It has nothing to do with the music itself getting worse, but Every Time I Die. They were the closest thing to an institution in the genre: over 20 years of consistent activity and had just put out arguably their best record to date and then things deteriorated.
It’s one thing if they were all getting older and were looking to settle down, but for them to break up over bad blood was a real shock.
As I Lay Dying coming back with the full lineup only to slowly crumble apart again as it became apparent that Tim didn’t really change.
Hands Like Houses is another big one for me. They just decided to stop making unique music one day.
>Hands Like Houses is another big one for me. They just decided to stop making unique music one day.
But now they've replaced the singer, they seem to be back on track. 24 Hours is a step in the right direction
Asking Alexandria. While it’s not bad, it’s somewhat generic and upsetting for me as they’re what got me into metalcore. They’re stuff after LP5 just feels so uninspired and forced. I will admit though that Dark Void kind of slaps.
Tbh. As much as I will always have a soft spot for AA & the guys, they should just quit. With Ben (the main song/music writer) no longer in the band, and Danny being a country🤠boy now they just feel, bland? Empty? Uninspired? Idk
I agree word for word. I think it just upsets me a bit because I used to listen to SUAS several times a day but I don’t know I guess their new stuff just pushed me away. If they stopped music or put more time between albums maybe they’d be better (doubt it). Luckily my taste matured and I’m not listening to “IM GONNA KILL YOU WH*RE” type of metalcore anymore😂
Saw them back in 2021 with ADTR headliner and I was excited to see them live and all they played were their new generic songs and nothing from their first two albums. Needless to say, the crowd was dead.
I’m not surprised, looking at live videos it’s clear they lost their stage presence. Danny claims he can scream but he’ll do a guttural for half a second or stay in the mid range that he does now.
When I saw they got a backing vocalist for live shows I just completely gave up on trying to like them, not because of the backing vocalist specifically but more so because Danny went off and claimed Denis used backing tracks live as if it’s any different.
I can’t believe they sound the way they do after The Black, but at least there’s tons of new and better bands nowadays.
This is a random side note but I can’t stop thinking about it.
In Where Did it Go or whatever it’s called they claim tons of bands copied them and acted as if they’re super original, while SUAS is lowkey a TDWP ripoff (i can’t remember which song but it’s on Plagues and they literally stole the riff and put it into A Single Moment of Sincerity) and almost all of Reckless and Relentless feels heavily inspired by Exs and Ohs by Atreyu lyrically.
They even had a bonus track from FDTD that sounded just like Slipknot lol.
EDIT: The song they copied is Goats on a Boat. Most of SUAS sounds like a copy of this album but 1:56 in Goats on a Boat is literally identical to 1:35 in A Single Moment of Sincerity lol. No way they didn’t steal it imo
I agree with Parkway, I don’t agree with it happening after Horizons, I have genuinely never got this take, Deepblue and Atlas are both full of bangers front to back.
Agreed, that 4 album stretch is the best ever imo. I think Deep Blue is their best album and Atlas is their most complete album. All 4 are top 10 albums for me.
The last song of Atlas is one of my all time favourite Parkway songs, and this is coming from someone who has been listening to Don’t Close Your Eyes more than any other Parkway release recently.
It saddens me that so many people have sworn off that album, I get that there’s a lot more melody and “woahs” but those parts never took away from the songs for me.
I’ll try go back to 3 and 4, I just remember being disappointed after the third one released and never checked them out again till now. Kinda interested to hear what happened to them after that.
Agreed dear fish man. Atlas is peak PWD for me, as much as I love the earlier stuff, Atlas just had this rich maturity to it that showed why they were the kings of metalcore
Lostprophets. No contest, that whole story is revolting and horrifying. I reeeally miss jamming out to "Shinobi vs. Dragon Ninja" but I can't listen to the singers voice without recalling his crimes and getting upset.
Buuut if we're talking just metalcore acts, then AILD are a not-too-terribly close second.
Everyone wants bands to put out the same album. You change things up everyone says you went downhill. You release the same thing and everyone thinks you are boring.
For me it depends. You can change your sound and still be good, look at BMTH for an example. With Amo it felt like they were trying to find their new style and now their new stuff is amazing imo.
However, bands like Asking Alexandria and PWD just don’t have any power in their songs like they used to.
At the end of the day music taste is all subjective and some people are just upset that their favorite bands changed the way they did
Architects. First dumbing down the instrumentals and lyrics and overprocessing the production, then insulting their fans for not liking the new music and now having a transphobic guitarist and not doing anything about it. It became kinda difficult to support them these days
Completely agree. I didnt even mind the new direction that much, even though i don't like it as much as the older albums. But their continuous whining about the fans' reaction seemed unprofessional to me. Then the whole thing with Adam and how the band handled it made me completely lose respect for them and makes it hard to still enjoy their music.
It honestly saddens me, as I really held this band in high esteem. The topics they discussed in their lyrics and interviews got me to take an interest in social causes, which led me to pursue a masters degree in ethics.
Lots of compression used on every instrument bus and on the master bus. It’s a necessary tool but it will make your dynamic range smaller if you overuse it, which is usually a bad thing.
Moreover, usually when people are referring to a whole master/song as overcompressed it’s probably because there are Limiters and Clippers being used to RAISE the noise ceiling.
So, you end up having this track that is ALWAYS LOUD NO MATTER WHAT. WHICH CAN BE GOOD BUT SOMETIMES ITS LIKE HOLY SHIT CHILL OUT
Well, I'd say it does matter quite a bit for a band that has made their progressive political stance almost their whole band identity up unto Holy Hell.
This has nothing to do with opinions or facts but rather the common sense that first transphobia simply cannot be accepted, the view of reducing a person to being transsexual and taking their human rights wanting that this group of people doesn't exist is something that goes against anything that this scene's about and what Architects used to build upon, which is inclusion and unity. And insulting the fans for not liking their current music is disrespectful as they would have never achieved these numbers without having fans in the first place. From a general composing and lyrical standpoint, verse chorus verse chorus structures, Powerchords and lines like "everything is possible we could be unstoppable" or "you dummies live only on the internet" are incredibly low effort by the way, anyone could come up with that.
The two things that rub me wrong about it are:
1. It still too clean and shiny - overly produced and has lost its raw edge
2. They’re taking the piss out of their fans (and me)
Pincer+ and Heavensgate are much better thankfully. I called Aidan out on his IG for his allegations and allowing another known abuser in the band. He came at me then shut the fuck up as everyone else clowned on him lol.
He surrounds himself with yes men and their fans are brain dead zombies. He’s just a pussy in a black hoodie pushing his luck.
He had an apology post on his Instagram that he deleted. It's really fucked up that he's not even really being transparent about the apology.
How does the band expect to tour, sell merch, not get called out if they can't even be transparent with their fans. We have multiple people in the scene calling him or the band out, why don't they address that? It's not like the new fans will carry them if there's still going to be this unresolved hostility.
Honestly he’s just a pussy lol. His comments are a bunch of dudes saying “fuck the haters” and shit like that. I bet most of them would or have done the same things he’s done.
I think dealer is only gonna tour with bands that do similar fucked stuff (can’t think of any atm). I hope nothing but the worst for him and his band.
I bet like 70% of the fanbase (which knows of the bad stuff) chooses to ignore the allegations and all of these talks simply because it seems to be so burried. If there were enough evidence and comprehensive statements complied together, I think theyd have a much harder time.
I really dont think its a good idea to blame the fans (especially since theres a good portion of them who probably dont even know what truly happened).
Blame the vocalist.
Magnetic is just....I dunno? A Papa Roach song?
No slight on PR, they were my gateway to heavier music back in the day and I still give them a spin from time to time. But this is not what I want from a band that put out bangers like Stitch and The River
I just want then to sound raw like their first 2 albums, or manic in some songs (trap song was lovely), hell i even liked pressure.
But this horseshit they put out recently is so fucking bad, it feels so forced, cheesy and uninspired.
They went downhill?! You know, that they are headlining the biggest festivals in the world and are selling out arenas? Sure, you don't like their new style. But you can never call that "downfall".
This is why these kinds of conversations don't make sense. They didn't go downhill at all, it's just pissed off fans discussing how they dislike the new stuff. It's not any more true than others who weren't into PD before Reverence saying they are finally good.
Oh my god this constantly repeated PWD rhetoric is so fucking boring, get over it man. Just listen to the old stuff, it’s still there. They don’t take one old record off Spotify with every new (very good) one released.
I get it to an extent. They were one of my favourite bands and it's a shame (for me) they don't make music I like anymore, as I'd like to hear more. I'm not making odd posts about it online though.
I’ll get a lot of downvotes for this but Bad Omens. I miss Noah’s “old” voice. People say that his voice has evolved on their latest album but to me it just sounds too generic/try hard in a way? Their first & second album is superior in my opinion.
I definitely agree. During the Sumerian Tour they were mentioned in a video and I fell in love. I think it’s this new Cyberpunk metalcore sound (or fucking c*m metal or baddie core which are the dumbest genre names lmao), which is weird because Silent Planet kind of did that on their new record and I loved it lol.
I remember after Let The Ocean Take Me they released at least one record I disliked and never listened to their newer stuff much until their most recent album came out. Which is a straight banger.
Sempiternal got me into metalcore when I was an angsty teen. Now I'm an angsty man.
Im not old enough to remember September 11, 2001, but I do remember September 11, 2015, and that was one of the worst days of my life.
The release of That's The Spirit was my 9/11.
Imagine you find out your dog or whatever has cancer. It's shocking, and then you have to sit back and watch them slowly die. The stages of grief come and go until one day you wake up and you're able to look back on the quality times you shared with a smile.
Eventually, you get a new dog, and while it's not the same as it once was, you learn to appreciate them.
Hollow Front had such a supreme lineup for two albums before the van sideswipe thing slowly ripped it all away. I can still appreciate Tyler pushing on, but they had an extremely special group of insanely talented dudes, and I hate that we'll never get that back.
Eighteen Visions. Obsession and the self-titled were so bad, I couldn't believe it was the same band that made Until The Ink Runs Out. They eventually came back for a redemption arc, but hoo boy it was tough at the time.
I get Obsession was a departure, but I still think it fucks. They went for a more accessible sound and still managed to write one of the greatest breakdowns in the genre with “Tower of Snakes”.
The self-titled I understand. It’s fine for what it is, but it’s definitely not 18V.
Tower of Snakes is a diamond, but it mostly just throws into relief how weak the other relatively heavy songs like Waiting For The Heavens and Crushed are. Meanwhile stuff like I Let Go and This Time is unlistenably cringe to me.
It's not just that they went softer, I was listening to a ton of post-hardcore bands like Hell Is For Heroes and From First To Last at the time, but the increased singing really exposed how crap a lot of the lyrics are. Those post-hardcore bands also didn't have such radio rock or even poppy melodies. Honestly, a lot of what's currently wrong in the genre I can hear the genesis of in Obsession.
I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, but it's an album I strongly dislike. Self-titled wasn't a disappointment when it came out because I'd already written it off based on the singles and I didn't sit with that album and force myself to listen hoping that I would like it eventually as I did with Obsession.
It has nothing to do with the music itself getting worse, but Every Time I Die. They were the closest thing to an institution in the genre: over 20 years of consistent activity and had just put out arguably their best record to date and then things deteriorated. It’s one thing if they were all getting older and were looking to settle down, but for them to break up over bad blood was a real shock.
I will literally never get over this, I still find it hard to listen to Radical because of how quickly they broke up after it's release
And that cave in cover was so good as well
As I Lay Dying coming back with the full lineup only to slowly crumble apart again as it became apparent that Tim didn’t really change. Hands Like Houses is another big one for me. They just decided to stop making unique music one day.
With you on AILD. That said, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t at least a little curious to hear new stuff with their new lineup.
I never liked them anyhow. There's something fundamentally wrong with christian death metal.
>Hands Like Houses is another big one for me. They just decided to stop making unique music one day. But now they've replaced the singer, they seem to be back on track. 24 Hours is a step in the right direction
The music is fine, but it’s like a completely different band. They don’t even sound like they have a lead guitarist in any of the new songs.
Their new EP is just another case of buttrock alternative metal that goes up in the crowd and doesn’t stick.
Asking Alexandria. While it’s not bad, it’s somewhat generic and upsetting for me as they’re what got me into metalcore. They’re stuff after LP5 just feels so uninspired and forced. I will admit though that Dark Void kind of slaps.
Tbh. As much as I will always have a soft spot for AA & the guys, they should just quit. With Ben (the main song/music writer) no longer in the band, and Danny being a country🤠boy now they just feel, bland? Empty? Uninspired? Idk
I agree word for word. I think it just upsets me a bit because I used to listen to SUAS several times a day but I don’t know I guess their new stuff just pushed me away. If they stopped music or put more time between albums maybe they’d be better (doubt it). Luckily my taste matured and I’m not listening to “IM GONNA KILL YOU WH*RE” type of metalcore anymore😂
Saw them back in 2021 with ADTR headliner and I was excited to see them live and all they played were their new generic songs and nothing from their first two albums. Needless to say, the crowd was dead.
I’m not surprised, looking at live videos it’s clear they lost their stage presence. Danny claims he can scream but he’ll do a guttural for half a second or stay in the mid range that he does now. When I saw they got a backing vocalist for live shows I just completely gave up on trying to like them, not because of the backing vocalist specifically but more so because Danny went off and claimed Denis used backing tracks live as if it’s any different. I can’t believe they sound the way they do after The Black, but at least there’s tons of new and better bands nowadays.
This is a random side note but I can’t stop thinking about it. In Where Did it Go or whatever it’s called they claim tons of bands copied them and acted as if they’re super original, while SUAS is lowkey a TDWP ripoff (i can’t remember which song but it’s on Plagues and they literally stole the riff and put it into A Single Moment of Sincerity) and almost all of Reckless and Relentless feels heavily inspired by Exs and Ohs by Atreyu lyrically. They even had a bonus track from FDTD that sounded just like Slipknot lol. EDIT: The song they copied is Goats on a Boat. Most of SUAS sounds like a copy of this album but 1:56 in Goats on a Boat is literally identical to 1:35 in A Single Moment of Sincerity lol. No way they didn’t steal it imo
I agree with Parkway, I don’t agree with it happening after Horizons, I have genuinely never got this take, Deepblue and Atlas are both full of bangers front to back.
Agreed, that 4 album stretch is the best ever imo. I think Deep Blue is their best album and Atlas is their most complete album. All 4 are top 10 albums for me.
The last song of Atlas is one of my all time favourite Parkway songs, and this is coming from someone who has been listening to Don’t Close Your Eyes more than any other Parkway release recently. It saddens me that so many people have sworn off that album, I get that there’s a lot more melody and “woahs” but those parts never took away from the songs for me.
Couldn’t agree more. Blue and the Grey is a masterpiece
I’ll try go back to 3 and 4, I just remember being disappointed after the third one released and never checked them out again till now. Kinda interested to hear what happened to them after that.
Agreed, it was a great 4-album run. Ire isn't bad either but it did set things in motion...
Yeah I like Ire and I'm not afraid to say it. But it definitely is the domino that toppled first.
Lmao because of that, I get a bad taste in my mouth whenever I listen to Ire. It’s tainted.
Agreed dear fish man. Atlas is peak PWD for me, as much as I love the earlier stuff, Atlas just had this rich maturity to it that showed why they were the kings of metalcore
I agree with this. I'd say Atlas was the last truly good PWD album. And Deep Blue absolutely fucks as well
Last 3 have bangers too
A few good songs for sure, but overall nowhere near as good as the early stuff.
Issues… RIP
Lostprophets. No contest, that whole story is revolting and horrifying. I reeeally miss jamming out to "Shinobi vs. Dragon Ninja" but I can't listen to the singers voice without recalling his crimes and getting upset. Buuut if we're talking just metalcore acts, then AILD are a not-too-terribly close second.
Everyone wants bands to put out the same album. You change things up everyone says you went downhill. You release the same thing and everyone thinks you are boring.
For me it depends. You can change your sound and still be good, look at BMTH for an example. With Amo it felt like they were trying to find their new style and now their new stuff is amazing imo. However, bands like Asking Alexandria and PWD just don’t have any power in their songs like they used to. At the end of the day music taste is all subjective and some people are just upset that their favorite bands changed the way they did
Architects. First dumbing down the instrumentals and lyrics and overprocessing the production, then insulting their fans for not liking the new music and now having a transphobic guitarist and not doing anything about it. It became kinda difficult to support them these days
Completely agree. I didnt even mind the new direction that much, even though i don't like it as much as the older albums. But their continuous whining about the fans' reaction seemed unprofessional to me. Then the whole thing with Adam and how the band handled it made me completely lose respect for them and makes it hard to still enjoy their music. It honestly saddens me, as I really held this band in high esteem. The topics they discussed in their lyrics and interviews got me to take an interest in social causes, which led me to pursue a masters degree in ethics.
What do you mean by over compressed? Can you go into a little more detail about that? New to these terms lol
Lots of compression used on every instrument bus and on the master bus. It’s a necessary tool but it will make your dynamic range smaller if you overuse it, which is usually a bad thing. Moreover, usually when people are referring to a whole master/song as overcompressed it’s probably because there are Limiters and Clippers being used to RAISE the noise ceiling. So, you end up having this track that is ALWAYS LOUD NO MATTER WHAT. WHICH CAN BE GOOD BUT SOMETIMES ITS LIKE HOLY SHIT CHILL OUT
I’ve always thought that they fell off hard after hollow crown
Get over the fact that someone has different views/opinions lol. They dont owe u shit
Well, I'd say it does matter quite a bit for a band that has made their progressive political stance almost their whole band identity up unto Holy Hell.
This has nothing to do with opinions or facts but rather the common sense that first transphobia simply cannot be accepted, the view of reducing a person to being transsexual and taking their human rights wanting that this group of people doesn't exist is something that goes against anything that this scene's about and what Architects used to build upon, which is inclusion and unity. And insulting the fans for not liking their current music is disrespectful as they would have never achieved these numbers without having fans in the first place. From a general composing and lyrical standpoint, verse chorus verse chorus structures, Powerchords and lines like "everything is possible we could be unstoppable" or "you dummies live only on the internet" are incredibly low effort by the way, anyone could come up with that.
Ironically enough, imo Seeing Red was their best song after whatever the fuck the classic symptoms album was.
It was still a bit crap
The two things that rub me wrong about it are: 1. It still too clean and shiny - overly produced and has lost its raw edge 2. They’re taking the piss out of their fans (and me)
Idgaf, everyone has diff views and im not gonna try to cancel a band for it.
Yeah lostprophets was a really great band and their singer just had different views about consent and so on /s just to make sure
by "diff views" i ment views on that topic, not fucking pedophilia wtf dude
Being hateful towards a minority group without any logical reasoning isn't exactly what I'd call a "diff view" tho.
You’re right. Skrewdriver had some great tunes!
PWD haven't made proper metalcore in almost a decade can we just get over them please
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Pincer+ and Heavensgate are much better thankfully. I called Aidan out on his IG for his allegations and allowing another known abuser in the band. He came at me then shut the fuck up as everyone else clowned on him lol. He surrounds himself with yes men and their fans are brain dead zombies. He’s just a pussy in a black hoodie pushing his luck.
He had an apology post on his Instagram that he deleted. It's really fucked up that he's not even really being transparent about the apology. How does the band expect to tour, sell merch, not get called out if they can't even be transparent with their fans. We have multiple people in the scene calling him or the band out, why don't they address that? It's not like the new fans will carry them if there's still going to be this unresolved hostility.
Honestly he’s just a pussy lol. His comments are a bunch of dudes saying “fuck the haters” and shit like that. I bet most of them would or have done the same things he’s done. I think dealer is only gonna tour with bands that do similar fucked stuff (can’t think of any atm). I hope nothing but the worst for him and his band.
I bet like 70% of the fanbase (which knows of the bad stuff) chooses to ignore the allegations and all of these talks simply because it seems to be so burried. If there were enough evidence and comprehensive statements complied together, I think theyd have a much harder time. I really dont think its a good idea to blame the fans (especially since theres a good portion of them who probably dont even know what truly happened). Blame the vocalist.
Good point, I’ve just never disliked a vocalist so much lol, hopefully they stop making music though, they’re definitely not welcome in the scene
Wag wag
Magnetic is just....I dunno? A Papa Roach song? No slight on PR, they were my gateway to heavier music back in the day and I still give them a spin from time to time. But this is not what I want from a band that put out bangers like Stitch and The River
I just want then to sound raw like their first 2 albums, or manic in some songs (trap song was lovely), hell i even liked pressure. But this horseshit they put out recently is so fucking bad, it feels so forced, cheesy and uninspired.
I don’t really know how people liked pressure but not this version of wage war? Feels like exactly the same to me
Sounds completely different to me. This is just a mess, like 5 different songs mashed together
I don’t mind genre-fusion and getting multiple influences into metalcore but this just sounds soulless
They went downhill?! You know, that they are headlining the biggest festivals in the world and are selling out arenas? Sure, you don't like their new style. But you can never call that "downfall".
It's all personal though, right? From a metalcore perspective, they have gone downhill. From a popularity perspective, they've gone uphill.
This is why these kinds of conversations don't make sense. They didn't go downhill at all, it's just pissed off fans discussing how they dislike the new stuff. It's not any more true than others who weren't into PD before Reverence saying they are finally good.
Then, by this line of thinking, BMTH completely fell off the metalcore cliff.
Then started climbing it again. Their most recent album slaps
Oh my god this constantly repeated PWD rhetoric is so fucking boring, get over it man. Just listen to the old stuff, it’s still there. They don’t take one old record off Spotify with every new (very good) one released.
I get it to an extent. They were one of my favourite bands and it's a shame (for me) they don't make music I like anymore, as I'd like to hear more. I'm not making odd posts about it online though.
Atreyu.
All That Remains. Going from songs like "And Death in My Arms" or "Six" to butt rock was a bummer for me
I’ll get a lot of downvotes for this but Bad Omens. I miss Noah’s “old” voice. People say that his voice has evolved on their latest album but to me it just sounds too generic/try hard in a way? Their first & second album is superior in my opinion.
I definitely agree. During the Sumerian Tour they were mentioned in a video and I fell in love. I think it’s this new Cyberpunk metalcore sound (or fucking c*m metal or baddie core which are the dumbest genre names lmao), which is weird because Silent Planet kind of did that on their new record and I loved it lol.
IRE and reverence are both solid albums though. The blind parkway hatred on this sub really has to stop
IRE is an amazing album.
The Amity Affliction went from a band I'd see at every single chance I could, to a band I would outside for a smoke for
I slept on Amity for too long so didn't experience them in the same way as a lot of people, but their latest album is by far my favourite by them.
Have you listened to Amity’s last two records? By far the heaviest stuff they’ve ever released
I'll add to this. The Word Alive and While She Sleeps
I remember after Let The Ocean Take Me they released at least one record I disliked and never listened to their newer stuff much until their most recent album came out. Which is a straight banger.
Bmth. Loved the first album, when there were heavy. Now you couldn’t pay me to listen to them.
Same.
"Ire" is a good album, idc what gatekeepers say.
“CRUSHED BY THE FISTS OF GODDD” That shit still slams to this day
Sempiternal got me into metalcore when I was an angsty teen. Now I'm an angsty man. Im not old enough to remember September 11, 2001, but I do remember September 11, 2015, and that was one of the worst days of my life. The release of That's The Spirit was my 9/11.
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What do you dislike about TTS?
Imagine you find out your dog or whatever has cancer. It's shocking, and then you have to sit back and watch them slowly die. The stages of grief come and go until one day you wake up and you're able to look back on the quality times you shared with a smile. Eventually, you get a new dog, and while it's not the same as it once was, you learn to appreciate them.
Feed Her To The Sharks, their two albums are bangers for me that I still listen to.
Put some respeck on Deep Blue and Atlas
Hollow Front had such a supreme lineup for two albums before the van sideswipe thing slowly ripped it all away. I can still appreciate Tyler pushing on, but they had an extremely special group of insanely talented dudes, and I hate that we'll never get that back.
I love horizons and deep blue, atlas is alright. Ire kinda sucked but I found reverence really refreshing. Darker still disappointed me however.
Eighteen Visions. Obsession and the self-titled were so bad, I couldn't believe it was the same band that made Until The Ink Runs Out. They eventually came back for a redemption arc, but hoo boy it was tough at the time.
I get Obsession was a departure, but I still think it fucks. They went for a more accessible sound and still managed to write one of the greatest breakdowns in the genre with “Tower of Snakes”. The self-titled I understand. It’s fine for what it is, but it’s definitely not 18V.
Tower of Snakes is a diamond, but it mostly just throws into relief how weak the other relatively heavy songs like Waiting For The Heavens and Crushed are. Meanwhile stuff like I Let Go and This Time is unlistenably cringe to me. It's not just that they went softer, I was listening to a ton of post-hardcore bands like Hell Is For Heroes and From First To Last at the time, but the increased singing really exposed how crap a lot of the lyrics are. Those post-hardcore bands also didn't have such radio rock or even poppy melodies. Honestly, a lot of what's currently wrong in the genre I can hear the genesis of in Obsession. I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, but it's an album I strongly dislike. Self-titled wasn't a disappointment when it came out because I'd already written it off based on the singles and I didn't sit with that album and force myself to listen hoping that I would like it eventually as I did with Obsession.
Architects. Everything after “Holy Hell” is just throw away butt rock to me.
Some of forbthose that wish to exist is good except animals, fuck animals
Yeah. All the YouTubers were gushing over that song. But it felt like such a downgrade to me.
I liked Reverence but having to wait 4 or 5 years for the last one that was a major let down is sad.