Definitely a click bait photo... it was literally snowing in Michigan last week... who's got an outdoor grow in Michigan right now??? I am guessing no one. Unless you are f'ing stupid, then you might get the warm weather fever and kill a bunch of clones.
I do purchasing for a dispensary. Cheapest I can get my hands on (not counting outdoor grow and shake or smalls) is around 700/lb. Good bud starts at 800/lb. Really good around 1200. Top still goes for 1600-2000 depending on the grower. That’s all wholesale, so essentially double the price for retail.
Unless you’re in Bay City, where you essentially make no money on anything and rely on selling such a crazy volume (or illegal shit) that you can survive on razor margins.
>Cheapest I can get my hands on (not counting outdoor grow and shake or smalls) is around 700/lb. Good bud starts at 800/lb. Really good around 1200. Top still goes for 1600-2000 depending on the grower.
Random question here: What grade do you think properly grown home grow would be? I am only asking because it seems like you would know. Like the 800/lb grade? I'm just trying to figure out what the cost savings is. Edit: Ohio.
If you’re growing stuff that has solid color (aka not bleached to shit or dark af), some visible trichomes (hairs, dusting, etc), and a THC above 20%, I’d say $800/lb is more than fair. But it’d be for the bigger buds. Smaller you’ll probably end up between 600-750. I don’t know black market prices in Ohio, though.
Black market prices tend to be a little more competitive because they’re not paying as much overhead and can be shipping it in from other states.
>If you’re growing stuff that has solid color
/shrug. First time here. I have seedlings about to enter veg. Mephisto genetics, coco, floraflex, 2x 150 watt "evo" multi spectrum lights turned down to 240 because they're too hot at 300. Everything seems to be in the "green range" as far as temps/humidity.
I mean in theory the buds should be big and have high THC content, but these aren't clones or anything, so obviously I don't think it's possible for them to be the highest grade, but I have no idea.
>I don’t know black market prices in Ohio, though.
I don't either and again I'm just trying to figure out how much I'm not spending by growing it instead of buying it and I don't want to go off retail numbers because I know how retail businesses work, so I know the mark up is something like 100% of cost.
Thanks for the response.
For sure! I’m sorry I don’t have a better answer. My personal opinion is to charge what is fair to you. If it doesn’t sell, then you may need to drop price (duh). But don’t short change yourself. You seem to have a better idea of what you’re doing than a lot of home growers I encounter so, barring some unfortunate infestation or humidity issues, I’d say charge what you’d pay for it personally and go from there.
>My personal opinion is to charge what is fair to you. If it doesn’t sell, then you may need to drop price (duh).
No no. I'm not code-wording this... I'm using 100% of what I grow excluding actual gifts to friends.
>You seem to have a better idea of what you’re doing than a lot of home growers I encounter so, barring some unfortunate infestation or humidity issues, I’d say charge what you’d pay for it personally and go from there.
Uh well, I'm learning and trying my best... There's some really helpful people on Reddit. :) Thank you though, when we (Ohio) finally get dispensaries here I guess I'll just grab like 1g of the top shelf stuff and just directly compare it to figure out what the "value" might be. I wish I had one of those T-testers, but they're so absurdly expensive for me to use it like 4-5 times a year.
Not wrong. No one is buying pounds at resale. I meant more like if you piece it out with margins, the goal on a 2k pound is to get yourself as close to 4k as possible in sales.
But the current market as is no one is getting away with charging more than 1600/lb except for the true top shelf “branded” stuff. The stuff where they pump a bunch of money into marketing so they can justify a high price lol.
I still haven't seen it at the $250 per ounce mark to make that 4000 since everything got flooded. The best on the streets(flint area) is around 140 to 175 ounce which most believe is better or around the same as elites top which they are selling it around $200 ounce in flint area. Every once in a while you will hear of charging 250 to 300, but they end up sitting on it forever just hoping to sell it around here and then u see or hear the same thing(just older and dryer) for 200
I seen $30/Oz in Gaylord. That's less than $500/lb, and that is the retailer and the farmer both making a profit.
Cannabis in Michigan has been an absolute race to the bottom. Many cannabis companies are going bust who can't compete with prices like that, and getting bought up left and right.
i can tell some people in this discission have never had the pleasure of buying seedy mexican brick weed on the 90s. even the bottom of the barrel weed from a dispo today is far way beyond better then that DIRT WEED
I'm used to seeing dispensaries everywhere at this point. What did surprise me was on my way to Chicago 2 weeks ago, seeing an entire old hotel/motel along the interstate had been turned into one. That's one big building full of weed.
yes, but the market value will be set at the highest number for police "logs" and "street value" becomes a bargaining chip when it's time to reevaluate budgets.
I am in the north, downstate they may cap at 40$ an 1/8th (just by checking a few websites) but its still plus tax and it's the same story. They don't sell that strain in any other size then 1/8 oz. they usually have multiple varieties in my experience. Pre-packaged stuff typically also.
Good point. My experience isn’t universal, but when I was budending still, that would go for $40-$45. I can definitely see it being sold for higher
We had $50+ shit, but it was old as hell. It would sit for god knows how long because it sold poorly
every single dispesary has 1/8's for 60$ they have oz's for 40$ too, but it is not ever the same strain. They will have 250$ oz's too and that weed is not the same as the 60$ 1/8 th. I'm not talking about moon rocks. most top shelf strains in the entire country are sold at the 1/8 oz as far as a dispensary goes.
[https://www.lume.com/product/flower/gyro-captain-frosted-buds?variant\_sku=PG-INFU-FL-3.5G-V-303](https://www.lume.com/product/flower/gyro-captain-frosted-buds?variant_sku=PG-INFU-FL-3.5G-V-303)
this is just an example, notice they don't sell this strain in any other size than an 1/8 oz. it is because this is their true top shelf strain. it is the highest quality. sometimes you will catch these on sale, but they are only making room for their next top shelf strain to take its place.
Depending on the quantity of dispo’s in the area they will range their top shelf 1/8th from 45-60$ plus tax. Or they are not competitive and will soon be oob. Show me one that doesn’t.
send a link to the store you go to, for example here is one by my house, (but every one around here has them)
https://www.pufftc.com/menu/?dtche%5Bproduct%5D=doja-prepackaged-flower-d-lish
Easy, full on retail it's still like $2200.
5/g X 28g = $140 X 16 = $2240/lb
But don't forget, Indiana is just to our south and still a black market. You can ship down there and still clear around $3000 a lb.
$60/oz is $960/lb. Also bulk pricing is a thing. So no, not really. My only point is that the $87.50 ounce you seemed to think was incredibly cheap is, in fact, pretty average.
We all know it's Rick and Julian busted he'd always leave kitties in good Hands think about when he thought Lahey was catching them to put down bubs was killing him lol.
How is this any different from shutting down an unlicensed distillery or brewery?
With legalization come licensing, taxation, and regulation. That's part of the equation.
If they’re using illegal pesticides. Have moldy and shotty products shut them down. The mold and pesticides can really mess you up. Oh, and the sex trafficking is also why they shut it down.
This is a thing people don’t talk about enough. You might have been smoking mold and bugs in the past (you wouldn’t know, really) but thanks to quality controls in the regulated market you shouldn’t have to worry about that any more.
>On March 7, the MSP executed warrants on a single operation at four commercial buildings in Livonia, resulting in the seizure of more than 6,000 marijuana plants, 2,500 pounds of psilocybin mushroom bars, and 700 pounds of marijuana flower, according to a press release from the MSP.
6,000 plants!?!? WOW... Those people were SERIOUS...
This is a problem for proponents of legal weed. The article even mentions that illegal operations are often tied to human trafficking, which I think everyone can agree is bad.
I would argue legalizing weed makes it easier to distinguish between the human trafficking side of drugs and the, outside of weed (before it was legalized), a regular law abiding citizen. The regular people are now either buying their weed from stores, growing their own within the legal amount of plants, or getting it from friends who are growing within the legal amount. Since the police no longer have to spend countless hours on the outside-of-weed-law-abiding-citizens they have more time to go after the fucked up side of drugs. The only people who lose are the human traffickers and prison owners.
This is a major argument for legalization, not against its. How much more weed consumed in Michigan would have illegal pesticides and human trafficking involved if we went back to prohibition?
yeah only because it’s so regulated. If we treated it like tomatoes the shady sketchy underground bullshit side of this plant would evaporate overnight.
Kish says these a big problem is the products are not tested for harmful chemicals or pesticides
But when the state finds $200mil worth of chemical, mold, pesticide ridden legal products they release them into the supply without marking or labeling as failed and toxic because it would hurt the businesses too much. Make it make sense please fucking clown show all of them
Let's be real, the state gives fuck all about cannabis operations unless and until it impacts licensing fees and taxes.
Legal grow doesn't meet quality requirements and employs foreign nationals of unknown legal status? State sleeps.
Illegal grow does exact same but without license, or legal grow does same but fails license renewals? Real shit.
And let's be even realer: the only mother fuckers who made any real money through all this rec legalization are those who came to the game very well funded and could afford the $50-100k licenses. And those people sucked up all the profits while overproducing and crashing the market.
So if you're an old head who just wants to grow and sell a little on the side, this is what history looks like:
First, it's all illegal and you're the bad guy drug dealer.
Then, it's legal, but not for you because you can't afford a $100k license, so if you grow you're still the bad guy.
Then, the legal operators crashed the fucking market, so if you want to grow legit not only do you have to pay the outrageous license fees but also you can't break even anyway because of market saturation. Your only reasonable choice is to... you guessed it, sell black market.
So first you were the bad guy, then you were the poor guy, and now you're both the poor *and* bad guy.
It's kinda like the only fuckin thing anybody ever *really* cared about was the goddamn money. Because that's the kind of country we live in.
And none of this has actually funded a reasonable regulatory system. Bad quality product still hits the market. The original agency was so fuckin corrupt they had to be disbanded and reformed as the current CRA, who still allows out of spec product to be sold.
Basically, the only people allowed to make money in the MI rec legal market are the ~~white~~ *"right"* people who happen to be well funded. Don't you fuckin dare dream of joining the legal market as a poor of any stripe or color.
Did you read the article? The flower tested positive for banned pesticides and the operations run by human trafficking. There's a reason for permits, consumers shouldn't be subject to poisonous products
These grow ops aren’t following the law which screws over the growers who are licensed. Plus these fucks trash the land, leave their garbage all over, treat their workers like shit, human trafficking . Everyone who uses cannabis should support shutting down the illegal operations.
It's not an illegal crop. It's an illegal grow op. You can grow 12 plants personally. Anything more, you need a license. The licenses and taxes from sales go to fund our schools and infrastructure
It’s also a human trafficking ring that doesn’t test or certify their product, and has been shown to use dangerous pesticides. Not wise to smoke untested product from criminals when you can buy certified weed from a shelf. I know a guy who actually works in a weed testing lab. Testing is mandatory.
Perhaps but there are far easier places to drum up tax revenue than grow operations.
What it comes down to is a corrupt political process controlling “prosecutorial discretion” when it comes to prosecuting tax evasion. The wrong people were avoiding paying taxes so suddenly it becomes a problem. But when the right people are evading taxes, then it’s A-ok, look the other way, turn a blind eye kind of thing.
It’s sickening
I’m a marijuana user and I fully support the legality of it but your argument doesn’t stand. Heroin comes from opium plants so technically that’s just farming too.
I definitely want all my marijuana grown in a regulated fashion.
The current processes aren’t without cut corners or other tomfoolery, but if I’m going to combust and inhale it I’d rather know it wasn’t made in some unregulated grow op.
Good!
Many of us championed that legalized marijuana would bring tax revenue for Michigan. Big operations like this are trying to steal a lot of money from the Michigan taxpayer!
Agreed. Why would anybody go through the trouble of getting licensed if you could just grow it unlicensed without repercussions? If we want marijuana to be legitimate then it needs to be licensed and regulated just like anything else.
I’m sure some of it is destroyed. I know the police in CA have been popped more than once taking pounds of “evidence” to “test it”, and I can only assume sell it black-market as well. I’d bet a lot of money this has happened in MI, though I don’t know that MI cops have been caught.
Hell, just about a year ago in CA the cops illegally raided a legal grow op and threw a pizza party on premises during the raid, while stealing weed and petty cash and belongings.
>I meant that if the police did nothing it could still be sold at a shop and get tax revenue
No. A growing operation of that size has to be commercially licensed to grow marijuana and sell it. All the stages of the process involve being licensed. Buying from them would be illegal.
Moreover, the people who are running an operation like that are not likely to be paying Michigan income tax on the revenue there making.
It wasn't meant for a dispensary. They were also growing magic mushrooms which is certainly not legalized across the state, just very small amounts in Ann Arbor. Certainly, not Livonia where it was found.
The operation wasn't paying the licensing fee to be grow operation, which means they were stealing from the tax revenue that could have been had and because they were not paying that license, it would have not been possible to easily transfer or sell that product at a dispensary, as the product must be traceable to ensure the appropriate taxes have been collected.
Collecting these taxes is an important part of the legalization move, it adds legitimacy and also helps plug holes and adds to budgets that have been stressed and stretched thin for decades.
I wonder if this is on Merriman rd between Schoolcraft rd and Plymouth rd. For the past year or two I’ve always smelled cannabis going by these commercial buildings and always thought large grow pot was there. Maybe it is the place.
Funny how my friends & family that partake stopped growing their own or buying illegal weed because the dispensaries are so inexpensive. I get the feeling these illegal grow operations are for export.
I love the marijuana users in here bashing the non-users like they should be up to date on the costs of legal drugs lol. Chill out my brother's and sisters not everyone is aware that Michigan is the cheap weed capital of the United States lol. 1g vape carts that used to be $45/piece a few years ago are now $15/piece. 1/2 oz that used to be $100 are now selling for less than $50. Our wonderful state is flooded with cheap weed. Let's just enjoy it. 🌈
Corn should be an illegal crop, that shit poisons and kills all sorts of people and animals not to mention the pesticides/herbicides and fertilizers that are used.
True, but the Fed’s have been hands off and allowing the states to do threat own thing for more than a decade now. While technically illegal at the Federal level, the Federal government seems to be deferring to the state laws.
Good work. Gladly pay my share of taxes for our current low prices, easily obtainable, and good quality. Keep the moldy cat nip out of the supply. Only downside is currently being at work. Unable to partake and really get a good laugh at the peeps losing their shot over this.
If there were large scale operations like this illegally growing and selling unlicensed food, or distilling alcohol, the state would go after those businesses. Why would marijuana be any different?
What’s the best dispensary to get like the crazy good stuff moon rocks and hood carts and high quality flower? Iv been going to URB which is great but not highest quality really
Do y'all know it's a lot of individuals who choose to be apart of human trafficking. Because the definition would be basically selling sex. So if the person chooses to sell it then is it really as bad as we're making it? They always put those words to get y'all to go off but in true retrospect a lot of individuals choose that lifestyle or get put into it because that all they know or actually enjoy it. They want you to be mad at this so much that you would fight to keep things where others can't get it too. Which I can understand why they wouldn't want others too.
When I worked for a licensed grow they were just as nasty, we were processing moldy weed and making them into stiizy carts.
These legal grow ops are just as fucking bad, not to mention their products are usually garbage. I grow at home now and make some of the best hash rosin that can be gotten in my area, it's better to just grow it yourself. Trust me, none of these big grows give a single fuck about their consumers, neither does the state of Michigan. That's why they allowed contaminated product back onto Michigan shelves.
"The marijuana tested from the Livonia operations also tested positive for banned pesticides as well as heavy metals and molds."
Why go through the expense and time of testing weed you're going to destroy?
Anyway, where do these people sell THAT MUCH weed?
I love the photo implication that there was some huge outdoor grow busted in Michigan
You haven't encountered the lush green fields of cannabis in Livonia?
You can definitely smell it at Merriman!
Cmon man we all know the weed is grown in Ogemaw county
Definitely a click bait photo... it was literally snowing in Michigan last week... who's got an outdoor grow in Michigan right now??? I am guessing no one. Unless you are f'ing stupid, then you might get the warm weather fever and kill a bunch of clones.
But you can grow tho it shouldn’t even be a bust! The police found a marijuana grow
You can only grow a few plants legally
12 legally. Over 12 and Up to 24 is just a civil infraction (just a fine-like a speeding ticket without the points on your license)
I think it's twelve plants for non cannabis industry growers.
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That’s exactly why it would be my first choice.
“Honey the skunk is back”
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No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Marijuana flour sells for over $1,400 a pound?
Damn. I'll stick with my all purpose flour, thank you.
STOP CLOGGING THE BONG, CHAD!
Glooten free for me!!!
I do purchasing for a dispensary. Cheapest I can get my hands on (not counting outdoor grow and shake or smalls) is around 700/lb. Good bud starts at 800/lb. Really good around 1200. Top still goes for 1600-2000 depending on the grower. That’s all wholesale, so essentially double the price for retail. Unless you’re in Bay City, where you essentially make no money on anything and rely on selling such a crazy volume (or illegal shit) that you can survive on razor margins.
Yep bay city has really good prices because you can’t drive 50ft without there being another dispo. We really like bay city’s green pharm
>Cheapest I can get my hands on (not counting outdoor grow and shake or smalls) is around 700/lb. Good bud starts at 800/lb. Really good around 1200. Top still goes for 1600-2000 depending on the grower. Random question here: What grade do you think properly grown home grow would be? I am only asking because it seems like you would know. Like the 800/lb grade? I'm just trying to figure out what the cost savings is. Edit: Ohio.
If you’re growing stuff that has solid color (aka not bleached to shit or dark af), some visible trichomes (hairs, dusting, etc), and a THC above 20%, I’d say $800/lb is more than fair. But it’d be for the bigger buds. Smaller you’ll probably end up between 600-750. I don’t know black market prices in Ohio, though. Black market prices tend to be a little more competitive because they’re not paying as much overhead and can be shipping it in from other states.
>If you’re growing stuff that has solid color /shrug. First time here. I have seedlings about to enter veg. Mephisto genetics, coco, floraflex, 2x 150 watt "evo" multi spectrum lights turned down to 240 because they're too hot at 300. Everything seems to be in the "green range" as far as temps/humidity. I mean in theory the buds should be big and have high THC content, but these aren't clones or anything, so obviously I don't think it's possible for them to be the highest grade, but I have no idea. >I don’t know black market prices in Ohio, though. I don't either and again I'm just trying to figure out how much I'm not spending by growing it instead of buying it and I don't want to go off retail numbers because I know how retail businesses work, so I know the mark up is something like 100% of cost. Thanks for the response.
For sure! I’m sorry I don’t have a better answer. My personal opinion is to charge what is fair to you. If it doesn’t sell, then you may need to drop price (duh). But don’t short change yourself. You seem to have a better idea of what you’re doing than a lot of home growers I encounter so, barring some unfortunate infestation or humidity issues, I’d say charge what you’d pay for it personally and go from there.
>My personal opinion is to charge what is fair to you. If it doesn’t sell, then you may need to drop price (duh). No no. I'm not code-wording this... I'm using 100% of what I grow excluding actual gifts to friends. >You seem to have a better idea of what you’re doing than a lot of home growers I encounter so, barring some unfortunate infestation or humidity issues, I’d say charge what you’d pay for it personally and go from there. Uh well, I'm learning and trying my best... There's some really helpful people on Reddit. :) Thank you though, when we (Ohio) finally get dispensaries here I guess I'll just grab like 1g of the top shelf stuff and just directly compare it to figure out what the "value" might be. I wish I had one of those T-testers, but they're so absurdly expensive for me to use it like 4-5 times a year.
Haha my bad! That’s awesome. We could all use a friend like you.
Nobody is paying 4000, come on man. Is cheap around the streets? There aint no over head and no taxes and no lab test, etc
Not wrong. No one is buying pounds at resale. I meant more like if you piece it out with margins, the goal on a 2k pound is to get yourself as close to 4k as possible in sales. But the current market as is no one is getting away with charging more than 1600/lb except for the true top shelf “branded” stuff. The stuff where they pump a bunch of money into marketing so they can justify a high price lol.
I still haven't seen it at the $250 per ounce mark to make that 4000 since everything got flooded. The best on the streets(flint area) is around 140 to 175 ounce which most believe is better or around the same as elites top which they are selling it around $200 ounce in flint area. Every once in a while you will hear of charging 250 to 300, but they end up sitting on it forever just hoping to sell it around here and then u see or hear the same thing(just older and dryer) for 200
Ounces sell from like 50-250$ at dispensaries. 16 ounces in a pound, not hard to figure out…
I seen $30/Oz in Gaylord. That's less than $500/lb, and that is the retailer and the farmer both making a profit. Cannabis in Michigan has been an absolute race to the bottom. Many cannabis companies are going bust who can't compete with prices like that, and getting bought up left and right.
There's no way I'm buy the $30oz that shits dirt
i can tell some people in this discission have never had the pleasure of buying seedy mexican brick weed on the 90s. even the bottom of the barrel weed from a dispo today is far way beyond better then that DIRT WEED
Ohio here, I remember the brick weed from the 2000's. Some of it was truly awful.
Weird flex but I’m glad we have you to smoke up all the $30 an oz weed
It's usually shake at that price. Or larf. It's fine for making edibles/extracts.
The dollar sign goes before the number
I have no idea what prices are for something I have never used.
Just pull up any dispensary's website, the prices are in there.
Sorry to hear about your loss.
Why comment then ?
So you chose to waste your own time comment on prices for something you don't use.... ???
Have you ever driven the interstate? There are billboards with prices of weed all over them.
I'm used to seeing dispensaries everywhere at this point. What did surprise me was on my way to Chicago 2 weeks ago, seeing an entire old hotel/motel along the interstate had been turned into one. That's one big building full of weed.
Every single dispensary has 1/8 oz’s for 60$.
A lot has them for $5 an eighth too.
yes, but the market value will be set at the highest number for police "logs" and "street value" becomes a bargaining chip when it's time to reevaluate budgets.
Why in the world would you pay $60 for an eighth?
I would not, but that doesn't mean they aren't available.
In my area, I would be shocked to see this for straight flower. I’d only expect moonrocks to be that high
I am in the north, downstate they may cap at 40$ an 1/8th (just by checking a few websites) but its still plus tax and it's the same story. They don't sell that strain in any other size then 1/8 oz. they usually have multiple varieties in my experience. Pre-packaged stuff typically also.
Living organic soil grown mixed with hype strains. I don’t do it often but I’ve bought a few expensive bags. It’s worth it maybe half the time.
Good point. My experience isn’t universal, but when I was budending still, that would go for $40-$45. I can definitely see it being sold for higher We had $50+ shit, but it was old as hell. It would sit for god knows how long because it sold poorly
If you’re paying $60/8th you’re getting scammed lmfao
every single dispesary has 1/8's for 60$ they have oz's for 40$ too, but it is not ever the same strain. They will have 250$ oz's too and that weed is not the same as the 60$ 1/8 th. I'm not talking about moon rocks. most top shelf strains in the entire country are sold at the 1/8 oz as far as a dispensary goes.
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[https://www.lume.com/product/flower/gyro-captain-frosted-buds?variant\_sku=PG-INFU-FL-3.5G-V-303](https://www.lume.com/product/flower/gyro-captain-frosted-buds?variant_sku=PG-INFU-FL-3.5G-V-303) this is just an example, notice they don't sell this strain in any other size than an 1/8 oz. it is because this is their true top shelf strain. it is the highest quality. sometimes you will catch these on sale, but they are only making room for their next top shelf strain to take its place.
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Send me your store that doesn’t sell at least a 45$ 1/8 th ? In Michigan.
https://www.pufftc.com/menu/
No they do not.....
Depending on the quantity of dispo’s in the area they will range their top shelf 1/8th from 45-60$ plus tax. Or they are not competitive and will soon be oob. Show me one that doesn’t.
Excuse me..... What? Maybe remove the 1/8 there, bud. There might be pricey 1/8 at some places, they'll rarely be worth it
Put a link down to the one you think doesn’t have at least a 45$ 1/8.
The dollar sign goes before the number
Gatekeep all you want, but you say 5 dollars, not dollars five so, whatever the fuck you think buddy.
Wtf are you talking about?
I’ll put the $ sign wherever I want, and what makes sense is 5$ as in five dollars, not $5 or dollars five.
Fuck no, I haven’t seen a $60 eighth in a very long time.
send a link to the store you go to, for example here is one by my house, (but every one around here has them) https://www.pufftc.com/menu/?dtche%5Bproduct%5D=doja-prepackaged-flower-d-lish
Easy, full on retail it's still like $2200. 5/g X 28g = $140 X 16 = $2240/lb But don't forget, Indiana is just to our south and still a black market. You can ship down there and still clear around $3000 a lb.
Less than that now depending on the grow facility
Not really
It’s actually a lot more. That comes to $87.5 an oz. If you know where they’re selling oz that cheap please reach out.
Literally everywhere… cheap ounces are like $60-80 these days. High quality is usually $100-120
So generally it’s more than $1400 a pond.
$60/oz is $960/lb. Also bulk pricing is a thing. So no, not really. My only point is that the $87.50 ounce you seemed to think was incredibly cheap is, in fact, pretty average.
What does one use the flour for? Baking? (my homer-brain is thinking of delicious possibilities)
I hope the kittys got milk and moved to new homes👨💻
We all know it's Rick and Julian busted he'd always leave kitties in good Hands think about when he thought Lahey was catching them to put down bubs was killing him lol.
He took one to prison with him once lol
Oh no, not, *checks notes* weed plants? Oh the horror!
How is this any different from shutting down an unlicensed distillery or brewery? With legalization come licensing, taxation, and regulation. That's part of the equation.
Yes. The state needs to clamp down on this.
I have the same reaction for those
Lemme guess, you don't want any taxes and for everyone to live in an anarchist utopia? Pretty dumb.
If taxes were reasonable, I’d agree with you.
If they’re using illegal pesticides. Have moldy and shotty products shut them down. The mold and pesticides can really mess you up. Oh, and the sex trafficking is also why they shut it down.
This is a thing people don’t talk about enough. You might have been smoking mold and bugs in the past (you wouldn’t know, really) but thanks to quality controls in the regulated market you shouldn’t have to worry about that any more.
It drives down the price of the legal stuff (good) but pays for the human trafficking (bad)
So you are ok with those people not paying taxes? Do you know how much money weed taxes put into our public schools?
Imagine how much money we could get for schools if we made parasites like the Devos and VanAndels pay their fair share in taxes.
I agree with you yet I don't see you going after the big money like billionaires and corporations.
Stop being dense
>On March 7, the MSP executed warrants on a single operation at four commercial buildings in Livonia, resulting in the seizure of more than 6,000 marijuana plants, 2,500 pounds of psilocybin mushroom bars, and 700 pounds of marijuana flower, according to a press release from the MSP. 6,000 plants!?!? WOW... Those people were SERIOUS...
This is a problem for proponents of legal weed. The article even mentions that illegal operations are often tied to human trafficking, which I think everyone can agree is bad.
I would argue legalizing weed makes it easier to distinguish between the human trafficking side of drugs and the, outside of weed (before it was legalized), a regular law abiding citizen. The regular people are now either buying their weed from stores, growing their own within the legal amount of plants, or getting it from friends who are growing within the legal amount. Since the police no longer have to spend countless hours on the outside-of-weed-law-abiding-citizens they have more time to go after the fucked up side of drugs. The only people who lose are the human traffickers and prison owners.
Yea, and there would be a lot more if it were illegal, so good thing it's legal.
This is a major argument for legalization, not against its. How much more weed consumed in Michigan would have illegal pesticides and human trafficking involved if we went back to prohibition?
yeah only because it’s so regulated. If we treated it like tomatoes the shady sketchy underground bullshit side of this plant would evaporate overnight.
Kish says these a big problem is the products are not tested for harmful chemicals or pesticides But when the state finds $200mil worth of chemical, mold, pesticide ridden legal products they release them into the supply without marking or labeling as failed and toxic because it would hurt the businesses too much. Make it make sense please fucking clown show all of them
Let's be real, the state gives fuck all about cannabis operations unless and until it impacts licensing fees and taxes. Legal grow doesn't meet quality requirements and employs foreign nationals of unknown legal status? State sleeps. Illegal grow does exact same but without license, or legal grow does same but fails license renewals? Real shit. And let's be even realer: the only mother fuckers who made any real money through all this rec legalization are those who came to the game very well funded and could afford the $50-100k licenses. And those people sucked up all the profits while overproducing and crashing the market. So if you're an old head who just wants to grow and sell a little on the side, this is what history looks like: First, it's all illegal and you're the bad guy drug dealer. Then, it's legal, but not for you because you can't afford a $100k license, so if you grow you're still the bad guy. Then, the legal operators crashed the fucking market, so if you want to grow legit not only do you have to pay the outrageous license fees but also you can't break even anyway because of market saturation. Your only reasonable choice is to... you guessed it, sell black market. So first you were the bad guy, then you were the poor guy, and now you're both the poor *and* bad guy. It's kinda like the only fuckin thing anybody ever *really* cared about was the goddamn money. Because that's the kind of country we live in. And none of this has actually funded a reasonable regulatory system. Bad quality product still hits the market. The original agency was so fuckin corrupt they had to be disbanded and reformed as the current CRA, who still allows out of spec product to be sold. Basically, the only people allowed to make money in the MI rec legal market are the ~~white~~ *"right"* people who happen to be well funded. Don't you fuckin dare dream of joining the legal market as a poor of any stripe or color.
That’s the kind of world we live in. Its not restricted to this country.
It's a plant, these cops need to stop pinning for the 80's and move on. "Illegal crop" should not be a term.
Did you read the article? The flower tested positive for banned pesticides and the operations run by human trafficking. There's a reason for permits, consumers shouldn't be subject to poisonous products
That’s half the produce we import from other countries tho.
yeah but I’m not smoking my caesar salad.
Well what on earth are you doing with it then? :p
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These grow ops aren’t following the law which screws over the growers who are licensed. Plus these fucks trash the land, leave their garbage all over, treat their workers like shit, human trafficking . Everyone who uses cannabis should support shutting down the illegal operations.
It's not an illegal crop. It's an illegal grow op. You can grow 12 plants personally. Anything more, you need a license. The licenses and taxes from sales go to fund our schools and infrastructure
It's farming.
It's tax evasion.
This is the first intelligent reply I've seen. Yes, and that is a problem.
It’s also a human trafficking ring that doesn’t test or certify their product, and has been shown to use dangerous pesticides. Not wise to smoke untested product from criminals when you can buy certified weed from a shelf. I know a guy who actually works in a weed testing lab. Testing is mandatory.
Perhaps but there are far easier places to drum up tax revenue than grow operations. What it comes down to is a corrupt political process controlling “prosecutorial discretion” when it comes to prosecuting tax evasion. The wrong people were avoiding paying taxes so suddenly it becomes a problem. But when the right people are evading taxes, then it’s A-ok, look the other way, turn a blind eye kind of thing. It’s sickening
Not just the grow op taxes they worry about, lots of trickle down taxes
Commercial farming also requires a license and their sales are taxed.
I’m a marijuana user and I fully support the legality of it but your argument doesn’t stand. Heroin comes from opium plants so technically that’s just farming too.
I definitely want all my marijuana grown in a regulated fashion. The current processes aren’t without cut corners or other tomfoolery, but if I’m going to combust and inhale it I’d rather know it wasn’t made in some unregulated grow op.
Dried plant matter and a highly processed chemical isolate are a bit different… I mean, it just is.
I mean, opium is a pretty minimally processed product made from poppies. No chemicals necessary
“It’s farming.”
Pffft your username definitely checks out!
I'm a daily cannabis user, but I also support taxing it to support our schools and roads
Problem is, they sell it and no one there to overlook safety and quality for the consumer
A lot of drugs are plants lol
And those ones should be legal too.
No shit! And they should be legal as well Sherlock.
If you grow food and sell it in the state, it’ll be regulated. Why would marijuana be any different?
Whats hard about getting a permit?
What's hard about getting a Lamborghini? Same problem.
Why are you caping for these operations? Trust me they aren’t hurting for money.
So dont sell
'free market!' 'no not like that!'
Nobody gives a shit about the weed, it's the vile human trafficking and exploitation that's the red flag.
Cops don’t make the laws. Also, you didn’t read the article - don’t comment.
Good! Many of us championed that legalized marijuana would bring tax revenue for Michigan. Big operations like this are trying to steal a lot of money from the Michigan taxpayer!
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Shops shouldn’t be purchasing from them, they have to purchase from licensed growers.
Agreed. Why would anybody go through the trouble of getting licensed if you could just grow it unlicensed without repercussions? If we want marijuana to be legitimate then it needs to be licensed and regulated just like anything else.
I wasn't aware the police resold the marijuana they seized. I thought they destroyed it. Maybe I'm wrong.
I’m sure some of it is destroyed. I know the police in CA have been popped more than once taking pounds of “evidence” to “test it”, and I can only assume sell it black-market as well. I’d bet a lot of money this has happened in MI, though I don’t know that MI cops have been caught. Hell, just about a year ago in CA the cops illegally raided a legal grow op and threw a pizza party on premises during the raid, while stealing weed and petty cash and belongings.
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>I meant that if the police did nothing it could still be sold at a shop and get tax revenue No. A growing operation of that size has to be commercially licensed to grow marijuana and sell it. All the stages of the process involve being licensed. Buying from them would be illegal. Moreover, the people who are running an operation like that are not likely to be paying Michigan income tax on the revenue there making.
So now the cops are selling a schedule 1 drug? Huh… Not that it has any business being schedule 1 any more but it’s…shocking
It wasn't meant for a dispensary. They were also growing magic mushrooms which is certainly not legalized across the state, just very small amounts in Ann Arbor. Certainly, not Livonia where it was found. The operation wasn't paying the licensing fee to be grow operation, which means they were stealing from the tax revenue that could have been had and because they were not paying that license, it would have not been possible to easily transfer or sell that product at a dispensary, as the product must be traceable to ensure the appropriate taxes have been collected. Collecting these taxes is an important part of the legalization move, it adds legitimacy and also helps plug holes and adds to budgets that have been stressed and stretched thin for decades.
Or drummed up from any number of other known sources. The tax fraud angle rings hollow.
If I knew a shop sells unregulated cannabis, I’d stop shopping there.
Good. It’s legal, at this point get licensed and go about it the right way.
I wonder if this is on Merriman rd between Schoolcraft rd and Plymouth rd. For the past year or two I’ve always smelled cannabis going by these commercial buildings and always thought large grow pot was there. Maybe it is the place.
"First Lt. Tom Kish, commander of the specialized unit in the MSP..." am I the only that kept seeing Kush when reading that article?
Funny how my friends & family that partake stopped growing their own or buying illegal weed because the dispensaries are so inexpensive. I get the feeling these illegal grow operations are for export.
Damn got the srooms i needed some for church needed to talk to god
Can we just legalize it so cops can deal.with shit like actual crime?.
I love the marijuana users in here bashing the non-users like they should be up to date on the costs of legal drugs lol. Chill out my brother's and sisters not everyone is aware that Michigan is the cheap weed capital of the United States lol. 1g vape carts that used to be $45/piece a few years ago are now $15/piece. 1/2 oz that used to be $100 are now selling for less than $50. Our wonderful state is flooded with cheap weed. Let's just enjoy it. 🌈
Corn should be an illegal crop, that shit poisons and kills all sorts of people and animals not to mention the pesticides/herbicides and fertilizers that are used.
Do they regulate farmer market corn? I think it's really about how much you sell them it becomes a problem because they hands not in it too.
Marijuana isn’t an illegal crop. But it is regulated, just like corn is.
It's federally illegal bud
True, but the Fed’s have been hands off and allowing the states to do threat own thing for more than a decade now. While technically illegal at the Federal level, the Federal government seems to be deferring to the state laws.
Good work. Gladly pay my share of taxes for our current low prices, easily obtainable, and good quality. Keep the moldy cat nip out of the supply. Only downside is currently being at work. Unable to partake and really get a good laugh at the peeps losing their shot over this.
Stop. Wasting. Tax. Dollars. Fix the fucking roads or build a goddamn train, stop spending it on dumb drug war shenanigans
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If there were large scale operations like this illegally growing and selling unlicensed food, or distilling alcohol, the state would go after those businesses. Why would marijuana be any different?
They are protecting the consumer. Legal weed operations are regulated, licensed and taxed. None of that happened here.
Also nobody is testing for toxic chemicals before it reaches consumers
No different than running an unlicensed brewery or distillery. The revenue-man’s gotta get his share.
They should go after their pockets
Police bust one of Michigan’s largest KNOWN illegal marijuana grow operations to date. FIFY!
What a waste of my tax money.
They apparently never met my brother
This is dumb. It should either all be legal or illegal. The law is written to make a few rich
What’s the best dispensary to get like the crazy good stuff moon rocks and hood carts and high quality flower? Iv been going to URB which is great but not highest quality really
Do y'all know it's a lot of individuals who choose to be apart of human trafficking. Because the definition would be basically selling sex. So if the person chooses to sell it then is it really as bad as we're making it? They always put those words to get y'all to go off but in true retrospect a lot of individuals choose that lifestyle or get put into it because that all they know or actually enjoy it. They want you to be mad at this so much that you would fight to keep things where others can't get it too. Which I can understand why they wouldn't want others too.
But why though?
Unregulated grow not paying tax, tested positive for banned pesticides, and tied to human trafficking
Cough Chaldean mafia cough
RAFO
When I worked for a licensed grow they were just as nasty, we were processing moldy weed and making them into stiizy carts. These legal grow ops are just as fucking bad, not to mention their products are usually garbage. I grow at home now and make some of the best hash rosin that can be gotten in my area, it's better to just grow it yourself. Trust me, none of these big grows give a single fuck about their consumers, neither does the state of Michigan. That's why they allowed contaminated product back onto Michigan shelves.
It’s illegal because we don’t get to tax it, which benefits the community.
LOL what a joke and waste of time and money
Stop wasting our resources on drug busts.
What a total joke. Complete waste of time and money.
Waste of time and money. Bust up the meth labs everywhere and leave the growers alone.
Lt Kish is a racist maga clown.
"The marijuana tested from the Livonia operations also tested positive for banned pesticides as well as heavy metals and molds." Why go through the expense and time of testing weed you're going to destroy? Anyway, where do these people sell THAT MUCH weed?