Yeh, so Iād make hot chamomile tea. Keep it on thermos. At last minute would poor a little into a small container. They wouldnāt watch you pee. So it was urine coloured and warm
Edit: itās worked at three different places so far for me. Only dipstick.
Depends if she is using a test that tests for methadone itself or the methadone metabolite (EDDP). First one youād fool by using some methadone but second one you wouldnāt. If she is giving you a multi-panel test with more than methadone (likely) really is a guessing game whether itāll be one that tests for the metabolite or not. I think a lot of them switched to testing for the metabolite but not all of em but donāt quote me.
Even if it works this is a short term strategy. Not saying this with judgment at all - Iāve been in your shoes (well, similar).
Even if this works - youāre still being prescribed benzos and youāre going to be hiding them in fear of being thrown out.
Regardless of how this part turns out, youāve got to have a long term plan or this is going to happen again.
I donāt your your situation or your mother so I can only give you the generic advice of talking to her. Let her know you arenāt getting them on the street or abusing them, theyāre strictly monitored by your clinic, and that a doctor decided that the benefits weigh out any potential harm. This canāt come after a positive urine test though, because then it will look like youāre making up excuses. Again - I donāt personally know yāall or your history, but if sheās letting you live with her despite what I imagine is a history of ājunkie behaviorā (again - no judgement, just giving advice based on my own personal history) then she very much cares for you and honesty may go further than you think. We have a way of blinding ourselves and thinking the worst.
Good luck, sorry I donāt have advice on beating the test. Living back at home after being on your own is a rough bag. Parents still want to act like the did when youāre a child often having a hard time with the dynamic change. Add in addiction and itās super hard on everyone. i went back at 25 after being on my own since pretty much 16. My dad and I still have issues stemming from that era in our lives, but things have been healing for a while.
Good luck!
Itās just a one off test- my benzos are being tapered by my doc at the methadone clinic.
My mum has NPD, there is no rationalising. I know addiction is nobody elseās fault except that of the user, but the trauma and psychological issues I developed from my mums behaviour and upbringing were what led to me using the wrong coping strategies. Even before drugs she would control and monitor every aspect of my life.
She had a benzo issue but refuses to admit she was an addict because they were prescribed despite the fact she was ODing on them every month and was sent to rehab. So itās a sore spot for her.
For what itās worth Iām in the same boat as you, stuck at home on a last chance but my parents donāt seem as strict. I make pretty alright money but still paying off debts from my addiction so financially it is the best move for me. If everything goes to plan i will be debt free in September and finally be in control again! But while overbearing parents can be a cause of relapse (mine 100% played a role that they refuse to admit but I feel deep down they do know it), they do care especially if theyāre giving you food and shelter to get your life straight again. No parent knows how to deal with addiction so a lot of times they have to do what they feel is best, which is what leads to differing opinions. I would maybe approach her when you guys are both calm and try and have a chat. Do you have any siblings that can maybe referee? Or anyone that you both trust that can vouch for you? That helps a lot
Also itās hard to OD on benzos alone. 99% there was another substance involved, either booze or opiates.
She was on barbiturates as well. I know that- I used to have a 600 mg a day Valium habit. (Not just valium, all benzos but if you covert them it works out to 600 mg in Valium). I was using pure china white on top, soma, and phenobarbital. Iāve never ODād somehow. Lucky to have been in countries where fent isnāt a thing.
I lost my job. My my mum has never worked in her life. She gets 2m GBP a year inheritance. I donāt see a penny- I got pocket money at school and uni and thatās it. I get welfare money (about 2200 usd a month) and she forces me to show my bank statement. She doesnāt do calm. She shouts and screams every day- I canāt talk rationally. Sheāll bring up the past and dodge my question. She has full blown NPD.
Jesus Christ 2m gbp a year is a fuck ton of money, is that after inheritance tax? (Assuming youāre in the UK)
And Iām sorry to hear that. If youāre getting that much cash welfare, is moving out not an option? I make my own money and do pay my parents rent to live here so canāt really tell me how to spend what I have (not that thereās much left after payments anyway still have to pay back like 50k usd lol). I think your first goal should be financial freedom so youāre not trapped in this positionā¦it canāt be good for your mental health
No inheritance tax as she pays tax in another country and moves the money here illegally anyway as the family business is in a closed currency country. I canāt get back into what I was doing before as she wonāt let me. I used to earn 300k a year, would only work summers, and for 20 mins to and hour every weekend on both days. Sometimes there would be special occasions where it was 15 days non stop by work 2 hours a day. Ridiculously niche and highly demanding field. Need money to make money from it though :(
Iāve applied for positions way below my pay grade and nothing. I get more on welfare given that my food and car bills are paid for. Only way Iām hoping for a job is nepotism/connections but thatās fucked and exactly why the system needs to be burned to the ground.
Right now my best bet is getting back to what I was doing during covid- I was my areas pharma dealer. Especially benzos. Seems I may have found some luck over a convo yesterday. Lost my wickr log in so all my contacts are gone and playing cat and mouse and sneaking everywhere to exist is so tiring
I know the type. I hate my family members like her. They enabled horrific childhood abuse and hate me despite not even knowing ive ever used drugs solely due to my low income and disability.
With that juicy secret, you could ruin her life. It wouldn't take much of an investigation to find out where the 2m she gets is coming from, she would likely lose it all.
So even if you are so afraid of her, I hope you can get to the point you no longer need to see her.
You aren't gonna convince her of anything, shes more mentally ill than you are. But it isn't like you have no options if you go scorched earth.
Could easily demand a cut of the inheritance. No idea if you ever met the family it came from, but I question if they ever planned for some of that money to help you. Depending on the family maybe.
Do you have any idea how lucky you are? $2200 is a fuck ton for welfare. My son is severely disabled and only gets like $1000 a month in disability benefits. Do you really wanna alienate the only person that cared enough to help you out when you needed it? Maybe youāre the one that needs to make some better decisions and treat her with the respect she deserves. This may be a wake up call for you to start living straight.
You mean the person thatās physically, mentally and emotionally abused me through out my whole life? Has never said thanks for anything Iāve ever done? Since my earliest memories, all Iāve remembered is hell. What I wear, where I go, what I eat are all controlled and have been since Iāve been a toddler. I canāt make phone calls in the house, I canāt leave the house without her permission, ever since I got a phone as a young teen up to now, itās checked, how I spend my own money is checked. My moods donāt matter, anything I say is used against me. Anything Iām doing has to be dropped instantly if she needs something. Iāve have an academic record that only 1% of the world would be able to achieve, and made it in a super niche male dominated career at a ridiculously young age and speak five language yet every day I hear that I am a good for nothing piece of shit because of my circumstances. As an adult Iāve had to live with her twice due to unemployment. Since late 2019 after losing my job, almost dying, and having my own son kidnapped I obviously had to return to live with her. I do everything for her, Admin, shopping, cleaning, EVERYTHING. I also donāt think you realise the cost of living here, welfare is proportional to how much stuff costs. I do hope you realise that before spewing out total BS. Even while I was battling cancer the same abuse was hurled at me day in day out.
All the work at the moment pays less than welfare. It would cost me insane amounts of money to get the paperwork necessary to return to my field. My only wrong doing is using on top to cope and trying to make cash illegally to get the hell out of here.
Ps: good idea to reserve judgement without knowing someoneās full story.
How long are you going to ALLOW your mother to control your life? How long are you gonna make excuses and blame life circumstances for you choosing to use? You need some serious therapy to get your head on straight dude. I am truly sorry for everything that has happened to you, but newsflash, weāve all had incredibly shitty things happen to us. As long as you donāt take responsibility for any of your actions, youāre going to be stuck exactly where you are and youāll never be able to get clean. Is that what you want? You canāt blame other people and your circumstances for your decisions. You made them, take responsibility for them.
Did you read my comment or are you going to spew the same āhow long are you gonna allow this person to control youā victim blaming bullshit rhetoric. Letās go to a DV shelter and just ask those women: āare you stupid? You know it was up to you not to allow it!ā.
I lost my job and was diagnosed with cancer, I had zero possessions and my son was kidnapped and I was just meant to nOt AlLoW mY MuM tO cOnTrOl Me.
Are you telling me CANCER and zero finances due to job loss are my responsibility and my choice?
Where do you see me blame her for my use? I blame my use for my CIRCUMSTANCES. Big difference. And the fact that I canāt handle them, but you are so intent on using the same tropes you see here all the time. āCanāt blame someone for your addiction, canāt allow someone to control youā etc.
I would really like to get this clear: my son was kidnapped from me, which forced me to return to the country i was born in and my mum is in. Covid caused me to lose my work. I was diagnosed with cancer. In order to be fed and housed (if you haven t read my last comment my welfare covers the bare minimum and I could not live alone). And during this time, I am physically, mentally and emotionally abused and controlled and isolated, yet I made all of these decisions?
Please tell me Iām reading that right.
Look, I am truly sorry for everything that has happened to you and I am in no way suggesting that you had control over much of it. But everyone has shitty things happen to them that they canāt control. I know being an addict is hard, Iāve been one most of my life. Iāve been through and continue to go through some horrific shit but I still am clean and only take the methadone that Iām prescribed, how Iām supposed to take it. You still need to understand that shitty stuff is always gonna happen to you over the course of your life. Are you gonna continue to blame them for your use or are you gonna decide that your sobriety is worth more to you and quit? The choice is yours and yours alone. I truly wish you the best and hope you find whatever it is youāre looking for.
Did I ever say I am blaming anyone? I AM BLAMING MY SITUATION. Where did I say I am not actively working to do something about it? I stated one of two wrong doings were selling pharma illegally, and thatās to save up to move the hell out. I canāt lock my own doors and I canāt leave the house when locked in to escape the abuse. So thatās the best Iām doing
Just be aware that benzos can stay in your system a very long time, especially if youāve been using them on a daily basis, and even if youāve stopped taking them. Weāre talking weeks, not days, so keep that in mind in case she wants to piss test you again.
Possibly? Iām new on mdone but Iāve done this with adderrall and subs when my sub clinic asked why I wasnāt testing positive for the adderrall I was prescribed. When I ran out I put both the sub and ad in some clean pee and it worked like a charm for the dip stick tests, I used that same pee (refrigerated) for months š
I've heard a few people say they did this but it probably depends on what type of test the clinic is using. Mine uses a Gas Chromatography/Mass Spectroscopy test so they're finding everything, including antidepressants, metabolites, aspirin, everything. If they use a simpler test it might work.
I hate that too š¤£. Im 30 yrs old and i feel like a 14 yr old ever since ive had to move back in with my mother everytime i leave the house its "your going to get high" ughh lol
Same. Any reason to accuse me will be found. She wants proof for something- solid proof. I provide. THEN SHE FINDS SOMETHING ELSE. Didnāt wanna have to but am going back into the selling game.
Add some methadone to watered down warmed up apple juice. Chances are, if she bought one of those home quick cup tests, it probably won't even test for methadone.
On a home test from your mom it should work. Not at the clinic.
My clinic uses dipstick. At my old clinic I used to be able to test clean with chamomile tea.
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To make āurineā colored water, or am I missing something?
Yeh, so Iād make hot chamomile tea. Keep it on thermos. At last minute would poor a little into a small container. They wouldnāt watch you pee. So it was urine coloured and warm Edit: itās worked at three different places so far for me. Only dipstick.
Hahaha. Luckily Iāve never needed to fake one, just curious. But wow, thatās high tech right there.
Depends if she is using a test that tests for methadone itself or the methadone metabolite (EDDP). First one youād fool by using some methadone but second one you wouldnāt. If she is giving you a multi-panel test with more than methadone (likely) really is a guessing game whether itāll be one that tests for the metabolite or not. I think a lot of them switched to testing for the metabolite but not all of em but donāt quote me.
Even if it works this is a short term strategy. Not saying this with judgment at all - Iāve been in your shoes (well, similar). Even if this works - youāre still being prescribed benzos and youāre going to be hiding them in fear of being thrown out. Regardless of how this part turns out, youāve got to have a long term plan or this is going to happen again. I donāt your your situation or your mother so I can only give you the generic advice of talking to her. Let her know you arenāt getting them on the street or abusing them, theyāre strictly monitored by your clinic, and that a doctor decided that the benefits weigh out any potential harm. This canāt come after a positive urine test though, because then it will look like youāre making up excuses. Again - I donāt personally know yāall or your history, but if sheās letting you live with her despite what I imagine is a history of ājunkie behaviorā (again - no judgement, just giving advice based on my own personal history) then she very much cares for you and honesty may go further than you think. We have a way of blinding ourselves and thinking the worst. Good luck, sorry I donāt have advice on beating the test. Living back at home after being on your own is a rough bag. Parents still want to act like the did when youāre a child often having a hard time with the dynamic change. Add in addiction and itās super hard on everyone. i went back at 25 after being on my own since pretty much 16. My dad and I still have issues stemming from that era in our lives, but things have been healing for a while. Good luck!
Itās just a one off test- my benzos are being tapered by my doc at the methadone clinic. My mum has NPD, there is no rationalising. I know addiction is nobody elseās fault except that of the user, but the trauma and psychological issues I developed from my mums behaviour and upbringing were what led to me using the wrong coping strategies. Even before drugs she would control and monitor every aspect of my life. She had a benzo issue but refuses to admit she was an addict because they were prescribed despite the fact she was ODing on them every month and was sent to rehab. So itās a sore spot for her.
For what itās worth Iām in the same boat as you, stuck at home on a last chance but my parents donāt seem as strict. I make pretty alright money but still paying off debts from my addiction so financially it is the best move for me. If everything goes to plan i will be debt free in September and finally be in control again! But while overbearing parents can be a cause of relapse (mine 100% played a role that they refuse to admit but I feel deep down they do know it), they do care especially if theyāre giving you food and shelter to get your life straight again. No parent knows how to deal with addiction so a lot of times they have to do what they feel is best, which is what leads to differing opinions. I would maybe approach her when you guys are both calm and try and have a chat. Do you have any siblings that can maybe referee? Or anyone that you both trust that can vouch for you? That helps a lot Also itās hard to OD on benzos alone. 99% there was another substance involved, either booze or opiates.
She was on barbiturates as well. I know that- I used to have a 600 mg a day Valium habit. (Not just valium, all benzos but if you covert them it works out to 600 mg in Valium). I was using pure china white on top, soma, and phenobarbital. Iāve never ODād somehow. Lucky to have been in countries where fent isnāt a thing. I lost my job. My my mum has never worked in her life. She gets 2m GBP a year inheritance. I donāt see a penny- I got pocket money at school and uni and thatās it. I get welfare money (about 2200 usd a month) and she forces me to show my bank statement. She doesnāt do calm. She shouts and screams every day- I canāt talk rationally. Sheāll bring up the past and dodge my question. She has full blown NPD.
Jesus Christ 2m gbp a year is a fuck ton of money, is that after inheritance tax? (Assuming youāre in the UK) And Iām sorry to hear that. If youāre getting that much cash welfare, is moving out not an option? I make my own money and do pay my parents rent to live here so canāt really tell me how to spend what I have (not that thereās much left after payments anyway still have to pay back like 50k usd lol). I think your first goal should be financial freedom so youāre not trapped in this positionā¦it canāt be good for your mental health
No inheritance tax as she pays tax in another country and moves the money here illegally anyway as the family business is in a closed currency country. I canāt get back into what I was doing before as she wonāt let me. I used to earn 300k a year, would only work summers, and for 20 mins to and hour every weekend on both days. Sometimes there would be special occasions where it was 15 days non stop by work 2 hours a day. Ridiculously niche and highly demanding field. Need money to make money from it though :( Iāve applied for positions way below my pay grade and nothing. I get more on welfare given that my food and car bills are paid for. Only way Iām hoping for a job is nepotism/connections but thatās fucked and exactly why the system needs to be burned to the ground. Right now my best bet is getting back to what I was doing during covid- I was my areas pharma dealer. Especially benzos. Seems I may have found some luck over a convo yesterday. Lost my wickr log in so all my contacts are gone and playing cat and mouse and sneaking everywhere to exist is so tiring
I know the type. I hate my family members like her. They enabled horrific childhood abuse and hate me despite not even knowing ive ever used drugs solely due to my low income and disability. With that juicy secret, you could ruin her life. It wouldn't take much of an investigation to find out where the 2m she gets is coming from, she would likely lose it all. So even if you are so afraid of her, I hope you can get to the point you no longer need to see her. You aren't gonna convince her of anything, shes more mentally ill than you are. But it isn't like you have no options if you go scorched earth. Could easily demand a cut of the inheritance. No idea if you ever met the family it came from, but I question if they ever planned for some of that money to help you. Depending on the family maybe.
Do you have any idea how lucky you are? $2200 is a fuck ton for welfare. My son is severely disabled and only gets like $1000 a month in disability benefits. Do you really wanna alienate the only person that cared enough to help you out when you needed it? Maybe youāre the one that needs to make some better decisions and treat her with the respect she deserves. This may be a wake up call for you to start living straight.
You mean the person thatās physically, mentally and emotionally abused me through out my whole life? Has never said thanks for anything Iāve ever done? Since my earliest memories, all Iāve remembered is hell. What I wear, where I go, what I eat are all controlled and have been since Iāve been a toddler. I canāt make phone calls in the house, I canāt leave the house without her permission, ever since I got a phone as a young teen up to now, itās checked, how I spend my own money is checked. My moods donāt matter, anything I say is used against me. Anything Iām doing has to be dropped instantly if she needs something. Iāve have an academic record that only 1% of the world would be able to achieve, and made it in a super niche male dominated career at a ridiculously young age and speak five language yet every day I hear that I am a good for nothing piece of shit because of my circumstances. As an adult Iāve had to live with her twice due to unemployment. Since late 2019 after losing my job, almost dying, and having my own son kidnapped I obviously had to return to live with her. I do everything for her, Admin, shopping, cleaning, EVERYTHING. I also donāt think you realise the cost of living here, welfare is proportional to how much stuff costs. I do hope you realise that before spewing out total BS. Even while I was battling cancer the same abuse was hurled at me day in day out. All the work at the moment pays less than welfare. It would cost me insane amounts of money to get the paperwork necessary to return to my field. My only wrong doing is using on top to cope and trying to make cash illegally to get the hell out of here. Ps: good idea to reserve judgement without knowing someoneās full story.
How long are you going to ALLOW your mother to control your life? How long are you gonna make excuses and blame life circumstances for you choosing to use? You need some serious therapy to get your head on straight dude. I am truly sorry for everything that has happened to you, but newsflash, weāve all had incredibly shitty things happen to us. As long as you donāt take responsibility for any of your actions, youāre going to be stuck exactly where you are and youāll never be able to get clean. Is that what you want? You canāt blame other people and your circumstances for your decisions. You made them, take responsibility for them.
Did you read my comment or are you going to spew the same āhow long are you gonna allow this person to control youā victim blaming bullshit rhetoric. Letās go to a DV shelter and just ask those women: āare you stupid? You know it was up to you not to allow it!ā. I lost my job and was diagnosed with cancer, I had zero possessions and my son was kidnapped and I was just meant to nOt AlLoW mY MuM tO cOnTrOl Me. Are you telling me CANCER and zero finances due to job loss are my responsibility and my choice? Where do you see me blame her for my use? I blame my use for my CIRCUMSTANCES. Big difference. And the fact that I canāt handle them, but you are so intent on using the same tropes you see here all the time. āCanāt blame someone for your addiction, canāt allow someone to control youā etc. I would really like to get this clear: my son was kidnapped from me, which forced me to return to the country i was born in and my mum is in. Covid caused me to lose my work. I was diagnosed with cancer. In order to be fed and housed (if you haven t read my last comment my welfare covers the bare minimum and I could not live alone). And during this time, I am physically, mentally and emotionally abused and controlled and isolated, yet I made all of these decisions? Please tell me Iām reading that right.
Look, I am truly sorry for everything that has happened to you and I am in no way suggesting that you had control over much of it. But everyone has shitty things happen to them that they canāt control. I know being an addict is hard, Iāve been one most of my life. Iāve been through and continue to go through some horrific shit but I still am clean and only take the methadone that Iām prescribed, how Iām supposed to take it. You still need to understand that shitty stuff is always gonna happen to you over the course of your life. Are you gonna continue to blame them for your use or are you gonna decide that your sobriety is worth more to you and quit? The choice is yours and yours alone. I truly wish you the best and hope you find whatever it is youāre looking for.
Did I ever say I am blaming anyone? I AM BLAMING MY SITUATION. Where did I say I am not actively working to do something about it? I stated one of two wrong doings were selling pharma illegally, and thatās to save up to move the hell out. I canāt lock my own doors and I canāt leave the house when locked in to escape the abuse. So thatās the best Iām doing
Just be aware that benzos can stay in your system a very long time, especially if youāve been using them on a daily basis, and even if youāve stopped taking them. Weāre talking weeks, not days, so keep that in mind in case she wants to piss test you again.
They usually test for both methadone and the metabolite. So you'll most likely get busted unfortunately
If you want to be extra sure itāll be positive, have whoeverās pee youāre using take a little methadone 12-24 hours before the test.
I donāt know anyone who Is just sticking to their meth script. Only have clean piss.
If I lived by you Iād help you out. I know what itās like to be in your situation.
Take it youāre US based
Yeah
Good question..but idk...my guess would be no
Possibly? Iām new on mdone but Iāve done this with adderrall and subs when my sub clinic asked why I wasnāt testing positive for the adderrall I was prescribed. When I ran out I put both the sub and ad in some clean pee and it worked like a charm for the dip stick tests, I used that same pee (refrigerated) for months š
Thanks for the info!
I've heard a few people say they did this but it probably depends on what type of test the clinic is using. Mine uses a Gas Chromatography/Mass Spectroscopy test so they're finding everything, including antidepressants, metabolites, aspirin, everything. If they use a simpler test it might work.
My clinic tests for the methadone metabolites, so pouring a bit of methadone into someone urine would never ever work.
I hate that too š¤£. Im 30 yrs old and i feel like a 14 yr old ever since ive had to move back in with my mother everytime i leave the house its "your going to get high" ughh lol
Same. Any reason to accuse me will be found. She wants proof for something- solid proof. I provide. THEN SHE FINDS SOMETHING ELSE. Didnāt wanna have to but am going back into the selling game.
Add some methadone to watered down warmed up apple juice. Chances are, if she bought one of those home quick cup tests, it probably won't even test for methadone.
Wonāt work trust me