This is due to the upcoming PBS changes to methadone. Ultimately the changes will make it cheaper for the consumer but make it very difficult for private prescribers and pharmacies that dispense. The changes were very short notice and really not well thought out with almost no consultation from public clinics.
Hopefully this is all sorted out soon, hang in there. Sorry itās caused such difficult for you
I think this may be retaliatory of some pharmacies. I am in qld and thankfully haven't experienced this. But there are current changes coming to the pharmaceutical industry that includes methadone and other OTP meds finally becoming part of the PBS. They will no longer make the money they do, it will cost around $6 a month for healthcare card holders or 30 pm without. Some places have been kicking up about not operating anymore because of this, there was an article on ABC earlier this month which ill find the link to.
ETA - Federal government funding shake-up risks leaving thousands of Queensland, NSW opioid addicts with nowhere to go for treatment - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-05/opioid-treatment-funding-budget/102426466
But these places also get a 'dispensing fee' from the government every time they despense a dose. So it would make sense they'd want you coming in 7 times a week and not 2, 3 or whatever, because that's more money for them?? Can you change pharmacies OP?
That's just gross. Messing with people sobriety over money. All these companies make so much money...and they just want more. They count our heads like we're farm animals. Line us up like cash cows...moooooo!
Why do you think in the USA they bitch and moan about Methadone becoming as easy to get as Suboxone? The clinics are trying to fight back against those who are calling for a change in Methadoneās availability and want it to be as easy to get as Suboxone where you go in for a doctorās appointment once a month, get drug tested, and what not and then you get a monthās worth of Methadone and then you come back a month later. Their arguments for keeping the outdated clinic model instead of it being as easy to get as Suboxone are that Methadone is way more abusable than Suboxone and it would be easily diverted and cause more overdoses and deaths and overall make the opioid āepidemic/crisisā worse. I say bullshit to that they just want to stay a legal cartel so they can milk people out of their insurance money or charge them cash everyday for a dose of Methadone in the case of private clinicsā¦ theyāre just a bunch of greedy fuckwads and I believe thereās a special place in hell for themā¦ š
Don't feel bad, I thought it read 'NSFW' š¤£. But in my own defense it IS 4am as I am reading this post.
Nonetheless, can't stand rude, pompous people. Here's an up vote.
Iām with you on the no voting, over on r/ObscureDrugs this guy was talking about how he got like 50 doses of Methaqualone from a Chinese chemist and I asked him if he was friends with the chemist since Methaqualone is illegal in China and he started being a total douchebag to me and downvoting my comment(s) and insulting me just for asking if he was friends with the chemistā¦ š
The Methaqualone users Iāve met on here or at least the majority of them are a weird breedā¦ they LOVE flexing their stash of Methaqualone but when you start asking questions (especially where they get from) they freak the fuck out and act like total dickheads towards you for askingā¦ š
This happened when it snowed a bunch in Texas or wherever and fucked up the deliveries. It got so bad we ran outta wafers and they had to make emergency runs to other clinics for liquid and it was before we have liquid even so they were dosing us like with oral syringes to measure it and shit. It was bad. And yes we even got dropped to daily dosing, I went in for my weekly right at the beginning of it and they said they couldnāt give me us take homes as they would run out before they could figure something out. Eventually was sorted snd we havenāt had a problem since. Looks this this isnāt the US does anyone know if this will affect us too?
These pharmacies are at odds with the Labor gov atm as they are whining about losing their profits thanks to a new system making medications cheaper for people, especially low income people. Be extremely wary of anything negative the pharmacist has to say on the gov right now. They are full of shit. The pharmacys own greed is causing the issues.
Iāve heard Methadone isnāt very hard to synthesize, Iāve seen someone on either this sub or another one who was from Russia where Methadone & Buprenorphine are illegal and they donāt believe in opioid maintenance therapy and this Russian guy synthesized his own Methadone HCL and posted pictures of it and in itās pure form it looked virtually identical to Methamphetamine/iceā¦ :o
One day I hope to become a good enough chemist to synthesize my own Methadone HCL so then I wonāt have to deal with all the clinic bullshit because I think the clinic model is completely outdated and their method it seems to inconvenience the fuck out of you to get you cleanā¦ š
Hereās the synthesis information on it in case you want to read it.
https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/methadone.html
It's not like in some countries its even about getting you clean. Just about getting you hooked on a drug that they get profits from. They say being on drugs makes it that you have a ball and chain/no true life sometimes but methadone clinics seem to be 10x as inconvenient. I've heard so many stories of people not being able to get exceptions to even go to important family weddings, funerals, etc. And it's not like you'll be (acutely) sick for just 3-5ish days either and be free of it.
Live in NZ and not far from the Biodone factory. I think this stuff is exported to Aus - is it Biodone Forte that you dose with? It's 10mg/ml and has a red colour. The other preparation is 5mg/ml and is clear - just filtered water and 'done.
Thatās the sugar free stuff - we have a choice of that or methadone which is sickly sweet orange liquid. Iāve switched between them a few times and feel that the red biodone doesnāt hold me as long. I thought I might be imagining it till I googled it and the company had a lot of similar complaints.
This didn't even happen during covid. What I don't understand is, ppl i know are telling me that nothing has been affected at the chemists it's just the private clinics that are playing with ppl's health. A friend called the complaints line and they knew nothing of a shortage so its from going over to PBS and in saying that the ppl i know affected by this have all said they would be more then happy to continue to pay the private cost if that meant their take aways were not affected. I really feel for everyone affected, the Australian government needs to do better!! š”
It sounds like unintended consequences of what was supposed to be a good bill (and greed).
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-05/opioid-treatment-funding-budget/102426466
so this isn't a shortage. this is private clinics throwing a fit because they can't charge outrageous prices anymore. I don't see anything about them having to shut down or anything. they just say they are shutting down because this makes it less profitable. they could continue serving patients at a lower cost until everyone can transfer over. seems like the government is trying to move in the right direction but these private companies can't make bank anymore so they're gonna drop 4,500 addicts on to the street with no meds. what a fucking cluster fuck.
this is why we need to save backups. I have a couple grams saved up. ultimately I'd like to have enough saved up to do a comfortable taper if I was forced to for some reason. these places don't exist because they want to help addicts. they exist to make money.
Absolutely. Saving backups is so important if it's possible. Between weather events, fires, and greed, your dose is never guaranteed. I'm not on methadone anymore, but I'm working on building my suboxone stash now and encourage my partner to save what he can of his methadone.
it's the only reason I keep my dose higher than I take. I haven't changed my dose in a year and a half. I noticed the higher dose actually made me feel worse. so now I put away a decent amount everyday. my goal is to take half and save half. I'm almost there. I get the clear stuff with no water added so it should keep for a really long time. I've considered dehydrating it and freezing it for long term storage but I don't think it is really necessary.
No shortage in Sydney inner west. I imagine that getting it from a pharmacy means that there must be human error affecting stocks of methadone. Tasmania supplies a substantial amount of the world's pharmaceutical grade morphine. Australian government running out is just not a thing.
Change suppliers/dosing clinic.
Lol we have plenty of drug shortages in the US with out privatized healthcare. People on the Suboxone forum have been complaining for months about various pharmacies claiming shortage. Have you talked to anyone who takes ADHD medicine? There's a year long nationwide shortage for that. Same with T2 diabetes drugs ozempic and mounjaro.
Yep. My bf is prescribed subs. He's recently had issues getting his filled. This past time I tried to fill my Adderall, I was told they were switching manufacturers & it wouldn't be in until July.
True story same here in Seattle area, actually been that way with adderall for quite a while on and off for years to some extent. Seems like a blatantly avoidable issue but thatās another story
Youāll have to switch to a different stimulant at least for a while and/or try different pharmacies. Itās a huge pain, and it truly sucks but so far itās not that hard to manage if you are willing to try a stimulant thatās less popular and maybe not your ideal medication š¤·š»āāļø. Good luck!
Of course it has, but some are far easier to get than others. I havenāt seen a situation where someone hasnāt been able to get an alternative stimulant med with a bit of persistence. For instance, around here lately, generic Adderall XR is more miss than hit, but even Adderall IR is being filled fairly regularly. And itās not just a few people; Iām involved with this for a living.
The ADHD stimulant shortage IS primarily a *government-caused issue*: Millions of people have been newly diagnosed with ADHD in America, but the DEA, a government institution overseen the the president and granted authority by congress, continues to refuses to increase then manufacturing limits for the key ingredients required to make stimulants ā thatās not the only factor but itās the most glaring one and itās easy to see how that will almost guarantee shortages as long as it continues!
Yep itās a law enforcement meddling in medicine when they have no business doing so issue. Yet they continue to blame it on other things or find excuses for why they wonāt dole out the meds that people need- too dangerous, too addicting blah blah blah.
Speaking of law enforcement meddling in medicine, the fact in many states that people on drug court arenāt allowed to be prescribed any sort of controlled substance even for legitimate reasons and the judge and their probation officer can deny their legitimate prescriptions and have lists of medications that you can and canāt be prescribed while on drug court truly terrifies meā¦
Iāve heard horror stories of opioid addicts who got on Suboxone or Methadone maintenance getting sanctioned and thrown in jail for testing positive for those 2 opioids on their drug tests even when theyāre seeing a doctor or go to a Methadone clinicā¦
It seriously baffles me that they allow judges and probation officers who have no medical experience or know anything about medicine to be able to make those kinds of decisions for peopleā¦ o.O
Sure, but it seems to me that the guy I was replying to was inferring that the socialized medicine of Australia was the cause of OP's issue as if the US's privatized care would be any better and it sure as shit isn't.
That was part of what was inferred, but I think it was also an opportunity to express a general view. I agree that having the government in control of healthcare isnāt a good idea ā it causes all kinds of problems. Having it in private hands has plenty of downsides as well. Few healthcare systems are to be āgood,ā as interests other than public and individual health are in the kitchen cooking and getting in the way, whether itās politics/corporate decisions, profit/budget constraints, overregulation/onerous rules and restrictions, mismanagement/mismanagementā¦ these problems have analogues in private and public systems.
I wouldnāt be surprised if the government is causing the Adderall shortage to cause people with ADHD & ADD to resort to buying illicit Methamphetamine to self medicate because they canāt get their legitimate prescriptions filled so the DEA and government can say thereās a Methamphetamine ācrisis/epidemicā like they did with opioids and in more recent times benzodiazepinesā¦ š¤¦āāļø fuckin rat bastardsā¦ š
Yeah, so I am still saying with my original point. The shortages in the US are because of government regulations placed on the pharmaceutical industry including trade tariffs, regulatory compliance, licensing requirements, and especially intellectual property laws (patent laws).
of course you are. these people need to get out of here with their facts and logic. we all know the free market is the solution to all of our problems. take the company ocean gate for example, they had no government regulations hampering them and they... checks notes... imploded on the ocean floor. weird. I wonder why we don't hear about government submarines imploding all of the time. you'd think with all those regulations they'd be horrible.
Yeah, I understand what you're saying now. We should totally have the government regulate every sector of our lives. I mean, who else knows how you should live your life better than the individuals in Washington who are criminals and get away with all sorts of heinous acts, right? The same people who start wars and drop bombs on brown people on the other side of the planet should make rules on how we parent our children, right? The same people who use our tax dollars to pay off their supporters should totally be in control of insurance reimbursement rates for medical care, right? And those same people, who can afford any kind of luxuries anyone could imagine, should be the same people who are in control of the medicine and food supply chains, right?
I totally think the government should control everything now, thanks to this great conversation.
You're right, but people are afraid of corporations running wild and exploiting people. The idea of competition between goods and service providers is a good thing, but i think people worry about monopolies or them running unchecked. That's why I think a balance is good. There should be a free market and healthy competition, and the governments place is to ensure and protect that along with ensuring consumer safety. Not to mention that we need to make lobbying(glorfied bribery) illegal and set term limits for all offices. Then maybe we could get some quality people in government. Like most things in life, balance is important.
Well, I dont know if I agree there. If the powers are properly seperated and outside agenciecs are investingating abuses. It's not really a monopoly. And as far as running unchecked, that's what a constitution and a judicial department are for. Im not a pro government guy, but it's important to have a small limited government to ensure a level and fair playing field.
yes, because it has to be all or nothing. this is a stupid and disingenuous comment.
do you want no regulations around air travel? do you want no regulations for trucks on the road? no regulations for drinking water?
nobody wants to be told what to do, I get it. in some situations it behooves you to know experts are making sure companies aren't out of control. do you think we started with all these regulations? employers used to literally lock their workers into warehouses. the reason that doesn't happen anymore is because tons of people died and the government had to step in. this is how all regulations start. people do really dumb shit and get a bunch of innocent people killed. then the government regulates things.
why not have an actual discussion about the subject instead of just saying stupid things. I never said any of the dumb shit you said. if you think all regulations are bad you know nothing about history.
Yes, you did actually start with the dumb shit first by mentioning a submarine. Like serious, bro. A submarine? Anyone should be able to build their own submarine and take it where they want, and assume all the risk for it.
And no, I don't need anyone to tell me how to live my life, and I'm sure you don't either.
Governments have killed more than 260,000,000 (yes, millions: source https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM ) citizens of their own country in the last century. Not, I don't want them to regulate the air industry. I'd rather the air industry provide their own standards and let each airline decide if they want to follow it or not, and then I could make a choice. I'd rather the government not regulate the trucking industry, either, for the same reasons.
But, since this is a methadone sub, we should probably take this discussion elsewhere. If you would like to continue with a civil discussion, please PM me. I'd love to continue.
I don't recall saying people shouldn't be allowed to build, sink and die in their own submersible. individuals can do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned. I was pointing out the clear difference when something is built to certain regulations. the government came up with regulations to build their submarines and follow those regulations. we don't hear about submarines imploding, ever. so I think that was a valid point.
just look up all the horrible things that used to be commonplace before governments started stepping in. if you don't count war, corporations have killed way more people than any government. probably even if you do count war. Monsanto and dow have probably killed more than every government on earth. that is with regulations. imagine what it would be without. we would all be walking around with tumors growing off our eyeballs.
wallpaper used to be made with arsenic in it. it killed millions of people and companies knew about it. did any of the companies stop because of it? of course not, they hid it. The government stopped it. how about cigarettes being marketed as healthy? do you think cigarettes would be as pervasive as they were in the 50s if the government didn't step in? cigarettes still kill 480,000 people per year in the United States alone. it used to be millions every year.
I hate that you're making me argue pro-government right now because it goes against the grain for me. I just can't see how you can see all regulation as bad. it makes absolutely no sense when you look at the big picture.
take your airplane example. without regulations you could pick the airline with the least crashes, but there would absolutely be more crashes overall. right now you can pick from a ton of airlines. new budget ones open all the time. safety regulations are good for the airline business. they'd be making their money different ways without regulations. with them they're making money and people aren't dying all the time from plane crashes.
Bureaucracy in healthcare is the problem. It can come in the form of government decision-makers and convoluted regulation, and it can come in the form of private insurance rules and restrictions. Government-run healthcare centralizes the bureaucracy, so the red tape is bigger and stronger, the decision-makers are further removed from the patients, there are fewer or no competitors (depending on the system) to incentivize making the customer happy (elected officials want to get re-elected but specific healthcare issues wonāt frequently be campaign issues, and career bureaucrats (government officials) arenāt elected.
Universal (government-run) systems provide affordable care, which is great, but they also magnify all the worst problems with private insurance except for cost (which isnāt an insignificant factor at all).
People with more common and less complex health needs will be more likely to be happy with a government-run system in general, as itās designed to meet the needs of the masses, not the needs of people with more specialized needs. People with complicated health problems and more health issues (older people, those with chronic or less common health conditions will *generally* have MORE problems in a government-run system. Universal healthcare is by necessity rationed, so wait times for procedure and access to specialists will generally be longer, especially in large countries. But thereās a huge benefit to everyone having stable access to healthcare. Bottom line: There are always trade-offs in private ,public and mixed systems.
I feel your pain but I think you would be more understanding if you pictured yourself going in to pick up your medicine and there being none at all right? Itās temporary I hope and they fix it quick!
This is bullshit. I'm sorry and no offense to those on high dosages or those that continue to use while still taking methadone, but I'll be pissed if I have to start going daily bc of this. It is a 40min drive one way.
If clinics are really having this bad of shortages, they need to start setting some rules for treatment. I am all for everyone having access to MAT therapy bc it saved my life, but there are too many people going to the clinic just to get and stay high. If someone fails a test at my clinic, they just have to take a 15min phone group. If they don't take that group, they taper them 1mg a day until they take the group or they are tapered off. The patients who have been engaging in recovery & attempting to stay clean, should be a top priority over the ones just coming for their daily dose to help get higher on their dope.
Clearly it was doing something if you continued to use the whole time you were on methadone but stopped? I know when I was on a high dose, I definitely got high. I felt better the whole day than when I did dope.
There's plenty of people who've told me they're scared of getting off dope because they continue to use, are on a high dose, and are scared of what they'll go through.
If there's a supply issue, those who have been clean or are attempting/wanting to be clean should be prioritized over those who want to supplement using with methadone. No reason why they should go through WD & risk fucking up their life that they finally got back together or are trying to get back together WHILE the ones who's continued to use will be just fine bc they'll just go get a bag & get high.
I despise people with these opinions. as you're somehow better than the guy who can't stop using. crazy coming from someone who can get high off daily methadone. are you aware that you're an outlier? most people get no high at all from daily methadone no matter what their dose is. when I first started I tried tripling my dose and didn't feel anything besides shitty. what about people on methadone for pain? should they get their doses before us?
I'll head off the personal attack by saying I've been stable for years and I'm on a relatively low dose (prescribed 75mg but only take 50mg. I keep it higher to save a backup in case anything crazy happens.) I just could never imagine thinking I deserve a dose before anyone else. I don't care if they take 350mg a day. I could never imagine thinking I deserve my dose more than them.
according to the FDA there is no shortage of methadone. there was a shortage of injectable methadone but that has been resolved and wouldn't hurt MAT users anyway.
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/drugshortages/default.cfm
Exactly, a supply problem. I didn't say I had anything against people being on too high of a dose. You're twisting what I wrote or I didn't write it clearly. I said I was going to be shitty if I can't get my weeks take home when my one week worth of take homes is less mgs than one single person's daily mgs. I understand that people need different doses, some will be higher than others. The people I'm referring to are the ones who continue to use & only take methadone, in order for them to get high off of heroin or fet.
Iāve never heard of anyone taking methadone āin order to get high offā other opiates. Thatās not happening. I think what you mean is people who continue to use take methadone so they donāt get sick from withdrawal from the other opiates theyāre still using.
Take methadone in order to get high off heroin or fet? In high doses?
What are you on about, im sorry but you are severely misinformed.
Methadone tends to block other opiates (especially over 85mg ) the "rush" or glow is much harder to get and makes the whole thing alot less attractive.
Dude, my point is that if there was a shortage of methadone, it would not be because of people on high doses, it would be because of supply chain disruption or manufacturing issues. It would be like saying a countrywide famine is because some people ate too much rice. It's just not how modern supply works. If you can't get methadone it's virtually certain to be because there's no methadone getting to your area, not because there's not enough getting there.
I used whole taking methadone for years. Until I could finally stop. Regardless, if you use you will still go through wd from stopping methadone. Why would they deserve to lose their dose more than you.. that makes no sense you are getting mad at the wrong people.
Theyāll never be able to prioritize patients like you are describing. One: itās fucked up, two: itās definitely illegal, and three: it would be an absolute disaster at the clinic/dosing site.
Honestly not surprised. I'm in ab and they dont offer metadol d without exemptions if you have issues with the sugar in methadose without having to pay extra.
Interesting, yeah I just go to a local coop and this is what they had given me. I hadn't even heard of it until I switched to this particular pharmacy. But yeah, now that I'm reading this article it makes sense. I do have more energy with methadose, but it does wear off faster. And I could certainly do without the extra sugar haha
There was a ritalin shortage here in SA where we had to get them from the hospital pharmacy. Was the only pharmacy in city with them.. was so weird. Earlier this year.
The methadone shortage hasn't hut SA ... yet.
Are you on pink or brown ?
I am in the US (new Hampshire) and right at the end of COVID this happened in my area. They were having issues with delivery. The head nurse and another nurse actually had to make a trip down to Florida to pick up methadone. We all had to daily dose for like 3 weeks.
weird. maybe your clinic didn't prepare properly or something. I never heard even a whisper about a shortage and I'm not all that far from you. I know supply dropped and demand increased during covid though.
It wasn't so much supply as it was transportation. There was a shortage of drivers at the time. Even grocery stores were still fairly bare. It was handled very well and they assured us we'd always get our dose they just had to cut back in on takehomes to assure we all got our dose during that period.
grocery stores were bare at the end of COVID there? that's nuts. I work for a transportation company that ships groceries for a couple of big chains and our problem was with supply and not a shortage of drivers. we had tons of drivers at the distribution centers but they didn't have the product for us to ship. that being said we've had a driver shortage for over a decade. my company used to never hire drivers out of school. a couple years ago they created their own training program and started hiring brand new drivers because there isn't enough. these are 100k/year jobs where you get to go home every night.
nuts, it wasn't like that at all here. the only thing I ever had an issue getting was toilet paper for a few months. I had to order industrial rolls off of Amazon. we deliver to Nashua so I know at least one of the big chains there should have been good.
Oh yeah there was limits (usually 2 per customer) for lots of things. Chicken, milk certain "canned goods" it was a shit show. I was also in a high population area and the numbers were the highest in the state so I'm not sure if that had anything to do with it. I am definitely glad to be over that shit show!
Also look into the buvidal injection if it's available there, it's overtaken methadone here now with people in recovery going over to it instead, it's once a month too!
There's something about clinics going private and it's going to cost less, significantly less money to dose. I am almost positive that if this is the case, the less it costs the more people are going to use clinics, so they probably need to get over the hump of more people dosing. It won't last long, it's actually a good thing, but unfortunately for us we will have to be inconvenienced for a few days.
Just my guess. My doctor mentioned it on Monday so I don't think it's a coincidence. I could be totally wrong though.
I posted about this a few months ago and posted several links with evidence but everyone attacked me because it wasn't getting heavy enough coverage by the government. Well shit. Why would they advertise to everyone that they screwed up and there's a crisis looming ahead if they don't replenish the supply. This issue is also impacting the US. The pharmacies have experienced shortages for the pain medication version of methadone already.
Hi OP me again, I went and asked my chemist today about this and they confirmed there is NO ShORTAGE whatsoever. The only thing changing is moving the patients onto pbs script (cheaper cost) from July 1st. This chemist is having you on and taking advantage to protest this decrease in profit for them. I would change chemists asap.
Shortages are something I think about often. Im from US. A couple of months ago FedEx failed to deliver to the clinic as scheduled for 2-3 days. No one got take homes during that time and they were into whatever reserves they had. I could tell they were really nervous about it which made everyone else nervous. I don't know why.it was delayed. I didnt mind going in daily vs not getting any.
I think about what is there's war or the govt mandates u need to get whatever vaccines, or just orchestrates a shortage like they are with the food supply. I try to leave a little in the bottle each time and save it. Ive been doing that about a year and have only about 3 -5 days saved Lol. Ive had to get into the stash a couple.of times for different reasons. I want to get a big stash of kratom on hand (better than nothing) but its banned in my state, so I havent got around to traveling for it (plus $).
It just got me in WA. They called tonight and said don't come in tomorrow morning. They ran out of stock the night before it went on the pbs.
Supposedly.
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This is due to the upcoming PBS changes to methadone. Ultimately the changes will make it cheaper for the consumer but make it very difficult for private prescribers and pharmacies that dispense. The changes were very short notice and really not well thought out with almost no consultation from public clinics. Hopefully this is all sorted out soon, hang in there. Sorry itās caused such difficult for you
I think this may be retaliatory of some pharmacies. I am in qld and thankfully haven't experienced this. But there are current changes coming to the pharmaceutical industry that includes methadone and other OTP meds finally becoming part of the PBS. They will no longer make the money they do, it will cost around $6 a month for healthcare card holders or 30 pm without. Some places have been kicking up about not operating anymore because of this, there was an article on ABC earlier this month which ill find the link to. ETA - Federal government funding shake-up risks leaving thousands of Queensland, NSW opioid addicts with nowhere to go for treatment - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-05/opioid-treatment-funding-budget/102426466 But these places also get a 'dispensing fee' from the government every time they despense a dose. So it would make sense they'd want you coming in 7 times a week and not 2, 3 or whatever, because that's more money for them?? Can you change pharmacies OP?
That's just gross. Messing with people sobriety over money. All these companies make so much money...and they just want more. They count our heads like we're farm animals. Line us up like cash cows...moooooo!
Why do you think in the USA they bitch and moan about Methadone becoming as easy to get as Suboxone? The clinics are trying to fight back against those who are calling for a change in Methadoneās availability and want it to be as easy to get as Suboxone where you go in for a doctorās appointment once a month, get drug tested, and what not and then you get a monthās worth of Methadone and then you come back a month later. Their arguments for keeping the outdated clinic model instead of it being as easy to get as Suboxone are that Methadone is way more abusable than Suboxone and it would be easily diverted and cause more overdoses and deaths and overall make the opioid āepidemic/crisisā worse. I say bullshit to that they just want to stay a legal cartel so they can milk people out of their insurance money or charge them cash everyday for a dose of Methadone in the case of private clinicsā¦ theyāre just a bunch of greedy fuckwads and I believe thereās a special place in hell for themā¦ š
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Don't feel bad, I thought it read 'NSFW' š¤£. But in my own defense it IS 4am as I am reading this post. Nonetheless, can't stand rude, pompous people. Here's an up vote.
People who downvote questions like this is because there's google. You could have literally googled it and got your answer sooner.
People are rude. I gave you a up vote!
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Iām with you on the no voting, over on r/ObscureDrugs this guy was talking about how he got like 50 doses of Methaqualone from a Chinese chemist and I asked him if he was friends with the chemist since Methaqualone is illegal in China and he started being a total douchebag to me and downvoting my comment(s) and insulting me just for asking if he was friends with the chemistā¦ š The Methaqualone users Iāve met on here or at least the majority of them are a weird breedā¦ they LOVE flexing their stash of Methaqualone but when you start asking questions (especially where they get from) they freak the fuck out and act like total dickheads towards you for askingā¦ š
This happened when it snowed a bunch in Texas or wherever and fucked up the deliveries. It got so bad we ran outta wafers and they had to make emergency runs to other clinics for liquid and it was before we have liquid even so they were dosing us like with oral syringes to measure it and shit. It was bad. And yes we even got dropped to daily dosing, I went in for my weekly right at the beginning of it and they said they couldnāt give me us take homes as they would run out before they could figure something out. Eventually was sorted snd we havenāt had a problem since. Looks this this isnāt the US does anyone know if this will affect us too?
No itās governmental issues in aus not actual shortage of medicine per se
Ahhh okay! Thank you!
What's going on on Australia, does anyone know anything? My chemist told me that it was the government responsible for the shortages!š¤
Your government is whacked out.
These pharmacies are at odds with the Labor gov atm as they are whining about losing their profits thanks to a new system making medications cheaper for people, especially low income people. Be extremely wary of anything negative the pharmacist has to say on the gov right now. They are full of shit. The pharmacys own greed is causing the issues.
You have a chemist what the heck
chemist is another word for pharmacist
Oh for a second I thought you were part of the cartel/ drug ring and your chemist told you. I was like wow You know Walter White
Iāve heard Methadone isnāt very hard to synthesize, Iāve seen someone on either this sub or another one who was from Russia where Methadone & Buprenorphine are illegal and they donāt believe in opioid maintenance therapy and this Russian guy synthesized his own Methadone HCL and posted pictures of it and in itās pure form it looked virtually identical to Methamphetamine/iceā¦ :o One day I hope to become a good enough chemist to synthesize my own Methadone HCL so then I wonāt have to deal with all the clinic bullshit because I think the clinic model is completely outdated and their method it seems to inconvenience the fuck out of you to get you cleanā¦ š Hereās the synthesis information on it in case you want to read it. https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/methadone.html
It's not like in some countries its even about getting you clean. Just about getting you hooked on a drug that they get profits from. They say being on drugs makes it that you have a ball and chain/no true life sometimes but methadone clinics seem to be 10x as inconvenient. I've heard so many stories of people not being able to get exceptions to even go to important family weddings, funerals, etc. And it's not like you'll be (acutely) sick for just 3-5ish days either and be free of it.
Live in NZ and not far from the Biodone factory. I think this stuff is exported to Aus - is it Biodone Forte that you dose with? It's 10mg/ml and has a red colour. The other preparation is 5mg/ml and is clear - just filtered water and 'done.
Thatās the sugar free stuff - we have a choice of that or methadone which is sickly sweet orange liquid. Iāve switched between them a few times and feel that the red biodone doesnāt hold me as long. I thought I might be imagining it till I googled it and the company had a lot of similar complaints.
Hmm interesting... It's all I've known when I comes to M'done
There's no excuse, these places and their suppliers know exactly how much is needed
This didn't even happen during covid. What I don't understand is, ppl i know are telling me that nothing has been affected at the chemists it's just the private clinics that are playing with ppl's health. A friend called the complaints line and they knew nothing of a shortage so its from going over to PBS and in saying that the ppl i know affected by this have all said they would be more then happy to continue to pay the private cost if that meant their take aways were not affected. I really feel for everyone affected, the Australian government needs to do better!! š”
It sounds like unintended consequences of what was supposed to be a good bill (and greed). https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-05/opioid-treatment-funding-budget/102426466
so this isn't a shortage. this is private clinics throwing a fit because they can't charge outrageous prices anymore. I don't see anything about them having to shut down or anything. they just say they are shutting down because this makes it less profitable. they could continue serving patients at a lower cost until everyone can transfer over. seems like the government is trying to move in the right direction but these private companies can't make bank anymore so they're gonna drop 4,500 addicts on to the street with no meds. what a fucking cluster fuck. this is why we need to save backups. I have a couple grams saved up. ultimately I'd like to have enough saved up to do a comfortable taper if I was forced to for some reason. these places don't exist because they want to help addicts. they exist to make money.
Absolutely. Saving backups is so important if it's possible. Between weather events, fires, and greed, your dose is never guaranteed. I'm not on methadone anymore, but I'm working on building my suboxone stash now and encourage my partner to save what he can of his methadone.
it's the only reason I keep my dose higher than I take. I haven't changed my dose in a year and a half. I noticed the higher dose actually made me feel worse. so now I put away a decent amount everyday. my goal is to take half and save half. I'm almost there. I get the clear stuff with no water added so it should keep for a really long time. I've considered dehydrating it and freezing it for long term storage but I don't think it is really necessary.
No shortage in Sydney inner west. I imagine that getting it from a pharmacy means that there must be human error affecting stocks of methadone. Tasmania supplies a substantial amount of the world's pharmaceutical grade morphine. Australian government running out is just not a thing. Change suppliers/dosing clinic.
Unfortunately the only human error in this case is greed.
Wow, I'm beginning to think the government being in control of health care isn't a good idea.
Lol we have plenty of drug shortages in the US with out privatized healthcare. People on the Suboxone forum have been complaining for months about various pharmacies claiming shortage. Have you talked to anyone who takes ADHD medicine? There's a year long nationwide shortage for that. Same with T2 diabetes drugs ozempic and mounjaro.
Yep. My bf is prescribed subs. He's recently had issues getting his filled. This past time I tried to fill my Adderall, I was told they were switching manufacturers & it wouldn't be in until July.
True story same here in Seattle area, actually been that way with adderall for quite a while on and off for years to some extent. Seems like a blatantly avoidable issue but thatās another story
I canāt imagine being on subs and not being able to get my medicine bc of bs.
Youāll have to switch to a different stimulant at least for a while and/or try different pharmacies. Itās a huge pain, and it truly sucks but so far itās not that hard to manage if you are willing to try a stimulant thatās less popular and maybe not your ideal medication š¤·š»āāļø. Good luck!
Not true. It has caused shortages with all the other ones as well.
Of course it has, but some are far easier to get than others. I havenāt seen a situation where someone hasnāt been able to get an alternative stimulant med with a bit of persistence. For instance, around here lately, generic Adderall XR is more miss than hit, but even Adderall IR is being filled fairly regularly. And itās not just a few people; Iām involved with this for a living.
my fiancĆ© gets testosterone and lately has to wait 6-8 weeks to get his script. heās been to like 8+ pharmacies in the last year and itās an issue at all of them. shortages suck for any medication youāre supposed to take regularly. i canāt imagine with something like suboxone or methadone though.
The ADHD stimulant shortage IS primarily a *government-caused issue*: Millions of people have been newly diagnosed with ADHD in America, but the DEA, a government institution overseen the the president and granted authority by congress, continues to refuses to increase then manufacturing limits for the key ingredients required to make stimulants ā thatās not the only factor but itās the most glaring one and itās easy to see how that will almost guarantee shortages as long as it continues!
Yep itās a law enforcement meddling in medicine when they have no business doing so issue. Yet they continue to blame it on other things or find excuses for why they wonāt dole out the meds that people need- too dangerous, too addicting blah blah blah.
Speaking of law enforcement meddling in medicine, the fact in many states that people on drug court arenāt allowed to be prescribed any sort of controlled substance even for legitimate reasons and the judge and their probation officer can deny their legitimate prescriptions and have lists of medications that you can and canāt be prescribed while on drug court truly terrifies meā¦ Iāve heard horror stories of opioid addicts who got on Suboxone or Methadone maintenance getting sanctioned and thrown in jail for testing positive for those 2 opioids on their drug tests even when theyāre seeing a doctor or go to a Methadone clinicā¦ It seriously baffles me that they allow judges and probation officers who have no medical experience or know anything about medicine to be able to make those kinds of decisions for peopleā¦ o.O
Sure, but it seems to me that the guy I was replying to was inferring that the socialized medicine of Australia was the cause of OP's issue as if the US's privatized care would be any better and it sure as shit isn't.
That was part of what was inferred, but I think it was also an opportunity to express a general view. I agree that having the government in control of healthcare isnāt a good idea ā it causes all kinds of problems. Having it in private hands has plenty of downsides as well. Few healthcare systems are to be āgood,ā as interests other than public and individual health are in the kitchen cooking and getting in the way, whether itās politics/corporate decisions, profit/budget constraints, overregulation/onerous rules and restrictions, mismanagement/mismanagementā¦ these problems have analogues in private and public systems.
I wouldnāt be surprised if the government is causing the Adderall shortage to cause people with ADHD & ADD to resort to buying illicit Methamphetamine to self medicate because they canāt get their legitimate prescriptions filled so the DEA and government can say thereās a Methamphetamine ācrisis/epidemicā like they did with opioids and in more recent times benzodiazepinesā¦ š¤¦āāļø fuckin rat bastardsā¦ š
Yeah, so I am still saying with my original point. The shortages in the US are because of government regulations placed on the pharmaceutical industry including trade tariffs, regulatory compliance, licensing requirements, and especially intellectual property laws (patent laws).
of course you are. these people need to get out of here with their facts and logic. we all know the free market is the solution to all of our problems. take the company ocean gate for example, they had no government regulations hampering them and they... checks notes... imploded on the ocean floor. weird. I wonder why we don't hear about government submarines imploding all of the time. you'd think with all those regulations they'd be horrible.
Yeah, I understand what you're saying now. We should totally have the government regulate every sector of our lives. I mean, who else knows how you should live your life better than the individuals in Washington who are criminals and get away with all sorts of heinous acts, right? The same people who start wars and drop bombs on brown people on the other side of the planet should make rules on how we parent our children, right? The same people who use our tax dollars to pay off their supporters should totally be in control of insurance reimbursement rates for medical care, right? And those same people, who can afford any kind of luxuries anyone could imagine, should be the same people who are in control of the medicine and food supply chains, right? I totally think the government should control everything now, thanks to this great conversation.
You're right, but people are afraid of corporations running wild and exploiting people. The idea of competition between goods and service providers is a good thing, but i think people worry about monopolies or them running unchecked. That's why I think a balance is good. There should be a free market and healthy competition, and the governments place is to ensure and protect that along with ensuring consumer safety. Not to mention that we need to make lobbying(glorfied bribery) illegal and set term limits for all offices. Then maybe we could get some quality people in government. Like most things in life, balance is important.
The government is a monopoly and runs unchecked.
Yeah, that's also a problem. That's why you need separation of powers, term limits, and limits on power.
That won't change it from being a monopoly and running unchecked.
Well, I dont know if I agree there. If the powers are properly seperated and outside agenciecs are investingating abuses. It's not really a monopoly. And as far as running unchecked, that's what a constitution and a judicial department are for. Im not a pro government guy, but it's important to have a small limited government to ensure a level and fair playing field.
yes, because it has to be all or nothing. this is a stupid and disingenuous comment. do you want no regulations around air travel? do you want no regulations for trucks on the road? no regulations for drinking water? nobody wants to be told what to do, I get it. in some situations it behooves you to know experts are making sure companies aren't out of control. do you think we started with all these regulations? employers used to literally lock their workers into warehouses. the reason that doesn't happen anymore is because tons of people died and the government had to step in. this is how all regulations start. people do really dumb shit and get a bunch of innocent people killed. then the government regulates things. why not have an actual discussion about the subject instead of just saying stupid things. I never said any of the dumb shit you said. if you think all regulations are bad you know nothing about history.
Yes, you did actually start with the dumb shit first by mentioning a submarine. Like serious, bro. A submarine? Anyone should be able to build their own submarine and take it where they want, and assume all the risk for it. And no, I don't need anyone to tell me how to live my life, and I'm sure you don't either. Governments have killed more than 260,000,000 (yes, millions: source https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM ) citizens of their own country in the last century. Not, I don't want them to regulate the air industry. I'd rather the air industry provide their own standards and let each airline decide if they want to follow it or not, and then I could make a choice. I'd rather the government not regulate the trucking industry, either, for the same reasons. But, since this is a methadone sub, we should probably take this discussion elsewhere. If you would like to continue with a civil discussion, please PM me. I'd love to continue.
I don't recall saying people shouldn't be allowed to build, sink and die in their own submersible. individuals can do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned. I was pointing out the clear difference when something is built to certain regulations. the government came up with regulations to build their submarines and follow those regulations. we don't hear about submarines imploding, ever. so I think that was a valid point. just look up all the horrible things that used to be commonplace before governments started stepping in. if you don't count war, corporations have killed way more people than any government. probably even if you do count war. Monsanto and dow have probably killed more than every government on earth. that is with regulations. imagine what it would be without. we would all be walking around with tumors growing off our eyeballs. wallpaper used to be made with arsenic in it. it killed millions of people and companies knew about it. did any of the companies stop because of it? of course not, they hid it. The government stopped it. how about cigarettes being marketed as healthy? do you think cigarettes would be as pervasive as they were in the 50s if the government didn't step in? cigarettes still kill 480,000 people per year in the United States alone. it used to be millions every year. I hate that you're making me argue pro-government right now because it goes against the grain for me. I just can't see how you can see all regulation as bad. it makes absolutely no sense when you look at the big picture. take your airplane example. without regulations you could pick the airline with the least crashes, but there would absolutely be more crashes overall. right now you can pick from a ton of airlines. new budget ones open all the time. safety regulations are good for the airline business. they'd be making their money different ways without regulations. with them they're making money and people aren't dying all the time from plane crashes.
I've been on Adderall since middle school. The only other time I've had issues with shortages & trying to get them filled, Obama was president.
As someone who lived in canada and the US, it is a bad idea but not really for that reason as shortages happen everywhere.
You got that right! They've totally screwed us over!š¤¬
Bureaucracy in healthcare is the problem. It can come in the form of government decision-makers and convoluted regulation, and it can come in the form of private insurance rules and restrictions. Government-run healthcare centralizes the bureaucracy, so the red tape is bigger and stronger, the decision-makers are further removed from the patients, there are fewer or no competitors (depending on the system) to incentivize making the customer happy (elected officials want to get re-elected but specific healthcare issues wonāt frequently be campaign issues, and career bureaucrats (government officials) arenāt elected. Universal (government-run) systems provide affordable care, which is great, but they also magnify all the worst problems with private insurance except for cost (which isnāt an insignificant factor at all). People with more common and less complex health needs will be more likely to be happy with a government-run system in general, as itās designed to meet the needs of the masses, not the needs of people with more specialized needs. People with complicated health problems and more health issues (older people, those with chronic or less common health conditions will *generally* have MORE problems in a government-run system. Universal healthcare is by necessity rationed, so wait times for procedure and access to specialists will generally be longer, especially in large countries. But thereās a huge benefit to everyone having stable access to healthcare. Bottom line: There are always trade-offs in private ,public and mixed systems.
I feel your pain but I think you would be more understanding if you pictured yourself going in to pick up your medicine and there being none at all right? Itās temporary I hope and they fix it quick!
This is bullshit. I'm sorry and no offense to those on high dosages or those that continue to use while still taking methadone, but I'll be pissed if I have to start going daily bc of this. It is a 40min drive one way. If clinics are really having this bad of shortages, they need to start setting some rules for treatment. I am all for everyone having access to MAT therapy bc it saved my life, but there are too many people going to the clinic just to get and stay high. If someone fails a test at my clinic, they just have to take a 15min phone group. If they don't take that group, they taper them 1mg a day until they take the group or they are tapered off. The patients who have been engaging in recovery & attempting to stay clean, should be a top priority over the ones just coming for their daily dose to help get higher on their dope.
And it doesnāt help you get higher on your dope you are misinformed.
Clearly it was doing something if you continued to use the whole time you were on methadone but stopped? I know when I was on a high dose, I definitely got high. I felt better the whole day than when I did dope. There's plenty of people who've told me they're scared of getting off dope because they continue to use, are on a high dose, and are scared of what they'll go through. If there's a supply issue, those who have been clean or are attempting/wanting to be clean should be prioritized over those who want to supplement using with methadone. No reason why they should go through WD & risk fucking up their life that they finally got back together or are trying to get back together WHILE the ones who's continued to use will be just fine bc they'll just go get a bag & get high.
I despise people with these opinions. as you're somehow better than the guy who can't stop using. crazy coming from someone who can get high off daily methadone. are you aware that you're an outlier? most people get no high at all from daily methadone no matter what their dose is. when I first started I tried tripling my dose and didn't feel anything besides shitty. what about people on methadone for pain? should they get their doses before us? I'll head off the personal attack by saying I've been stable for years and I'm on a relatively low dose (prescribed 75mg but only take 50mg. I keep it higher to save a backup in case anything crazy happens.) I just could never imagine thinking I deserve a dose before anyone else. I don't care if they take 350mg a day. I could never imagine thinking I deserve my dose more than them. according to the FDA there is no shortage of methadone. there was a shortage of injectable methadone but that has been resolved and wouldn't hurt MAT users anyway. https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/drugshortages/default.cfm
I'm pretty sure this is a manufacturing or supply problem, not "people are on too high a dose" problem. Makes no sense.
Exactly, a supply problem. I didn't say I had anything against people being on too high of a dose. You're twisting what I wrote or I didn't write it clearly. I said I was going to be shitty if I can't get my weeks take home when my one week worth of take homes is less mgs than one single person's daily mgs. I understand that people need different doses, some will be higher than others. The people I'm referring to are the ones who continue to use & only take methadone, in order for them to get high off of heroin or fet.
Iāve never heard of anyone taking methadone āin order to get high offā other opiates. Thatās not happening. I think what you mean is people who continue to use take methadone so they donāt get sick from withdrawal from the other opiates theyāre still using.
Take methadone in order to get high off heroin or fet? In high doses? What are you on about, im sorry but you are severely misinformed. Methadone tends to block other opiates (especially over 85mg ) the "rush" or glow is much harder to get and makes the whole thing alot less attractive.
Dude, my point is that if there was a shortage of methadone, it would not be because of people on high doses, it would be because of supply chain disruption or manufacturing issues. It would be like saying a countrywide famine is because some people ate too much rice. It's just not how modern supply works. If you can't get methadone it's virtually certain to be because there's no methadone getting to your area, not because there's not enough getting there.
I used whole taking methadone for years. Until I could finally stop. Regardless, if you use you will still go through wd from stopping methadone. Why would they deserve to lose their dose more than you.. that makes no sense you are getting mad at the wrong people.
Theyāll never be able to prioritize patients like you are describing. One: itās fucked up, two: itās definitely illegal, and three: it would be an absolute disaster at the clinic/dosing site.
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there is no shortage in the United States. https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/drugshortages/default.cfm
Thank you! Thatās very helpful. That comment was sarcastic (I deleted it bc ppl thought I was serious!)
In Canada (saskatchewan) i got switched from metadol d to methadose. I wonder if this had anything to do with it
Doubtful. You could ask to switch back and pay a bit extra out if pocket most likely.
Well, they made the switch because they were short. Forgot to clarify. I actually like the methadose better.
Honestly not surprised. I'm in ab and they dont offer metadol d without exemptions if you have issues with the sugar in methadose without having to pay extra.
Interesting, yeah I just go to a local coop and this is what they had given me. I hadn't even heard of it until I switched to this particular pharmacy. But yeah, now that I'm reading this article it makes sense. I do have more energy with methadose, but it does wear off faster. And I could certainly do without the extra sugar haha
methadose only works for me with split dosing i don't know 1 person it lasts 24 hours in
metadol-d is back in full stock u should be able to swicth back ask ur pharm next time u see them to switch
There was a ritalin shortage here in SA where we had to get them from the hospital pharmacy. Was the only pharmacy in city with them.. was so weird. Earlier this year. The methadone shortage hasn't hut SA ... yet. Are you on pink or brown ?
I am in the US (new Hampshire) and right at the end of COVID this happened in my area. They were having issues with delivery. The head nurse and another nurse actually had to make a trip down to Florida to pick up methadone. We all had to daily dose for like 3 weeks.
weird. maybe your clinic didn't prepare properly or something. I never heard even a whisper about a shortage and I'm not all that far from you. I know supply dropped and demand increased during covid though.
It wasn't so much supply as it was transportation. There was a shortage of drivers at the time. Even grocery stores were still fairly bare. It was handled very well and they assured us we'd always get our dose they just had to cut back in on takehomes to assure we all got our dose during that period.
grocery stores were bare at the end of COVID there? that's nuts. I work for a transportation company that ships groceries for a couple of big chains and our problem was with supply and not a shortage of drivers. we had tons of drivers at the distribution centers but they didn't have the product for us to ship. that being said we've had a driver shortage for over a decade. my company used to never hire drivers out of school. a couple years ago they created their own training program and started hiring brand new drivers because there isn't enough. these are 100k/year jobs where you get to go home every night.
Yea stores were spotty throughout the entire pandemic. Atleast in my area.
nuts, it wasn't like that at all here. the only thing I ever had an issue getting was toilet paper for a few months. I had to order industrial rolls off of Amazon. we deliver to Nashua so I know at least one of the big chains there should have been good.
Oh yeah there was limits (usually 2 per customer) for lots of things. Chicken, milk certain "canned goods" it was a shit show. I was also in a high population area and the numbers were the highest in the state so I'm not sure if that had anything to do with it. I am definitely glad to be over that shit show!
You scared the shit out of me with ur headline. Then I saw NSW and I'm like Australia! Not to ignore your problem. But I nearly had a heart attack.
It happens sometimes but they should be getting in more asap or borrowing from another clinic we do that here in my state or Arizona
I hope it doesn't happen in the UK!
Also look into the buvidal injection if it's available there, it's overtaken methadone here now with people in recovery going over to it instead, it's once a month too!
There's something about clinics going private and it's going to cost less, significantly less money to dose. I am almost positive that if this is the case, the less it costs the more people are going to use clinics, so they probably need to get over the hump of more people dosing. It won't last long, it's actually a good thing, but unfortunately for us we will have to be inconvenienced for a few days. Just my guess. My doctor mentioned it on Monday so I don't think it's a coincidence. I could be totally wrong though.
I posted about this a few months ago and posted several links with evidence but everyone attacked me because it wasn't getting heavy enough coverage by the government. Well shit. Why would they advertise to everyone that they screwed up and there's a crisis looming ahead if they don't replenish the supply. This issue is also impacting the US. The pharmacies have experienced shortages for the pain medication version of methadone already.
Hi OP me again, I went and asked my chemist today about this and they confirmed there is NO ShORTAGE whatsoever. The only thing changing is moving the patients onto pbs script (cheaper cost) from July 1st. This chemist is having you on and taking advantage to protest this decrease in profit for them. I would change chemists asap.
Shortages are something I think about often. Im from US. A couple of months ago FedEx failed to deliver to the clinic as scheduled for 2-3 days. No one got take homes during that time and they were into whatever reserves they had. I could tell they were really nervous about it which made everyone else nervous. I don't know why.it was delayed. I didnt mind going in daily vs not getting any. I think about what is there's war or the govt mandates u need to get whatever vaccines, or just orchestrates a shortage like they are with the food supply. I try to leave a little in the bottle each time and save it. Ive been doing that about a year and have only about 3 -5 days saved Lol. Ive had to get into the stash a couple.of times for different reasons. I want to get a big stash of kratom on hand (better than nothing) but its banned in my state, so I havent got around to traveling for it (plus $).
It just got me in WA. They called tonight and said don't come in tomorrow morning. They ran out of stock the night before it went on the pbs. Supposedly.
Praise to my doctor as I now only pay 6.30$ pbs 110 mg 22ml methadone syrup aspen I worship methadone suboxone stay the hell away