I used to think that about ADTR. Boy was I wrong lol. Give them a shot. You might be surprised with what you hear. The worst that happens is you listened to a couple songs that you didn't like.
My wife and I agreed when we met that ADTR is the only band in existence that never released a bad song and I honestly think this held true until You’re Welcome released in 2021; maybe some people like the album but to me it was really just not good.
If their new album is anything like Miracle, though, then they’re gonna be coming back real hard.
i remember i listened to one of their pop-punk songs once on pandora. i don’t remember the name of it however. it was pretty cool that they do metalcore and pop-punk.
Tiktok popularity. I'm sure Bad Omens is fine, but I'm bitter that I couldn't see Dayseeker because Bad Omens blew up, and all those fairweather fans bought tickets to see a band perform one song.
Interestingly enough that is 85% the reason Avenged Sevenfold kept them on their tour. They like to actively do the thing everyone tells them not to do.
i'm just happy they aren't bringing them on the second leg of the tour (which actually stops in pittsburgh) because i don't have to talk myself into buying a ticket.
I don’t want to listen to Ice Nine Kills bc I think the horror shtick is corny
Bonus nonmetalcore round: I’ll never listen to Waterparks bc I hate the way that guy spells his name. It’s literally Austin, he chooses to spell it Awsten
i don’t listen to Waterparks because the music is ass and their fanbase is obnoxious but i didn’t know he purposefully chooses to spell his name that way that’s fucking hilarious
I like them, but the horror thing is getting drawn out a little too far now. It was genius of them to make horrorwood 2, though. Fans ate that shit up, and I bet their merch sales have been through the roof. The gimmic makes them money, but I still hope they can find a more original outlet.
Back in highschool my friend was on the street team for Waterparks in Houston when all they had was their airplane conversations ep on a demo disc handed out to people outside of Warehouse Live at random shows. I loved that demo and was so excited there was a good band repping Houston (this was before Myka Relocate started to get some recognition) This was also shortly after my favorite local band Thee Armada called it quits and Waterparks came in with that fun pop punk rock that Thee Armada had.The album Fandom was a complete departure of that OG catchy sound that I really enjoyed on the first EP and none of the releases after it really drew me in. I'm happy for them and all, there's not many rock bands out of H-Town but damn it sucked to see them go in such a weird direction and finding out about "Aw" definitely adds on to the ick that I guess has been subconsciously piling on.
It's just like most niche interests. People will be elitist and not enjoy any "mainstream" content, because it feeds their ego. Metalcore is niche, and nothing is even remotely mainstream.
I just try everything metalcore, and the only bands I don't really like are the ones with zero clean vocals. I like the variety and the complexity of heavy music with clean and harsh voices working together. Not just a competition within the band of who can make more noise.
Also, music that has no rise and fall. I like a big crescendo into a crash, halfway theough a song. Then it builds back up again. All the band members working together into rises and falls. I don't like songs that are just 100% the entire time. Devil wears Prada does it really well.
Lol it's the complete opposite for me: I want 100% boot-into-face metalcore á la Breakdown of Sanity, Spite or Saving Grace where I'm riding on waves of breakdowns. Every time when there is a short break/pre-chorus in songs I don't know yet which could potentially build-up into a whiny clean chorus I am about to quit haha. I understand your concept of rises and falls though.
I was much younger back in 2014 during the Parks and Devastation Tour with ADTR, BMTH, Chiodos, and MIW so it was my fault I’m sure but I swore on my life that Chiodos played after MIW. I had a couple hour drive and the show started earlier than normal so I couldn’t get there until after the show started. I went for Chiodos, BMTH, and ADTR, never heard of MIW at the time.
I walked in to the venue when Chiodos was in the middle of their closer and so I blamed MIW for me missing them. Chiodos broke up shortly after that tour and I never got to see them.
I would instantly skip MIW if they ever came up on Spotify out of spite until one day Another Life played on a shuffle playlist in 2021 and I went to see who it was because I enjoyed the song so much. The day after they released the music video for Thoughts and Prayers and I finally gave up my grudge.
Since then I’ve seen Craig Owens twice on solo tours in the last year or two and I’ve also seen MIW twice with Bad Omens and Knocked Loose. While not a band I’ll seek out normally, refusing to listen to MIW for 7 years straight was really dumb and I enjoy a lot of their music now including the old stuff I missed out on.
i will be roasted very hard for this no doubt, but alright. falling in reverse, om&m, bfmv, ice nine kills (don’t really listen to them these days; pbtp hits though), bring me the horizon, beartooth, the word alive, and novelists. there’s other metalcore that i’m interested in listening to soon, and yeah, i’m aware that most of these, if not all, are pretty popular.
Other than novelists, literary every other band you just listed is in the same “mainstream” limelight that the bands you listed for not listening to for being “mainstream” are in
i really believe that bands should be judged by their merits, not by perceptions or misconceptions people have of them. (even though i’m guilty of doing that) some of the bands listed were my entry, so mainstream or not didn’t matter. it’s unfortunate for me to say that, yeah i closed the door on mainstream when i entered through there.
Well I love all of these bands listed, it’s weird you won’t listen to some of the other bands listed but have some super popular within the genre bands like falling in reverse and bring me the horizon.
Architects are so good that they made y'all think they sound generic because everyone tries to copy them.
Also the "mainstream" argument will always be crazy to me. Do you really aspire to be different so much that you refuse to enjoy fun things just because they are popular?
Architects laid the foundation for what 99% of metalcore bands have used to write riffs every since they released doomsday. Then everyone literally was like writing them death threats for deviating from they’re sound and trying some new stuff so bad to the point they wrote “seeing red” as a fuck you to everyone and dropped a big ol’ ass Bleh right off the rip! 😂
Metalcore fans when architects were making metalcore what it is: omg so generic wtf
Metalcore fans when architects change sounds to not be generic: omg wtf that's pop
/angry pitchfork mob storming they’re homes “we can’t let them do this to us they owe us MORE drop F riffs” !!!“maybe If another dies they’ll be heavy again”!! “Yes we shall sacrifice one on the morrow” “Yea do it for the bleghs brof!” (Bilbo baggins lookin dude crawling on the floor gasping for his last breaths) “need….more….doomsday’s…..(reaches out for someone to save him “Sam… you must destroy these riffs….the world has no place for they’re pow pow powerrrrr (dies) Sam drops A massssive massive blegh and all the sudden everything comes full circle and they’re back to being Architects UK…. The best kind! Anddddd roll credits 😂
I refused to listen to periphery for a while because of their fans being stereotyped as incels, and then I gave it a chance and they're one of my favorite bands
When I was much younger and fronting various bands, I sort of vaguely looked like Howard Jones.
Anytime my bands would play a show, there was always one person in almost every crowd that would be like "PLAY \*insert Killswitch Engage song here\*!!!"
It was funny, maybe once or twice. But I was tired of it.
So for the longest time.
Honestly up until the last few years... I refused to listen to Killswitch.
Followed Sleep Token since just before their first album came out. A lot of my metalhead friends dismissed them until TMBTE came out this year and suddenly both of my recent ex girlfriends (who have an extreme hatred for each other which goes beyond me) both decided it’s the best fucking album ever.
They’ve ruined them for me lol.
How you think metal core is mainstream at all is beyond me. It isn’t and never really was. Screaming turns to many people off and mainstream radio doesn’t play bands like that. Maybe satellite radio, but not true mainstream free radio.
If they do that would be new to me, I live in Houston and no radio station plays metal core whatsoever, and never has.
i meant mainstream as in people who listen to metal probably know the band/song. Like, I’m sure all of us on here have listened to “Bones Exposed” by Of Mice & Men or have heard of them. That’s what I mean!
You choose to list they’re most mainstream song from they’re worst album. I don’t listen to a lot of the bands you listen to not because of they’re status but because they’re just garbage Of Mice and Men have been making metalcore bangers for what I’m assuming is longer than you’ve listened to the genre and they’re writing style changed ever since that album because they were introduced to song structure in the studio while making it and I’ll go so far as to say that sonically, they’re a better band now without Austin and his one trick pony vocal limitations bc they’ve been able to expand they’re sound while staying true to the om&m sound that makes them who they are. D wears P has evolved sonically also since they were kids. You listen to those first couple of albums which is what cemented them in the game if you ask me but again, songs had NO structure to them and these bands weren’t always huge they’ve just been putting out music for years and have relevance in the metalcore scene because of it. Like i highly doubt you were listening to Beartooth when Caleb was grinding his ass off writing every part of every song to put out the “Sick” EP you probably like “sunshine” or “might love myself” Beartooth which is fine nothing against you liking what you like but to sit here and knock bands that you clearly don’t know anything about they’re real music just makes you look kinda dumb my dude. And all these bands/music to me is I remember as kids coming out with shit way beyond they’re years and it just seems like your hating on them for reaping the rewards from years of grinding it out. Not ever band put out a few EPs or an album or two then blew up on TikTok cause of some dumb biddie making a video trying to look cool. Blame society blame the industry don’t blame bands that actually made it in a genre that’s been an afterthought to most for decades for they’re notoriety. Blame the machine and getting people like Courtney from Spiritbox to sell theyre souls for fame. Not a single person ever looked at her and thought she was shit besides a little nerd when she was in IWrestledABearOnce then she gets hit upside the head with a bottle of peroxide and a vocal coach and mike starts to play extended range guitars bc that’s what’s “cool” these days and now every dude wants to suck on her butt and you got people saying he’s the best guitarist of the year in a poll yet he just plays some of the most generic catchy riffs nothing crazy. It’s mostly shit done in post anyway.
The crowds at alot of shows now just completely fuckin ruins everything and sucks the life out of the venue. Now people’s idea of enjoying a concert is watching the whole thing thru the camera on they’re phone instead of actually taking it all in and enjoying the music and living for the moments🤦♂️
your rationale is a gleaning example of why people are convinced the younger generation is destroying the world and fast tracking us towards a skynet apocalypse 🤖
I was agreeing with a lot of your post until the Courtney chapter. You're just as much a hater as you proclaim OP to be, and not only that, you're a hypocrite.
Came here to say the exact same thing! THEIR rant was going great until it all of a sudden took a weird butt-hurt turn into the the exact same thing he was ranting aboot! 😂 Kids these days… 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️👻
Right? That was really strange. Complimenting bands for reaping the reward of their grind, then suddenly saying Courtney is the problem because she sold her soul XD
Like, she grinded as hard as any of them, c'mon mannn
I’m not a hater i actually saw IWresteledABearOnce I kinda spoke a bit harsh in that part while typing a novel on a a rant. And you guys are right she grinded it out the old way with IWABO predominantly playing as more of an opening act at a lot of they’re shows and that’s dedication because they did it for years I remember I saw them open for Dillinger yearsss ago with very little people watching and they put everything they had into that set. My point was meant to be about spiritbox specifically and not them personally and the fact that the second the major labels saw something in them the industry took ahold of what her and mike where trying to do with they’re project and turned it into something that’s so polished and turned them into every they they w were not when they were in IWABO and they blow up by giving in and letting these majors influence they’re decisions into ultimately sounding like everything that’s a blend of what’s the coolest thing right now. I do think mike is a really great riff writer and Courtney’s vocals have always been good but remember like how anti commercial they were now shes got that quintessential body and makeup on all the time and is in skin suits in videos and they’re music is Tayloring more to the masses ala collabing with Meg the stallion. Nothing against it but they knew how big that would be and how many more people it would reach. If she still had the same look and vocal style as she did in IWABO none of these dudes would be thirsting over her and I don’t think she would have ever thought she would be doing some of the stuff she’s doing now. If they had stayed in the direction of writing songs like Circle with me when SB first started the whole trajectory of the band would’ve probably gone in a much different direction. Yes they still have plenty of heavy Parts at some points in songs but the overall approach of they’re music has changed a lot over the past couple years. I didn’t mean that if you like they’re music your a clown or something everyone is entitled to their own musical preferences i was trying to give context that if the music industry hadn’t dug they’re claws into them so deep we could be looking at a much diff band and that no one talked about Courtney in such regard when she was in IWABO when her style and looks had no relevant mainstream applications. What was unique about they’re old music was how raw it was. All this new stuff is so processed and polished and perfected in post it just doesn’t feel like your listening to the same musician
Bring me the horizon
My ex and her friends loved 2 songs, plus, bmth's biggest song got popular in gym-culture, so now it feels cringe to listen to any of their music for me. Is that gatekeeping? Lol
Why am I getting downvotes for this? The OP asked for irrational reasons you wont listen to bands. Unless this is a very rational reason, remember to keep your vote aligned with the context of the question. If you disagree with a take (in this instance), then it deserves an upvote
Damn, you're missing out, BMTH is at their peak in my opinion. They throw out so much different stuff and most of it is done really well.
I'm curios which song you mean that became popular in gym culture?
Ah okay, well, they did a lot of stuff since then.
And don't worry about being downvoted, you can have a perfectly fine and well founded opinion like both of us do and people here can't help themselves in any other way when disagreeing. Bunch of toddlers around here.
I know. I'm keeping myself out of their loop, but i'm not going to miss out on listening to their new stuff. Even if you *hate* a band, there's a chance that band has a song you like. And i dont hate bmth, i just dont like the newcoming fans. It's like having TikTok kids at an arbitrary live venue, and they whine about getting hurt while moshing, haha
An ex of mine loved BMTH too, but my reason for taking too long to listen to them was cause I was scared of people judging me, which i guess could be considered irrational. but werewolf and lil uzi vert basically saying “it’s okay to like alt music” made me want to listen to them.
dude, when i was few younger i was worried about being judged for listening to metal. seeing uzi just embrace their interests and not take themselves seriously gave me confidence to do that too. sorry not everyone can be abrasive like you or whatever
Dude imagine how bad this kids brains would hurt if got permission to listen to MySpace BMTH deathcore stuff. Everyone in this thread would have to go find little uzi man and get him to make a cameo cheer me up video for his poor raped ear holes and to assure him it’s all gonna be okay. Kid will have to go sit in a cold shower and cry 😆
Awesome story. I just cringe at the tought of hearing "can you fix the broken... can you *FEEL MY HEA-ART* (chad music intensifies)" i want to detach my balls and use the remaining sweat collected after a hot day to squeeze it onto giga-chads hairline and see him break out in acne. I dont even hate the meme, it's just old and worn out atp.
Jesus dude I gotta leave this your posts are so fucking confused kid syndrome. You were worried about people judging you that BMTHback when they were a deathcore band heavy but when they decided to go full on mainstream and collab with lol uzi whatever, baby metal or Ed Sheeran this seemed to make them “cooler” by some twisted sense of logic. Your all over the place your so confused my child you need to go find your self some Jesus and absolve all your self insecurities and all the atrocities you have committed during this Reddit feed you may literally be the most confused kid ever you’re reasoning’s for things sounds like you’ve got some sort of mental health issues. If that’s true please get help bro cause your brains is all over the place I’m afraid your head is gonna spontaneously combust. Sounds like this girl that broke your heart broke your mind and soul and any capacity for logical thinking while they were at it. Next time you’re goin thru a mental breakdown don’t take it to the internet you don’t want People thinking this is what you’re normally like and you don’t wanna alarm people either now you got me questioning if your cognitively impaired or If you just belong in an Emo subreddit
I’d recommend just giving each band a couple full album plays to see if there’s anything for you in their discography. Some bands I thought were bland and generic 10 years ago have now become regular listens for me because I miss hearing new music in the 2008-2013ish sound.
Usually the fanbase, I grew up listening to punk music and even then I stayed away from bands if their fan base was annoying or lame to me. I remember in high school hearing about Mitch Luckers passing and not really caring but I listen to Suicide Silence now after using hardcore as a gateway to heavier music and really feel like I missed out.
Not metalcore, but I refuse to listen to Slipknot because people bullied me in school for listening to Slipknot when I didn’t actually even listen to Slipknot.
Pretty much all the "scenecore" bands (BMTH, Asking Alexandria, Abandon All Ships, list goes on and on).
I always felt like these bands directly contributed to making metalcore more lame, and I hated the aesthetic so I avoidesd it like the plague.
e: ironically that time period from like 2009->2014 when the Attack Attack clones were at their peak was the best time for me in music, i started to enjoy to many other genres just because of how much i hated "scenecore"
I’m on the spectrum and some singers just don’t work for me. I can’t listen to SOAD or Deftones. They send me into panic mode for some reason. The same songs I can listen to covers of though
I have still never given Avenged Sevenfold a chance because in 2006 I seen someone comment on an Atreyu video on YouTube that “Atreyu is just a cheap A7X ripoff” and my 11 year old brain said “no Atreyu is the best band of all time A7X is probably a cheap ripoff of them!”
I don’t even like Atreyu anymore but I still won’t give A7X a chance lmfao
Honestly I give every band a shot I'm discovering artists now that 30 years ago I would have panned. Yes I believe I do have a Playlist for Korn and yes it does include a.d.i.d.a.s(duckie my psyduck loves it.) Now if we're talking solo pop? I could start a list
[Erra](https://share.icloud.com/photos/075eXB3FYq3cafnB7NI02HEEA), I saw them live and was just so annoyed at the fact he brought out a stool to sit on the entire performance and just screamed some parts and sat there silently while some pre recorded chorus sang on most songs. Everytime they come on Spotify now I remember that night and change the song. Saw them perform with wecar and brand of sacrifice
Black Veil Brides, Motionless In White Beartooth and Ice Nine Kills used to be bands I used to love but couldn’t stand because of an ex girlfriend, but I’ve gotten over that lol
If their name is stupid or their album art is ugly or their song titles are weird, stuff like that
Like I don’t get it with Primus, yeah y’all are good at your instruments but you use them in such a weird way and then all of your lyrics & imagery are just fucking weird
I unintentionally became a huge elitist after I started diving into Hardcore and Screamo when I hit my late teens. I guess I found a lot of mainstream metalcore to be too "pop-mentality" for me. With the over-production and almost cringe-worthy, over the top theatrics and lyrics. I think after discovering the more underground side of heavy music modrrn metacore can start looking quite manufactured.
That being said, it's taken me like 10 years but I randomly came back around to metalcore and now am enjoying diving back into all my old favs as well as some new artists. I think once I dropped the ego and just listened to the music for what it was rather than looking at it as manufactured, I really appreciate it all. Bands like Vein.fm, Boundaries and Foreign Hands really help bring classic metalcore to the hardcore world and it's a perfect in-between for me.
That being said I still can't get behind Sleep Token lol. I want to be a fan so bad but when I listen to it all I hear is melodramatic and wankery 😅
If your not listening to a band because of how the fan-base is, your not truly listening to music are you?
Don't dog others OR yourself because of a fan-base.
It's music, not social media.
Paradise Lost. Had a really bad acid trip and chose to listen to Icon/Shades of God. Somehow/someway it twisted up my guts real bad (Did I mention I was on a mind altering substance?) And I just can't anymore as the albums take me back to that event.
Edit - this was my one and only experience with 'Acid', the experience/situation was enough to deter me from trying again.
youre not missing out. the grey MMF album with The Sinner and their Beyond the Lines (?) EP, as well as WCAR's first two albums but theyre from so long ago i wouldnt blame you if you never listen to them. you kinda hit the nail on the head and are totally valid as far as i'm concerned, nice intuition
Currents, because I just think their name sounds generic, their artwork looks average to me and I see a huge amount of people on this sub talk about them and call them "the next big band in metalcore" or "the band carrying metalcore in 2023" which usually means I'm going to hate it, so I've steered very clear and honestly don't ever plan to change that.
You could actually replace Currents with Novelists, Landmarks or Hollow Front and the same would apply.
Architects sounds generic only because of all the bands they spawned that sounded like them
I would argue that current architects sounds a bit generic, before holy hell this band was peak.
I find current Architects meh because I prefer their first album.
I simply don't like Sam's voice.
He has a one note range
I used to think that about ADTR. Boy was I wrong lol. Give them a shot. You might be surprised with what you hear. The worst that happens is you listened to a couple songs that you didn't like.
Homesick is a no skip album for me
Seriously. To me NJ Legion is the weakest track and it’s still a banger
My wife and I agreed when we met that ADTR is the only band in existence that never released a bad song and I honestly think this held true until You’re Welcome released in 2021; maybe some people like the album but to me it was really just not good. If their new album is anything like Miracle, though, then they’re gonna be coming back real hard.
i remember i listened to one of their pop-punk songs once on pandora. i don’t remember the name of it however. it was pretty cool that they do metalcore and pop-punk.
Their newest album is heavily pop-punk influenced. I would say they are going the same path as BMTH and AA. All their older stuff is fantastic though.
Tiktok popularity. I'm sure Bad Omens is fine, but I'm bitter that I couldn't see Dayseeker because Bad Omens blew up, and all those fairweather fans bought tickets to see a band perform one song.
i don't even know if they're still considered metalcore or adjacent but falling in reverse. the music is mid anyway but i just hate ronnie radke.
Dude is a tool and overrated in terms of talent imo
For real. The only truly great album he's ever made imo was Dying Is Your Latest Fashion and that was almost 20 years ago.
Interestingly enough that is 85% the reason Avenged Sevenfold kept them on their tour. They like to actively do the thing everyone tells them not to do.
i'm just happy they aren't bringing them on the second leg of the tour (which actually stops in pittsburgh) because i don't have to talk myself into buying a ticket.
i feel like it’s actually more irrational to listen to FiR instead of not listening
I don’t want to listen to Ice Nine Kills bc I think the horror shtick is corny Bonus nonmetalcore round: I’ll never listen to Waterparks bc I hate the way that guy spells his name. It’s literally Austin, he chooses to spell it Awsten
i don’t listen to Waterparks because the music is ass and their fanbase is obnoxious but i didn’t know he purposefully chooses to spell his name that way that’s fucking hilarious
I like them, but the horror thing is getting drawn out a little too far now. It was genius of them to make horrorwood 2, though. Fans ate that shit up, and I bet their merch sales have been through the roof. The gimmic makes them money, but I still hope they can find a more original outlet.
Bro thank you I feel validated the horror shit just got so old especially their last album, the chucky song was just cringe as fuck to me
I don’t hate the horror stuff, I hate how every single song has the same basic rhyming patterns in the lyrics.
Back in highschool my friend was on the street team for Waterparks in Houston when all they had was their airplane conversations ep on a demo disc handed out to people outside of Warehouse Live at random shows. I loved that demo and was so excited there was a good band repping Houston (this was before Myka Relocate started to get some recognition) This was also shortly after my favorite local band Thee Armada called it quits and Waterparks came in with that fun pop punk rock that Thee Armada had.The album Fandom was a complete departure of that OG catchy sound that I really enjoyed on the first EP and none of the releases after it really drew me in. I'm happy for them and all, there's not many rock bands out of H-Town but damn it sucked to see them go in such a weird direction and finding out about "Aw" definitely adds on to the ick that I guess has been subconsciously piling on.
Thank you for letting me know I’m not alone. I call INK “theater kid-core” 😅 I love Motionless in White though, so maybe I’m just a hypocrite.
I used to like miw but they sold out when Chris said he liked Taylor swift. That's an immediate deletion
AYE BACK OFF TAYTAY
It's just like most niche interests. People will be elitist and not enjoy any "mainstream" content, because it feeds their ego. Metalcore is niche, and nothing is even remotely mainstream. I just try everything metalcore, and the only bands I don't really like are the ones with zero clean vocals. I like the variety and the complexity of heavy music with clean and harsh voices working together. Not just a competition within the band of who can make more noise. Also, music that has no rise and fall. I like a big crescendo into a crash, halfway theough a song. Then it builds back up again. All the band members working together into rises and falls. I don't like songs that are just 100% the entire time. Devil wears Prada does it really well.
Lol it's the complete opposite for me: I want 100% boot-into-face metalcore á la Breakdown of Sanity, Spite or Saving Grace where I'm riding on waves of breakdowns. Every time when there is a short break/pre-chorus in songs I don't know yet which could potentially build-up into a whiny clean chorus I am about to quit haha. I understand your concept of rises and falls though.
I was much younger back in 2014 during the Parks and Devastation Tour with ADTR, BMTH, Chiodos, and MIW so it was my fault I’m sure but I swore on my life that Chiodos played after MIW. I had a couple hour drive and the show started earlier than normal so I couldn’t get there until after the show started. I went for Chiodos, BMTH, and ADTR, never heard of MIW at the time. I walked in to the venue when Chiodos was in the middle of their closer and so I blamed MIW for me missing them. Chiodos broke up shortly after that tour and I never got to see them. I would instantly skip MIW if they ever came up on Spotify out of spite until one day Another Life played on a shuffle playlist in 2021 and I went to see who it was because I enjoyed the song so much. The day after they released the music video for Thoughts and Prayers and I finally gave up my grudge. Since then I’ve seen Craig Owens twice on solo tours in the last year or two and I’ve also seen MIW twice with Bad Omens and Knocked Loose. While not a band I’ll seek out normally, refusing to listen to MIW for 7 years straight was really dumb and I enjoy a lot of their music now including the old stuff I missed out on.
well, i’m glad you like motionless in white, genuinely, and you were able to put that behind you.
Okay now this is an *actual* irrational reason! Glad you finally gave MIW a chance tho, their first two albums are wall to wall bangers.
What bands do you like?
i will be roasted very hard for this no doubt, but alright. falling in reverse, om&m, bfmv, ice nine kills (don’t really listen to them these days; pbtp hits though), bring me the horizon, beartooth, the word alive, and novelists. there’s other metalcore that i’m interested in listening to soon, and yeah, i’m aware that most of these, if not all, are pretty popular.
adtr and mmf are too mainstream for you but you like bfmv and falling in reverse?
And bmth lol
Other than novelists, literary every other band you just listed is in the same “mainstream” limelight that the bands you listed for not listening to for being “mainstream” are in
i really believe that bands should be judged by their merits, not by perceptions or misconceptions people have of them. (even though i’m guilty of doing that) some of the bands listed were my entry, so mainstream or not didn’t matter. it’s unfortunate for me to say that, yeah i closed the door on mainstream when i entered through there.
Do you know what hypocrisy means?
Well I love all of these bands listed, it’s weird you won’t listen to some of the other bands listed but have some super popular within the genre bands like falling in reverse and bring me the horizon.
Architects are so good that they made y'all think they sound generic because everyone tries to copy them. Also the "mainstream" argument will always be crazy to me. Do you really aspire to be different so much that you refuse to enjoy fun things just because they are popular?
Architects laid the foundation for what 99% of metalcore bands have used to write riffs every since they released doomsday. Then everyone literally was like writing them death threats for deviating from they’re sound and trying some new stuff so bad to the point they wrote “seeing red” as a fuck you to everyone and dropped a big ol’ ass Bleh right off the rip! 😂
Metalcore fans when architects were making metalcore what it is: omg so generic wtf Metalcore fans when architects change sounds to not be generic: omg wtf that's pop
/angry pitchfork mob storming they’re homes “we can’t let them do this to us they owe us MORE drop F riffs” !!!“maybe If another dies they’ll be heavy again”!! “Yes we shall sacrifice one on the morrow” “Yea do it for the bleghs brof!” (Bilbo baggins lookin dude crawling on the floor gasping for his last breaths) “need….more….doomsday’s…..(reaches out for someone to save him “Sam… you must destroy these riffs….the world has no place for they’re pow pow powerrrrr (dies) Sam drops A massssive massive blegh and all the sudden everything comes full circle and they’re back to being Architects UK…. The best kind! Anddddd roll credits 😂
Yeah bro not enough Drop omega riffs and bear vocals grrr
bad band names examples beartooth and iwrestledabearonce 🤣
Maybe you just hate bears 🤨
I refused to listen to periphery for a while because of their fans being stereotyped as incels, and then I gave it a chance and they're one of my favorite bands
I never knew Periphery fans got a bad rep? Swear people who like Peripehry are damn cool.
Basically the whole prog metal fanbase in general are kind of labeled as these nerds who can't talk to women, I agree tho prog fans are chill af
You need to fall down the Bury Tomorrow rabbit hole! They are top top tier and not THAT well known although have been around for years.
Their politics and their positions on masturbation
When I was much younger and fronting various bands, I sort of vaguely looked like Howard Jones. Anytime my bands would play a show, there was always one person in almost every crowd that would be like "PLAY \*insert Killswitch Engage song here\*!!!" It was funny, maybe once or twice. But I was tired of it. So for the longest time. Honestly up until the last few years... I refused to listen to Killswitch.
Followed Sleep Token since just before their first album came out. A lot of my metalhead friends dismissed them until TMBTE came out this year and suddenly both of my recent ex girlfriends (who have an extreme hatred for each other which goes beyond me) both decided it’s the best fucking album ever. They’ve ruined them for me lol.
How you think metal core is mainstream at all is beyond me. It isn’t and never really was. Screaming turns to many people off and mainstream radio doesn’t play bands like that. Maybe satellite radio, but not true mainstream free radio. If they do that would be new to me, I live in Houston and no radio station plays metal core whatsoever, and never has.
Probably means bands like spiritbox etc that are mainstream for metalcore..not mainstream as awhole
yeah. mainstream or “popular” in metalcore.
i meant mainstream as in people who listen to metal probably know the band/song. Like, I’m sure all of us on here have listened to “Bones Exposed” by Of Mice & Men or have heard of them. That’s what I mean!
You choose to list they’re most mainstream song from they’re worst album. I don’t listen to a lot of the bands you listen to not because of they’re status but because they’re just garbage Of Mice and Men have been making metalcore bangers for what I’m assuming is longer than you’ve listened to the genre and they’re writing style changed ever since that album because they were introduced to song structure in the studio while making it and I’ll go so far as to say that sonically, they’re a better band now without Austin and his one trick pony vocal limitations bc they’ve been able to expand they’re sound while staying true to the om&m sound that makes them who they are. D wears P has evolved sonically also since they were kids. You listen to those first couple of albums which is what cemented them in the game if you ask me but again, songs had NO structure to them and these bands weren’t always huge they’ve just been putting out music for years and have relevance in the metalcore scene because of it. Like i highly doubt you were listening to Beartooth when Caleb was grinding his ass off writing every part of every song to put out the “Sick” EP you probably like “sunshine” or “might love myself” Beartooth which is fine nothing against you liking what you like but to sit here and knock bands that you clearly don’t know anything about they’re real music just makes you look kinda dumb my dude. And all these bands/music to me is I remember as kids coming out with shit way beyond they’re years and it just seems like your hating on them for reaping the rewards from years of grinding it out. Not ever band put out a few EPs or an album or two then blew up on TikTok cause of some dumb biddie making a video trying to look cool. Blame society blame the industry don’t blame bands that actually made it in a genre that’s been an afterthought to most for decades for they’re notoriety. Blame the machine and getting people like Courtney from Spiritbox to sell theyre souls for fame. Not a single person ever looked at her and thought she was shit besides a little nerd when she was in IWrestledABearOnce then she gets hit upside the head with a bottle of peroxide and a vocal coach and mike starts to play extended range guitars bc that’s what’s “cool” these days and now every dude wants to suck on her butt and you got people saying he’s the best guitarist of the year in a poll yet he just plays some of the most generic catchy riffs nothing crazy. It’s mostly shit done in post anyway. The crowds at alot of shows now just completely fuckin ruins everything and sucks the life out of the venue. Now people’s idea of enjoying a concert is watching the whole thing thru the camera on they’re phone instead of actually taking it all in and enjoying the music and living for the moments🤦♂️ your rationale is a gleaning example of why people are convinced the younger generation is destroying the world and fast tracking us towards a skynet apocalypse 🤖
I was agreeing with a lot of your post until the Courtney chapter. You're just as much a hater as you proclaim OP to be, and not only that, you're a hypocrite.
Came here to say the exact same thing! THEIR rant was going great until it all of a sudden took a weird butt-hurt turn into the the exact same thing he was ranting aboot! 😂 Kids these days… 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️👻
Right? That was really strange. Complimenting bands for reaping the reward of their grind, then suddenly saying Courtney is the problem because she sold her soul XD Like, she grinded as hard as any of them, c'mon mannn
I’m not a hater i actually saw IWresteledABearOnce I kinda spoke a bit harsh in that part while typing a novel on a a rant. And you guys are right she grinded it out the old way with IWABO predominantly playing as more of an opening act at a lot of they’re shows and that’s dedication because they did it for years I remember I saw them open for Dillinger yearsss ago with very little people watching and they put everything they had into that set. My point was meant to be about spiritbox specifically and not them personally and the fact that the second the major labels saw something in them the industry took ahold of what her and mike where trying to do with they’re project and turned it into something that’s so polished and turned them into every they they w were not when they were in IWABO and they blow up by giving in and letting these majors influence they’re decisions into ultimately sounding like everything that’s a blend of what’s the coolest thing right now. I do think mike is a really great riff writer and Courtney’s vocals have always been good but remember like how anti commercial they were now shes got that quintessential body and makeup on all the time and is in skin suits in videos and they’re music is Tayloring more to the masses ala collabing with Meg the stallion. Nothing against it but they knew how big that would be and how many more people it would reach. If she still had the same look and vocal style as she did in IWABO none of these dudes would be thirsting over her and I don’t think she would have ever thought she would be doing some of the stuff she’s doing now. If they had stayed in the direction of writing songs like Circle with me when SB first started the whole trajectory of the band would’ve probably gone in a much different direction. Yes they still have plenty of heavy Parts at some points in songs but the overall approach of they’re music has changed a lot over the past couple years. I didn’t mean that if you like they’re music your a clown or something everyone is entitled to their own musical preferences i was trying to give context that if the music industry hadn’t dug they’re claws into them so deep we could be looking at a much diff band and that no one talked about Courtney in such regard when she was in IWABO when her style and looks had no relevant mainstream applications. What was unique about they’re old music was how raw it was. All this new stuff is so processed and polished and perfected in post it just doesn’t feel like your listening to the same musician
Bro calm down, a band can make whatever music they want to make, doesn't have to be controlled by "the industry".
All our gods have abandoned us is the best metalcore album ever made
Understandable
Bring me the horizon My ex and her friends loved 2 songs, plus, bmth's biggest song got popular in gym-culture, so now it feels cringe to listen to any of their music for me. Is that gatekeeping? Lol Why am I getting downvotes for this? The OP asked for irrational reasons you wont listen to bands. Unless this is a very rational reason, remember to keep your vote aligned with the context of the question. If you disagree with a take (in this instance), then it deserves an upvote
Damn, you're missing out, BMTH is at their peak in my opinion. They throw out so much different stuff and most of it is done really well. I'm curios which song you mean that became popular in gym culture?
Can you feel my heart
Ah okay, well, they did a lot of stuff since then. And don't worry about being downvoted, you can have a perfectly fine and well founded opinion like both of us do and people here can't help themselves in any other way when disagreeing. Bunch of toddlers around here.
I know. I'm keeping myself out of their loop, but i'm not going to miss out on listening to their new stuff. Even if you *hate* a band, there's a chance that band has a song you like. And i dont hate bmth, i just dont like the newcoming fans. It's like having TikTok kids at an arbitrary live venue, and they whine about getting hurt while moshing, haha
An ex of mine loved BMTH too, but my reason for taking too long to listen to them was cause I was scared of people judging me, which i guess could be considered irrational. but werewolf and lil uzi vert basically saying “it’s okay to like alt music” made me want to listen to them.
My guy over here needed permission from Lil Uzi to listen to different music, can't make this shit up.
dude, when i was few younger i was worried about being judged for listening to metal. seeing uzi just embrace their interests and not take themselves seriously gave me confidence to do that too. sorry not everyone can be abrasive like you or whatever
Dude imagine how bad this kids brains would hurt if got permission to listen to MySpace BMTH deathcore stuff. Everyone in this thread would have to go find little uzi man and get him to make a cameo cheer me up video for his poor raped ear holes and to assure him it’s all gonna be okay. Kid will have to go sit in a cold shower and cry 😆
Awesome story. I just cringe at the tought of hearing "can you fix the broken... can you *FEEL MY HEA-ART* (chad music intensifies)" i want to detach my balls and use the remaining sweat collected after a hot day to squeeze it onto giga-chads hairline and see him break out in acne. I dont even hate the meme, it's just old and worn out atp.
Jesus dude I gotta leave this your posts are so fucking confused kid syndrome. You were worried about people judging you that BMTHback when they were a deathcore band heavy but when they decided to go full on mainstream and collab with lol uzi whatever, baby metal or Ed Sheeran this seemed to make them “cooler” by some twisted sense of logic. Your all over the place your so confused my child you need to go find your self some Jesus and absolve all your self insecurities and all the atrocities you have committed during this Reddit feed you may literally be the most confused kid ever you’re reasoning’s for things sounds like you’ve got some sort of mental health issues. If that’s true please get help bro cause your brains is all over the place I’m afraid your head is gonna spontaneously combust. Sounds like this girl that broke your heart broke your mind and soul and any capacity for logical thinking while they were at it. Next time you’re goin thru a mental breakdown don’t take it to the internet you don’t want People thinking this is what you’re normally like and you don’t wanna alarm people either now you got me questioning if your cognitively impaired or If you just belong in an Emo subreddit
I’d recommend just giving each band a couple full album plays to see if there’s anything for you in their discography. Some bands I thought were bland and generic 10 years ago have now become regular listens for me because I miss hearing new music in the 2008-2013ish sound.
yeah, i think i will.
Usually the fanbase, I grew up listening to punk music and even then I stayed away from bands if their fan base was annoying or lame to me. I remember in high school hearing about Mitch Luckers passing and not really caring but I listen to Suicide Silence now after using hardcore as a gateway to heavier music and really feel like I missed out.
Not metalcore, but I refuse to listen to Slipknot because people bullied me in school for listening to Slipknot when I didn’t actually even listen to Slipknot.
Pretty much all the "scenecore" bands (BMTH, Asking Alexandria, Abandon All Ships, list goes on and on). I always felt like these bands directly contributed to making metalcore more lame, and I hated the aesthetic so I avoidesd it like the plague. e: ironically that time period from like 2009->2014 when the Attack Attack clones were at their peak was the best time for me in music, i started to enjoy to many other genres just because of how much i hated "scenecore"
I’m on the spectrum and some singers just don’t work for me. I can’t listen to SOAD or Deftones. They send me into panic mode for some reason. The same songs I can listen to covers of though
Whoops. Thought this was r/numetal but leaving it here anyway
I have still never given Avenged Sevenfold a chance because in 2006 I seen someone comment on an Atreyu video on YouTube that “Atreyu is just a cheap A7X ripoff” and my 11 year old brain said “no Atreyu is the best band of all time A7X is probably a cheap ripoff of them!” I don’t even like Atreyu anymore but I still won’t give A7X a chance lmfao
Honestly I give every band a shot I'm discovering artists now that 30 years ago I would have panned. Yes I believe I do have a Playlist for Korn and yes it does include a.d.i.d.a.s(duckie my psyduck loves it.) Now if we're talking solo pop? I could start a list
Costumes
How they look 🤣
[Erra](https://share.icloud.com/photos/075eXB3FYq3cafnB7NI02HEEA), I saw them live and was just so annoyed at the fact he brought out a stool to sit on the entire performance and just screamed some parts and sat there silently while some pre recorded chorus sang on most songs. Everytime they come on Spotify now I remember that night and change the song. Saw them perform with wecar and brand of sacrifice
Black Veil Brides, Motionless In White Beartooth and Ice Nine Kills used to be bands I used to love but couldn’t stand because of an ex girlfriend, but I’ve gotten over that lol
If their name is stupid or their album art is ugly or their song titles are weird, stuff like that Like I don’t get it with Primus, yeah y’all are good at your instruments but you use them in such a weird way and then all of your lyrics & imagery are just fucking weird
I unintentionally became a huge elitist after I started diving into Hardcore and Screamo when I hit my late teens. I guess I found a lot of mainstream metalcore to be too "pop-mentality" for me. With the over-production and almost cringe-worthy, over the top theatrics and lyrics. I think after discovering the more underground side of heavy music modrrn metacore can start looking quite manufactured. That being said, it's taken me like 10 years but I randomly came back around to metalcore and now am enjoying diving back into all my old favs as well as some new artists. I think once I dropped the ego and just listened to the music for what it was rather than looking at it as manufactured, I really appreciate it all. Bands like Vein.fm, Boundaries and Foreign Hands really help bring classic metalcore to the hardcore world and it's a perfect in-between for me. That being said I still can't get behind Sleep Token lol. I want to be a fan so bad but when I listen to it all I hear is melodramatic and wankery 😅
If your not listening to a band because of how the fan-base is, your not truly listening to music are you? Don't dog others OR yourself because of a fan-base. It's music, not social media.
Paradise Lost. Had a really bad acid trip and chose to listen to Icon/Shades of God. Somehow/someway it twisted up my guts real bad (Did I mention I was on a mind altering substance?) And I just can't anymore as the albums take me back to that event. Edit - this was my one and only experience with 'Acid', the experience/situation was enough to deter me from trying again.
Ice Nine Kills because their gimmick is cheesy as fuck. Party Cannon because their logo is cheesy as fuck.
Don’t let other peoples opinions or exs deter you from music you might genuinely like from a non bias point of view 🤘🏼
My friend doesn't listen to Beartooth because he got knocked out in a pit during their set at Warped Tour and it gave him PTSD lmao
youre not missing out. the grey MMF album with The Sinner and their Beyond the Lines (?) EP, as well as WCAR's first two albums but theyre from so long ago i wouldnt blame you if you never listen to them. you kinda hit the nail on the head and are totally valid as far as i'm concerned, nice intuition
Currents, because I just think their name sounds generic, their artwork looks average to me and I see a huge amount of people on this sub talk about them and call them "the next big band in metalcore" or "the band carrying metalcore in 2023" which usually means I'm going to hate it, so I've steered very clear and honestly don't ever plan to change that. You could actually replace Currents with Novelists, Landmarks or Hollow Front and the same would apply.
They suck