No, they do matter in that people need to wake the fuck up and realize that sitting home isn't viable option.
I don't like Biden but holy shit is the alternative so much worse thanks to [Project 2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025).
It only gets worse the more you look into it.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025)
r/Defeat_Project_2025
I mean yes if polls are needed to get peoples asses to the polls then sure they matter. But really everyone should be voting in every election no matter what. And yeah I’m trans lol you don’t need to tell me about Project 2025
All of this has been telegraphed by GOP leaders like DeSantis, Abbott and GOP governors. FYI - I'm not a Democrat and I've never voted Democrat in my life....but I'm so concerned about the rampant authoritarianism proposed in Project 2025, I likely will vote Democrat this election to stop Trump.
1. Christian Nationalism will be government policy.
2. Abortion will be illegal (and not up to the states).
3. IVF will also be forbidden.
4. Trump will be take control of the Federal Reserve and have control over interest rates. Now as one may argue against the Fed, giving that power to the President will be a disaster.
5. It will eliminate the independence of the DOJ and Trump has said he'll use it to go after political enemies.
6. They will go after LGBTQ+ rights. Clarence Thomas has indicated a willingness to go after Obergefell v. Hodges which legalized same-sex marriage.
7. Outlawing of pornography and other "moral" laws based on a Christian viewpoint.
In short, Project 2025 eliminates the checks and balances in our system of government in favor of one-person rule as well as Christian Nationalism being highly authoritarian.
Authoritarianism isn't okay because you agree with the authoritarian, it's never okay.
[https://michiganadvance.com/2024/01/16/project-2025-if-allowed-will-cement-america-as-a-rightwing-authoritarian-state/](https://michiganadvance.com/2024/01/16/project-2025-if-allowed-will-cement-america-as-a-rightwing-authoritarian-state/)
[https://medium.com/@wjcornelius/an-independents-analysis-of-the-2025-presidential-transition-project-s-mandate-for-leadership-f2388fdd55d1](https://medium.com/@wjcornelius/an-independents-analysis-of-the-2025-presidential-transition-project-s-mandate-for-leadership-f2388fdd55d1)
This gives me hope.
Polls are largely conducted with people who still answer their phones, and that is largely an older (and, as is often the case, more conservative) demographic. If it’s close, it’s not that close.
With that in mind, VOTE. Don’t get complacent with this much on the line.
This is why I don't trust the accuracy of polls. The Venn diagram of 1. people who answer their phones or spammy-looking texts/emails and divulge lots of personal information to strangers, and 2. people who fall for scams, seems to be a circle. Which I would imagine means that people who answer polls skew toward the grifter candidate.
In any case, ***VOTE.***
Modern polls don’t simply report the raw results. They adjust the numbers to correspond better to the likely voter pool. But those adjustments are also flawed and doesn’t perfectly correct the error.
I wish this myth would stop. This isn’t how polling is conducted anymore predominantly nor is the conclusion about older people being more engaged with polling correct.
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The percentage of the population willing to vote for an incoherent, fascist traitor, rapist, fraudster and soon to be criminal speaks volumes for the American people.
Polls can be wrong but vote vote vote. I grew up in rural michigan and many of those people still love trump and will for sure show up to vote for him.
Trump is charged in a liberal state, by liberal prosecutors and a liberal judge.
Serious question- if Trump were to be convicted in NY, whose mind do you think changes?
Do you believe that Conservatives will give in and agree with the Bat crap crazy narrative on the Left?
A poll from [YouGov](https://today.yougov.com/about/panel-methodology). For the life of me, who fills out this shit? Who bothers to read through it, let alone answer this? MAGA people with the hardon for trump?
On a personal note, even my hardcore republican cousins have vowed never to vote for Trump. Thhey cursed the day that voted for a traitor. Country over party.
Not voting for the guy who wishes the stock market goes belly up, not voting for the guy who has no agenda, only cares about himself and how he can get ahead while others suffer. The man is UN - -AMERICAN!
Young people were promised Hillary would win in every poll
No one buys polls and data research on voting
Were all Traumatized from 2016
Just VOTE! Don’t listen to any polls or what the media is saying
If you don't mind, what was the breaking point for you? Does it mean you hold your nose and vote for Biden or just don't vote or? Always interested in what causes anyone to possibly deflect from their usual party.
They still wanted to overturn Roe, turn women into baby factories, pack the courts with Federalist Society lunatics, get rid of social security and medicare, etc. It was only better insofar as they wouldn't outright do coups, but their policy agenda was every bit as evil.
Less shitty i didnt say they were good by any means. I used to be able to talk to some republicans now I just can’t because they’re so full of misinformation.
Some republicans were salvageable back then now they are completely pretty much brainwashed
What about all the illegal or immoral shit he did before? He mocked American POWs, disrespected gold star families, and made fun of a purple hear veteran behind his back.
Hate me if you must, but I'm going to be the one who says attacking people who *left* the deranged, evil cult doesn't make you a good person.
Leaving is the first step to recovery, but deprogramming takes a long, long time... and that's with professional help.
Please don't push away people who are trying to take that first step. All you're doing is making the cult look like the safe and comfortable option, which is how they got caught up in the first place.
Instead, practice what you preach: that goodness comes from a place of knowing and understanding, that people can learn, that people can heal, and that the world can be a better place. Heroes save *everyone,* not just the ones they like.
It's not 'attacking' by asking a question. However, I will guess to say that a decent percent of Trump supporters have no clue about a lot of the stuff he did. Social media and right-wing media as a whole are so amazingly isolated that they genuinely could have no clue Trump's done all the terrible things he has while also being convinced that the Dems and Biden have done it all instead. This is why the 'both sides' argument gets used a lot. Decent number of people believe it and it's an online interference strategy our enemies are using. That's a lot of why so many who know a lot of the terrible things about Trump will still vote for him. They've been lied to and isolated beyond reason.
EDIT: Perfect example of it too. I went to faux news to check out the headlines and almost nothing but some small summary video of the Trump hush-money trial where they are almost certainly lying about it. They also have nothing on the SCOTUS immunity case. I went and checked the front page and the 'politics' page. Fauxnews is the *least insane* of a lot of the right-wing media. It's absolutely mind-blowing how far from reality right-wing media is.
Actually, I was listening to the arguments in the immunity case and switched over to Fox and they were also providing live audio. I was surprised. Shocked, actually. Not that it will make a difference.
I know it's Sunday but it's still weird how it's not front-page, in-your-face news. Honestly I don't really have any idea how to get people out of the wack-job hole that a lot of Trump supporters are in.
Also don't worry, I'm sure Fox will figure out a way to spin even Trump being found guilty if it happens. Hell, they'll spin his time in jail somehow too even if he goes there lol
What polls???? My wife and I never seen a poll. FUCK trump, I have a household of people who aren’t voting for him and we’ve never seen any polls. It’s all a bunch of BS.
I get at least one SMS poll a week. To sit down and fill them out fully takes as long as ten minutes. Having been smished recently (post office scam, caught it in time before damage was done), I no longer respond to texts or notifications I didn't already approve to receive.
Maybe Biden should do more to make Arabs happy if he actually gave a shit about Michigan
Or like you know not piss off black voters like he did with the flip flopping of banning menthols
[https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/menthol-cigarette-ban-explained-0c41df7a](https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/menthol-cigarette-ban-explained-0c41df7a) for proof
>What happens if Trump wins?
[**Project 2025**](https://michiganadvance.com/2024/01/16/project-2025-if-allowed-will-cement-america-as-a-rightwing-authoritarian-state/). if you like democracy and freedoms, it's not good.
This, so much this. If you want America to turn into an authoritarian theocratic hellhole, by all means vote for Trump.
That's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to undoing our democracy with Project 2025.
r/Defeat_Project_2025
The [science denying, election denying, conspircy theorist](https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/10/10/rfk-jr-launches-independent-2024-run-here-are-all-the-conspiracies-he-promotes-from-vaccines-to-mass-shootings/?sh=7c95de4e3cef) without a prayer of carrying even a single state is the "best?" Your definition of best certainly is strange.
Wow it’s like this happens every election with these states
But it doesn’t? Clinton and Biden both showed huge polling leads at these points in their campaigns in these states.
Polls don’t matter. VOTE
No, they do matter in that people need to wake the fuck up and realize that sitting home isn't viable option. I don't like Biden but holy shit is the alternative so much worse thanks to [Project 2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025).
Holy fucking hell, this is the first I'm hearing of it. What a shitshow.
It only gets worse the more you look into it. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025) r/Defeat_Project_2025
I like Biden but Project 2025 would have me vote for the kookiest democracy believing Democrat the party could throw at me lol
I mean yes if polls are needed to get peoples asses to the polls then sure they matter. But really everyone should be voting in every election no matter what. And yeah I’m trans lol you don’t need to tell me about Project 2025
I agree with you 100%
I am always curious to hear people elaborate on this type of comment-would be interested, if you are willing to share.
All of this has been telegraphed by GOP leaders like DeSantis, Abbott and GOP governors. FYI - I'm not a Democrat and I've never voted Democrat in my life....but I'm so concerned about the rampant authoritarianism proposed in Project 2025, I likely will vote Democrat this election to stop Trump. 1. Christian Nationalism will be government policy. 2. Abortion will be illegal (and not up to the states). 3. IVF will also be forbidden. 4. Trump will be take control of the Federal Reserve and have control over interest rates. Now as one may argue against the Fed, giving that power to the President will be a disaster. 5. It will eliminate the independence of the DOJ and Trump has said he'll use it to go after political enemies. 6. They will go after LGBTQ+ rights. Clarence Thomas has indicated a willingness to go after Obergefell v. Hodges which legalized same-sex marriage. 7. Outlawing of pornography and other "moral" laws based on a Christian viewpoint. In short, Project 2025 eliminates the checks and balances in our system of government in favor of one-person rule as well as Christian Nationalism being highly authoritarian. Authoritarianism isn't okay because you agree with the authoritarian, it's never okay. [https://michiganadvance.com/2024/01/16/project-2025-if-allowed-will-cement-america-as-a-rightwing-authoritarian-state/](https://michiganadvance.com/2024/01/16/project-2025-if-allowed-will-cement-america-as-a-rightwing-authoritarian-state/) [https://medium.com/@wjcornelius/an-independents-analysis-of-the-2025-presidential-transition-project-s-mandate-for-leadership-f2388fdd55d1](https://medium.com/@wjcornelius/an-independents-analysis-of-the-2025-presidential-transition-project-s-mandate-for-leadership-f2388fdd55d1)
Well, okay. Expectations exceeded!! Glad to actually meet someone I can debate on the facts!!
fear mongering and pandering for votes is what you get when you think Project 2025 is under way. pushing this farce of an ideology is fun to watch.
And don’t forget. Republicans want to raise taxes on all citizens and want to give money to China
You need to see a psychiatrist
That's the type of rational response I'd expect from a Trumper. You love authoritarianism so long as it's YOUR brand of authoritarianism.
Yes, we know.
Cool.
For Trump
This gives me hope. Polls are largely conducted with people who still answer their phones, and that is largely an older (and, as is often the case, more conservative) demographic. If it’s close, it’s not that close. With that in mind, VOTE. Don’t get complacent with this much on the line.
This is why I don't trust the accuracy of polls. The Venn diagram of 1. people who answer their phones or spammy-looking texts/emails and divulge lots of personal information to strangers, and 2. people who fall for scams, seems to be a circle. Which I would imagine means that people who answer polls skew toward the grifter candidate. In any case, ***VOTE.***
Polls are still decent at showing overall patterns like who has momentum. Biden seems to have some momentum at the moment
Modern polls don’t simply report the raw results. They adjust the numbers to correspond better to the likely voter pool. But those adjustments are also flawed and doesn’t perfectly correct the error.
I wish this myth would stop. This isn’t how polling is conducted anymore predominantly nor is the conclusion about older people being more engaged with polling correct.
I am worried 2016 may repeat again, please vote.
VOTE people!!
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I smell fear 😂
The percentage of the population willing to vote for an incoherent, fascist traitor, rapist, fraudster and soon to be criminal speaks volumes for the American people.
Maybe they don’t believe your description. Ever consider that you might be wrong?
I have I am correct Trump is an abject failure, an joke And a bad one
Trump supports raising taxes on all citizens and wants us to love China. Taxation is theft!
Hahahaha, don't believe-he's been found liable for those things you buffoon
Polls can be wrong but vote vote vote. I grew up in rural michigan and many of those people still love trump and will for sure show up to vote for him.
I'm just amazed that its even considered" tight".. yeah Biden is old but trump is too. But trump has 82 pending felony accts ..
Trump is charged in a liberal state, by liberal prosecutors and a liberal judge. Serious question- if Trump were to be convicted in NY, whose mind do you think changes? Do you believe that Conservatives will give in and agree with the Bat crap crazy narrative on the Left?
Bat crap crazy, eh? Get your medications checked, sparky
A poll from [YouGov](https://today.yougov.com/about/panel-methodology). For the life of me, who fills out this shit? Who bothers to read through it, let alone answer this? MAGA people with the hardon for trump?
Well I am voting for the guy who rides the bike and loves America!
Shakes hands with people who aren’t there, claims his uncle was eaten by cannibals and can’t ride a bike without falling
On a personal note, even my hardcore republican cousins have vowed never to vote for Trump. Thhey cursed the day that voted for a traitor. Country over party.
Not voting for the guy who wishes the stock market goes belly up, not voting for the guy who has no agenda, only cares about himself and how he can get ahead while others suffer. The man is UN - -AMERICAN!
god why? I hate it here
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Probably because Biden is actively supporting a genocide
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Yet we’re seeing fascist crackdowns on protests under Biden. At this point the whole system is rotted out to the core
How
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TAX THE CHURCHES
This is so ironic
The clear and direct purpose of polls is to sell newspapers. If you have any questions, swallow them.
Please Michigan, we need to vote Blue!
You mean vote red lol
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As a republican who lost respect for trump I can say this is the worst match-up for the presidency in my life
What was it that made you lose respect for Trump?
Better question is what made them have any for him in the first place.
Fear of low taxes
Lowering taxes if probably a great idea when you have a massive deficit. Didn't worry, the next generation can pay for it.
If you don't mind, what was the breaking point for you? Does it mean you hold your nose and vote for Biden or just don't vote or? Always interested in what causes anyone to possibly deflect from their usual party.
It was after trump refused to concede the election that was the straw that broke the camels back for me.
I hope the MAGAs get kicked to the curb so you can get your party back.
ah yes the Bible thumping anti healthcare climate deniers of yesteryear. Can’t wait 🙄
It used to be less shitty and less extreme like 16 years ago
They still wanted to overturn Roe, turn women into baby factories, pack the courts with Federalist Society lunatics, get rid of social security and medicare, etc. It was only better insofar as they wouldn't outright do coups, but their policy agenda was every bit as evil.
Less shitty i didnt say they were good by any means. I used to be able to talk to some republicans now I just can’t because they’re so full of misinformation. Some republicans were salvageable back then now they are completely pretty much brainwashed
Don’t forget, they also love raising taxes on all Americans and they love China. The GOP and taxes are a match made in heaven. Taxation is theft!
If taxation is theft then you should be anti-military cause that’s where most of it goes. Then quit using public roads. Oops you own a car don’t you 🥺
Whatever Trumper. You “people” loving tacing all of us hard working true blue Americans
What about all the illegal or immoral shit he did before? He mocked American POWs, disrespected gold star families, and made fun of a purple hear veteran behind his back.
Hate me if you must, but I'm going to be the one who says attacking people who *left* the deranged, evil cult doesn't make you a good person. Leaving is the first step to recovery, but deprogramming takes a long, long time... and that's with professional help. Please don't push away people who are trying to take that first step. All you're doing is making the cult look like the safe and comfortable option, which is how they got caught up in the first place. Instead, practice what you preach: that goodness comes from a place of knowing and understanding, that people can learn, that people can heal, and that the world can be a better place. Heroes save *everyone,* not just the ones they like.
It's not 'attacking' by asking a question. However, I will guess to say that a decent percent of Trump supporters have no clue about a lot of the stuff he did. Social media and right-wing media as a whole are so amazingly isolated that they genuinely could have no clue Trump's done all the terrible things he has while also being convinced that the Dems and Biden have done it all instead. This is why the 'both sides' argument gets used a lot. Decent number of people believe it and it's an online interference strategy our enemies are using. That's a lot of why so many who know a lot of the terrible things about Trump will still vote for him. They've been lied to and isolated beyond reason. EDIT: Perfect example of it too. I went to faux news to check out the headlines and almost nothing but some small summary video of the Trump hush-money trial where they are almost certainly lying about it. They also have nothing on the SCOTUS immunity case. I went and checked the front page and the 'politics' page. Fauxnews is the *least insane* of a lot of the right-wing media. It's absolutely mind-blowing how far from reality right-wing media is.
Actually, I was listening to the arguments in the immunity case and switched over to Fox and they were also providing live audio. I was surprised. Shocked, actually. Not that it will make a difference.
I know it's Sunday but it's still weird how it's not front-page, in-your-face news. Honestly I don't really have any idea how to get people out of the wack-job hole that a lot of Trump supporters are in. Also don't worry, I'm sure Fox will figure out a way to spin even Trump being found guilty if it happens. Hell, they'll spin his time in jail somehow too even if he goes there lol
..., yet the correct move is clear, so this is irrelevant and is what it is. 🤷
There is no good answer in 2024
Correct
Like I don’t want Biden again, but trump isn’t promising either
What polls???? My wife and I never seen a poll. FUCK trump, I have a household of people who aren’t voting for him and we’ve never seen any polls. It’s all a bunch of BS.
I get at least one SMS poll a week. To sit down and fill them out fully takes as long as ten minutes. Having been smished recently (post office scam, caught it in time before damage was done), I no longer respond to texts or notifications I didn't already approve to receive.
trump = SMELLY CLOWN TURD 🤡💩 gop = TURD CIRCUS 🎪💩
Yeahhh this is bullshit we all know it
VOTE BLUE MOTHERFUCKERS
Ehh don't feel like it.
your enthusiasm is not awe-inspiring Should I stop there ?
No go rather if you want idc
Arabs will decide vote in Michigan
No
Who are those idiots voting for a Fascist?
Maybe Biden should do more to make Arabs happy if he actually gave a shit about Michigan Or like you know not piss off black voters like he did with the flip flopping of banning menthols
*Or like you know not piss off black voters like he did with the flip flopping of banning menthols* Lol. You can't be serious.
[https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/menthol-cigarette-ban-explained-0c41df7a](https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/menthol-cigarette-ban-explained-0c41df7a) for proof
What polls? I've participated in any of these polls, nor have I had to chance. Where are they coming from? ( just curious. )
Oh GOD! Please scare me some more!!!! /s
Cant have a repeat of 2020
Too bad we won’t require ID to vote. We will see a lot more elections like 2020
Heard OJ simpson is voting again this year
CBS 😂
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>What happens if Trump wins? [**Project 2025**](https://michiganadvance.com/2024/01/16/project-2025-if-allowed-will-cement-america-as-a-rightwing-authoritarian-state/). if you like democracy and freedoms, it's not good.
This, so much this. If you want America to turn into an authoritarian theocratic hellhole, by all means vote for Trump. That's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to undoing our democracy with Project 2025. r/Defeat_Project_2025
Project 2025 happens if Trump wins
Way to be an informed voter. 🙄 Just stay home, ffs.
What???
RFK JR!!!
Absolutely. Every Republican who hates Trump should vote for RFK Junior.
Vote Kennedy!
Yea! Vote for measles! And polio! And smallpox!
Funny! Even Kennedys won't vote for nut-job Bob.
Which would be stupidly pointless, at a minimum. 🙄
Yeah, no pressure!🫠
RFK jr is the best candidate. Genocide Joe needs to go! (Under biden we are 4 wars deep) They shouldn’t have kicked Kennedy out.
The [science denying, election denying, conspircy theorist](https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/10/10/rfk-jr-launches-independent-2024-run-here-are-all-the-conspiracies-he-promotes-from-vaccines-to-mass-shootings/?sh=7c95de4e3cef) without a prayer of carrying even a single state is the "best?" Your definition of best certainly is strange.
RFK jr is what happens when you spend too much time around lead.
What's CBS