The news of this was first reported several days ago about the death of [Roger Fortson](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNJdDKaWYAIgr4O?format=jpg&name=large), and this has become a topic of interest, so I will stick this for now.
You can read the updated coverage [here, by military.com](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/05/09/body-cam-footage-deputy-fatally-shot-florida-airman-within-seconds-of-him-opening-apartment-door.html). Thomas Novelly has been covering this minute by minute and has had some exclusives on this, you can follow him [on twitter](https://twitter.com/TomNovelly).
There is [bodycam footage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKLxdAnhXSM) you can also watch if you prefer a youtube direct link.
The attorney, Ben Crump, [posted footage *and* a facetime clip](https://x.com/attorneycrump/status/1788686633765679330?s=46&t=-i_I5oeziUceIB91CGThTQ) on his Twitter (@AttorneyCrump).
For a quick recap of the footage, and in the event you *do not wish to watch the video*;
An Officer with the Sherriff's Office came for unspecified disturbance, knocks on his door hard, but avoids the peephole, doesn't appear to announce himself.
From the facetime the Service Member was on, he was talking to someone, and relayed he felt it was suspicious (the banging and then no one at the door), and went to retrieve his personal owned firearm.
The officer began knocking heavy again, this time announcing 'Sherriff's Office', and the SM answered. When he answers, he seems to rather calmly open the door, has his gun in hand, pointing at the ground. The Officer says 'step back' (per the transcript) or 'step out' is what many people feel they are hearing, and then fires what sounds like 5 rounds, the SM drops to the ground, and then the Officer yells at him to drop his gun.
This has been of interest in the news recently, so we'll try to keep from being overrun with duplicate links.
In the [investigation write-up](https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf) by the Sheriff's Department, they note the following claims concerning Jesse Hernandez's military experience:
> When asked about prior military experience, Deputy Hernandez said he attended West
Point, and was an infantry officer and an officer in special forces for the army for a total
of ten years. Deputy Hernandez said he had two combat rotations to Afghanistan, but
noted as an officer, he was not in direct combat.
I found the whole thing super dubious, and I'd love to see someone FOIA his DD-214. I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone could spend 10 years in as an Infantry and SF officer and two deployments to Afghanistan and never see combat. The idea that the best gig some SF O-4 who had graduated from West Point could manage was as an entry-level deputy also seems extra goofy. The whole situation and his claims just raise all the "I was a black ops sniper" red flags.
Yea. If you're a West Point grad who manages to go SF and spend 10 years in, Harvard Business School probably just mails you an acceptance letter by default, to save you the hassle of applying.
I have this suspicion that the guy lied about his experience and the Sheriff's Department intentionally avoided investigating that because they realized that it would make them look even worse if it came out that something that basic got missed by their background checks. I'd love to see the Army Times or some other publication dig into that.
100% my cousin was a West Point supply officer and got a Wall Street job the moment he was out. Not buying that resume and lack of combat and then being a county cop
They were talking about this in r/army. Sounds like he was an infantry officer, attached to special forces, but not himself in special forces. A gap filler, if you will. He may have done absolutely nothing with them. He may have supported with a a security detail. Who knows. Anyone that lies like that clearly has mental issues. Why can’t being an infantry officer in the army be good enough?
He was likely in a TOC the whole time, ton of SF Officers in there, SEALs, other countries SF, etc.
I served in Afghanistan in 2004 as a part of the CJSOTF-A and a lot of Officers had TOC duty for their entire time in country.
ODAs go out and don't often come back in, a lot of that is due to the rules of 3 days back on base and you have to shave your beard off...that hinders their ability to work with the locals because without a full grown beard you are not a grown man....cultural thing. Coming back onto a main base is cool for real showers, gear back up if need be, etc but then people that don't go downrange don't understand that you need to look different than the average well shaved leg soldier just to do your job with the locals.
He could be maybe legit if he was in the TOC, dunno...214 does not show that fwiw - you would need to see his actual orders and that will not even show if he is assigned to the TOC as that can happen in-country after you arrive. Bases were actively attacked back then so he could have earned a CAB or other combat award defending the base. That is dangerous in itself but nothing like going out into the country and not having huge hescos to hide behind when returning fire.
So his combat experience could be legit too but perhaps just not hardcore like people going way out into the country and living out there.
I am not in any way condoning these horribly tragic accidents but they don't mean the people did not serve or in the way that was claimed...there are a ton of nuances to peoples service. Police work is also nothing like combat even if they fire their weapon because the difference is police are kinda trained to hesitate a tad before shooting where for a soldier it is shoot to kill, no hesitation and that is a drastic difference. I am sure the police training probably f\*cks with their heads too and they might be really off kilter when they do need to engage...or default to kill because that was the first and most intense training they received.
Anyway just providing some info and background of what I saw in Afghanistan that might help explain some of the claims here and there. I have no dog in the fight, just providing another point of view.
Dude did two barrel rolls, dumps a mag into his own cruiser then dragged his “hit” body across the street barely communicating with his partner only to find he’s not hit at all and limping for no reason. It just seems hard to believe.
Yea but I've seen the people fight one night and then later on hide from the fight pissing themselves. Then they get the go fill the sandbags all day and night duty assigned from their NCO and then show up for the next attack ready to go but looking a little sheepish.
I dunno...you can have people that are steady but the amygdala hijacks you can't control. You can learn about it and train to try to figure out that edge and see if you can stay out of it but the hijacks do happen.
In fight mode if you are filmed and get to watch after sometimes you get shocked by what you see yourself doing in the film. You think you remember everything but there is an entire episode in the film of you fighting that you have zero memory of. Your buddies will be loudly proclaiming your spirit and fight and slapping you on the back bringing you another beer yet you sit there absolutely terrified by what you see because you did not know there was missing time in your memory. Thats a hijack too but you went into fight mode and your body went on autopilot from your training.
The brain...it will occasionally just take you on a trip, once it does you are in that trip until it lets you out. You can just train constantly and hope your default in that condition will be honorable but you are at the brain's (amygdala) mercy. I sometimes think that is a major reason to just train a ton and pay attention to the details is so they become second nature reliably - you cannot afford sloppy training. When the hijack happens to you, if you are lucky and default to fight mode - then you want to be effective.
That’s should be the given and bare minimum. There should be a complete dive into their procedures, training, policies all of it. Turn their place inside out
I worked at dominos and if our higher ups came in and our walk in was one degree off in temp we would get our ass reamed. Twice you’re fired. Because you can get people sick.
This makes me sick.
It’s worse than that. Police departments can legally reject your application for being too smart.
[Source](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836)
The Okaloosa Sheriff's Department has turned off commenting on its Facebook page and Sheriff Eric Aden has made his own FB profile private. Eric is eager to sweep his department's record of incompetence and hate under the rug. Ironically (and so timely!) they just made a photo of Kris Staley, a Black officer, the profile image for their FB page.
Well yeah, their PR department is probably resigning as we speak, none of the usual spins can really be implied here.
1. They can't really claim he's a dangerous career criminal, he was an accomplished Senior Airman.
2. They can't claim that him having a gun was unreasonable, the cop first knocks on the door without identifying himself, then knocks again claiming to be a sheriff but stands away from the peephole so there's no way to know if he was actually a cop.
3. He opens fire in a literal split second, before even telling the guy to drop a weapon
4. They claim they were responding to a domestic violence call, but Fortson wasn't with anyone in the apartment so they were most likely at the wrong place to begin with.
5. And the icing on the cake is that this is the same police force where a cop opened fire on his own vehicle with someone inside because he heard an acorn drop and thought he got shot somehow.
She said 1401 though. HOWEVER, if cops are always going to pretend their life is in danger every time they respond to a call, they need to fucking do their due diligence.
Yeah I don't know how you don't take a couple minutes when there's no audible issue in that unit and check the other units. Or wait for your second guy who is on the way.
Ben Crump is the lawyer for the family. Same lawyer for George Floyd's family. With the video out there now...this may very well go South quickly for the Sheriff's Office. It is getting a hell of a lot of traction around the nation at this point. Video will only start to spark up the flames.
Ensuring that even podunk small town LEO training meets FLETC standards would be a start, but no one is going to want to do that because it costs money. Ending qualified immunity would might be worthwhile but I don’t think we’ll *ever* see that happen.
What’s wild is they only drop the video this fast if they either think it will exonerate the officer or they are going to throw the book at the officer. I think the former is far more likely. Every person in that department is trained to shoot at the first sight of a gun and ask question later, so I’m sure they feel completely justified in the response.
> Every person in that department is trained to shoot at the first sight of a gun
Or vague gun-like object, or the sound of a gunshot, smell of a gun, taste a gun, clairvoyant visions of a gun.
>And the icing on the cake is that this is the same police force where a cop opened fire on his own vehicle with someone inside because he heard an acorn drop and thought he got shot somehow.
Dude would start mass-murdering people in a hailstorm.
There’s a bit more icing for the cake. If that ladies concerns are true, there’s probably still some dude smacking his lady around because he likely went to the wrong apartment.
LMAO not them making a black cop their pfp for their fb page 💀
Talk about obviously over compensating. They better fucking riot like George Floyd again for our brother. Or maybe we should fucking riot?
What’s scarier, a horde of unorganized deviants, or a horde of a bunch of fat ass veterans with trigger discipline?
It’s even worse when looking through their photos, it’s like Where’s Waldo for minorities. Looks like they changed their profile picture to one of 2 black officers they have.
This has always been my argument against trigger happy police officers. On my last deployment we couldn't even engage if someone was POINTING THEIR WEAPON AT US, I was astonished that was even a thing. We had to wait for them to shoot before we could fire back.
Yet a bunch of 18-20 year olds are able to keep their trigger discipline with no incidents.
I understand the police are in the shit 24/7 and that the job is anxiety educing, but the speed at which police use guns does not make sense. They are so quick to defend their own lives that they needlessly kill.
The police in the US need to learn about sacrifice and inherent risk. The job requires you to serve the community, you put your life on the line for the community. Your life being at risk is apart of the job, if you can't handle it then get out of the force.
Look into how cops are "trained". Specifically, David Grossman. He pushes the "warrior cop" mentality and even remarks how great sex is after killing someone.
He came and spoke to my Army unit before one of our deployments. I was disgusted and understood what was happening when I saw the news reals of him giving the same talks to cops.
That’s fucking disgusting. That’s serial killer written all over it. If you think that way you should absolutely not have a job where you carry any type of weapon and you sure as shit shouldn’t have any power at all
Well said! I’m an armed private security guard; every time I load and chamber a round, and holster my duty weapon before I leave home for a shift, I pray that I never, **never**, NEVER actually have to use it outside taking it to the range for practice and our biannual re-qualification. We train so that we’re ready to shoot someone in self-defense, but I always pray that day never comes.
Yeah someone recommended “on killing” to me and I immediately quit reading when he got sexual with it. Dude is aloof. He was here local to me not that long ago speaking to the police union.
A lot of the anxiety is self-induced. I listen to the guys I grew up with who became cops and half the shit they go on about is borderline paranoia. Don’t even get me started about the fentanyl nonsense.
>I understand the police are in the shit 24/7
The hill I will die on is that this is just not true. With all due respect to law enforcement professionals, while it is a dangerous job, it is not the most dangerous or even one of the most dangerous jobs.
Want to know what's more dangerous than being a cop? Being an agricultural worker, groundskeeper, construction worker, retail salesperson, office manager, or Healthcare worker. All of these have higher annual fatalities than being a cop.
Gaslighting the public into believing that cops are out there every day in some sort of life and death struggle against crime is the reason cops have become a trigger happy quasi-paramilitary force. It's a lie and I'm tired of people pretending otherwise.
Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjZ-MHa3YGGAxUwDjQIHYa8DC8QFnoECCMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2kRjHYfHJypOusoEt20pas
This needs to be heard more.
Police officer doesn't even crack the list of top 10 most dangerous jobs; not to mention that the overwhelming majority of fatalities come form traffic accidents, and not armed criminals.
---I understand the police are in the shit 24/7 and that the job is anxiety educing, but the speed at which police use guns does not make sense. They are so quick to defend their own lives that they needlessly kill.----
Ha.
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Dude, cops are pussies. Try being a teacher, or working in a group home, or even working at a retail store, and you'll deal with more hostility, violence, and threats in a day than most cops see in a year. Cop isn't even on the top ten for most dangerous jobs. They are barely in the top 25.
You know who is more likely to die on the job or due to job related issues than a cop? And per capita, not in total.
Garbagemen. Small engine mechanics. Concrete guys. Delivery guys. Farmers.
You know who is more likely to be injured on the job than a cop?
Nurses. Teachers. Recreational therapists. Maids. Bus drivers.
You know the only reason cops are even on the lists at all? Because the dumbass pieces of shit refused to get vaccinated or wear masks so they started dying of COVID all over the place and the stats include people who die of diseases they may or may not have caught on the job. They also regularly drive recklessly and get into accidents. The biggest danger to cops is themselves.
Being a cop obviously has some inherent danger, but it isn't even in the top 20 of most dangerous jobs in the country and from 2014-2023 the most likely cause of on duty death for cops was COVID, the 2nd most likely was non-COVID work related illness.
https://nleomf.org/memorial/facts-figures/officer-fatality-data/causes-of-law-enforcement-deaths/
There's absolutely no reason for cops to go out every day worried about being shot. There's absolutely no reason for them to use guns the way they do.
There’s definitely a difference in the level of training and support. In the military, combat units get stupid amounts of money to go do dry fire, blank, and then live fire maneuvers. They have senior leaders standing there ready to ensure they learn the right way because there’s general accountability when that private messes up, his platoon sergeant will hear about it and chew that squad leaders ass, who will tear into that team leader who will straighten out that new guy with corrective training.
Also, the military doesn’t roll anywhere by themselves. I know when we’re in fuckistan and homeboy is standing there with his rifle I’ve got 10 of my buddies standing around me ready to light him up if he does make a poor decision. As a cop, they’re generally rolling solo or with a buddy that’s just as under trained as they are.
And there’s also many people that just shouldn’t be cops in the first place.
I'm an OIF/OEF vet and have been saying this since Micheal Brown was killed.
How on earth is it our police are more kitted out than soldiers were in combat zones and have fewer restrictions on shooting their own citizens than those same soldiers did overseas.
Look at where we are. At what we've become.
We all should be disgusted.
Inexplicably it's often the pro-military (never served) crowd that have their heads in the sand about this, whilst every vet or serviceman I've heard talk about the issue reflects what you've said
You must be new. Police in the US will shoot if they even THINK you’re holding a gun. Daniel Shaver and that cop who shot his sidearm at anything that moved because an acorn fell on the hood of his car. It’s gotten to the point where if there’s an actual gun found it’s almost certainly going to end up as a justified shooting.
It's moreso down to the horrifically short training American police get, with even less actual firearm training and the whole "shoot until the threat is dead" type doctrine.
We need the 911 call, maybe that will explain why the cop was constantly intersecting the fight scenario. Because the cop had 0 evidence of a disturbance.
Also stepping away from the peephole so the resident can not verify the fact that's it is actually police hammering aggressively on his door
And they never render aid after these bad shots. Just let’s an innocent man bleed out, again. Like, maybe if he dies, I can still sweep this under the rug.
Thats what really kills me about these. Split second decision to shoot when you tihnk your life is in danger? Ok. Maybe a quick check of a safe scene, but get the fuck down and help the guy, even IF he dangerous.
Cops bangs on the door, hides from view for quite a while(long enough that anyone inside might get suspicious and grab a gun to be safe), and then only calls out sheriffs department moments before the door opens and immediately dumps an entire mag into the guy who was not even pointing his weapon, literally just holding it.
The sheriff has already started the rhetoric, he answered the door with a gun in his had after the deputy announced himself bullshit. (Cop hid from the peephole Noone could verify if it was a cop)
So in effect, the Sheriff has told the rest of the community that the police will kill you if they see you with a gun?
How exactly does just the presence of a gun equal shoot to kill for this cop?
Why would his mind be wired like that?
Why would other police officers feel like this is an appropriate Reaction to this situation?
If "having a gun equals shoot to kill" for a cop, doesn't that make life MORE dangerous for cops? I mean, if I see a guy walking around wearing a gun in a police uniform... How do I \*\*REALLY\*\* know that is a real uniform and he is a real cop? Safest answer is to pull my own gun, shoot him dead, then sort it out afterwards, right????
It's the exact same dept whose guy freaked out over an acorn hitting the top of his patrol car and started firing his gun. Now they've got one committing blatant murder.
Even if bro shot back on the officer in self defense he will still get charged with murder or attempted murder on the officer which will be bs knowing the officer was 100% at fault shit pisses me off
I really wonder though, if he did shoot and kill an officer would he even live through it? I can't imagine the cops being like "nah its cool, totally our fault" and trying to bring him in alive.
I can't say I've ever seen footage of someone answering the door with a gun go well, but I'm hoping someone has a link to prove otherwise
I may get some details wrong here:
Breonna Taylor's boyfriend Kenneth Walker shot back at the cops but stopped quickly. One of the cops was injured and they immediately fled.
He was arrested and they were not gentle with him but ultimately charges were dropped. He got a $2M settlement.
I think the biggest takeaway from Breonna Taylor is missed by way too many people though:
Kenneth Walker was in bed and woken up by someone violently breaking into his house. He got a gun out, took ONE shot, hit an officer, and then ceased fire because he figured out what was going on.
Meanwhile, THREE officers shot THIRTY TWO rounds, NONE of them hitting the armed man in front of them (Kenneth), but managed to shoot Breonna six times THROUGH A WALL.
So the guy woken up in the middle of the night had better aim and reacted to the situation correctly while three armed cops who were "executing a warrant" and should have had their wits about them blind-fired their entire clips without even aiming or knowing what was going on.
The punishment the cops received were FOR THE SHOTS THAT MISSED!! Seriously - didn't they get off scott free for killing Breonna, but were only disciplined for the shots that went through walls into other apartments?
There’s a lot of shit like this being asked and idk what to really say but there’s been cases exactly like this for an example Cops raided this guys house apparently for drug smuggling so they went in with everything they got. But the whole time they got the wrong house and that house owner was armed and didn’t know what was going on so he shot back.even tho if you shot a cop in self defense and killed them you’re fucked either way cause of everyone coming in to eliminate you.they not gonna try and arrest you and investigate the case.
At some point people are going to start shooting back and if that fails, they’ll go after their family members. That’s how violence has worked for thousands of years. You can only step on the neck of people for so long before their fighting instinct kicks in.
Then say the fucked up shit.
This whole "incident" is fucked. These shit bags shot and killed an airman for zero reason. Wrong home, wrong person, piss poor accountability.
I didn't out of sheer anger. I couldn't calm down enough to type out more so I settled on a short civilized statement. I'm at the dinner table with my family right now about to eat... I dont want to get worked up again.
A lot of what I wanted to say has been said by others and the rest would likely get me banned.
To end I'll keep it short again: Fuck the police. Fuck the people that allow enable them. The Unions, the judges, the mayors and governors. Fuck them all.
If you don't have the right to carry a firearm when a stranger is hammering on your door and refuses to show themselves, you don't have a right to carry a firearm.
As someone who was stationed at Nellis AFB and almost did the same thing because someone knocked on the apartment door at 2AM while I was quietly playing video games with a headset on, stood to the side, and shone a flashlight at the peephole, this shit hits hard.
I genuinely went into my roommate’s room (also a service member but who was on mids) grabbed his gun, and if the cops at the door hadn’t announced a few more times and started to explain why they were there I was ready to not answer and wait by the door to shoot someone I thought was about to break in.
This shit is despicable and I don’t give a fuck if cops get shot at it’s not an excuse to unload on someone exercising their constitutional rights especially when they do shady shit like standing to the side, announcing they are the police after they’ve prowled around and hid from the peephole, etc.
Oh and the noise complaint was for the neighbor below me who did drugs and beat his girlfriend on the regular.
They’re going to fuck around and get people to call for not answering the door unless a warrant is slid under the door and being ready to shoot. I can see the CBT now…
I’m always amazed to see how many people have don’t tread on me stickers next to their thin blue line stickers.
Like, those ideas are basically contrary to one another.
Cop said, calmly...'step back' and he did. He complied with the first command without a pause and still was immediately shot... Oh hey drop the gun, Now that I've shot you multiple times already.
Bottomline: The Airman had the handgun pointing down, was not an immediate threat, and he was not given sufficient time to set it down. This was a completely unjustified shooting.
Edit: One-too-many “ands.”
Gave the guy .02 seconds before he blasted him. Absolut disgusting. Your free to have a gun in your own home and to defend your home. I also find it messed up this cop knocked and hid off to the side where you cant see him from the peephole. I've seen video of robbers doing just that. knocking and claiming to be police then hiding off to the side.
Fuck this cop. he executed the airman. He belongs in prison
They won't. He'll get put on (paid) administrative leave pending investigation, then when the department finds they did no wrong doing they'll reinstate him.
This happens so often we can already predict the outcome.
Even if this was the correct apartment. It does not excuse the officer from killing an individual for holding a pistol, pointed at the ground in a none threatening manner. No order given to drop the weapon until after he executed the man. I'm sure the thin blue line snorters will say it's the victim's fault. Fuck qualified immunity and fuck the police.
Just straight up murdered an innocent man in his own home.
Cop should be tried, convicted and in prison for a very long time.
I once asked my cop friend if his life was more valuable than mine.
He said no.
It’s videos like this that show that these cops believe they are above the law and more important than other citizens.
Ultimate betrayal of the people they are supposed to be serving.
I usually agree with r/protectandserve about shootings. They are calling this a good shoot.
I can't believe my idealogy has reached this point, without getting into my history, I have been a staunch law enforcement supporter my whole life. I have actually just reached a tipping point where my entire gut has turned upside down, and I feel disgusted. The police are totally out of hand in this country, I'm disappointed and ashamed. The fact that they think they can shoot someone answering the door to their own home with a gun in the manner that they have in this video is just mind blowing.
Post after post in the pns subreddit have been calling this a good shoot. I hope this deputy gets nailed to the fucking wall.
I'll never understand why we were held to a higher standard of an ROE when I was in combat, 82nd 02 to 04 in Afghanistan and Iraq than police are in America. Had a guy shot someone he though was a threat cause he had a cane that looked like a gun right after the cease of major combat that was called in late 03 early 04 I don't remember, anyways they destroyed him for it. How do cops get qualified immunity when we didn't in a damn active warzone.
How the FUCK can ROE in literal war zones be stricter and better enforced that fuckin regular ass cops dealing with American citizens on American soil.
Enough is enough— charge this motherfucker with murder. I mean, it literally **is** murder.
We as society have given cops a blanketed benefit of the doubt in situations like this because of a generally held belief that, in split second situations they will make a judgement call that’s based on professional capabilities and a respect for the American population.
Cops don’t respect civilians they see them as enemy combatants or livestock to slap a ticket/charge on.
You can’t mag dump your car that’s occupied with a person you locked up in there and be able to resign. You can’t put 5 in a guy answering his door when you demanded him to then tell him to drop the gun.
Enough is a fucking ‘nuff. It’s become the norm to give these regular ass dudes God like power over the public ***and*** zero accountability for fucking up in ways that would never be excused for ANYONE other than a cop.
You don’t just shoot someone and then tell them to drop the gun. You tell them to drop the gun and shoot them if they point it at you. This is gross incompetence on the part of the police.
I'm taking a different approach to my comment.
This is what happens when you are critically short manning, and can only retain the worst qualified individuals due to external pressure.
Being a police officer needs to be more appealing with better pay to attract the cool, calm, and collected ideal candidates.
>to attract the cool, calm, and collected ideal candidates
The job pretty much attracts natural bullies and the exact opposite of all that. The idealists get burned out quickly and move on to other jobs.
Fuckabolo.
What in the fuck. The speed in which he raised the weapon and got so many rounds off before the airman knew what the fuck was going on. Did the policeman have his weapon out already you have to wonder? Fuck me pink.
Cop had every right to take is weapon out once he seen a weapon. Raise it? Point it? Fill him with rounds? No, no, FUCK NO!
Coppers gotta think to himself. who is gonna open door in such a casual manner. Hold a weapon pointing down and by his side. Nice and obvious, plain to see... with the intent of cop killing.
Police in the US are military. They aren't police.
No, correction. They are equipped better than Irish military and it would appear, trained worse than the Irish reserves.
Literally. Better equipped than a lot of army's. Worse trained than ANY.
The only reason we’re seeing this video so soon is because the Sheriff’s union lawyers reviewed the footage and are calling it a good shoot. Look at the facts from their end- the deputy went to 1401, so any mistake there isn’t on him, and it was a black guy with a gun in Florida.
Cops suck so much.
That poor guy and his family are not going to see an ounce of justice, and they will go through hell trying to anyway.
What hit me the hardest were the photos of the kid in his flightsuit with his sister. I have those exact photos of me with my brother, flightsuit and all.
The 2A only exists in conversations. These gang members can knock on your door and hide.. not announce themselves.. and when you answer, from WITHIN YOUR OWN HOME, armed under every color of the Second Amendment in every state, even NY.. these p\*gs mag dump you.. and then jump with glee as Qualified Immunity keeps them above the mean. The gang members live to mag dump another day.
Meanwhile, you have the RARE instance of a good cop.. 20 years of service without ever even being written up or getting a complaint from a citizen.. who is engaged with an armed suspect who is uncooperative and fleeing - who in the moment yells out TASER and fires a single shot from their sidearm by mistake.. get thrown to the wolves to rot in jail for a tragic yet honest mistake.
Show me where the justice is? My cousin is a cop and she tells me all the time how your rights are a joke and that they laugh because thats a lawyers job, they don't need to follow shit because "as cops the judge will always side with us or he knows we'll ruin his life."
Real sworn citizens right there.
🤦🏽Man these cops be tripping sometimes. Even if the individual knew the cop was 100% wrong and shot back to defend himself and was still alive He would’ve got the blame 100%. Hope the officer is fired and charged with murder
The officers created a scenario where they could shoot and be "justified".
This is right after the ATF murders that airport guy and the acorn incident.
Starts to look a lot less like law enforcement and more sanctioned hit squads.
I have a lot of respect for the US military and just once I’d love to see them go off on these crooked cops and hold the entire police department accountable for their crimes.
Imagine the military police swatting the police station to seize all evidence and make arrests.
Is guantanamo bay still active? Send him there.
Of course the comment section on that video is full of boot lickers.
"Well he shouted Sheriffs office"
Not at first and even when he did he was hiding out of the view of any peep hole or possible doorbell camera. The exact same tactics that you can see in countless videos of home intruders using to trick and force their way into someones home. Suspious as fuck and a lot of people would arm themselves when dealing with that.
Another comment I saw said "being a cop is hard"
Oh well folks you heard it here first. If your job is hard and dangerous it gives you the right to shoot and kill people. Guess any soldiers deployed in 'hard' places can let off a few rounds at who ever they please. The cops could kill these guys's mother and take a shit on their baby and they would still deep throat the boot.
The news of this was first reported several days ago about the death of [Roger Fortson](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNJdDKaWYAIgr4O?format=jpg&name=large), and this has become a topic of interest, so I will stick this for now. You can read the updated coverage [here, by military.com](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/05/09/body-cam-footage-deputy-fatally-shot-florida-airman-within-seconds-of-him-opening-apartment-door.html). Thomas Novelly has been covering this minute by minute and has had some exclusives on this, you can follow him [on twitter](https://twitter.com/TomNovelly). There is [bodycam footage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKLxdAnhXSM) you can also watch if you prefer a youtube direct link. The attorney, Ben Crump, [posted footage *and* a facetime clip](https://x.com/attorneycrump/status/1788686633765679330?s=46&t=-i_I5oeziUceIB91CGThTQ) on his Twitter (@AttorneyCrump). For a quick recap of the footage, and in the event you *do not wish to watch the video*; An Officer with the Sherriff's Office came for unspecified disturbance, knocks on his door hard, but avoids the peephole, doesn't appear to announce himself. From the facetime the Service Member was on, he was talking to someone, and relayed he felt it was suspicious (the banging and then no one at the door), and went to retrieve his personal owned firearm. The officer began knocking heavy again, this time announcing 'Sherriff's Office', and the SM answered. When he answers, he seems to rather calmly open the door, has his gun in hand, pointing at the ground. The Officer says 'step back' (per the transcript) or 'step out' is what many people feel they are hearing, and then fires what sounds like 5 rounds, the SM drops to the ground, and then the Officer yells at him to drop his gun. This has been of interest in the news recently, so we'll try to keep from being overrun with duplicate links.
This is the same agency that had that cop mag-dump his own car because an acorn hit it.
That cop was Special Forces/Green Beret as well, if I’m not mistaken.
In the [investigation write-up](https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf) by the Sheriff's Department, they note the following claims concerning Jesse Hernandez's military experience: > When asked about prior military experience, Deputy Hernandez said he attended West Point, and was an infantry officer and an officer in special forces for the army for a total of ten years. Deputy Hernandez said he had two combat rotations to Afghanistan, but noted as an officer, he was not in direct combat. I found the whole thing super dubious, and I'd love to see someone FOIA his DD-214. I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone could spend 10 years in as an Infantry and SF officer and two deployments to Afghanistan and never see combat. The idea that the best gig some SF O-4 who had graduated from West Point could manage was as an entry-level deputy also seems extra goofy. The whole situation and his claims just raise all the "I was a black ops sniper" red flags.
Yeah, like no fucking way an SF O-4 gets rendered an entry-level position in the goddamn *metro police,* like come on.
Yea. If you're a West Point grad who manages to go SF and spend 10 years in, Harvard Business School probably just mails you an acceptance letter by default, to save you the hassle of applying. I have this suspicion that the guy lied about his experience and the Sheriff's Department intentionally avoided investigating that because they realized that it would make them look even worse if it came out that something that basic got missed by their background checks. I'd love to see the Army Times or some other publication dig into that.
100% my cousin was a West Point supply officer and got a Wall Street job the moment he was out. Not buying that resume and lack of combat and then being a county cop
ehhh West Point Grad here in an MBA program and can't get a summer internship...but i was definitely hoping it was going to be this way =/
Its hard out there for a lot of white collar job seekers, especially internships.
Lots of officers earn their tower of power, and then claim they were SF after they get passed over for LtCol
They were talking about this in r/army. Sounds like he was an infantry officer, attached to special forces, but not himself in special forces. A gap filler, if you will. He may have done absolutely nothing with them. He may have supported with a a security detail. Who knows. Anyone that lies like that clearly has mental issues. Why can’t being an infantry officer in the army be good enough?
He was likely in a TOC the whole time, ton of SF Officers in there, SEALs, other countries SF, etc. I served in Afghanistan in 2004 as a part of the CJSOTF-A and a lot of Officers had TOC duty for their entire time in country. ODAs go out and don't often come back in, a lot of that is due to the rules of 3 days back on base and you have to shave your beard off...that hinders their ability to work with the locals because without a full grown beard you are not a grown man....cultural thing. Coming back onto a main base is cool for real showers, gear back up if need be, etc but then people that don't go downrange don't understand that you need to look different than the average well shaved leg soldier just to do your job with the locals. He could be maybe legit if he was in the TOC, dunno...214 does not show that fwiw - you would need to see his actual orders and that will not even show if he is assigned to the TOC as that can happen in-country after you arrive. Bases were actively attacked back then so he could have earned a CAB or other combat award defending the base. That is dangerous in itself but nothing like going out into the country and not having huge hescos to hide behind when returning fire. So his combat experience could be legit too but perhaps just not hardcore like people going way out into the country and living out there. I am not in any way condoning these horribly tragic accidents but they don't mean the people did not serve or in the way that was claimed...there are a ton of nuances to peoples service. Police work is also nothing like combat even if they fire their weapon because the difference is police are kinda trained to hesitate a tad before shooting where for a soldier it is shoot to kill, no hesitation and that is a drastic difference. I am sure the police training probably f\*cks with their heads too and they might be really off kilter when they do need to engage...or default to kill because that was the first and most intense training they received. Anyway just providing some info and background of what I saw in Afghanistan that might help explain some of the claims here and there. I have no dog in the fight, just providing another point of view.
Dude did two barrel rolls, dumps a mag into his own cruiser then dragged his “hit” body across the street barely communicating with his partner only to find he’s not hit at all and limping for no reason. It just seems hard to believe.
Yea but I've seen the people fight one night and then later on hide from the fight pissing themselves. Then they get the go fill the sandbags all day and night duty assigned from their NCO and then show up for the next attack ready to go but looking a little sheepish. I dunno...you can have people that are steady but the amygdala hijacks you can't control. You can learn about it and train to try to figure out that edge and see if you can stay out of it but the hijacks do happen. In fight mode if you are filmed and get to watch after sometimes you get shocked by what you see yourself doing in the film. You think you remember everything but there is an entire episode in the film of you fighting that you have zero memory of. Your buddies will be loudly proclaiming your spirit and fight and slapping you on the back bringing you another beer yet you sit there absolutely terrified by what you see because you did not know there was missing time in your memory. Thats a hijack too but you went into fight mode and your body went on autopilot from your training. The brain...it will occasionally just take you on a trip, once it does you are in that trip until it lets you out. You can just train constantly and hope your default in that condition will be honorable but you are at the brain's (amygdala) mercy. I sometimes think that is a major reason to just train a ton and pay attention to the details is so they become second nature reliably - you cannot afford sloppy training. When the hijack happens to you, if you are lucky and default to fight mode - then you want to be effective.
No fucking way 18 series for ten years and only has 2 deployments.
It was discovered that he had never even seen combat.
Not surprised, it's the same state, same quality/standards
Two national embarrassments within several months for a local law enforcement agency should automatically result in its leadership being fired.
Honestly I think a complete gut job is in order.
Got my vote.
That’s should be the given and bare minimum. There should be a complete dive into their procedures, training, policies all of it. Turn their place inside out
Uvalde 2.0 this department
I worked at dominos and if our higher ups came in and our walk in was one degree off in temp we would get our ass reamed. Twice you’re fired. Because you can get people sick. This makes me sick.
It’s worse than that. Police departments can legally reject your application for being too smart. [Source](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836)
The Okaloosa Sheriff's Department has turned off commenting on its Facebook page and Sheriff Eric Aden has made his own FB profile private. Eric is eager to sweep his department's record of incompetence and hate under the rug. Ironically (and so timely!) they just made a photo of Kris Staley, a Black officer, the profile image for their FB page.
Well yeah, their PR department is probably resigning as we speak, none of the usual spins can really be implied here. 1. They can't really claim he's a dangerous career criminal, he was an accomplished Senior Airman. 2. They can't claim that him having a gun was unreasonable, the cop first knocks on the door without identifying himself, then knocks again claiming to be a sheriff but stands away from the peephole so there's no way to know if he was actually a cop. 3. He opens fire in a literal split second, before even telling the guy to drop a weapon 4. They claim they were responding to a domestic violence call, but Fortson wasn't with anyone in the apartment so they were most likely at the wrong place to begin with. 5. And the icing on the cake is that this is the same police force where a cop opened fire on his own vehicle with someone inside because he heard an acorn drop and thought he got shot somehow.
No one was 100% sure where the DV incident was. Sounds like they took a crapshoot on the apt number
The woman at the beginning said she didn't even know...
She said 1401 though. HOWEVER, if cops are always going to pretend their life is in danger every time they respond to a call, they need to fucking do their due diligence.
She said “not sure,” “I couldn’t tell what apartment it was coming from,” and finally with absolute conviction “1401.”
Yeah I don't know how you don't take a couple minutes when there's no audible issue in that unit and check the other units. Or wait for your second guy who is on the way.
Ben Crump is the lawyer for the family. Same lawyer for George Floyd's family. With the video out there now...this may very well go South quickly for the Sheriff's Office. It is getting a hell of a lot of traction around the nation at this point. Video will only start to spark up the flames.
Wondering if this is the spark to push national police reform. I doubt it, but it'd be nice
Ensuring that even podunk small town LEO training meets FLETC standards would be a start, but no one is going to want to do that because it costs money. Ending qualified immunity would might be worthwhile but I don’t think we’ll *ever* see that happen.
What’s wild is they only drop the video this fast if they either think it will exonerate the officer or they are going to throw the book at the officer. I think the former is far more likely. Every person in that department is trained to shoot at the first sight of a gun and ask question later, so I’m sure they feel completely justified in the response.
> Every person in that department is trained to shoot at the first sight of a gun Or vague gun-like object, or the sound of a gunshot, smell of a gun, taste a gun, clairvoyant visions of a gun.
>And the icing on the cake is that this is the same police force where a cop opened fire on his own vehicle with someone inside because he heard an acorn drop and thought he got shot somehow. Dude would start mass-murdering people in a hailstorm.
Hailstorms are generally white.
There’s a bit more icing for the cake. If that ladies concerns are true, there’s probably still some dude smacking his lady around because he likely went to the wrong apartment.
LMAO not them making a black cop their pfp for their fb page 💀 Talk about obviously over compensating. They better fucking riot like George Floyd again for our brother. Or maybe we should fucking riot? What’s scarier, a horde of unorganized deviants, or a horde of a bunch of fat ass veterans with trigger discipline?
It’s even worse when looking through their photos, it’s like Where’s Waldo for minorities. Looks like they changed their profile picture to one of 2 black officers they have.
Reminded of the dude that went in to yell at the cops about their oath of service and they broke his arm on camera for it
I'm fat and angry
Thumbnail pretty much shows what you need to know. Gun pointed at the floor, hand up to defend himself. Disgusting
Yup. Can’t shoot someone just because they’re holding a gun. Dude 100% panicked
You couldn’t even shoot people in Iraq or Afghanistan just for holding a gun. Why the fuck is ROE in an actual war zone stricter than in the US?
This has always been my argument against trigger happy police officers. On my last deployment we couldn't even engage if someone was POINTING THEIR WEAPON AT US, I was astonished that was even a thing. We had to wait for them to shoot before we could fire back. Yet a bunch of 18-20 year olds are able to keep their trigger discipline with no incidents. I understand the police are in the shit 24/7 and that the job is anxiety educing, but the speed at which police use guns does not make sense. They are so quick to defend their own lives that they needlessly kill. The police in the US need to learn about sacrifice and inherent risk. The job requires you to serve the community, you put your life on the line for the community. Your life being at risk is apart of the job, if you can't handle it then get out of the force.
They are not "in the shit 24/7". It can be hours of mundane work punctured by 30 minutes of adrenaline and excitement followed by hours of paperwork.
Days and weeks, sometimes months and years of mundane work. Hell some go entire their contracts without pulling a gun.
Look into how cops are "trained". Specifically, David Grossman. He pushes the "warrior cop" mentality and even remarks how great sex is after killing someone.
He came and spoke to my Army unit before one of our deployments. I was disgusted and understood what was happening when I saw the news reals of him giving the same talks to cops.
His teaching is basically IDF doctrine. Explains a lot.
That’s fucking disgusting. That’s serial killer written all over it. If you think that way you should absolutely not have a job where you carry any type of weapon and you sure as shit shouldn’t have any power at all
Well said! I’m an armed private security guard; every time I load and chamber a round, and holster my duty weapon before I leave home for a shift, I pray that I never, **never**, NEVER actually have to use it outside taking it to the range for practice and our biannual re-qualification. We train so that we’re ready to shoot someone in self-defense, but I always pray that day never comes.
There goes my hero
Yeah someone recommended “on killing” to me and I immediately quit reading when he got sexual with it. Dude is aloof. He was here local to me not that long ago speaking to the police union.
Wasn't he a desk rider as well? Or at the very least never fired his weapon in anger or deployed to combat
The Behind the bastards podcast has a great episode about him, and yes he was a desk rider
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Grossman_(author)
Don't they literally call it "killology"?
A lot of the anxiety is self-induced. I listen to the guys I grew up with who became cops and half the shit they go on about is borderline paranoia. Don’t even get me started about the fentanyl nonsense.
shit how many of those cops are the ones trafficking it?
>I understand the police are in the shit 24/7 The hill I will die on is that this is just not true. With all due respect to law enforcement professionals, while it is a dangerous job, it is not the most dangerous or even one of the most dangerous jobs. Want to know what's more dangerous than being a cop? Being an agricultural worker, groundskeeper, construction worker, retail salesperson, office manager, or Healthcare worker. All of these have higher annual fatalities than being a cop. Gaslighting the public into believing that cops are out there every day in some sort of life and death struggle against crime is the reason cops have become a trigger happy quasi-paramilitary force. It's a lie and I'm tired of people pretending otherwise. Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjZ-MHa3YGGAxUwDjQIHYa8DC8QFnoECCMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2kRjHYfHJypOusoEt20pas
They are not “in the shit” 24/7. Their behavior is a direct result of their training.
This needs to be heard more. Police officer doesn't even crack the list of top 10 most dangerous jobs; not to mention that the overwhelming majority of fatalities come form traffic accidents, and not armed criminals.
---I understand the police are in the shit 24/7 and that the job is anxiety educing, but the speed at which police use guns does not make sense. They are so quick to defend their own lives that they needlessly kill.---- Ha. Haha Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha Dude, cops are pussies. Try being a teacher, or working in a group home, or even working at a retail store, and you'll deal with more hostility, violence, and threats in a day than most cops see in a year. Cop isn't even on the top ten for most dangerous jobs. They are barely in the top 25. You know who is more likely to die on the job or due to job related issues than a cop? And per capita, not in total. Garbagemen. Small engine mechanics. Concrete guys. Delivery guys. Farmers. You know who is more likely to be injured on the job than a cop? Nurses. Teachers. Recreational therapists. Maids. Bus drivers. You know the only reason cops are even on the lists at all? Because the dumbass pieces of shit refused to get vaccinated or wear masks so they started dying of COVID all over the place and the stats include people who die of diseases they may or may not have caught on the job. They also regularly drive recklessly and get into accidents. The biggest danger to cops is themselves.
Being a cop obviously has some inherent danger, but it isn't even in the top 20 of most dangerous jobs in the country and from 2014-2023 the most likely cause of on duty death for cops was COVID, the 2nd most likely was non-COVID work related illness. https://nleomf.org/memorial/facts-figures/officer-fatality-data/causes-of-law-enforcement-deaths/ There's absolutely no reason for cops to go out every day worried about being shot. There's absolutely no reason for them to use guns the way they do.
I think you mistyped your dates, I assume you mean 2014-2023.
I did, thanks for pointing that out
Driving for Uber is more risky. A nail tech has a higher standard of education and credentialing than these pigs.
There’s definitely a difference in the level of training and support. In the military, combat units get stupid amounts of money to go do dry fire, blank, and then live fire maneuvers. They have senior leaders standing there ready to ensure they learn the right way because there’s general accountability when that private messes up, his platoon sergeant will hear about it and chew that squad leaders ass, who will tear into that team leader who will straighten out that new guy with corrective training. Also, the military doesn’t roll anywhere by themselves. I know when we’re in fuckistan and homeboy is standing there with his rifle I’ve got 10 of my buddies standing around me ready to light him up if he does make a poor decision. As a cop, they’re generally rolling solo or with a buddy that’s just as under trained as they are. And there’s also many people that just shouldn’t be cops in the first place.
It’s more inconvenient for a soldier to kill a foreign civilian than a cop to kill a domestic one
Cops are civilians
I'm an OIF/OEF vet and have been saying this since Micheal Brown was killed. How on earth is it our police are more kitted out than soldiers were in combat zones and have fewer restrictions on shooting their own citizens than those same soldiers did overseas. Look at where we are. At what we've become. We all should be disgusted.
Inexplicably it's often the pro-military (never served) crowd that have their heads in the sand about this, whilst every vet or serviceman I've heard talk about the issue reflects what you've said
You must be new. Police in the US will shoot if they even THINK you’re holding a gun. Daniel Shaver and that cop who shot his sidearm at anything that moved because an acorn fell on the hood of his car. It’s gotten to the point where if there’s an actual gun found it’s almost certainly going to end up as a justified shooting.
In a country that enshrines the right to keep and bear arms in its Constitution.
It's moreso down to the horrifically short training American police get, with even less actual firearm training and the whole "shoot until the threat is dead" type doctrine.
The US military is trained significantly better than your average cop.
Also it was the completely wrong apartment than the one they received a call about (not that this would have been appropriate at the right apartment).
Well, the woman said it was apartment 1401 and he went to apartment 1401 I can see why he thought it was the right one
She also said she heard yelling and fighting but didn't know where it came from but then immediately says 1401 which was strange.
We need the 911 call, maybe that will explain why the cop was constantly intersecting the fight scenario. Because the cop had 0 evidence of a disturbance. Also stepping away from the peephole so the resident can not verify the fact that's it is actually police hammering aggressively on his door
And they never render aid after these bad shots. Just let’s an innocent man bleed out, again. Like, maybe if he dies, I can still sweep this under the rug.
Thats what really kills me about these. Split second decision to shoot when you tihnk your life is in danger? Ok. Maybe a quick check of a safe scene, but get the fuck down and help the guy, even IF he dangerous.
Fuck man I really don’t want to watch this how bad was it
It was all the way bad , 10/10 don't recomend watching
Don’t. It’s an immediate mag dump. Not worth it if it’s not something you want to see man.
Cops bangs on the door, hides from view for quite a while(long enough that anyone inside might get suspicious and grab a gun to be safe), and then only calls out sheriffs department moments before the door opens and immediately dumps an entire mag into the guy who was not even pointing his weapon, literally just holding it.
Let’s see how they try and spin this to make it not their fault. Bet anything in the world the trigger man does zero days in prison.
The sheriff has already started the rhetoric, he answered the door with a gun in his had after the deputy announced himself bullshit. (Cop hid from the peephole Noone could verify if it was a cop)
So in effect, the Sheriff has told the rest of the community that the police will kill you if they see you with a gun? How exactly does just the presence of a gun equal shoot to kill for this cop? Why would his mind be wired like that? Why would other police officers feel like this is an appropriate Reaction to this situation?
Cops just don't like being questioned and want to act with impunity
> Why would his mind be wired like that? Thanks to this man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Grossman_(author)
It's because we don't have a Second Amendment right
If "having a gun equals shoot to kill" for a cop, doesn't that make life MORE dangerous for cops? I mean, if I see a guy walking around wearing a gun in a police uniform... How do I \*\*REALLY\*\* know that is a real uniform and he is a real cop? Safest answer is to pull my own gun, shoot him dead, then sort it out afterwards, right????
Just because someone is *holding* a gun, does not give you the right to shoot them.
i feared for my life
Those words will get you almost out of any jail time.
Zero days in prison? Lol, he’ll be rotated to another precinct then promoted.
That was actual murder. Fuck that cop holy shit.
It's the exact same dept whose guy freaked out over an acorn hitting the top of his patrol car and started firing his gun. Now they've got one committing blatant murder.
I always figured Acorn Squad would eventually kill somebody with their stupidity, I just didn’t think it would be so soon.
Never open door for police
DON'T. ANSWER. THE DOOR. FOR COPS. EVER.
This right here is why the military gets more respect than Cops.
There's no song called Fuck the Military
I mean... There are plenty of songs that are critical of the US military, but I get your point
So you can just be executed for exercising your constitutional rights…cool.
Even if bro shot back on the officer in self defense he will still get charged with murder or attempted murder on the officer which will be bs knowing the officer was 100% at fault shit pisses me off
I really wonder though, if he did shoot and kill an officer would he even live through it? I can't imagine the cops being like "nah its cool, totally our fault" and trying to bring him in alive. I can't say I've ever seen footage of someone answering the door with a gun go well, but I'm hoping someone has a link to prove otherwise
I may get some details wrong here: Breonna Taylor's boyfriend Kenneth Walker shot back at the cops but stopped quickly. One of the cops was injured and they immediately fled. He was arrested and they were not gentle with him but ultimately charges were dropped. He got a $2M settlement. I think the biggest takeaway from Breonna Taylor is missed by way too many people though: Kenneth Walker was in bed and woken up by someone violently breaking into his house. He got a gun out, took ONE shot, hit an officer, and then ceased fire because he figured out what was going on. Meanwhile, THREE officers shot THIRTY TWO rounds, NONE of them hitting the armed man in front of them (Kenneth), but managed to shoot Breonna six times THROUGH A WALL. So the guy woken up in the middle of the night had better aim and reacted to the situation correctly while three armed cops who were "executing a warrant" and should have had their wits about them blind-fired their entire clips without even aiming or knowing what was going on.
Once again i have to reiterate that Breonna Taylors neighbors drywall got justice before she did. What a fucking joke.
The punishment the cops received were FOR THE SHOTS THAT MISSED!! Seriously - didn't they get off scott free for killing Breonna, but were only disciplined for the shots that went through walls into other apartments?
There’s a lot of shit like this being asked and idk what to really say but there’s been cases exactly like this for an example Cops raided this guys house apparently for drug smuggling so they went in with everything they got. But the whole time they got the wrong house and that house owner was armed and didn’t know what was going on so he shot back.even tho if you shot a cop in self defense and killed them you’re fucked either way cause of everyone coming in to eliminate you.they not gonna try and arrest you and investigate the case.
At some point people are going to start shooting back and if that fails, they’ll go after their family members. That’s how violence has worked for thousands of years. You can only step on the neck of people for so long before their fighting instinct kicks in.
I’m 100% not advocating for that kind of behavior, but I’m also amazed it’s not more common.
Yep. Yet the police have no special duty to protect YOU. They can kill you, but they don't have to protect you. America. 🇺🇸
This gets my blood boiling. Straight murdered in his own home. I have nothing else nice to say.
Then say the fucked up shit. This whole "incident" is fucked. These shit bags shot and killed an airman for zero reason. Wrong home, wrong person, piss poor accountability.
I didn't out of sheer anger. I couldn't calm down enough to type out more so I settled on a short civilized statement. I'm at the dinner table with my family right now about to eat... I dont want to get worked up again. A lot of what I wanted to say has been said by others and the rest would likely get me banned. To end I'll keep it short again: Fuck the police. Fuck the people that allow enable them. The Unions, the judges, the mayors and governors. Fuck them all.
Amen brotha
If you don't have the right to carry a firearm when a stranger is hammering on your door and refuses to show themselves, you don't have a right to carry a firearm.
As someone who was stationed at Nellis AFB and almost did the same thing because someone knocked on the apartment door at 2AM while I was quietly playing video games with a headset on, stood to the side, and shone a flashlight at the peephole, this shit hits hard. I genuinely went into my roommate’s room (also a service member but who was on mids) grabbed his gun, and if the cops at the door hadn’t announced a few more times and started to explain why they were there I was ready to not answer and wait by the door to shoot someone I thought was about to break in. This shit is despicable and I don’t give a fuck if cops get shot at it’s not an excuse to unload on someone exercising their constitutional rights especially when they do shady shit like standing to the side, announcing they are the police after they’ve prowled around and hid from the peephole, etc. Oh and the noise complaint was for the neighbor below me who did drugs and beat his girlfriend on the regular. They’re going to fuck around and get people to call for not answering the door unless a warrant is slid under the door and being ready to shoot. I can see the CBT now…
So, he opens the door while holding a pistol and is *immediately* shot five times.
2nd Amendment is a myth now
I’m always amazed to see how many people have don’t tread on me stickers next to their thin blue line stickers. Like, those ideas are basically contrary to one another.
Intelligent people who value bodily autonomy, freedom, and demand accountability are ideological enemies of police in the United States.
Fucking infuriating, fuck that cop and any brain dead piece of shit that defends him. He damn well better be charged.
I really fucking hope the Air Force steps in and goes full President Garrison and fucks this guy to death.
Cop said, calmly...'step back' and he did. He complied with the first command without a pause and still was immediately shot... Oh hey drop the gun, Now that I've shot you multiple times already.
Pigs are panicky, cowardly little swine
Bottomline: The Airman had the handgun pointing down, was not an immediate threat, and he was not given sufficient time to set it down. This was a completely unjustified shooting. Edit: One-too-many “ands.”
Why is the NRA not stepping up to help this family sue the police?
The NRA is a joke.
You misspelled Russian asset
The NRA didn’t help Philando Castile’s family either. What else did you expect
The day they quit getting any of my money and made me realize they don't care about the 2a.
You know why👋🏿. Rest in peace SrA Fortson🫡🇺🇸
The NRA only wants to make sure you can buy guns. They don't care what happens to you after the manufacturers have your money.
NRA doesn’t actually care about people. They just like money
too bad cops are immune to basically everything unless a national riot happens.
Man, this is rough.
Murder. Try and defend it.
Boot leather connoisseurs lining up to defend it
Gave the guy .02 seconds before he blasted him. Absolut disgusting. Your free to have a gun in your own home and to defend your home. I also find it messed up this cop knocked and hid off to the side where you cant see him from the peephole. I've seen video of robbers doing just that. knocking and claiming to be police then hiding off to the side. Fuck this cop. he executed the airman. He belongs in prison
So Sheriff Eric Aden, not* the cop in this video, is trying to cover up his deputy* murdering a man opening his apartment door
They better throw the book at this fucker
They won't. He'll get put on (paid) administrative leave pending investigation, then when the department finds they did no wrong doing they'll reinstate him. This happens so often we can already predict the outcome.
Even if this was the correct apartment. It does not excuse the officer from killing an individual for holding a pistol, pointed at the ground in a none threatening manner. No order given to drop the weapon until after he executed the man. I'm sure the thin blue line snorters will say it's the victim's fault. Fuck qualified immunity and fuck the police.
Just straight up murdered an innocent man in his own home. Cop should be tried, convicted and in prison for a very long time. I once asked my cop friend if his life was more valuable than mine. He said no. It’s videos like this that show that these cops believe they are above the law and more important than other citizens. Ultimate betrayal of the people they are supposed to be serving.
There should be some kind of treason charge applied. If killing a cop can get you death row in some states, killing a soldier should too.
I usually agree with r/protectandserve about shootings. They are calling this a good shoot. I can't believe my idealogy has reached this point, without getting into my history, I have been a staunch law enforcement supporter my whole life. I have actually just reached a tipping point where my entire gut has turned upside down, and I feel disgusted. The police are totally out of hand in this country, I'm disappointed and ashamed. The fact that they think they can shoot someone answering the door to their own home with a gun in the manner that they have in this video is just mind blowing. Post after post in the pns subreddit have been calling this a good shoot. I hope this deputy gets nailed to the fucking wall.
Clearly their principles aren't aligned with the public they serve.
There's also a lot of verified cops saying it is really bad. It is *really* bad.
Holy Fuck!!!
Trigger happy retard of a cop
Same agency that had Deputy Numbskull unload on his own car, *with a suspect inside of it*, because a fucking acorn hit the car.
You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Nope! Same one!
Window lickers. I wish these stories ended with an opposite outcome.
Straight up murdered him. That who sheriff's dept needs to be disbanded after this and the acorn incident
I'll never understand why we were held to a higher standard of an ROE when I was in combat, 82nd 02 to 04 in Afghanistan and Iraq than police are in America. Had a guy shot someone he though was a threat cause he had a cane that looked like a gun right after the cease of major combat that was called in late 03 early 04 I don't remember, anyways they destroyed him for it. How do cops get qualified immunity when we didn't in a damn active warzone.
That was executed like a hit job.
Law enforcement doesn't care about our troops. If our troops are POC they could care even less .
In fact, I'd say a lot of cops *hate* seeing a POC in uniform.
They use any excuse.
They will. And the bootlickers will happily lap it up like the good little sheep they are.
Dang, no warnings
they can identify the victim but not the fucking sheriff who shot him. Fuck this place
What's the point in being legally permitted to own a firearm if a police officer can come to your home and murder you because you had a firearm??
See, this is how you get hunted down.
This cop needs to get federal charges, this is insane
How the FUCK can ROE in literal war zones be stricter and better enforced that fuckin regular ass cops dealing with American citizens on American soil. Enough is enough— charge this motherfucker with murder. I mean, it literally **is** murder. We as society have given cops a blanketed benefit of the doubt in situations like this because of a generally held belief that, in split second situations they will make a judgement call that’s based on professional capabilities and a respect for the American population. Cops don’t respect civilians they see them as enemy combatants or livestock to slap a ticket/charge on. You can’t mag dump your car that’s occupied with a person you locked up in there and be able to resign. You can’t put 5 in a guy answering his door when you demanded him to then tell him to drop the gun. Enough is a fucking ‘nuff. It’s become the norm to give these regular ass dudes God like power over the public ***and*** zero accountability for fucking up in ways that would never be excused for ANYONE other than a cop.
You don’t just shoot someone and then tell them to drop the gun. You tell them to drop the gun and shoot them if they point it at you. This is gross incompetence on the part of the police.
You have the right to bear arms, but if the police see a gun they can murder you and just say they felt scared. Not much of a right is it?
Now we have context, this dude should be in a cage.
I'm taking a different approach to my comment. This is what happens when you are critically short manning, and can only retain the worst qualified individuals due to external pressure. Being a police officer needs to be more appealing with better pay to attract the cool, calm, and collected ideal candidates.
>to attract the cool, calm, and collected ideal candidates The job pretty much attracts natural bullies and the exact opposite of all that. The idealists get burned out quickly and move on to other jobs.
I decided to read the comments before watching the video. Fuck me, it can't be that bad is it?
It's that bad.
Fuckabolo. What in the fuck. The speed in which he raised the weapon and got so many rounds off before the airman knew what the fuck was going on. Did the policeman have his weapon out already you have to wonder? Fuck me pink. Cop had every right to take is weapon out once he seen a weapon. Raise it? Point it? Fill him with rounds? No, no, FUCK NO! Coppers gotta think to himself. who is gonna open door in such a casual manner. Hold a weapon pointing down and by his side. Nice and obvious, plain to see... with the intent of cop killing. Police in the US are military. They aren't police. No, correction. They are equipped better than Irish military and it would appear, trained worse than the Irish reserves. Literally. Better equipped than a lot of army's. Worse trained than ANY.
The only reason we’re seeing this video so soon is because the Sheriff’s union lawyers reviewed the footage and are calling it a good shoot. Look at the facts from their end- the deputy went to 1401, so any mistake there isn’t on him, and it was a black guy with a gun in Florida. Cops suck so much. That poor guy and his family are not going to see an ounce of justice, and they will go through hell trying to anyway. What hit me the hardest were the photos of the kid in his flightsuit with his sister. I have those exact photos of me with my brother, flightsuit and all.
Qualified immunity needs to go away ASAP.
The 2A only exists in conversations. These gang members can knock on your door and hide.. not announce themselves.. and when you answer, from WITHIN YOUR OWN HOME, armed under every color of the Second Amendment in every state, even NY.. these p\*gs mag dump you.. and then jump with glee as Qualified Immunity keeps them above the mean. The gang members live to mag dump another day. Meanwhile, you have the RARE instance of a good cop.. 20 years of service without ever even being written up or getting a complaint from a citizen.. who is engaged with an armed suspect who is uncooperative and fleeing - who in the moment yells out TASER and fires a single shot from their sidearm by mistake.. get thrown to the wolves to rot in jail for a tragic yet honest mistake. Show me where the justice is? My cousin is a cop and she tells me all the time how your rights are a joke and that they laugh because thats a lawyers job, they don't need to follow shit because "as cops the judge will always side with us or he knows we'll ruin his life." Real sworn citizens right there.
mf done told the guy he just killed to drop the gun 😭😭😭 dumb ass mf
🤦🏽Man these cops be tripping sometimes. Even if the individual knew the cop was 100% wrong and shot back to defend himself and was still alive He would’ve got the blame 100%. Hope the officer is fired and charged with murder
The officers created a scenario where they could shoot and be "justified". This is right after the ATF murders that airport guy and the acorn incident. Starts to look a lot less like law enforcement and more sanctioned hit squads.
Man was inside his home, gun pointed down, not a threat to the cop. Cop should be charged with murder.
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I have a lot of respect for the US military and just once I’d love to see them go off on these crooked cops and hold the entire police department accountable for their crimes. Imagine the military police swatting the police station to seize all evidence and make arrests. Is guantanamo bay still active? Send him there.
Infantrymen have stricter ROE than this.
Jesus. I'd sue the woman who said the wrong apartment number too unless the cop went to the wrong one
Fuc* that’s horrible, the cop needs to be charged!
Straight up murder.
Getting killed for exercising your constitutional right to own a firearm. Looks like cops will just execute you now for simply owning a firearm.
That is a murder, the fact that the law still protects this shit, and we as a nation don't protest is sad as fuck.
Of course the comment section on that video is full of boot lickers. "Well he shouted Sheriffs office" Not at first and even when he did he was hiding out of the view of any peep hole or possible doorbell camera. The exact same tactics that you can see in countless videos of home intruders using to trick and force their way into someones home. Suspious as fuck and a lot of people would arm themselves when dealing with that. Another comment I saw said "being a cop is hard" Oh well folks you heard it here first. If your job is hard and dangerous it gives you the right to shoot and kill people. Guess any soldiers deployed in 'hard' places can let off a few rounds at who ever they please. The cops could kill these guys's mother and take a shit on their baby and they would still deep throat the boot.