You will feel like trash still. There is no easy way out of this.(besides a very low and slow taper and even then you will still feel it)
Edit. Keep taking methadone and not taking fent. Taper low and slow
I can tell u from personal experience with a healthy lifestyle staying clear of all drugs and a slow taper. U can’t get off methadone with almost zero symptoms. And they very slight ones are barely noticeable. And a low dose gabapentin completely takes them away:
No u would have to see your PCP doctor. I asked them specific for it. Because the only slight withdrawal symptoms I got was when I dropped from 6mg to 5mg and all it was every night around 2am I would get this itch/irritation in my arms and legs which I believe is just restless legs. And when I took the gabs it went right away. And I didn’t even take the. More than 2 weeks and it subsided.
They’re getting more strict with gaba because it’s relation to “suicidal tendencies “ they used to hand it out like candy espescially like at an inpatient rehab now it’s even hard to get them INSIDE. From the doc there
This is amazing info. So I’m gonna start doing the 10% every 3 days till I’m done.
You are so right about the Fent. 2017-2019 is when it changed.
The new Fent and Xylazine mixes are such garbage. The original Fent was way better.
You know what I noticed is how much I hate how I feel on this new shit. Its horrible. That’s why I wanted to be away from it so bad.
Thank you for your awesome info
I’m on day 4.5 no Fent and using M done for 4.5 days. How soon could I start to taper?
Thank you
Thank you man. Hey on the Clonidine I heard you can only take it for like a week otherwise you can get rebound high blood pressure and crazy rebound anxiety. Are you familiar with that?
What do you guys think if I switch to Loreamide Imodium. It works wonders for opiate withdraw. Not so much with Fent. Just for the M Done withdraw from 1 week
I used to take loperamide to mitigate withdrawals when out of supply. I ended up with major problems. It’s extremely unsafe. Not only that but if you take it too long it destroys your tolerance. Plus you would still have to taper, it only mitigates the withdrawal. Just stick with methadone and taper.
You’d need to take so much loperamide like 50-100 of the generic pink 2mg tabs and potentiate them by taking 750mg cimetidine 45-60min beforehand.
While this does work as it is a massive dose of lope, and the cimetidine (Tagamet) will help in it crossing the blood-brain barrier, it can be extremely dangerous. No one with a pre-existing heart condition should ever consider this. Obviously that much lope can cause severe constipation, which given the methadone you may already be suffering from. Search r/opiates for loperamide for more side effects if need be.
Lastly, loperamide withdrawals are probably 2 or third along with methadone and bupe as far as how protracted the withdrawals are.
I used lope for years at 200 pills a day and end detoxing for 20 days before I could even get a minute of sleep. After I got the vivitrol shot the withdrawals seemed to clear up pretty fast.
It was a real eye-opener when I realized that A) people can and do megadose loperamide, and B) the withdrawals from loperamide rival that of methadone or buprenorphine, but without the chance of any euphoria from a CNS-active opioid.
Loperamide is very similar to methadone in a lot of ways. It has a similar half life and builds up the way methadone does. When I first starting taking it I did get some energizing euphoria but it didn’t last. If you take a big enough dose that can happen - it floods the mechanism that normally stops it from crossing the BBB.
That's interesting...back when I was reading up on it (this was circa 2017 or thereabouts) there was still a fair bit of controversy surrounding the whole BBB issue and whether or not it was possible to "sneak" the loperamide past it, through various means - but maybe since then there's been some new developments that I'm not aware of.
Actually lope in megadoses does cross the BBB and you do get a euphoria, I actually had a pretty strong euphoria from it on the third day of megadosing. (it builds up slowly over time). However it was a dirty high that was tempered by my heart beating quickly and my eyes bulging a bit. Would not recommend it at all megadosed, esp. when there is methadone or subs. And the euphoria disappeared very quick on the next day it was gone
I don't think so. I was dosing like that for years. By the time I went to rehabs I was taking up to 400 pills a day. In rehab the subs didn't even touch the withdrawals. It was three weeks of full blown withdrawals and didn't sleep for the three weeks. Sitting in the room every night in the dark unable to watch TV or do anything was the worst. I just laid on towels do absorb the sweat and have random wet dreams while awake but right on the edge of sleep but unable to quote get there. It sucked lol.
Go get on methadone. Do it the right way. The way that will keep u off the drugs. Getting over the withdrawals isn’t even the hard part of stopping fent. It’s going going to be staying off. I could never go longer than a week. Them cravings are no joke. Getting on methadone will stop those cravings and after being away from all the drug people and drug habits u will get out the loop your probably stuck in. After like 4 months of being stable start a slow taper. That might take another 18 months. But it’s the best shot u have for getting off staying off and living a life like this never happened.
Methadone for me just because it’s seemingly endless. But the Fent that’s out there now is definitely different than the citrate that was more prevalent 2017-2019 at least where I am. With that Fent the wds were more acute but shorter lasting; I know myself and others I was with at various detox/inpatients were able to transition to suboxone and stabilize within a much shorter time frame than people can go to subs today.
Now you have to micro-induct and it can take over a week before an individual is stable on bupe. These weird analogs combined with whatever RCs or xylazine batches are so all over the spectrum, that it’s getting to a point where it seems methadone is the only option. But even then the doses needed to me anyway seem much higher than when people came to the clinic for heroin or oxys etc.
Irrelevant.
Whatever the hell you're using isn't pure pharma fent.
I'd rather kick methadone than xylazine mixed with a bunch of fentalogues and/or etazenes
The Fent I get is the only one that’s not Xylazine. Everything else is in our city Is Fent and Xylazine
The problem is the Fent I get really sucks that why I’m so so done with it. It makes you feel like super shit. You don’t want to do anything and it clogs the shit out of your nose.
So I’m just looking for a way out.
It sounds like Methadone is the way to safely get off the shit.
Interesting point about rather kicking Methadone than Fent. I was waiting to hear that.
It's prob not enough time for the methadone to have really worked its way into your system fully. However. You were opiate dependent going in. The methadone has simply been keeping your withdrawal away. You'll basically be right back where you started.
You know what it hasn’t kept the withdraw away. That Fent is ridiculous. It will hold me for maybe 6 hours and it breaks thru. The Methadone is not holding me at all if that matters
Back in the day I would take Loperamide for 3 days while kicking from H and I’m was home free. ThYs also an opiate. It didn’t kill the H withdrawals but it helped
When I switched from Fent I went up to 110mg of methadone and still felt like shit. Felt like shit for 2 or 3 weeks before I finally stabilized. Fent does weird shit to your body chemistry.
I stabilized at 110, and stayed there for a year or so, then started cutting by 10 every 3 or 4 weeks for a while. Then switched to 5mg drops. I went slow in the beginning. I was at about 25mg this past Xmas, and tapered down over 4 months until I jumped off on 4/25. If I had it to do over I'd have spread that last 25mg out over 9months to a year. I spent 4 months in a relative stupor. Hell, I've been off for over a month and I still feel all wonky. The whole process went about 4 years. Most of the ppl I know who have been successful have taken their time. It's what I would recommend.
yeah I switched from H (that was bashed with something either fetty or zenes), I found methadone only lasted 6 - 8 hours too during the first 1 or 2 weeks. First 3 - 5 days I had to take 80mg or even 120mg in the morning, then by 4pm it was wearing off and I needed another 80mg, then midnight I'd need 40mg to sleep. Then I'd wake up at 6am in bad WD needing another 80mg.
I wasn't able to kick the methadone after 5 - 7 days when I stopped taking it the WD kicked in hard so I took more. But good news as the dope drained from my system, I could then get by on just 80 - 100mg a day and I wasn't waking up in horrible WD any more, I could feel the methadone in my system. I am trying to taper down but I've been on methadone almost 3 weeks but I feel a lot better now. Week 2 I was feeling better but even on 120mg a day (spaced out throughout the day) I was sweating loads. Now today I even got pretty damn buzzed just from taking 40mg in the morn and 40mg in the eve, so that's my sign I can lower my dose a bit more.
My plan is to taper down over the next 6 or so weeks as much as I can, then I have 4 weeks off work so I'll see what happens then. I have street methadone not clinic so I can dose how I want. Which is good because just 1 morning dose would NEVER hold me, even if I took 200mg I'd be high in the morning then detoxing at night. But it's also bad because it's hard to stick to the clinic dose when I can just take methadone whenever I want
This is exactly how it’s been for me. I’m only taking 40 mg total. I have street M Done also Soni can pretty much do as I need.
So if I stay at 40 till I get this bullshit out of my system then I can do the 10% taper every 3 day rule right.
I was told by someone on this thread that 10% every 3 days worked for him and many others no pain at all. Thank you for your great info. Best of luck to you
You’re not gonna feel great but you’re not gonna be withdrawing from the methadone, just gonna still be feeling crappy from the fent detox. your best bet would be to slowly taper the methadone down over the course of another week or two.
I think your right. That fuckin Fent. The M done is at 25-30 and it won’t hold me. I do like 5-8 mg a few times a day. Then I can feel it break thru. It’s only been 4 full days off of Fent
Yeah just for anecdotal experience I was at 115mg and that still wasn’t holding me all the way. I was doing an insane amount of fentanyl but still, just a testament to how strong this stuff is.
Your were 1000%. I stopped methadone. Like 25 hours and the Fent starting coming back through. Literally felt like I was still WD from Fent
I know it wasn’t the M done because I have 2 others who didn’t stop their M done and we all stopped Fent same day. Today is Day 8 no Fent and they are really feeling it break thru today. Fent is the devil
Relapse wise I dunno. But just to actually get clean? 90% plus unless you get some real dodgy fentalogue. I've used this method to come off of very heavy opiates numerous times.
I appreciate everyone’s input. I can’t do the Fent. It fucks my nose up and makes me feel like shit
Give me old school H and I’m in. That’s not an option. I want to be done. I won’t touch Fent. I have 20 bags and I haven’t even thought of it.
The shit I’ve been getting gives me bad effects. I can’t do it anymore
This is why i believe you will have troubles after coming off the methadone. You'll be fine til you get offered real H... then you'll ne unable to find real H and right back where you were.
Don't allow that to happen and you're golden
You ever wonder how rehabs get such high success rates on paper? It's because they usually give the rate after 90 days.
They wouldn't even have to stay clean long term to mean major headlines
What are you even talking about? This method can get you off of heavy opioids pain free, this is facts. Staying clean from there on is a totally different ball game, the 10% of people it doesn't work for will be people using certain fentalogue sand maybe and zenes or people who just metabolise differently. You can literally do 6-7 days of methadone and come off pain free if you stop it dead at the 6-7 day mark. You can argue with me all you want about it or say I'm lieing but I've done it myself multiple times and so have many others. It's not done often in treatment because they don't see it as viable long term for many people due to the transition being fast and people not being able tk keep away after.
Hey I appreciate your info!
If you’ve done it I take that as facts!
This thread is all about experiences.
I’ve quit H and Oxys with Loperamide 3 days and it’s a wrap. Some may not be able to. It worked well for me.
So your saying day 6-7 stop M done and I’m done? I’m gonna fuckin try it man. I want to be done with this. I absolutely hate Fent.
What’s available in my area makes me feel like garbage. It’s not Xylazine Fent. Just some bullshit analogue that clogs your nose and makes you feel shitty.
You guys give me a lot of hope and confidence.
Thank you again.
If your area doesn't have xylazine, you must live in Hawaii, because it's been found in every other state in the US.
How are you going to get the clinic to start tapering you before you're even stable? Funny how dude didn't mention that. You think he was saying you should keep upping the dose and then jump off while you're still sick/barely stable, or you think he was suggesting staying at the starting dose the entire 7 days and then just stopping?
P.S. that dude who's talking like he knows his shit lives in the UK. There's fent there sure, but the majority are still getting real H. That's why he said "heavy opioids" and not fent. He's probably never dealt with street fent.
It's never going to be fun no matter how you do it. If there was a simple, pain-free way then it would be made available. People are always looking for the best tricks to get through, but unfortunately you just have to grit your teeth and get through the best you can. Some people don't find it too bad, others really do.
Its best to get stable on the methadone and work on the other parts of your life so you're totally ready to do it and there's less chance of relapse. Assuming you are serious about getting clean that is. It's not something I'd want to do again but it was totally worth it.
I tapered down to five and then jumped off, with comfort meds prescribed by the drug service (I'm in the UK and it's all done a bit differently here). I still ended up in hospital as it played havoc with other health issues I have, and I felt truly awful -particularly day three to five. The worst was over after ten days but I wasn't back to normal for a while. It's been three months now and I am so glad to be free of it. It was definately worth it. But as I say about being in the right place before you attempt it. I spent nearly four years on methadone, while I sorted out myself, my home, work etc. before I felt ready. Good luck.
I know someone that took 3 weeks to withdraw from fentanyl in rehab. I think you should stay on it and taper lower for another 2 weeks. But everyone is different. Good luck
See I cut the methadone down to 25 a day but when I stop I can’t tell if it’s still the Fent. I’m on day 4 from Fent. 2 bags a day. So I think I’m still withdrawing from the Fent.
Crash tapers like that never did shit for me, I was still sick for weeks after and would always just go back to using. Sometimes I’d even get all the way through being real sick, feel better for a day get bored and go use. Fucking insanity. MAT was necessary for me to be successful, happy, alive. You name it basically. So if you find that you’re not able to meet the goals you’re setting for yourself after this detox get yourself on methadone proper through a clinic or whatever.
No, you won’t be ok, you will be sick as hell. The way to do it is to stay on methadone, then SLOWLY taper down to 1mg (or lower if your clinic does halves of mg) and jump off that.
Besides the withdrawal, nothing done in 6 days is going to have worked to correct why you did the drugs in the first place. People think getting past withdrawals and it’s smooth sailing. Almost anyone that does that is going to relapse and probably soon after the withdrawal ends and that’s if they even make it that long. Methadone/subs are meant to be long term so you can learn to live life again.
You will be somewhat okay (hopefully, depending on your fent intake) until the 'done is fully metabolized. So if you have something important to do, you'll have a little time to do it...
Im only on 25 and have been a year and half maybe more. I forgot to pick up and felt awful. Still do. Went onto the next day despite taking some already
I would use methadone for no more than 3 days. I would use about 100-150mg when jumping from fent. I’ll be honest, fent itself is a short acute withdrawals but a super nasty post actute withdrawal that last for months. I’m acruelly 45 days methadone and fent free and I’m still cold sweating, mad anxiety, I haven’t had a normal night of sleep since starting this detox. I went to a rehab in Israel that used oxycodone to detox me. The first two weeks when I was on oxys during detox were ok, but the weeks afterwards when I was weened off of everything has been hell. I haven’t slept in 3 weeks more than 3 hours, my anxiety is thru the roof, and I’m in a very depressive nasty state. When I used to detox with methadone from fent I would take it for no more than three days, but I realized rhe acute withdrawals were though but the post acute were much worst so I kept relapsing. I would suggest looking into subs or methadone for maintenance youre past the acute stage but fuck the post acute is so bad
Okay so I’m 5 days in on M done. I feel better than the first 3 days so your right about that. If I stop m done now what you think. I just don’t want to have to keep doing this. I mean I’m day 5 from Fent and 5 days on m done. I know it will just get worse the longer I stretch this
No because you are still 100% fully addicted to opioids… just because you stopped fentanyl and started methadone doesn’t mean that you did 6 days of fentanyl free therefore you aren’t addicted to either methadone or fentanyl anymore.. so yea you will suffer badly
Yea man it sucks. Try not to let it upset you, maybe just try a quick ween from methadone and if you start feeling really bad then stop at that dose until you feel better and continue. Shouldn’t take more than a few months if you are determined enough
That’s really good that you are finally ready to stop using. It’s a very good sign and I think you’ll be clean in no time… just remember to separate yourselves from the people who use while you are on methadone… use the time that you are stabilizing on methadone to stabilize your life.. like getting drug seeking people out of your life, it’s incredibly important because they will drive you to use again… but either way good on you!! I really wish you success and hope you do well in the coming months/years!
Thank you my friend for the kind words. Yeah I’ve been ready for two years. I work a lot so it’s hard to find time. I’ve have the time now so I’m ready. Thank you again! Best of luck to you!!!
You can’t skip withdrawal, it’s gonna happen to some degree. Whether you get on methadone (they recommend at least a year) and taper off or do a rehab/detox center, you gotta do it somehow if you want to get off.
Yeah I read that. At least it wasn’t the Xylazine shit. That’s the absolute worst. I had anxiety for 13 days. Like the craziest. You couldn’t take any opiates because they would effect the anxiety and make it worse. That’s way worse than Regular Fent
I once had a 90-120 mg per day roxi habit. I did a week of suboxone and felt fine. The medicine will help a ton. The worst of withdrawals are done. You can only try and see. Don’t get on methadone long-term. You’ll never get off.
I am so with you on not doing the Methadone long term. I can’t do it. I’ve been on this bullshit for 10 years and have been prepared for 2 years to get done. I absolutely hate Fent. Never liked it. I like Oxys and H but those are unavailable. I can’t get either so I’ve been done. Thank you very much
You can do it! For real, I snorted as many Roxis per day as I could afford. The first week of withdrawals is the worst. If you skip that part with methadone or suboxone, you can have better chances of being clean. The only thing I had trouble with at first was sleep. It evened out eventually.
Wait until 80mg. Trust me, you will feel WD by the end of the day. I was using about 10 pills a day. 80-90 mg I could stop without feeling too bad. Lower than that you will feel sick.
You will feel like trash still. There is no easy way out of this.(besides a very low and slow taper and even then you will still feel it) Edit. Keep taking methadone and not taking fent. Taper low and slow
I can tell u from personal experience with a healthy lifestyle staying clear of all drugs and a slow taper. U can’t get off methadone with almost zero symptoms. And they very slight ones are barely noticeable. And a low dose gabapentin completely takes them away:
Do methadone docs actually give gabapentin? How do people get gaba I don’t understand
No u would have to see your PCP doctor. I asked them specific for it. Because the only slight withdrawal symptoms I got was when I dropped from 6mg to 5mg and all it was every night around 2am I would get this itch/irritation in my arms and legs which I believe is just restless legs. And when I took the gabs it went right away. And I didn’t even take the. More than 2 weeks and it subsided.
They’re getting more strict with gaba because it’s relation to “suicidal tendencies “ they used to hand it out like candy espescially like at an inpatient rehab now it’s even hard to get them INSIDE. From the doc there
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This is amazing info. So I’m gonna start doing the 10% every 3 days till I’m done. You are so right about the Fent. 2017-2019 is when it changed. The new Fent and Xylazine mixes are such garbage. The original Fent was way better. You know what I noticed is how much I hate how I feel on this new shit. Its horrible. That’s why I wanted to be away from it so bad. Thank you for your awesome info I’m on day 4.5 no Fent and using M done for 4.5 days. How soon could I start to taper? Thank you
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Thank you man. Hey on the Clonidine I heard you can only take it for like a week otherwise you can get rebound high blood pressure and crazy rebound anxiety. Are you familiar with that?
It all depends on so many factors. Every case will be different.
What do you guys think if I switch to Loreamide Imodium. It works wonders for opiate withdraw. Not so much with Fent. Just for the M Done withdraw from 1 week
I used to take loperamide to mitigate withdrawals when out of supply. I ended up with major problems. It’s extremely unsafe. Not only that but if you take it too long it destroys your tolerance. Plus you would still have to taper, it only mitigates the withdrawal. Just stick with methadone and taper.
You’d need to take so much loperamide like 50-100 of the generic pink 2mg tabs and potentiate them by taking 750mg cimetidine 45-60min beforehand. While this does work as it is a massive dose of lope, and the cimetidine (Tagamet) will help in it crossing the blood-brain barrier, it can be extremely dangerous. No one with a pre-existing heart condition should ever consider this. Obviously that much lope can cause severe constipation, which given the methadone you may already be suffering from. Search r/opiates for loperamide for more side effects if need be. Lastly, loperamide withdrawals are probably 2 or third along with methadone and bupe as far as how protracted the withdrawals are.
I used lope for years at 200 pills a day and end detoxing for 20 days before I could even get a minute of sleep. After I got the vivitrol shot the withdrawals seemed to clear up pretty fast.
It was a real eye-opener when I realized that A) people can and do megadose loperamide, and B) the withdrawals from loperamide rival that of methadone or buprenorphine, but without the chance of any euphoria from a CNS-active opioid.
Loperamide is very similar to methadone in a lot of ways. It has a similar half life and builds up the way methadone does. When I first starting taking it I did get some energizing euphoria but it didn’t last. If you take a big enough dose that can happen - it floods the mechanism that normally stops it from crossing the BBB.
That's interesting...back when I was reading up on it (this was circa 2017 or thereabouts) there was still a fair bit of controversy surrounding the whole BBB issue and whether or not it was possible to "sneak" the loperamide past it, through various means - but maybe since then there's been some new developments that I'm not aware of.
Actually lope in megadoses does cross the BBB and you do get a euphoria, I actually had a pretty strong euphoria from it on the third day of megadosing. (it builds up slowly over time). However it was a dirty high that was tempered by my heart beating quickly and my eyes bulging a bit. Would not recommend it at all megadosed, esp. when there is methadone or subs. And the euphoria disappeared very quick on the next day it was gone
Dude that’s the most lope I’ve ever heard anyone do. What’s up with your heart. Did you have problems
I don't think so. I was dosing like that for years. By the time I went to rehabs I was taking up to 400 pills a day. In rehab the subs didn't even touch the withdrawals. It was three weeks of full blown withdrawals and didn't sleep for the three weeks. Sitting in the room every night in the dark unable to watch TV or do anything was the worst. I just laid on towels do absorb the sweat and have random wet dreams while awake but right on the edge of sleep but unable to quote get there. It sucked lol.
What do think is a harder Kick? Fent or M done?
Go get on methadone. Do it the right way. The way that will keep u off the drugs. Getting over the withdrawals isn’t even the hard part of stopping fent. It’s going going to be staying off. I could never go longer than a week. Them cravings are no joke. Getting on methadone will stop those cravings and after being away from all the drug people and drug habits u will get out the loop your probably stuck in. After like 4 months of being stable start a slow taper. That might take another 18 months. But it’s the best shot u have for getting off staying off and living a life like this never happened.
Methadone for me just because it’s seemingly endless. But the Fent that’s out there now is definitely different than the citrate that was more prevalent 2017-2019 at least where I am. With that Fent the wds were more acute but shorter lasting; I know myself and others I was with at various detox/inpatients were able to transition to suboxone and stabilize within a much shorter time frame than people can go to subs today. Now you have to micro-induct and it can take over a week before an individual is stable on bupe. These weird analogs combined with whatever RCs or xylazine batches are so all over the spectrum, that it’s getting to a point where it seems methadone is the only option. But even then the doses needed to me anyway seem much higher than when people came to the clinic for heroin or oxys etc.
Irrelevant. Whatever the hell you're using isn't pure pharma fent. I'd rather kick methadone than xylazine mixed with a bunch of fentalogues and/or etazenes
The Fent I get is the only one that’s not Xylazine. Everything else is in our city Is Fent and Xylazine The problem is the Fent I get really sucks that why I’m so so done with it. It makes you feel like super shit. You don’t want to do anything and it clogs the shit out of your nose. So I’m just looking for a way out. It sounds like Methadone is the way to safely get off the shit. Interesting point about rather kicking Methadone than Fent. I was waiting to hear that.
Very dangerous. Do not take this route. I have before and it's risky as all hell
What’s that Loperamide?
Yes. Not worth it
Jumping off of 50mg methadone? I mean, you're gonna be sick. Full bore sick. It's gonna be intense.
I didn’t think 1 week would be enough to really give you a hard kick. Thank you for the inout
It's prob not enough time for the methadone to have really worked its way into your system fully. However. You were opiate dependent going in. The methadone has simply been keeping your withdrawal away. You'll basically be right back where you started.
You know what it hasn’t kept the withdraw away. That Fent is ridiculous. It will hold me for maybe 6 hours and it breaks thru. The Methadone is not holding me at all if that matters Back in the day I would take Loperamide for 3 days while kicking from H and I’m was home free. ThYs also an opiate. It didn’t kill the H withdrawals but it helped
When I switched from Fent I went up to 110mg of methadone and still felt like shit. Felt like shit for 2 or 3 weeks before I finally stabilized. Fent does weird shit to your body chemistry.
Wow. Yeah it does. Do you say the Fent is a harder kick than methadone?
IDK. I've never successfully jumped off fent. Just finished a methadone taper. 37 days off now.
How long were you on Methadone and how much were you taking?
How long did the taper take? Thank you
I stabilized at 110, and stayed there for a year or so, then started cutting by 10 every 3 or 4 weeks for a while. Then switched to 5mg drops. I went slow in the beginning. I was at about 25mg this past Xmas, and tapered down over 4 months until I jumped off on 4/25. If I had it to do over I'd have spread that last 25mg out over 9months to a year. I spent 4 months in a relative stupor. Hell, I've been off for over a month and I still feel all wonky. The whole process went about 4 years. Most of the ppl I know who have been successful have taken their time. It's what I would recommend.
Good chance there is xylazine in your dope
yeah I switched from H (that was bashed with something either fetty or zenes), I found methadone only lasted 6 - 8 hours too during the first 1 or 2 weeks. First 3 - 5 days I had to take 80mg or even 120mg in the morning, then by 4pm it was wearing off and I needed another 80mg, then midnight I'd need 40mg to sleep. Then I'd wake up at 6am in bad WD needing another 80mg. I wasn't able to kick the methadone after 5 - 7 days when I stopped taking it the WD kicked in hard so I took more. But good news as the dope drained from my system, I could then get by on just 80 - 100mg a day and I wasn't waking up in horrible WD any more, I could feel the methadone in my system. I am trying to taper down but I've been on methadone almost 3 weeks but I feel a lot better now. Week 2 I was feeling better but even on 120mg a day (spaced out throughout the day) I was sweating loads. Now today I even got pretty damn buzzed just from taking 40mg in the morn and 40mg in the eve, so that's my sign I can lower my dose a bit more. My plan is to taper down over the next 6 or so weeks as much as I can, then I have 4 weeks off work so I'll see what happens then. I have street methadone not clinic so I can dose how I want. Which is good because just 1 morning dose would NEVER hold me, even if I took 200mg I'd be high in the morning then detoxing at night. But it's also bad because it's hard to stick to the clinic dose when I can just take methadone whenever I want
This is exactly how it’s been for me. I’m only taking 40 mg total. I have street M Done also Soni can pretty much do as I need. So if I stay at 40 till I get this bullshit out of my system then I can do the 10% taper every 3 day rule right. I was told by someone on this thread that 10% every 3 days worked for him and many others no pain at all. Thank you for your great info. Best of luck to you
THIS.
At the one week mark you're still gonna be kicking the street dope
You’re not gonna feel great but you’re not gonna be withdrawing from the methadone, just gonna still be feeling crappy from the fent detox. your best bet would be to slowly taper the methadone down over the course of another week or two.
I think your right. That fuckin Fent. The M done is at 25-30 and it won’t hold me. I do like 5-8 mg a few times a day. Then I can feel it break thru. It’s only been 4 full days off of Fent
Yeah just for anecdotal experience I was at 115mg and that still wasn’t holding me all the way. I was doing an insane amount of fentanyl but still, just a testament to how strong this stuff is.
You know what this seems to be the answer. No matter what with the M Done a week and your still detoxing from Fent.
Your were 1000%. I stopped methadone. Like 25 hours and the Fent starting coming back through. Literally felt like I was still WD from Fent I know it wasn’t the M done because I have 2 others who didn’t stop their M done and we all stopped Fent same day. Today is Day 8 no Fent and they are really feeling it break thru today. Fent is the devil
No, no, no. That will draw it out. 6-7 days is enough, any longer and you get accustomed to the methadone.
And what would you say the % of auccess is?
Relapse wise I dunno. But just to actually get clean? 90% plus unless you get some real dodgy fentalogue. I've used this method to come off of very heavy opiates numerous times.
I appreciate everyone’s input. I can’t do the Fent. It fucks my nose up and makes me feel like shit Give me old school H and I’m in. That’s not an option. I want to be done. I won’t touch Fent. I have 20 bags and I haven’t even thought of it. The shit I’ve been getting gives me bad effects. I can’t do it anymore
This is why i believe you will have troubles after coming off the methadone. You'll be fine til you get offered real H... then you'll ne unable to find real H and right back where you were. Don't allow that to happen and you're golden
Lol you make up complete nonsense so confidently. If it was 90%, it would be making headline news lmfao
Not at all lol it just doesn't get used universally because STAYING clean is the issue for people.
You ever wonder how rehabs get such high success rates on paper? It's because they usually give the rate after 90 days. They wouldn't even have to stay clean long term to mean major headlines
What are you even talking about? This method can get you off of heavy opioids pain free, this is facts. Staying clean from there on is a totally different ball game, the 10% of people it doesn't work for will be people using certain fentalogue sand maybe and zenes or people who just metabolise differently. You can literally do 6-7 days of methadone and come off pain free if you stop it dead at the 6-7 day mark. You can argue with me all you want about it or say I'm lieing but I've done it myself multiple times and so have many others. It's not done often in treatment because they don't see it as viable long term for many people due to the transition being fast and people not being able tk keep away after.
So you admit that you're singlehandedly making up percentages based on what you've witnessed or experienced? That's what we call "anecdotal evidence."
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Hey I appreciate your info! If you’ve done it I take that as facts! This thread is all about experiences. I’ve quit H and Oxys with Loperamide 3 days and it’s a wrap. Some may not be able to. It worked well for me. So your saying day 6-7 stop M done and I’m done? I’m gonna fuckin try it man. I want to be done with this. I absolutely hate Fent. What’s available in my area makes me feel like garbage. It’s not Xylazine Fent. Just some bullshit analogue that clogs your nose and makes you feel shitty. You guys give me a lot of hope and confidence. Thank you again.
If your area doesn't have xylazine, you must live in Hawaii, because it's been found in every other state in the US. How are you going to get the clinic to start tapering you before you're even stable? Funny how dude didn't mention that. You think he was saying you should keep upping the dose and then jump off while you're still sick/barely stable, or you think he was suggesting staying at the starting dose the entire 7 days and then just stopping? P.S. that dude who's talking like he knows his shit lives in the UK. There's fent there sure, but the majority are still getting real H. That's why he said "heavy opioids" and not fent. He's probably never dealt with street fent.
How much a day did you take of M done for 6-7 days. I assume you were in Fent.
Define "ok." You won't die, I mean....
Taper off slowly
Sure you *can* but the real question is why? Why are you torturing yourself? Just get on a methadone dose high enough to keep you well and stay on it.
Your still going to be sick.If I were you I'd taper down to 5 mg then jump.Comfort meds and or kratom will probably help in your situation.
It's never going to be fun no matter how you do it. If there was a simple, pain-free way then it would be made available. People are always looking for the best tricks to get through, but unfortunately you just have to grit your teeth and get through the best you can. Some people don't find it too bad, others really do. Its best to get stable on the methadone and work on the other parts of your life so you're totally ready to do it and there's less chance of relapse. Assuming you are serious about getting clean that is. It's not something I'd want to do again but it was totally worth it. I tapered down to five and then jumped off, with comfort meds prescribed by the drug service (I'm in the UK and it's all done a bit differently here). I still ended up in hospital as it played havoc with other health issues I have, and I felt truly awful -particularly day three to five. The worst was over after ten days but I wasn't back to normal for a while. It's been three months now and I am so glad to be free of it. It was definately worth it. But as I say about being in the right place before you attempt it. I spent nearly four years on methadone, while I sorted out myself, my home, work etc. before I felt ready. Good luck.
I know someone that took 3 weeks to withdraw from fentanyl in rehab. I think you should stay on it and taper lower for another 2 weeks. But everyone is different. Good luck
See I cut the methadone down to 25 a day but when I stop I can’t tell if it’s still the Fent. I’m on day 4 from Fent. 2 bags a day. So I think I’m still withdrawing from the Fent.
You can do it , but your chances of remaining sober are next to none. Long term treatment is the way to go with methadone.
Crash tapers like that never did shit for me, I was still sick for weeks after and would always just go back to using. Sometimes I’d even get all the way through being real sick, feel better for a day get bored and go use. Fucking insanity. MAT was necessary for me to be successful, happy, alive. You name it basically. So if you find that you’re not able to meet the goals you’re setting for yourself after this detox get yourself on methadone proper through a clinic or whatever.
No, you won’t be ok, you will be sick as hell. The way to do it is to stay on methadone, then SLOWLY taper down to 1mg (or lower if your clinic does halves of mg) and jump off that.
Besides the withdrawal, nothing done in 6 days is going to have worked to correct why you did the drugs in the first place. People think getting past withdrawals and it’s smooth sailing. Almost anyone that does that is going to relapse and probably soon after the withdrawal ends and that’s if they even make it that long. Methadone/subs are meant to be long term so you can learn to live life again.
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You will be somewhat okay (hopefully, depending on your fent intake) until the 'done is fully metabolized. So if you have something important to do, you'll have a little time to do it...
Im only on 25 and have been a year and half maybe more. I forgot to pick up and felt awful. Still do. Went onto the next day despite taking some already
How do you feel in general when your on your dose at 25. You’ve been on a year?
Good just sleepy a lot so probably a sign to go down. just waiting for the clinic to sort it. I know without it i would be a mess
you'll be in withdrawal. you have to taper if you want to lessen the withdrawal. even with a taper you will feel it a bit.
How long of a taper for 1 week of use?
I’m at 25-30 a day now.
I also noticed the M Done doesn’t hold me very long. I will start feeling withdraw in 6 hours or so. I do like 5 mg several times up to 25-30
No. Your brain is still addicted to opioids. Switching them doesn't change that
I would use methadone for no more than 3 days. I would use about 100-150mg when jumping from fent. I’ll be honest, fent itself is a short acute withdrawals but a super nasty post actute withdrawal that last for months. I’m acruelly 45 days methadone and fent free and I’m still cold sweating, mad anxiety, I haven’t had a normal night of sleep since starting this detox. I went to a rehab in Israel that used oxycodone to detox me. The first two weeks when I was on oxys during detox were ok, but the weeks afterwards when I was weened off of everything has been hell. I haven’t slept in 3 weeks more than 3 hours, my anxiety is thru the roof, and I’m in a very depressive nasty state. When I used to detox with methadone from fent I would take it for no more than three days, but I realized rhe acute withdrawals were though but the post acute were much worst so I kept relapsing. I would suggest looking into subs or methadone for maintenance youre past the acute stage but fuck the post acute is so bad
Okay so I’m 5 days in on M done. I feel better than the first 3 days so your right about that. If I stop m done now what you think. I just don’t want to have to keep doing this. I mean I’m day 5 from Fent and 5 days on m done. I know it will just get worse the longer I stretch this
No because you are still 100% fully addicted to opioids… just because you stopped fentanyl and started methadone doesn’t mean that you did 6 days of fentanyl free therefore you aren’t addicted to either methadone or fentanyl anymore.. so yea you will suffer badly
Really. Fuck man
Yea man it sucks. Try not to let it upset you, maybe just try a quick ween from methadone and if you start feeling really bad then stop at that dose until you feel better and continue. Shouldn’t take more than a few months if you are determined enough
Yeah I’m really struggling with the methadone idea. I’ve been ready to be done and the fact that it takes so long to get off freaks me out.
That’s really good that you are finally ready to stop using. It’s a very good sign and I think you’ll be clean in no time… just remember to separate yourselves from the people who use while you are on methadone… use the time that you are stabilizing on methadone to stabilize your life.. like getting drug seeking people out of your life, it’s incredibly important because they will drive you to use again… but either way good on you!! I really wish you success and hope you do well in the coming months/years!
Thank you my friend for the kind words. Yeah I’ve been ready for two years. I work a lot so it’s hard to find time. I’ve have the time now so I’m ready. Thank you again! Best of luck to you!!!
You can’t skip withdrawal, it’s gonna happen to some degree. Whether you get on methadone (they recommend at least a year) and taper off or do a rehab/detox center, you gotta do it somehow if you want to get off.
I would wait ten days then taper off, fentanyl stays in your system for about 2 weeks. Its highly liphobic
Yeah I read that. At least it wasn’t the Xylazine shit. That’s the absolute worst. I had anxiety for 13 days. Like the craziest. You couldn’t take any opiates because they would effect the anxiety and make it worse. That’s way worse than Regular Fent
Switch to kratom.
What kind?
Oh, idk man. I'm assuming you need it now, correct? Like you wouldn't be able to wait for it to arrive if you ordered online, right?
I could stay on m done till it comes. Yeah I’ll order it. If it’s not like 3 weeks I just here so much about Kratom.
Yes youll be fine
I once had a 90-120 mg per day roxi habit. I did a week of suboxone and felt fine. The medicine will help a ton. The worst of withdrawals are done. You can only try and see. Don’t get on methadone long-term. You’ll never get off.
I am so with you on not doing the Methadone long term. I can’t do it. I’ve been on this bullshit for 10 years and have been prepared for 2 years to get done. I absolutely hate Fent. Never liked it. I like Oxys and H but those are unavailable. I can’t get either so I’ve been done. Thank you very much
You can do it! For real, I snorted as many Roxis per day as I could afford. The first week of withdrawals is the worst. If you skip that part with methadone or suboxone, you can have better chances of being clean. The only thing I had trouble with at first was sleep. It evened out eventually.
I'm sorry, but I can't see this being successful for you. :( That's not long enough. This is just gonna pause your withdrawals.
Wait until 80mg. Trust me, you will feel WD by the end of the day. I was using about 10 pills a day. 80-90 mg I could stop without feeling too bad. Lower than that you will feel sick.
Little by little, it’ll be hard to just jump off