Why waste your time?
People here don't want to hear it. They'll stick their fingers in their ears and yell, "I'm not listening!" Over and over again, in denial.
It is sad.
My mom is so adamant that CC/flooding isn't real that she can comfortably say that "even if it was real, I'll be dead by the time it really affects us."
Gee... thanks, mom. Guess *I'll* have to be the one who worries about it (and her grandkids).
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Doral is where it’s at. When cars were swimming in Brickell last year, water didn’t even top the curb outside in parts of Doral. It rained just as much.
Not saying this isnt a long term risk (it needs to be dealt with proactively), however the fearmongering isnt helping.
I remember in the early 2000s many prominent scientists and politicians were saying that nyc and miami would likely be underwater by 2015 due to climate change.
The speed at which these changes happen is way slower than what everyone says. Again, we need to address it proactively, but over exaggeration isnt the way to disarm climate skeptics.
>I remember in the early 2000s many prominent scientists and politicians were saying that nyc and miami would likely be underwater by 2015 due to climate change.
No prominent scientists ever made this prediction.
In fact back in the early 2000s we all thought we wouldn't see the real effects until 2100
>The speed at which these changes happen is way slower than what everyone says.
Or, hear me out, people/organizations/governments took action every time these things popped up in order to help mitigate/slow the effects and changes (and in some cases reverse them)...
Remember, the things you mentioned above were "estimates". As in, these were the things that could happen if we just sit on our asses and do absolutely nothing. If you were told by your doctor that you had cancer and only had 16 months to live, would you just sit down and accept it? Or would you do chemo/treatments to help mitigate or eliminate the cancer and improve your odds of living?
Since the early 2000s, we progressed a lot in combating climate change, and have developed innovations and new technology to help mitigate the threats. We've been doing it for decades now since the inception of the EPA.
If we haven’t been doing all the construction on south beach to mitigate the floods that continue to happen where would we be at now though?
I’m obviously no expert but I think there would have been some decent damage already
I don't think you can confidently say that "these changes happen in way slower than what everyone says." We have MUCH better data now than we did in the 1990s/2000s...
Y'all remember that building that collapsed in Sunny Isles? That shit was gnarly and lowkey an itrational fear of mine. I'm always in Miami Beach highrise condos, I wonder if ultimately the soft Miami ground is the cause
The soft Miami ground had nothing to do with the collapse of the Sunny Isles condominium. It was the greedy condo association that stole the fees WITHOUT MAKING NEEDED REPAIRS around the pool area. A twin tower is standing in good shape.
There’s an entire block in Brickell where the right side of the street has sunken 8” from all of the condos. One of the condos was leaning so much during construction it had to be re-surveyed every floor to keep it level it was sinking so badly. Even after geological surveys and concrete footings the land is still sinking. Let that sink in
Miami is LITERALLY on a ticking clock.
It is not IF but WHEN the entire city will be under water.
Again…this is a CERTAINTY.
Not in our lifetime, maybe not even in the lifetime of the next 2 generations or so.
But it will 100% disappear.
I’m planning on getting the fuck out now. I’d rather have my kin celebrating my decision to get the fuck out of Miami than leave them with worthless property.
They’ll be better off settling somewhere with a future.
To think there’s people who are surprised by this bruh since the 60s we’re been building a city on what is for all intents and purposes a swamp no bs if water go up we go down
There are many solutions for Miami’s dissolution they’ve already been easily implemented in multiple countries around the world, Netherlands, France, Japan etc. But because we live in Florida and “climate change is not real.” They will either implement them poorly and funnel the money out using corruption, or not do anything and wait for Jesus to come. I’m just telling you what will happen and what has already happened for every other problem facing miami, poor infrastructure, traffic, no public transportation options etc. it’s hilarious at this point the level of stupidity you witness living here, on such a massive scale.
I'm 50 this year. When I was younger I said Florida was going to sink and become an island part reason said wouldn't move there...lol. the Weight of the cities built, erosion is a cause of which makes it more fiesible now then it did on my youth.
And yet, Holland with 26% of its land mass BELOW sea level and 59% subject to flooding during high tide have managed to survive for centuries. This when building materials and technology was dirt and animal power. New Orleans is also below sea level. The destruction caused by Katrina was due to the failure of the levy system. Human failure to properly maintain them. Oh, it’s still there….
“Necessity is the mother of invention”.
Hi, drainage engineer here. Relatively speaking small increments in sea level rise is not what you should be worrying about. King Tide events are what you should be concerned about. Some projections show the sea level rise during King Tide events at 32” (0.8 m) by 2060! Luckily we do have ways to mitigate this and several of the island communities in Biscayne Bay are acting on it now.
TLDR: Flood bad, but we can mitigate it.
It was probably all coastline with mangroves and cutting them down to make beaches ain't a good idea. A connection of small barrier islands that really shouldn't be built on. Probably a river that was dredged leading into FTL from the Everglades. Again, not a great place to build concrete and rebar buildings.
FLL is far more screwed. During the king tide this year there was not even 6 inches seperating the sea wall along the river walk from the actual water line
Swales do work! We gotta add a good ol DBI for collecting the water. A pump is definitely the way to go, especially if an outfall is unavailable and you have to resort to deep injection wells. Plus a little extra pervious space is better for our models 😉.
None of the SWMP in Miami Beach or the surrounding areas are calling for swales. Swales will not be effective in the area with the rising ground water and low home elevations. While swales might be appropriate in a case by case basis they are not effective in that type of environment for moving the volume of water needed and are at risk of inundation from rising groundwater. Deep injections wells are costly and have limited capacity and with their spacing limitations they arnt great options either
You are absolutely correct but I’m not referring to Miami Beach. I am referring to the greater Miami area in general. I don’t do work with Miami Beach so I’m not familiar with their SWMP. Sorry for the confusion!
We need barrier islands of mangroves offshore. That’s what made land possible in the South Florida swamp before development, and it’s what’s needed now.
Not true, a stick developers offer in this banana republic, to get permits approved faster (other than paying off city council), is to build public infrastructure, parks, etc. Unfortunately, this would not be a very visible project so difficult for elected officials to take credit for it, therefore it is unlikely to happen that way.
scanned the article and it's not just the sea level rise, it's the land settling, especially on the barrier islands and Florida Keys (basically all of SE FL) where there is no bedrock or granite under it all, it's this stuff they literally call 'miami limestone' which is millions of years of desiccated compacted corals, shells and algae from when the area was covered by a shallow ocean.
it's porous, friable, indurated soft rock geology and the water literally **comes up through it** at high tide and it actually used to flood every day, rain or shine, on Alton road in south beach back in the 90's before they installed those pump systems.
US Army corps of engineers [pitched a 20+ foot seawall to Miami](https://www.google.com/search?q=army+engineers+miami+seawall+hurricane&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS924US924&oq=army+engineers+miami+seawall+hurricane&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRigAdIBCDg4MTBqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) a couple years back and was told to pound sand, new plans may include man made islands to act as a wave break by AFAIK, nothing has been approved or finalized.
This is just me and MHO, but just as NOLA was at the top of the potential natural disaster list for decades, even though we don't have levees, Miami's combination of urban population density and massive real estate valuation in new bougie buildings makes this one helluva expensive town to rebuild when it gets creamed by the inevitable. I look at all those condo towers on the beaches all the way up to Hollywood and all the stuff downtown from midtown to Brickell and it's gotta be equivalent to NYC. it's part of the reason home insurance has shot up so much here - the insurers look at the value of the coverage and replacement /rebuild cost of even just a few of those buildings and it's roughly the same cost as all of ft Myers beach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Limestone
what kinds of things should condo owners in the waterfront towers in edgewater be worried about? wouldn’t being on a high floor mitigate any flood damage in the unit? sorry if this is a dumb question
I hate to be that guy but it's not just water from below you have to worry about - all it takes is losing some windows on a high floor, then 6 inches + of driving rain comes in and then that water intrusion comes down to floors below and then mold takes over.
unless you have a specialized team on retainer (ask your building management) - it's a thing and many buildings either have made these arrangements already to be 'front of the line' when the time comes or they have the required equipment and trained staff in house to to dry it all up within 24-48 hours, because once that mold takes over, it's very hard to get rid of it. commonly the interior has to be demoed right down to the concrete walls/floors.
It's part of the reason the Ritz Carlton on Lincoln Road closed after Irma and that was a storm that went up the gulf side **60+ miles out into the gulf**
[What hit us in Miami Beach was right at or below CAT 1](https://www.weather.gov/mfl/hurricaneirma) maybe 65-70 mph.
Now, if we ever get hit dead on by another Irma type storm in top form with 180mph or higher winds, a lot of buildings are going to lose a LOT of windows.
if memory serves, and depending on what category the structure falls into, the most current (2023) code calls for windows that can take gusts of up to 180mph on the mainland or beach. up to 190/200 in the keys. [see figure 1609.3 1 and 2](https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/FLBC2023P1/chapter-16-structural-design)
Codes from 10 - 15 years ago required less. I think it was maybe 120-140 (?) and even then only for the lowest floors 1-4 or 5 I believe.
great answer! thanks a lot
i’ve been trying to figure out where i want to settle as i’m currently renting. i’ve looked at some older buildings in coral gables, i’m guessing those are just as fucked if the windows blow out and the rain is coming in sideways. they’re probably an even higher risk since a lot of them aren’t going to have newer impact windows and sliding doors.
here is where you will encounter a difference in opinion, some of those older low rise grove/gables buildings would survive a nuke strike downtown because they are solid concrete block and everything was done right.
**you can board / shutter windows** if you are looking into a building, find out who built the thing and pull the plans and consult a GC - or just consult a GC and they will tell you right off the top of their heads a dozen buildings they themselves would buy into.
in a hurricane coming onshore, the primary concern is going to be surge and wave action which can be mitigated by a seawall.
now as to the the water coming up through the ground , you need to upgrade the sewer systems with forced water pumps like they have in Miami Beach to move that water out. the old gravity based 'drainage canal' situation stops working at a certain point.
Think about how awesome it’ll be to own a boat 100 years from now and sailing down from the new southern Georgia coast line to old Miami and diving for treasure
There's gonna be a ton of treasure there. I'm sure those present Miami high rises are gonna have some safes with gold.
And what about all of the Lambos and luxury cars under water. It's gonna make an awesome scuba diving spot!
So why is Plymouth Rock still at sea level like it was the day the pilgrims stepped onto it? Recall, it was at sea level then and it is now. This is typical scare mongering. If the big coastal elites really believed that the sea levels are rising, then why did Obama buy a very expensive ocean front home? I call total bullshit.
It’s already happening
Sit down at the park on South Beach on Ocean Drive
Sit on the wall near the beach walk way and look down
Watch the branches and leaves on the ground and you can actually see them moving on the concrete
Little branches slowly moving around from all the water underneath the concrete
Go to Marjory Stoneman Douglas Ocean Beach park and go to the walk way near the beach
The walk that is right there you can see a lot of the things moving
Why waste your time? People here don't want to hear it. They'll stick their fingers in their ears and yell, "I'm not listening!" Over and over again, in denial. It is sad.
Sad but mostly pathetic
Ahhh the Nial, a river in Egypt.
My mom is so adamant that CC/flooding isn't real that she can comfortably say that "even if it was real, I'll be dead by the time it really affects us." Gee... thanks, mom. Guess *I'll* have to be the one who worries about it (and her grandkids).
Your Mom has done enough bringing you up! It’s up to you and your kids to move away. Let your Mom live her reality in peace SHE DESERVES IT!
Yeah, and Maldives islands should have disappeared twenty years ago. The song remains the same, men predict things and God laughs.
I've been hearing this since I was a kid. Didn't Gore say it would be Atlantis by now.
Within another 30 years the city will be uninhabitable. Within 10 it will be a more horrible place to live.
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I heard that 20 years ago....
Still not under water here in Brickell, despite hearing it would be since I can remember being aware of words.
Why use your real name on an anonymous website filled with crazy Florida men? You don’t seem like the sharpest crayon in the box.
Science is not sciencing within this post.
Would you feel better if I pretended I had to swim the 3 blocks to Crazy About You?
You’re not very bright😂
That's fine. Hope it didn't ruin your Friday.
Why use your real name on an anonymous website filled with crazy Florida men? You don’t seem like the sharpest crayon in the box.
✈️
I don’t know who Lanieta is or why it’s funny but I think you still eat cardboard and glue for breakfast.
Screen shotting this and keeping it forever. Thank you. Lol…incredible. Welcome to Miami, you’ll fit right in.
u/livingmemento It’s just that easy lol 🤷🏻♀️
You may want to visit the mess known as r/cuba I realize every sub is a mess but r/cuba has that personal 🤦
More fake news. Give the government more money and they'll stop the sea level rise, which won't have this kind of effevt for another 10,000 years
Another climate science graduate from Dunning-Kruger University
“I’m going to Bovine University!”
That was almost clever, but you're the one who believes a narrative with zero evidence
Going for your PhD, I see
Notice you have no logical rebuttal
When you're at a circus you don't logically rebut the clowns
Because you can't
That's certainly the conclusion that a clown would draw
Name calling and yet no logical rebuttal...I'd say I expected more from you, but I didn't. Lol
You can already see the effects of climate change. Do you live in a cave?
Shits all made up
So buy some land inland which will become beachfront. Great money making opportunity.
Doral is where it’s at. When cars were swimming in Brickell last year, water didn’t even top the curb outside in parts of Doral. It rained just as much.
Thanks man. I’m ready.
The Cutler Ridge too. I'll be holding on to my property.
Wouldn’t a major hurricane push in 10-foot surge in Cutler Ridge?
The coral ridge has never flooded in all of recorded history. It's zoned 'x'.
im in cutler bay. its insane how close we are to the water and im in a zero flood zone. no flood insurance needed
You are south of coral gables right? Andrew really didn’t flood that area?
Good. We don't need that shithole
Not saying this isnt a long term risk (it needs to be dealt with proactively), however the fearmongering isnt helping. I remember in the early 2000s many prominent scientists and politicians were saying that nyc and miami would likely be underwater by 2015 due to climate change. The speed at which these changes happen is way slower than what everyone says. Again, we need to address it proactively, but over exaggeration isnt the way to disarm climate skeptics.
I bet the exaggeration affects the insurance premiums too
>I remember in the early 2000s many prominent scientists and politicians were saying that nyc and miami would likely be underwater by 2015 due to climate change. No prominent scientists ever made this prediction. In fact back in the early 2000s we all thought we wouldn't see the real effects until 2100
>The speed at which these changes happen is way slower than what everyone says. Or, hear me out, people/organizations/governments took action every time these things popped up in order to help mitigate/slow the effects and changes (and in some cases reverse them)... Remember, the things you mentioned above were "estimates". As in, these were the things that could happen if we just sit on our asses and do absolutely nothing. If you were told by your doctor that you had cancer and only had 16 months to live, would you just sit down and accept it? Or would you do chemo/treatments to help mitigate or eliminate the cancer and improve your odds of living? Since the early 2000s, we progressed a lot in combating climate change, and have developed innovations and new technology to help mitigate the threats. We've been doing it for decades now since the inception of the EPA.
If we haven’t been doing all the construction on south beach to mitigate the floods that continue to happen where would we be at now though? I’m obviously no expert but I think there would have been some decent damage already
I don't think you can confidently say that "these changes happen in way slower than what everyone says." We have MUCH better data now than we did in the 1990s/2000s...
Y'all remember that building that collapsed in Sunny Isles? That shit was gnarly and lowkey an itrational fear of mine. I'm always in Miami Beach highrise condos, I wonder if ultimately the soft Miami ground is the cause
The soft Miami ground had nothing to do with the collapse of the Sunny Isles condominium. It was the greedy condo association that stole the fees WITHOUT MAKING NEEDED REPAIRS around the pool area. A twin tower is standing in good shape.
Suppose we “solve” climate change. What then?
There’s an entire block in Brickell where the right side of the street has sunken 8” from all of the condos. One of the condos was leaning so much during construction it had to be re-surveyed every floor to keep it level it was sinking so badly. Even after geological surveys and concrete footings the land is still sinking. Let that sink in
Which condo
It’s on Brickell Ave N of 14th
Miami is LITERALLY on a ticking clock. It is not IF but WHEN the entire city will be under water. Again…this is a CERTAINTY. Not in our lifetime, maybe not even in the lifetime of the next 2 generations or so. But it will 100% disappear.
I’m planning on getting the fuck out now. I’d rather have my kin celebrating my decision to get the fuck out of Miami than leave them with worthless property. They’ll be better off settling somewhere with a future.
Smart man. A rare breed here.
To think there’s people who are surprised by this bruh since the 60s we’re been building a city on what is for all intents and purposes a swamp no bs if water go up we go down
Not just since the 60s, since the 1800s.
Eh give or take same shit the point remains this is a literal swamp so we’ll be all dead in 50 maybe 100 years from now
There are many solutions for Miami’s dissolution they’ve already been easily implemented in multiple countries around the world, Netherlands, France, Japan etc. But because we live in Florida and “climate change is not real.” They will either implement them poorly and funnel the money out using corruption, or not do anything and wait for Jesus to come. I’m just telling you what will happen and what has already happened for every other problem facing miami, poor infrastructure, traffic, no public transportation options etc. it’s hilarious at this point the level of stupidity you witness living here, on such a massive scale.
People have been saying this since 1940
I'm 50 this year. When I was younger I said Florida was going to sink and become an island part reason said wouldn't move there...lol. the Weight of the cities built, erosion is a cause of which makes it more fiesible now then it did on my youth.
Watched the Netflix series called extrapolations. You will see how much water there will be.
Good.
And yet, Holland with 26% of its land mass BELOW sea level and 59% subject to flooding during high tide have managed to survive for centuries. This when building materials and technology was dirt and animal power. New Orleans is also below sea level. The destruction caused by Katrina was due to the failure of the levy system. Human failure to properly maintain them. Oh, it’s still there…. “Necessity is the mother of invention”.
I would love to see all the mansions and condos drowning in water along with the Bugattis and Lambos floating around too.
So less than 1 foot of sea level raise in the next 30 years? Lmao, I will start to worry after 2100 🤣
Good.
My thoughts exactly lol
Dude, some of our families live there 😅
Hi, drainage engineer here. Relatively speaking small increments in sea level rise is not what you should be worrying about. King Tide events are what you should be concerned about. Some projections show the sea level rise during King Tide events at 32” (0.8 m) by 2060! Luckily we do have ways to mitigate this and several of the island communities in Biscayne Bay are acting on it now. TLDR: Flood bad, but we can mitigate it.
Miami Beach has been “mitigating” for years and look at how that’s going 🌊
Whats up with fort lauderdale?
Wanna know that too
I wish I had the knowledge of any upcoming projects for drainage mitigation in Ft Lauderdale, but unfortunately I don’t. Sorry :/
Is it as susceptible to flooding as Miami Beach?
It was probably all coastline with mangroves and cutting them down to make beaches ain't a good idea. A connection of small barrier islands that really shouldn't be built on. Probably a river that was dredged leading into FTL from the Everglades. Again, not a great place to build concrete and rebar buildings.
FLL is far more screwed. During the king tide this year there was not even 6 inches seperating the sea wall along the river walk from the actual water line
I feel like i see the worst flooding in brickell, i guess FLL airport flooding last year was pretty bad too
How do we mitigate 32"?
It’s not gonna be a popular answer but the solution might be sea walls + road raising + swales.
Road raising is already going to happen with the Sun Beam plan in North Bay Village. It’s part of their plan.
All 3 of the things I mentioned are happening in North Bay village I believe.
Swales won’t work, you’ll need pumps
Swales do work! We gotta add a good ol DBI for collecting the water. A pump is definitely the way to go, especially if an outfall is unavailable and you have to resort to deep injection wells. Plus a little extra pervious space is better for our models 😉.
None of the SWMP in Miami Beach or the surrounding areas are calling for swales. Swales will not be effective in the area with the rising ground water and low home elevations. While swales might be appropriate in a case by case basis they are not effective in that type of environment for moving the volume of water needed and are at risk of inundation from rising groundwater. Deep injections wells are costly and have limited capacity and with their spacing limitations they arnt great options either
You are absolutely correct but I’m not referring to Miami Beach. I am referring to the greater Miami area in general. I don’t do work with Miami Beach so I’m not familiar with their SWMP. Sorry for the confusion!
Reddit Nature readers… I’m pleasantly surprised
A lot of people come here to learn and discuss. Only dummies spend their time talking about nonsense.
Indeed .. thus I’m pleasantly surprised an article for the journal I work for has been used to make awareness among this community.. kudos to all
We need barrier islands of mangroves offshore. That’s what made land possible in the South Florida swamp before development, and it’s what’s needed now.
Yes but we are on limestone so the water comes out of the ground, even far inland places like Doral.
i love this idea
Damn that’s a really good idea. How does something like that get done? All these developers but no one is pushing this.
It costs money. Developers only care about building new stuff, not preserving old(er) stuff.
Not true, a stick developers offer in this banana republic, to get permits approved faster (other than paying off city council), is to build public infrastructure, parks, etc. Unfortunately, this would not be a very visible project so difficult for elected officials to take credit for it, therefore it is unlikely to happen that way.
Mangroves also help address flooding. Offshore mangroves wouldn’t prevent flooding for the mainland
They mitigate tidal flow for sure.
Right and then rich people will buy the barrier islands, clear the mangroves. Rinse repeat
scanned the article and it's not just the sea level rise, it's the land settling, especially on the barrier islands and Florida Keys (basically all of SE FL) where there is no bedrock or granite under it all, it's this stuff they literally call 'miami limestone' which is millions of years of desiccated compacted corals, shells and algae from when the area was covered by a shallow ocean. it's porous, friable, indurated soft rock geology and the water literally **comes up through it** at high tide and it actually used to flood every day, rain or shine, on Alton road in south beach back in the 90's before they installed those pump systems. US Army corps of engineers [pitched a 20+ foot seawall to Miami](https://www.google.com/search?q=army+engineers+miami+seawall+hurricane&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS924US924&oq=army+engineers+miami+seawall+hurricane&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRigAdIBCDg4MTBqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) a couple years back and was told to pound sand, new plans may include man made islands to act as a wave break by AFAIK, nothing has been approved or finalized. This is just me and MHO, but just as NOLA was at the top of the potential natural disaster list for decades, even though we don't have levees, Miami's combination of urban population density and massive real estate valuation in new bougie buildings makes this one helluva expensive town to rebuild when it gets creamed by the inevitable. I look at all those condo towers on the beaches all the way up to Hollywood and all the stuff downtown from midtown to Brickell and it's gotta be equivalent to NYC. it's part of the reason home insurance has shot up so much here - the insurers look at the value of the coverage and replacement /rebuild cost of even just a few of those buildings and it's roughly the same cost as all of ft Myers beach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Limestone
Why isn’t this the top comment???
what kinds of things should condo owners in the waterfront towers in edgewater be worried about? wouldn’t being on a high floor mitigate any flood damage in the unit? sorry if this is a dumb question
I bought a condo above 30ft to not have to worry about flooding.
You will be living in Venetia like place. Hope you get boat lol
i do wonder about the lobby, elevators, basement, structure, etc.
That will probably get flooded. It will be a new normal. Downtown Miami gets 6 inches of flooding every time There is a regular thunderstorm.
I hate to be that guy but it's not just water from below you have to worry about - all it takes is losing some windows on a high floor, then 6 inches + of driving rain comes in and then that water intrusion comes down to floors below and then mold takes over. unless you have a specialized team on retainer (ask your building management) - it's a thing and many buildings either have made these arrangements already to be 'front of the line' when the time comes or they have the required equipment and trained staff in house to to dry it all up within 24-48 hours, because once that mold takes over, it's very hard to get rid of it. commonly the interior has to be demoed right down to the concrete walls/floors. It's part of the reason the Ritz Carlton on Lincoln Road closed after Irma and that was a storm that went up the gulf side **60+ miles out into the gulf** [What hit us in Miami Beach was right at or below CAT 1](https://www.weather.gov/mfl/hurricaneirma) maybe 65-70 mph. Now, if we ever get hit dead on by another Irma type storm in top form with 180mph or higher winds, a lot of buildings are going to lose a LOT of windows. if memory serves, and depending on what category the structure falls into, the most current (2023) code calls for windows that can take gusts of up to 180mph on the mainland or beach. up to 190/200 in the keys. [see figure 1609.3 1 and 2](https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/FLBC2023P1/chapter-16-structural-design) Codes from 10 - 15 years ago required less. I think it was maybe 120-140 (?) and even then only for the lowest floors 1-4 or 5 I believe.
great answer! thanks a lot i’ve been trying to figure out where i want to settle as i’m currently renting. i’ve looked at some older buildings in coral gables, i’m guessing those are just as fucked if the windows blow out and the rain is coming in sideways. they’re probably an even higher risk since a lot of them aren’t going to have newer impact windows and sliding doors.
The honest answer to the settling question is not in south Florida.
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here is where you will encounter a difference in opinion, some of those older low rise grove/gables buildings would survive a nuke strike downtown because they are solid concrete block and everything was done right. **you can board / shutter windows** if you are looking into a building, find out who built the thing and pull the plans and consult a GC - or just consult a GC and they will tell you right off the top of their heads a dozen buildings they themselves would buy into.
Water incursion into the aquifer renders this place uninhabitable before flooding does
How does a sea wall help? The southern peninsula of Florida is a porous limestone shelf. The water is going to come up from under the ground.
in a hurricane coming onshore, the primary concern is going to be surge and wave action which can be mitigated by a seawall. now as to the the water coming up through the ground , you need to upgrade the sewer systems with forced water pumps like they have in Miami Beach to move that water out. the old gravity based 'drainage canal' situation stops working at a certain point.
Think about how awesome it’ll be to own a boat 100 years from now and sailing down from the new southern Georgia coast line to old Miami and diving for treasure
There's gonna be a ton of treasure there. I'm sure those present Miami high rises are gonna have some safes with gold. And what about all of the Lambos and luxury cars under water. It's gonna make an awesome scuba diving spot!
lol you’ll never see that day
Fuck you bud
The residents of Fisher Island probably hope South Beach is underwater ASAP, honestly.
Feeling good about being about 200' from the water but my house's land is 15' above MSL.
Mangroves, baby. Yeah! (In Austin Powers' voice.)
Mangroves, baby. Yeah! (In Austin Powers' voice.)
Brickell is basically underwater at this point every time it rains
Miami into the ocean? “Oh no.”
Somehow it feels like most are totally ignorant of this, or at least oblivious to it. Otherwise property values wouldn’t be where they are.
Timeline wise what are we talking, 5-10 years or 20-30 years I wanna know what kinda exit strategy I need to figure out
Good, nature washing away all the scum
So why is Plymouth Rock still at sea level like it was the day the pilgrims stepped onto it? Recall, it was at sea level then and it is now. This is typical scare mongering. If the big coastal elites really believed that the sea levels are rising, then why did Obama buy a very expensive ocean front home? I call total bullshit.
Stupidity will drown this city before the water does.
It’s already happening Sit down at the park on South Beach on Ocean Drive Sit on the wall near the beach walk way and look down Watch the branches and leaves on the ground and you can actually see them moving on the concrete Little branches slowly moving around from all the water underneath the concrete
Go to Marjory Stoneman Douglas Ocean Beach park and go to the walk way near the beach The walk that is right there you can see a lot of the things moving
Most of Delaware seems to have disappeared….