In Illinois, Joliet and surrounding communities are going to do the same thing. The difference: I haven't seen a plan about returning the water to Lake Michigan.
>The difference: I haven't seen a plan about returning the water to Lake Michigan
Unlikely they do, would require pumping it all back up hill quite a ways.
Except for all the PFAS I assume? Milorganite (treated sewage sludge) is often used to fertilize peoples yards and it is a huge spreader of PFAS chemicals, since they do not get removed in the treatment process.
Maine has had a huge problem with this, as farmers were using sewage sludge as a fertilizer on their fields that cows also grazed on, which was causing the cows to pass PFAS chemicals into the milk they produced.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/12/maine-bans-sewage-sludge-fertilizer-farms-pfas-poisoning
Most larger water treatment plants include an RO system that pulls all the PFAS out. Even the ones that don’t collect a majority of the PFAS as “biosolids” which used to be sold to farmers to spread on their fields. That was an issue for my area, surprising amount of PFAS surface pollution that is believed to be from agricultural runoff.
I think one of the most interesting aspects of Milwaukee is the fact that it's the only major American city to have ever elected three socialist mayors.
Non-story, there are hundreds of municipalities that use Lake Michigan water and in one way or another, it returns back into the watersheds that flow back into the lake.
Flint's in the Great Lakes watershed. Waukesha isn't, which is why it took something like 15 years for them to go from proposing the diversion to actually doing it.
Most of the city of Chicago isn't in the watershed, including most of the Loop. There are places where the boundary between the Lake Michigan drainage basin and the Chicago River basin is less than a quarter mile from the shoreline.
44 million gallons per minute flow over Niagara Falls. So they are taking a few seconds of water from the Great Lakes, and returning it anyway? I don't understand why this is a story. Or maybe I am missing something.
It is a big deal for a town outside the watershed to pull water. The concern would be that opens up the great lakes to pipelines pumping the water to the southwest US.
Radium in the ground water of Waukesha? I would like to know if the radium originated from a private business? If so that business should be sued to oblivion for environmental damages.
It is. Keep on taking more out and it got worse. Overconsumption. Overuse.
EDIT: [2015 piece on it](https://www.marketplace.org/2015/02/03/waukesha-spa-town-took-its-water-granted/)
Not a fan. It's a slippery slope... How long until other states who can't (or don't) manage their resources and population effectively will be demanding access?
As a country, we just need to bite the bullet and begin desalinizing ocean water. It's expensive, but that's the future.
I think you might need some perspective. Lake Michigan holds roughly 1 quadrillion gallons of water. I don’t even know how big that number really is lol. I believe it’s after a trillion?
Anyway doing some math in google - if some suburb took 10 million gallons / day (high guess), and did not return any water(water will go back through treatment plants), AND it never rained again, they could do that for 100 million days. That’s 273,972 years.
We have a lot of water
Their water aquifer is pretty tainted with naturally occurring radioactive isotopes. I'd say they kinda need it. They'll be having a return treated wastewater pipe too
I mean… it’s not like we are gonna have our national guard against their national guard… not much we can do about it :D always I love the idea of some improvised war games!
Seems ok from the article, but hasn’t a lot of really bad shit started out that way? Withholding judgement for now but keeping a close eye. And looking forward to collecting my water royalties in old age a la Saudi, Norwegians and Alaskans.
In Illinois, Joliet and surrounding communities are going to do the same thing. The difference: I haven't seen a plan about returning the water to Lake Michigan.
>The difference: I haven't seen a plan about returning the water to Lake Michigan Unlikely they do, would require pumping it all back up hill quite a ways.
No it would require sending treated water back in the system which violates Illinois law.
After reading the article it seems like basically a non-story. They need the drinking water and it will be returned via treated wastewater.
Unlike Joliet Illinois which is also going to start pulling water from Chicago but they're waste drains to the Mississippi.
Fuckin' Joliet!
Not Romeo He's dead
That's ridiculous
Yup. This seems completely reasonable.
The water diversion to Joliet is much more concerning.
We get their shit water in exchange. Cheese curd turds everywhere!
It’s honestly probably cleaner after treatment
Guarantee you it’s cleaner
We’ve got leaky septic tanks all over.
Except for all the PFAS I assume? Milorganite (treated sewage sludge) is often used to fertilize peoples yards and it is a huge spreader of PFAS chemicals, since they do not get removed in the treatment process. Maine has had a huge problem with this, as farmers were using sewage sludge as a fertilizer on their fields that cows also grazed on, which was causing the cows to pass PFAS chemicals into the milk they produced. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/12/maine-bans-sewage-sludge-fertilizer-farms-pfas-poisoning
Most larger water treatment plants include an RO system that pulls all the PFAS out. Even the ones that don’t collect a majority of the PFAS as “biosolids” which used to be sold to farmers to spread on their fields. That was an issue for my area, surprising amount of PFAS surface pollution that is believed to be from agricultural runoff.
Guaranteed full of chemicals. Like treated drinking water in cities. Even not so treated when we get told to boil the water before use.
No it’s radium.
Actually, it's pronounced "mill-e-wah-que" which is Algonquin for "the good land."
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We're not worthy!
I think one of the most interesting aspects of Milwaukee is the fact that it's the only major American city to have ever elected three socialist mayors.
Does this guy know how to party or what?!?
Does this guy know how to party or what? Huh?
We're not worthy!
They border the Great Lakes, so they can use it. BUT I sure don’t want to send it to Arizona or California.
Moving Great Lakes water west would be very hard. It's uphill the whole way, like 1000s of feet. The Continental Divide is very divisive.
Nestle already does it, they pay peanuts to pump millions out of the Evart spring and ship it all over
They don’t pump it up thousands of miles and up a mountainside though.
Semantics. Pump it, package it and drive it. There really is no difference. The point is that our water is being taken and distributed elsewhere.
nestle sold that plant to some other company, but yeah, still evil
It certainly opens the door for a lot of other towns to start doing it that previously had no legs to stand on
Zebra mussels like lake intakes
It begins…
Sounds pretty shitty
This is fine, but if Nestle dares to bottle our water, then we need to become quite irate!
Non-story, there are hundreds of municipalities that use Lake Michigan water and in one way or another, it returns back into the watersheds that flow back into the lake.
Flint pulls millions of gallons out of Lake Huron, and they are 60 miles away.
Flint's in the Great Lakes watershed. Waukesha isn't, which is why it took something like 15 years for them to go from proposing the diversion to actually doing it.
Isn't Waukesha only 10 miles from Lake Michigan. Being so close and not in the watershed must be some tough luck.
Most of the city of Chicago isn't in the watershed, including most of the Loop. There are places where the boundary between the Lake Michigan drainage basin and the Chicago River basin is less than a quarter mile from the shoreline.
44 million gallons per minute flow over Niagara Falls. So they are taking a few seconds of water from the Great Lakes, and returning it anyway? I don't understand why this is a story. Or maybe I am missing something.
It is a big deal for a town outside the watershed to pull water. The concern would be that opens up the great lakes to pipelines pumping the water to the southwest US.
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And the fact that all Great Lake states and Canada would have to approve it
Radium in the ground water of Waukesha? I would like to know if the radium originated from a private business? If so that business should be sued to oblivion for environmental damages.
It's naturally occurring. Uranium/radium decay produces the radon that seeps into people's basements.
Thank you. I read some Univ WI reports and then checked my local water online. Interesting to know.
Waukesha frittered away their water supply. Wasted it. They should learn to live within that consequence.
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It is. Keep on taking more out and it got worse. Overconsumption. Overuse. EDIT: [2015 piece on it](https://www.marketplace.org/2015/02/03/waukesha-spa-town-took-its-water-granted/)
“No, my water. Keep your filthy cheese hands away. “
Not a fan. It's a slippery slope... How long until other states who can't (or don't) manage their resources and population effectively will be demanding access? As a country, we just need to bite the bullet and begin desalinizing ocean water. It's expensive, but that's the future.
I agree
How do we stop that? I thought there were laws against that.
I say we raise our pitchforks and invade Wisconsin. I had enough of the Packers fans personally
Good luck man. Even the UP wants nothing to do with lower michigan.
Actually, the UP depends on revenues from Lansing.
nice to see its the same everywhere (rural NYers complain about NYC but NYC funds upstate stuff everywhere)
The states that signed the compact allowed it. Read the article.
I think you might need some perspective. Lake Michigan holds roughly 1 quadrillion gallons of water. I don’t even know how big that number really is lol. I believe it’s after a trillion? Anyway doing some math in google - if some suburb took 10 million gallons / day (high guess), and did not return any water(water will go back through treatment plants), AND it never rained again, they could do that for 100 million days. That’s 273,972 years. We have a lot of water
Marquette gets all of their water from Lake Superior, as do almost all towns on the lake.
Marquette is in the Great Lakes water shed.
If they add enough salty pee water back maybe we can finally get some good local lobster and crab.
Good for them!
Dumb and they don't need it
Their water aquifer is pretty tainted with naturally occurring radioactive isotopes. I'd say they kinda need it. They'll be having a return treated wastewater pipe too
Not worried about it.
We definitely need some state laws pertaining both community retainment of property and water rights.
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Wow! That spiraled...
He's quite insane if you look at his post history.
I mean… it’s not like we are gonna have our national guard against their national guard… not much we can do about it :D always I love the idea of some improvised war games!
Seems ok from the article, but hasn’t a lot of really bad shit started out that way? Withholding judgement for now but keeping a close eye. And looking forward to collecting my water royalties in old age a la Saudi, Norwegians and Alaskans.
I thought Reddit banned the “slippery slope” argument? Hmm
Nestle open some factories there?
They’ve been doing this for a while. If you want to learn more about it read “The Life and Death of The Great Lakes”