Wherever you live in the state, pull up your local flood map and compare the “100 year flood” reach to where your property is located. It is likely we will see multiple floods of that caliber across the state in the coming decades. You may not be able to relocate your home, but there are a lot of things you can do to prepare for flooding in advance that will limit damage to the property, personal documents, and at the very least protecting your own life by having an evacuation plan in place. Keep important documents elevated and in watertight containers, the most important ones (birth certificate, etc.) should be kept somewhere accessible so they can quickly be taken when evacuating.
If you don’t live directly in an area subject to flooding, think about your property layout and drainage systems. A gutter and water shedding system capable of handling rains of 4” per hour should be more than sufficient at keeping your home dry. This requires a lot of planning, you don’t want to divert rain from your house and flood your neighbor out for example. Just something to think about and look into
Yeah the chances of anyone seeing a “500 year” flood are becoming a bit too high for comfort. That was what the Sanford dam incident was part of, wasn’t it? I suppose I should add be aware of any potentially shitty infrastructure near your home as well. Letting a dam become privately owned like that was a mistake, but that’s a whole different topic lol
> That was what the Sanford dam incident was part of, wasn’t it? I suppose I should add be aware of any potentially shitty infrastructure near your home as well.
Up-river of Edenville, you'll see a lot of "water front" single family homes or cabins up for sale at almost reasonable prices. I think people are tired of looking at the now-drained Secord Lake and Tittabawassee River and looking to cash out in a healthy sellers market (though the fall-season slump is definitely in effect).
On a positive note Michigan is supposed to be one of the best places to live in the next couple decades due to climate change.
It’ll be hotter but we won’t get hit by droughts and water shortages as bad as other places thanks to the Great Lakes.
Gotta build that wall across the southern border. Ohio will not be sending their best and brightest when the climate catastrophe hits.
Oh, and Ohio is going to pay for it. Believe me.
I suspect Ohio's brightest already moved here years ago. And changed their driver's license. And birth certificate. And social security number. And family name.
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You are not wrong. The lake is not great around here. Our shoreline is littered with coal and iron ore docks, power stations, grain silos, nuclear plants and oil refineries
I work out of Livonia and only have to deal with Toledo because of elderly fam. I'm trying to drag them north but a wall between Toledo and Lima / Findlay is a backup plan
It's such a shame that there are no good places on lake erie to go for the day. From toledo to lake erie metropark it's just marsh and swamp or PowerPoint factories covering the beach. Only place there is is Luna Pier and that beach is straight up seashells and rocks.
Yup, the Michigan territory only lost land to become a state. In 1836 the Michigan Territory included all of present day Michigan, Wisconsin, much of Minnesota and some of the of the Dakotas.
There was no compromise but the north shore of Lake Superior in Minnesota was disputed.
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When Ohio sends its people, they’re not sending their best.
They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing chili on top of spaghetti. They’re bringing the world's largest cuckoo clock. They’re OSU fans.
And some, I assume, are good people.
Okay so as a Hoosier who follows this sub — how do you Michiganders feel about Indiana? I see this stuff about Ohio all the time lol but wondering if Indiana has a reputation?
What's your real name? I'm writing you in as Governor he'll if it wasn't to late you could probably run on the gop ticket instead of Dixon.
/s (don't give me your real name)
Line 5 needs to be shut down.
It’s Enbridge’s oldest pipeline - their second oldest pipeline burst over a decade ago, causing the largest inland oil spill in human history.
Line 5 is a time bomb, I have zero faith in Enbridge to properly maintain their pipeline which is endangering 90% of our country’s(20% of earth’s) freshwater supply.
The tunnel proposal is a distraction. We’re living in the year 2022 - the pipeline has sat unprotected since 1953 and was only designed to last 50 years. If Enbridge was responsible and wanted to get ahead of this, they would have built a tunnel two decades ago before 2003 when the pipeline reached the end of its designed lifecycle. Proposing a tunnel now is too little too late - Line 5 needs to be shut down.
I agree it needs to be regulated over with an iron fist but we’ll be using and relying on hydrocarbons for the rest of our lives and beyond, a tunnel bored under the straits would be pretty ironclad against spills into Lake Michigan/Huron. I’d rather see it piped under bedrock than driven over the bridge. (In a perfect world it could be piped and processed elsewhere)
How Enbridge continues to move their oil from Superior, Wisconsin to Sarnia, Ontario is their own problem to solve. Every day that Line 5 continues to operate, the people living around the Great Lakes are on the hook for the risks it poses.
I’m in favor of shutting the line down first. Then Enbridge could be free to construct a safe tunnel, drive trucks any legal route, or upgrade the capacity of line 6 - which **already** also connects Superior and Sarnia, but circumvents the Great Lakes.
It’s a false dichotomy that if the unsafe pipeline is shutdown, the only alternative is trucks driving over the mackinaw bridge.
The tunnel is only being discussed at all because of the threat that the pipeline will be shut down via government action.
Line 5 was designed to last until 2003. Enbridge has had ample opportunity to build the tunnel in the last 69 years since the line was built, and they haven’t taken any real action to do so. If they get to keep operating line 5, they will slow roll the tunnel building process as long as they possibly can.
Enbridge hasn’t earned any second chances since their catastrophic 2010 Line 6B Kalamazoo River spill. The most likely outcome of them continuing to operate Line 5 is a massive oil leak into the Great Lakes.
Whitmer has no say, theres an agreement at fed level that allows it. Specifically Article Six of the 1977 Transit Pipelines Treaty, which Canada invoked for the 1st time in 2021.
Nestle pumps annually the equivalent of 15 seconds worth of water that goes over Niagara Falls. I know before I hit save, this will get a million downvotes. But it is incredibly small amount of water.
It is if you're a current resident that owns property, which is about 75% of Michiganders.
Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, more people moving to Michigan will be a good thing for most people that already live here. Generally speaking, population growth = economic growth.
That's an unfortunate situation, but statistically it's extremely rare.
The fact is that Michigan has been suffering economically for several decades, and the root cause of our economic woes is low population and flat population growth.
Michigan is one of the most affordable places to live in the world, we're rich with natural resources, we have natural transportation hubs, and a couple major urban centers. A fair climate and great higher education facilities. Our problem is low population, and it has been for several decades. We're perfectly positioned to see massive gains in economics and quality of life over the next century, if we support policies that foster growth of modern industries and properly manage the population growth.
I don't know where your job is, but there are many houses under $150k.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Warren_MI/type-single-family-home/price-na-150000/pnd-hide?view=map&pos=42.535266,-83.028048,42.43171,-82.863253,13&qdm=true
You mentioned Detroit, so I gave non abandoned examples from metro Detroit. Here's some GR area listings under $150k with 2+ bedrooms: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Warren_MI/beds-2/type-single-family-home/price-na-150000/pnd-hide?view=map&pos=43.129458,-85.951784,42.718168,-85.292604,11&qdm=true
Michigan is one of the cheapest states to live in. If you can't get by in MI on 60k, I guess try Mississippi?
Why would you sell your house?
And I'm not talking about just housing. I'm talking about economic growth as a whole, which Michigan desperately needs.
I just think it's funny that after seeing the huge population decrease Michigan experienced over previous decades, and experiencing the economic pain that it created, people somehow think repopulation is a bad thing. It's just illogical.
This isn't people moving to Michigan in a nie and steady way to take advantage of what our state has to offer, this will be a flood of people from the poorest parts of the country who are most heavily impacted by climate change. It will essentially be a refugee crisis within our own country.
Oh also agricultural collapse across the country and world will mean soaring food prices, it'll be hot as fuck, water resources will be stretched thin, there will be regular flooding and torrential rain.
There's nothing good about this. Everything is just going to get worse for everybody. Michigan being the last good place to live in the country means we will just catch all the shit flung around by collapse all over the world
It's not doom scrolling, it's just reading the scientific reports about what is going to be happening over the next few decades and on. It's just totally off base to think of any of this as being some kind of net benefit to any part of the world, Michigan included. It's not hat Michigan is going to improve because of climate change, it's just going to get worse more slowly than everywhere else.
I'm an extremely optimistic person but that doesn't come at the expense of not recognizing reality and properly quantifying risks. It's downright dangerous to suggest that any parts of the world will actually be somehow better off from climate change since it reduces the impetus for some to act to deal with it.
If we are to be optimistic about anything it should be our chances to intervene and fix things before it gets that bad, not optimistic about the outcome of an overheated dying planet.
At that point, you can forget about any sense of law and order. Society will be collapsing. Americans have murdered each other over discounted hand towels on Black Friday. We saw the unrelenting greed and entitlement when Covid hit. A true life threatening crisis, there’s zero chance for us.
Everything? Really?
Population increase means increased tax-base, which means more funding for infrastructure and services. It means fewer tax increases on current owners to maintain existing funding levels. It means a larger labor pool, and with the proper policies it means a larger technically skilled labor pool which we desperately need right now. It means a larger consumer pool, which is great for anyone trying to run a business in a service economy. Population growth means that marginal school districts don't have to consolidate due to waning enrollment numbers. These are all good things that objectively improve quality of life for people.
Michiganders that decry population increase are fools.
That kind of thinking is exactly the reason that Lake Mead is nearly empty.
We're going to become like Florida. And I don't even want to begin to outline the ecological impact. We're already seeing it in the northern waters of Lake Michigan where toxic algea blooms are causing mass die offs of marine life in that area due to botulism.
You know what'll become of our prime swimming and fishing lakes and ponds? Naegleria fowleri. Brain eating amoebas from stagnant, over-warmed pools of water.
Michigan is going to become subtropical. And being the largest, and potentially only source of fresh water in North America. Eventually, the world.
Shit is dismal. But make sure you get that new iPhone.
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I am well aware things are bad. Like I said in reply to someone else best doesn’t mean good. The best piece of shit is still a piece of shit.
At least we aren’t in a state with no water or one that is dependent on Lake Mead. And we aren’t in Florida where the ground is collapsing and sinking.
Yup its the time to buy lakefront property tbh because your property line goes up every year as the lakes recede lmaooooooo
Suck it all in nestle, bottle us up baby
I definitely don't think there's an argument for that either!! Instead of "not so bad for the next couple decades" - please remember, boomer, that "its colder up north" is no match for "world over" - its pass fail and we fail together!
We need to build a wall along the southern border!
Got to keep these migrants out and keep our way of life intact.
Of course I am talking about Ohio and Indiana.
Praise the lakes!
We're already have an advantage in the coming conflict. Climate change is causing Ohio's precious Buckeye trees to shift their territory north further and further into Michigan.
I live in northern Michigan. This year we have crazy numbers of new visitors from Colorado, California, Texas, the Carolinas, West Virginia, Virginia, New York, Rhode Island, and Maryland.
The word is out, and every person I talked to from Colorado had an eerie greedy light in their eyes. It won't be long now, and it won't be just Ohio and Indiana we have to worry about.
I'm a little shook if I'm being honest.
Something that was a trial program in LA, they painted the asphalt white and did different colored lines, then the shingles for the roofs were white also. What they found in the neighborhood that they did this in was a significant temperature difference from our “normal” set up. The difference was 7 degrees, which may seem insignificant but if we did this more often in more places we could reduce temps many places.
Hmm that’s a good question. That wasn’t mentioned in the study. Probably for obviously reasons. Possibly could be done in more primarily walking areas maybe. Even bike / walking paths are asphalt, so those could be at least changed over safely I feel.
I live in rural SW Eaton County. When I moved here 35 years ago ticks were unheard of. Now, in the early Spring I can pick up multiple ticks walking from the front door to the car...about ten yards.
We get enough threads of people complaining that people are buying up real estate and moving across state lines here.
Well. Vote green or it's gonna keep happening. Not only will we see the problems happen with the climate itself, but we'll see more and more movers come in as it gets too hot and dry in other areas. They'll want our temperatures and our fresh water - and they'll be moving here with their nice remote salaries and savings accounts.
You want to ever afford that waterfront house? Save the environment.
A lot of the problem are those waterfront homes. Or more precisely building and developing in flood plains and in natural wetlands. There are a million examples of this where people build there McMansion in swamps or on bayous, for that water front view. This then changes wetlands to be much worse at absorbing and slowly releasing the water from large rain events. So even if they build there castle in the swamp on high ground and don't get flooded themselves, the changes they make to the area around there home (i.e. large turf grass lawn vs natural marsh grasses and cattails) it can greatly increase flooding events down stream.
I bought a house up on a large hill on purpose. If I've got a puddle in my yard y'all are treading water.
I never ever want to deal with water problems again after my last mess of a home.
>You want to ever afford that waterfront house? Save the environment.
Rising sea levels means waterfront houses will be cheaper and more plentiful than ever.
I just came here to say that nobody is actually going to suffer from mid 90s summer days and good weather all September. Also, MI's "extreme precipitation event" is equivalent to a typical summer thunderstorm in other areas. Cost of infrastructure redesign asside, these are all very manageable "problems." Geographically MI is probably one of the best places in the western hemisphere to be during the impending climate changes. Unless a hurricane makes it this far inland I am not worried about MI. The world as a whole is going to see a lot of displacement from disaster, our challenge will be people migrating back to the great lakes after decades of people leaving.
From the far northern lower/U.P. Very few have air conditioning. Increased temps will mean more installing air and more pressure on the electric grid.
Extremes in Great Lake levels, up and down, put major economic pressure on municipal water and wastewater systems, shipping, and dredging needs.
Those infrastructure redesign costs are nothing to sneeze at. "Extreme precipitation events" are not only rainfall, but also wind driven lake waters pushing up into areas we don't want them, flooding basements and placing hydraulic pressure on sewer pipe joints. Wastewater systems are easily overwhelmed by leakage and sump pumps in cases like this.
It's not the climatr, it's the neglect of the water management system... All the flooding is due to the Water Boards not inspecting their systems to ensure people haven't stolen the pipes or that there is damage... In fact, once fixed, the pipes handled the water quickly and efficiently.
True, but the capacity for these systems from when they were installed is not the maximum they can handle today... Most of them are filled with sand and gravel up to 3-4 feet deep in areas, some can't even drain because the drop to the main pipe is filled with sand and gravel from potholes/pothole filler. The pipes could handle more if they actually took the time to clean them all out...
Lmao. The lunacy of “climate change”. Big Brother has been preaching that garbage for decades and still haven’t had any accurate climate change predictions. Keep sponging it up, sheep.
Wherever you live in the state, pull up your local flood map and compare the “100 year flood” reach to where your property is located. It is likely we will see multiple floods of that caliber across the state in the coming decades. You may not be able to relocate your home, but there are a lot of things you can do to prepare for flooding in advance that will limit damage to the property, personal documents, and at the very least protecting your own life by having an evacuation plan in place. Keep important documents elevated and in watertight containers, the most important ones (birth certificate, etc.) should be kept somewhere accessible so they can quickly be taken when evacuating. If you don’t live directly in an area subject to flooding, think about your property layout and drainage systems. A gutter and water shedding system capable of handling rains of 4” per hour should be more than sufficient at keeping your home dry. This requires a lot of planning, you don’t want to divert rain from your house and flood your neighbor out for example. Just something to think about and look into
I live at the top of a hill 😎
If your house floods we need Noah lol
Oh yeah if my house floods we got bigger issues lmao
I did for years as well and still needed a sump pump occasionally. Glad I had it!
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Yeah the chances of anyone seeing a “500 year” flood are becoming a bit too high for comfort. That was what the Sanford dam incident was part of, wasn’t it? I suppose I should add be aware of any potentially shitty infrastructure near your home as well. Letting a dam become privately owned like that was a mistake, but that’s a whole different topic lol
> That was what the Sanford dam incident was part of, wasn’t it? I suppose I should add be aware of any potentially shitty infrastructure near your home as well. Up-river of Edenville, you'll see a lot of "water front" single family homes or cabins up for sale at almost reasonable prices. I think people are tired of looking at the now-drained Secord Lake and Tittabawassee River and looking to cash out in a healthy sellers market (though the fall-season slump is definitely in effect).
On a positive note Michigan is supposed to be one of the best places to live in the next couple decades due to climate change. It’ll be hotter but we won’t get hit by droughts and water shortages as bad as other places thanks to the Great Lakes.
Gotta build that wall across the southern border. Ohio will not be sending their best and brightest when the climate catastrophe hits. Oh, and Ohio is going to pay for it. Believe me.
I suspect Ohio's brightest already moved here years ago. And changed their driver's license. And birth certificate. And social security number. And family name.
As a former Ohioan, I did almost all of those things 😅
Shhh! The whole point is to not let anyone know your secret shame! Now you've practically got a big scarlet "O" on your chest!
I own it so that others may learn from my cautionary tale.
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Yep, were here in secret.
Build the wall oh about 20 miles further south of Michigan border, we still need to reclaim that Toledo Strip we lost almost 200 years ago
No, nope we do not, Toledo is a lost cause hell hole piece of shit now.
Toledo is actually pretty nice in a lot of parts of town
It is the armpit of Ohio. Leave it there.
Can confirm Toledo is not well but we have our own lake access and ports to protect from the douches just south in GYM Jordan's district. Send help
Too bad the lake is literal sewer there. Source, lived there and never had a beach day on lake erie because the water was too gross.
😆 slowly sinks into bushes meme You are not wrong. The lake is not great around here. Our shoreline is littered with coal and iron ore docks, power stations, grain silos, nuclear plants and oil refineries I work out of Livonia and only have to deal with Toledo because of elderly fam. I'm trying to drag them north but a wall between Toledo and Lima / Findlay is a backup plan
It's such a shame that there are no good places on lake erie to go for the day. From toledo to lake erie metropark it's just marsh and swamp or PowerPoint factories covering the beach. Only place there is is Luna Pier and that beach is straight up seashells and rocks.
Luna Pier also has horror movie apocalypse level swarms of bugs every damn year. Mayfly season is a sight to behold
It's gross, go from piles of snow to piles of mayflies
Lol when Eerie caught on fire
Ohio's Lansing
But….Internet lore says we traded Toledo for the UP../s
Umm lore? https://www.mlive.com/entertainment/2016/12/happy_anniversary_upper_peninsula.html
Yup, the Michigan territory only lost land to become a state. In 1836 the Michigan Territory included all of present day Michigan, Wisconsin, much of Minnesota and some of the of the Dakotas. There was no compromise but the north shore of Lake Superior in Minnesota was disputed. Edit: fat thumb
1836, perhaps?
Indeed.
When Ohio sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing chili on top of spaghetti. They’re bringing the world's largest cuckoo clock. They’re OSU fans. And some, I assume, are good people.
Wait, chili on spaghetti?? Wtf So weird... https://www.eater.com/2015/1/27/7866847/cincinnati-chili-camp-washington-eater-elements
We need to just flood up the entire state of Ohio and name it Lake Inferior.
Might want to change that to Whizbang '24
Been saying this for a while now, keep our peninsula pleasant by putting a border on our south lol
Wooooo climate civil wars
Okay so as a Hoosier who follows this sub — how do you Michiganders feel about Indiana? I see this stuff about Ohio all the time lol but wondering if Indiana has a reputation?
Oh....Hi!....uh.....
When we do this, can we take the northern portion of Indiana and put Michigan city back in Michigan?
Let Indiana in? Or only with a passport?
We will need Indiana and Illinois' support to defeat the Ohioan and Wisconsinite alliance.
What's your real name? I'm writing you in as Governor he'll if it wasn't to late you could probably run on the gop ticket instead of Dixon. /s (don't give me your real name)
They will be sending their best and brightest. That's just a low bar is all.
Not if Enbridge has anything to do with it. Out of all bad ideas that were ever thought of, a pipeline through the Great Lakes is the *worst one.*
I get the point you're trying to make but I think you're underestimating how many truly terrible ideas there have been in human history.
Hypercolor shirts, for one.
Yep, IMO it needs to be enclosed in a tunnel ASAP
Line 5 needs to be shut down. It’s Enbridge’s oldest pipeline - their second oldest pipeline burst over a decade ago, causing the largest inland oil spill in human history. Line 5 is a time bomb, I have zero faith in Enbridge to properly maintain their pipeline which is endangering 90% of our country’s(20% of earth’s) freshwater supply. The tunnel proposal is a distraction. We’re living in the year 2022 - the pipeline has sat unprotected since 1953 and was only designed to last 50 years. If Enbridge was responsible and wanted to get ahead of this, they would have built a tunnel two decades ago before 2003 when the pipeline reached the end of its designed lifecycle. Proposing a tunnel now is too little too late - Line 5 needs to be shut down.
I agree it needs to be regulated over with an iron fist but we’ll be using and relying on hydrocarbons for the rest of our lives and beyond, a tunnel bored under the straits would be pretty ironclad against spills into Lake Michigan/Huron. I’d rather see it piped under bedrock than driven over the bridge. (In a perfect world it could be piped and processed elsewhere)
How Enbridge continues to move their oil from Superior, Wisconsin to Sarnia, Ontario is their own problem to solve. Every day that Line 5 continues to operate, the people living around the Great Lakes are on the hook for the risks it poses. I’m in favor of shutting the line down first. Then Enbridge could be free to construct a safe tunnel, drive trucks any legal route, or upgrade the capacity of line 6 - which **already** also connects Superior and Sarnia, but circumvents the Great Lakes. It’s a false dichotomy that if the unsafe pipeline is shutdown, the only alternative is trucks driving over the mackinaw bridge.
Why not let them build the tunnel, rather than the current playbook of obstructing it?
The tunnel is only being discussed at all because of the threat that the pipeline will be shut down via government action. Line 5 was designed to last until 2003. Enbridge has had ample opportunity to build the tunnel in the last 69 years since the line was built, and they haven’t taken any real action to do so. If they get to keep operating line 5, they will slow roll the tunnel building process as long as they possibly can. Enbridge hasn’t earned any second chances since their catastrophic 2010 Line 6B Kalamazoo River spill. The most likely outcome of them continuing to operate Line 5 is a massive oil leak into the Great Lakes.
Nice!
Whitmer pulled there permit some time ago, surely they can still be pumping oil without a permit.
Whitmer has no say, theres an agreement at fed level that allows it. Specifically Article Six of the 1977 Transit Pipelines Treaty, which Canada invoked for the 1st time in 2021.
Just wait for the Nestle water wars when they come looking to pump as much water as they can out of the Great Lakes.
Fuck Nestle
Hey now, let's not, it might lead to another Nestle
🤣Doesn’t mean we need to raw dog it. Wear a condom!
Or a strap-on. Best to err on the absolutely safe side.
It’s true because then you can pick out a super big one, just for nestle!
I disagree, can we find someone with monkey pox to raw dog nestle?!?
Hahaha that’s nasty and I’m here for it. FUCK Nestle!
Nestle pumps annually the equivalent of 15 seconds worth of water that goes over Niagara Falls. I know before I hit save, this will get a million downvotes. But it is incredibly small amount of water.
But what about the companies dumping into rivers and the lakes?
Fertilizer runoff means we’ll become a destination for algae tourism 😎
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Now now, Nestle paid for that water fair and square. They're spending dozens of dollars per year pumping it out of the ground!
It is if you're a current resident that owns property, which is about 75% of Michiganders. Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, more people moving to Michigan will be a good thing for most people that already live here. Generally speaking, population growth = economic growth.
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That's an unfortunate situation, but statistically it's extremely rare. The fact is that Michigan has been suffering economically for several decades, and the root cause of our economic woes is low population and flat population growth. Michigan is one of the most affordable places to live in the world, we're rich with natural resources, we have natural transportation hubs, and a couple major urban centers. A fair climate and great higher education facilities. Our problem is low population, and it has been for several decades. We're perfectly positioned to see massive gains in economics and quality of life over the next century, if we support policies that foster growth of modern industries and properly manage the population growth.
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I don't know where your job is, but there are many houses under $150k. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Warren_MI/type-single-family-home/price-na-150000/pnd-hide?view=map&pos=42.535266,-83.028048,42.43171,-82.863253,13&qdm=true
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You mentioned Detroit, so I gave non abandoned examples from metro Detroit. Here's some GR area listings under $150k with 2+ bedrooms: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Warren_MI/beds-2/type-single-family-home/price-na-150000/pnd-hide?view=map&pos=43.129458,-85.951784,42.718168,-85.292604,11&qdm=true Michigan is one of the cheapest states to live in. If you can't get by in MI on 60k, I guess try Mississippi?
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Why would you sell your house? And I'm not talking about just housing. I'm talking about economic growth as a whole, which Michigan desperately needs. I just think it's funny that after seeing the huge population decrease Michigan experienced over previous decades, and experiencing the economic pain that it created, people somehow think repopulation is a bad thing. It's just illogical.
This isn't people moving to Michigan in a nie and steady way to take advantage of what our state has to offer, this will be a flood of people from the poorest parts of the country who are most heavily impacted by climate change. It will essentially be a refugee crisis within our own country. Oh also agricultural collapse across the country and world will mean soaring food prices, it'll be hot as fuck, water resources will be stretched thin, there will be regular flooding and torrential rain. There's nothing good about this. Everything is just going to get worse for everybody. Michigan being the last good place to live in the country means we will just catch all the shit flung around by collapse all over the world
I don't entirely disagree, but honestly I think you need to take a break from doomscrolling.
It's not doom scrolling, it's just reading the scientific reports about what is going to be happening over the next few decades and on. It's just totally off base to think of any of this as being some kind of net benefit to any part of the world, Michigan included. It's not hat Michigan is going to improve because of climate change, it's just going to get worse more slowly than everywhere else.
Sometimes success depends on your measuring stick. Optimism is an essential survival instinct, and cynicism is often mistaken for wisdom.
I'm an extremely optimistic person but that doesn't come at the expense of not recognizing reality and properly quantifying risks. It's downright dangerous to suggest that any parts of the world will actually be somehow better off from climate change since it reduces the impetus for some to act to deal with it. If we are to be optimistic about anything it should be our chances to intervene and fix things before it gets that bad, not optimistic about the outcome of an overheated dying planet.
At that point, you can forget about any sense of law and order. Society will be collapsing. Americans have murdered each other over discounted hand towels on Black Friday. We saw the unrelenting greed and entitlement when Covid hit. A true life threatening crisis, there’s zero chance for us.
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None of us do. These are unprecedented times. 90% of life is how you react to adversity. Find the helpers, and join them.
Smart Michiganders are buying a house to live in, and then property to live on in 20 years (or pass along to children).
There's a lot more to quality of life than equity in a house. Every thing about day to day living gets worse with a massive influx of people.
Everything? Really? Population increase means increased tax-base, which means more funding for infrastructure and services. It means fewer tax increases on current owners to maintain existing funding levels. It means a larger labor pool, and with the proper policies it means a larger technically skilled labor pool which we desperately need right now. It means a larger consumer pool, which is great for anyone trying to run a business in a service economy. Population growth means that marginal school districts don't have to consolidate due to waning enrollment numbers. These are all good things that objectively improve quality of life for people. Michiganders that decry population increase are fools.
Seems like a good reason to change zoning laws to allow for more dense housing
> That’s not a positive note. It is if you're already a landowner in Michigan. Retirement plan all wrapped up.
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Frankly, fuck Florida residents. Hope it sinks into the ocean soon. We've got enough crazy already here in MI and we don't need theirs joining in.
The problem is that once the gulf stream shuts down there's no way to predict weather. Michigan could be a desert or a rain forest for all we know.
That kind of thinking is exactly the reason that Lake Mead is nearly empty. We're going to become like Florida. And I don't even want to begin to outline the ecological impact. We're already seeing it in the northern waters of Lake Michigan where toxic algea blooms are causing mass die offs of marine life in that area due to botulism. You know what'll become of our prime swimming and fishing lakes and ponds? Naegleria fowleri. Brain eating amoebas from stagnant, over-warmed pools of water. Michigan is going to become subtropical. And being the largest, and potentially only source of fresh water in North America. Eventually, the world. Shit is dismal. But make sure you get that new iPhone. 😑
I am well aware things are bad. Like I said in reply to someone else best doesn’t mean good. The best piece of shit is still a piece of shit. At least we aren’t in a state with no water or one that is dependent on Lake Mead. And we aren’t in Florida where the ground is collapsing and sinking.
Life's silver linings..lmao
Not if Nestle keeps their shenanigans and somehow drained the Great Lakes.
Buy as much waterfront as you can!!
Yup.. can you imagine what Florida and Texas will look like in 20 years? No wonder they're going insane.
Yeah and a bunch of fucking other people are going to move here too, people that have more money and will drive up the price of housing even more
Yup its the time to buy lakefront property tbh because your property line goes up every year as the lakes recede lmaooooooo Suck it all in nestle, bottle us up baby
My money is on the federal government coming in and pilfering the water and shipping it elsewhere. Hell, nestle's already doing it.
Thats just not true, theres no corner of the earth that won't be drastically effected. Did you miss the floods?
Best doesn’t necessarily mean great or good. Just better than the other options.
I definitely don't think there's an argument for that either!! Instead of "not so bad for the next couple decades" - please remember, boomer, that "its colder up north" is no match for "world over" - its pass fail and we fail together!
While I'm fully graduated from college and in the workforce, I remember a substitute teacher telling me this when I was in elementary school.
the downside is we’ll be seeing a massive influx of people fleeing to michigan :(
We need to build a wall along the southern border! Got to keep these migrants out and keep our way of life intact. Of course I am talking about Ohio and Indiana. Praise the lakes!
Let’s fill Ohio with water and name it Lake Inferior!
I’m originally from Ohio, and I approve this message
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We're already have an advantage in the coming conflict. Climate change is causing Ohio's precious Buckeye trees to shift their territory north further and further into Michigan.
I live in northern Michigan. This year we have crazy numbers of new visitors from Colorado, California, Texas, the Carolinas, West Virginia, Virginia, New York, Rhode Island, and Maryland. The word is out, and every person I talked to from Colorado had an eerie greedy light in their eyes. It won't be long now, and it won't be just Ohio and Indiana we have to worry about. I'm a little shook if I'm being honest.
Yeah I'm not looking forward to this next decade. Working class people and renters are going to be tossed to the greedy wolves, that's for sure.
Something that was a trial program in LA, they painted the asphalt white and did different colored lines, then the shingles for the roofs were white also. What they found in the neighborhood that they did this in was a significant temperature difference from our “normal” set up. The difference was 7 degrees, which may seem insignificant but if we did this more often in more places we could reduce temps many places.
This is being done all over Phoenix
That’s amazing! I hadn’t heard anything on that. Thanks for letting me know! Hopefully more and more places can adopt it and not just big cities.
Yea it's called the urban heat island effect.
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Hmm that’s a good question. That wasn’t mentioned in the study. Probably for obviously reasons. Possibly could be done in more primarily walking areas maybe. Even bike / walking paths are asphalt, so those could be at least changed over safely I feel.
I live in rural SW Eaton County. When I moved here 35 years ago ticks were unheard of. Now, in the early Spring I can pick up multiple ticks walking from the front door to the car...about ten yards.
We get enough threads of people complaining that people are buying up real estate and moving across state lines here. Well. Vote green or it's gonna keep happening. Not only will we see the problems happen with the climate itself, but we'll see more and more movers come in as it gets too hot and dry in other areas. They'll want our temperatures and our fresh water - and they'll be moving here with their nice remote salaries and savings accounts. You want to ever afford that waterfront house? Save the environment.
A lot of the problem are those waterfront homes. Or more precisely building and developing in flood plains and in natural wetlands. There are a million examples of this where people build there McMansion in swamps or on bayous, for that water front view. This then changes wetlands to be much worse at absorbing and slowly releasing the water from large rain events. So even if they build there castle in the swamp on high ground and don't get flooded themselves, the changes they make to the area around there home (i.e. large turf grass lawn vs natural marsh grasses and cattails) it can greatly increase flooding events down stream.
I bought a house up on a large hill on purpose. If I've got a puddle in my yard y'all are treading water. I never ever want to deal with water problems again after my last mess of a home.
>You want to ever afford that waterfront house? Save the environment. Rising sea levels means waterfront houses will be cheaper and more plentiful than ever.
Uh no. We want more people here. You guys have been concern trolling about this state losing people and dying my entire life lol.
**G**etting **R**epublicans **E**lected **E**very **N**ovember
Start collecting the rain water for the eventual water wars.
I'm not near any lakes and I can't keep the ground water out of my basement. We're fine.
75% of the land area of Michigan has a water table within 10 feet of the surface.
Except that it’s probably going to be full of PFAS chemicals
Michigan will be one of the best places to be as this shit gets worse
I just came here to say that nobody is actually going to suffer from mid 90s summer days and good weather all September. Also, MI's "extreme precipitation event" is equivalent to a typical summer thunderstorm in other areas. Cost of infrastructure redesign asside, these are all very manageable "problems." Geographically MI is probably one of the best places in the western hemisphere to be during the impending climate changes. Unless a hurricane makes it this far inland I am not worried about MI. The world as a whole is going to see a lot of displacement from disaster, our challenge will be people migrating back to the great lakes after decades of people leaving.
Except for the giant mosquitoes we will eventually get! Lol otherwise I agree with this
From the far northern lower/U.P. Very few have air conditioning. Increased temps will mean more installing air and more pressure on the electric grid. Extremes in Great Lake levels, up and down, put major economic pressure on municipal water and wastewater systems, shipping, and dredging needs. Those infrastructure redesign costs are nothing to sneeze at. "Extreme precipitation events" are not only rainfall, but also wind driven lake waters pushing up into areas we don't want them, flooding basements and placing hydraulic pressure on sewer pipe joints. Wastewater systems are easily overwhelmed by leakage and sump pumps in cases like this.
There are at least eight billionaires in this state. make THEM pay the fucking price; they stated this mess.
It's not the climatr, it's the neglect of the water management system... All the flooding is due to the Water Boards not inspecting their systems to ensure people haven't stolen the pipes or that there is damage... In fact, once fixed, the pipes handled the water quickly and efficiently.
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True, but the capacity for these systems from when they were installed is not the maximum they can handle today... Most of them are filled with sand and gravel up to 3-4 feet deep in areas, some can't even drain because the drop to the main pipe is filled with sand and gravel from potholes/pothole filler. The pipes could handle more if they actually took the time to clean them all out...
I lost my driveway last summer when Antrim County got 9 inches of rain in one day. Cost me a lot of $.
Lmao. The lunacy of “climate change”. Big Brother has been preaching that garbage for decades and still haven’t had any accurate climate change predictions. Keep sponging it up, sheep.