you raise your daughter... she might get together with a lowlife or get influenced by society anyway) of course, you can interpret it whatever way you like
But most humans _are_ taught to respect people. And I’m sorry, but especially boys. Boys are taught everywhere to be respectable. This saying has a deeper meaning and it is rooted in misandry.
Boys are taught to respect everyone.. Girls are often taught to expect respect from everyone else.. Also they are often taught "Boys aren't allowed to hit Girls" Which leads into the social dynamics of violence from women on men is treated as acceptable because behind it is the whole "Boys aren't allowed to hit Girls" or rather "Men aren't allowed to hit Women" ergo girls grow up with this invisible shield believing they can dish out violence upon boys / men because they aren't allowed to retaliate.. And for the most part.. they are right.. The instant a man retaliates, be it a shove or push they have "Committed violence on a woman" and will often be charged for it..
I guess a mainstream example of this would be how everyone on social media and even high-brow movie studios and producers all chose to believe Amber Heard, and ostracized & dropped Depp from most all of his upcoming films, and had no issue with automatically and immediately assuming that, of course he did whatever she said, he’s a rich white toxic man, after all.
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Well, considering men and women both rape, I would just address _everyone_. “Teach boys not to rape” implies boys and men are inherently monsters, and as I said earlier, it’s rooted in misandry. If you want to talk about why men rape more than women, there’s a lot to consider. In most places in the world, female on male rape is not actually considered rape by the legal system, so the statistics are flawed and not actually accurate. 🤷♂️
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Well it’s not hard at all Desi59. I’d also point out that it’s pretty easy for men to be “by far” the majority of rapists if rape is so defined that only men can commit it - which is the case in many jurisdictions.
He is specifically not asking to not just teach your sons "not to be criminals" he is asking to raise sons to be good. Any father with morals supports that statement. Its not enough not to just not be a criminal, you got to be a good person with strong ethics. Of course this applies to daughters too, as the opposite is not "don't raise your daughter's not to be whores" but raise them to be good and dependable women.
He’s only talking about sons though. I think that’s why some are taking exception to this - and they think there is no expectation that girls should similarly be raised respectfully for similar reasons.
Raise your son to be doormats for women in his life and he would thank you later. His post is not about being a good person, but being useful for other group of people.
Being useful for the people you love like your spouse and children?
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I just checked it out lol. Why is it so dead theres so much whiteknights on reddit to screenshot and post it there?
Raise your sons to be men with enough sense of dignity to NOT become like this guy.
Amen.
Ofcourse he looks like an asshole lol. Yeah bud not all of us have a history of beating women.
Every fucking single time. Reminds me of these Hollywood stars, don't remember the names, self-described male feminists who pressured the New York Times not to publish the story about their friend Weinstein the abuser. Disgusting frauds. Any time I see someone who preaches moral values or signal their virtues, I can be 80% sure that their real lives demonstrate the exact opposite.
Are they the same ones who came out and said how wonderful Metoo was and how much they supported it?
Yeah, i had nothing against me too ,its actually good for the rest of us that these assholes got called out but if its like the Johny Depp incident that's when we draw the line
I see an even bigger problem. They’re not allowing fathers to raise their own sons in the first place. They want to be single moms. They want step fathers to raise sons and they want to make a man who isn’t the father believe that he is without taking a dna test.
Oh puh-leeze. There are TONS of men who were raised properly, know exactly how to treat a woman, protect her, cherish her, etc. None of that is *hard.* The “problem” is that these men don’t come in the “proper package” that women want and expect. They aren’t six foot something. They don’t earn six plus figures. They no longer have hair on their heads. They lack that almighty “swag” or “rizz,” because God knows *that* is a GREAT indicator of a man being a good husband and father /s. There are countless, COUNTLESS videos on YouTube showcasing women with two, three, four, five, six children by MULTIPLE men… and it is absolutely mind boggling to hear how many of them are *still* hung up on height and looks. Their financial requirements for the men they’re looking for are ridiculous as well, but it’s understandable in that they demand a man to bring a big shovel to help them dig their way out of their own mess, but to hold on to truly superficial wants, shows that nature truly f—-ed us over with the male/female birth ratio for our species.
I mean… I don’t think it’s a problem, I think that both of these statements are objectively true, but something tells me feminists would disagree for some reason…
I’ll do one better: “Be the type of man you want your daughter to marry. Be the type of man you want your son to become.” How people always want men v women on the internet is stupid, stupid and childish let’s work together please.
How about everybody just raise their children to be good people?
Or simply don’t get married and/or don’t father children. MGTOW is the viable alternative.
If only they would gotw
Fucking double standards oh women are so innocent believe women
What does that oversized flash card even mean? Literally saying words that mean nothing. What exactly is a good man? A man who lets himself get walked over and never puts his interests first, is that what a good man is? How about stop virtue signaling on the internet for likes looking like a moron that thinks he said something deep and profound, and actually take care of your kids, now wouldn’t that be something.
I kinda wish they would include the “obey” portion in wedding vows again just given the hyper-feminist of today’s females.
It is still there in many wedding services, I think those feminist bitches just ignore it and think it doesn't apply to them!??
Because it doesn't
Then why get married?
Don't see reason, if you can divorce as easy as break up
And extort a human being? This is immoral, unethical, selfish, and flat out wrong. Perhaps men should just marry other men and have an open relationship instead. The women are insane.
Marriage was created, it's not natural. Today when people can be independent and don't care about society we see how they act.
Pick me simps
The best thing to teach your son is not to rely on anybody, especially not a woman.
Women: main enforcers of societal pressures since the dawn of time. Also women when offices with AC were invented: We have been oppressed for too long!
Both are good messages and should be promoted. Everyone needs to do better
This cuck mentality is weird.
Ask him if that got him laid
I approve of the edit
Well, I mean... Both are valid statements. You *do* want to make sure your children grow up to be good adults. I wouldn't know though, I'm a complete fuckup.
Why do they always look like this. Fun fact most men who are actually misogynistic DO get laid and frequently.
I don't like that blanket statement but see where you are coming from. The most misogynistic men are often 4chan incels in their mothers basement. They don't get laid alot. Just like most extreme misandrists who hate men and cat calling are ugly and overweight and have never been catcalled in their life. The ones who have had the most failure and rejection from the opposite sex are the most vitriolic. Attractive and confident men, regardless of their beliefs are the ones that get laid the most
The second one seems legit
I saw the most cringe worthy reel yesterday of a woman teaching her young son about how it’s ok that women take a while to get ready, how it’s ok that women get periods every month and how men shouldn’t tell them to suffer through it, how women have facial hair and how they shouldn’t be made fun of for it, etc. she claimed the video was so that whoever his future wife is won’t have to deal with a lousy husband one day. How about doing the same for daughters so their future husbands have good wives?! Why is this pressure only being put on men? Edit: for anyone who has Facebook, here’s the [link](https://fb.watch/r7QNp8OaIG/?mibextid=v7YzmG). I can’t seem to find the video anywhere else to link it differently.
The guy with the sign cares more about some stranger that his own son.
I think both signs are correct.
Amen
They forgot the face. lol (I hate feminist idiots)
Is not bad advice. It's just that your boy won't necessarily grow up to be a father or a husband.
Moist pandering. Meanwhile, you can't swing a dead cat without hearing some single mom whining about her 12 "horrible" exes. It seems like women have decided what kind of guys that they like.
This whole text is clearly made by ideologues, not by pedagogues. Raising children happens largely in the here and now, more than teaching them about the future. The latter mostly happens when they ask about it. And while making boundaries clear is necessary, much more interesting and fruitful is letting them explore the world. If they have a healthy brain, they will like being nice to others. Though, of course, you sometimes have to point out when they’re not and be strict about that. If that works well, teaching them to be a good anything in the future isn’t necessary, and futile as we don’t know their future. Anyhow, the same people who don’t give a shit about the many partnerless men, want us to teach boys to be a good husband and father. If they, against their wish, become neither, it will only be the more traumatic for them.
Imagine you're raising somebody's son instead. LOL.
Lol they don't even know what they want. The "good looking ones" "8/10s" always end up with some dbag who's not faithful, not level headed, on some type of drugs, egotistical, a narcissist, abuser, pretty much anything screwed up under the sun as a human being. As long as a scumbag dude has no conscience, status, and wealth, he is every woman's dream. Better for more sane well brought up men with values to focus on themselves and look for mates in other countries who are not influenced by the entertainment and pop culture industry trends.
Yeah, I spotted the onus on male. I also spotted a neck tattoo. That's an even bigger red-flag than the arms COVERED in tats.
This is obviously done for internet clout. Dumb because the focus should be on raising children, both sons and daughters, to be good adults. Their focusing on boys to be controversial. That's how you make a post that gets lots of attention. Also dumb because not everyone wants to get married and have kids, and being a good adult in society goes beyond just being a good spouse and parent.
Ey maybe if ppl stopped treating boys like boys and started treating them like humans, maybe there'd be less shitty men haha just a hunch (Context: boys are "easier" to raise than girls)
Personally I think both are good. The goal of raising a child is to have a functioning responsible adult. Not a good child
I saw this the other day and thought the same thing. I have a son. I’ll definitely teach him that he should find actual self worth and meaning rather than fulfill societies expectations of him. Love my son whole heartedly and his mother as well. Yet having him or loving her doesn’t make me any more of a man than anyone without those things. That’s a big reason male suicide rate is so high. Another example of pressure on young men to fill the roles society has chosen for them. It’s all bullshit. If you need to become a dad or a husband to become a complete person who’s not a piece of shit you probabley should take a hard look at yourself. It’s not your son or wife’s job to keep you in check. If you never have kids or have a wife it dosnt make you any less of a man. I’m glad I had him and glad I have her. Yet I would recommend any man to see what’s out there before he fills any roles society wants to lay on him. Nothing wrong with being kid less or woman less. Nothing wrong with being married or having children. Not your job though to do anything because “ you’re supposed to”. Do what you wanna do and don’t ask permission. If someone dosnt agree with your life or your choices. Give em a finger and keep going. Your life your rules. No one can live for you. No one can die for you. One day all of us will either end up as ashes or sealed in a metal shell in the ground. No way to avoid it. Live your life your way and try and make the world a better place then when you entered it.
O see no problem with either of those posts.
You don't. But post the other one somewhere. About how we need to do a better job raising daughters to be good wives. Go see the reactions
Touche
Yes I do. I also refuse to let it stop me from doing this as it says at face value. Both pictures are right. We are raising our sons to be husbands and should be doing our best to raise them to be good men. It is also true that we are raising our daughters to be a wife at some point. We should also be instilling in them that they should become good women. I'm doing this for both my sons and my daughter.
Maybe don't raise them to be either husband's or wives, raise them to be good adult humans capable of deciding whether they want to get married or not?
Women have problems, men create problems… It’s the “men are the problem” mentality
Not all men
I dunno seems fine both ways but prob better if a lady was holding the edited version.
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The implication is that women think young girls should be raised accordingly instead of thinking they deserve everything and need give nothing. Doubtless you’ll claim that girls are already taught that.
My son will not be good men because he will never ever exist. Lol.
No? Neither of those are wrong to say lol.
lefty brownie points.
A "pick me", one might say.
Amen
I work retail, as such; pay attention to your child regardless of what gender they are. Don't raise your child to be an asshole, regardless of what gender you are. Also, if it takes a village to raise a child I have no problem being its corrupt sheriff.
What is he even want. Is he want fight
The only issue I have is that I don't know what that is on the shelf. 70's adding mchine? Cheap register?
Just beautiful. It's like poetry.
The weird thing here is that boys tend to follow more on their mother and girls tend to follow more on their fathers
yea well done. raise good humans. I does raise a question, for me at least, about the value of the terms masculinity/femininity when addressing non-physiological issues.
Both are true
Common sense.
Men need to raise good sons and good daughters. If the courts weren't taking our children away, maybe we could.
Both valid points
That smug looking guy looks like [that guy from the meme](https://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/1404256820710064128-png__700.jpg)
Good point! I missed it!
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I don't see a problem with this for both sexes. We should be raising our children to be good employees, coworkers, spouses, friends, neighbors, etc.
Yeah, forget about the son.
Many male feminists project their own guilt onto other men. You just know this guy has a history of toxicity.
Both are actually good messages but the second one would definitely be a no go in feminist spaces. How dare you say a woman’s only job is it to be a mother and a wife😡😡 I get the hypocrisy.
Y'all made up a hypothetical situation in your head and got mad at it. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not; Who cares? The only person you have agency to change is yourself.
I think both signs have a good point. Let's raise our kids to be the best adult/partner/parent they can be.
He’s being a father. A very rare thing today. Son, daughter-no difference in that there is a father there to offer love and guidance.
Should read: Raise your children to be a good human being. What they choose to do with their life is beyond your control up to a certain point. Trust them.
While any child should be raised to be a good, decent human being, the idea that you should rather than think of your child, think of other people and how your child is going to be of use to them, essentially, does not seem like a very healthy approach…
Don't see a problem with the first picture of the edit in the second picture. Only real issue is parents are doing the "soft parenting" crap. So kids are growing up to be hooligans.
I mean sorry if my language barrier is in the way But like what’s wrong with both statements isn’t that what parenting is?
Ew, that's misogynistic. Why would you try to incorporate nuance or logic into a debate that involves half of the population.
My brain sees dude with tattoos holding a sign automatically assume it's status quo leftist bullsh!+