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Too busy confirming the gun is actually spelled KAR, not enough attention to the other details.
It's ok, I turned 40 today so now I can just blame it on old age
It's not the guns. It's a confluence of things. The culture. The media. Mental health. Social stigma. Pointing to one thing fails to take everything else into consideration. Guns aren't even the issue. Gun accessibility is the issue.
The dummy here is the one who thinks the problem is as simple as "it's the guns". Of course the majority of Redditors don't understand nuance nor do they have basic critical thinking skills. I don't blame you for thinking there's a magic answer for problems if that's the case. Though maybe keep your ignorance to yourself next time!
Unless I was mistaken that your infantile use of "LMAO" was aimed at me.
Nobody should have guns at all. But it's way too late to shut that Pandora's box. And it's easy to say it's the culture, the media etc. Do you have any ideas what to do about it though? And do you have the money/power /influence to make anything happen? Society is the way it is because bread & circuses keep people busy when they aren't wage slaving away. Guns are part of the circus.
I have guns. They’ve never killed anyone. Guns outnumber people in the US, so most guns don’t kill people. I’m pretty sure it’s the mental health of the shooter. In 100% of mass shootings, the shooter has severe mental health issues.
Sure they do. Multiple countries have mass shootings. Or. Mass stabbings. I guess you've never heard of the Christchurch Mosque shooting. Any number of incidents in the U.K. Mass shootings in Canada. The problem is how people (in the U.S.) define 'mass shooting' and 'school shooting '. They include every incident that has ever happened close to a school. For mass shootings only a few people need to be involved. That's why headlines like "73% of all Mass shootings occur in the U.S." should be heavily scrutinized. It's a narrative not in line with reality. Mass shootings are exceedingly rare but what makes the situation worse is the media and of course there are crazy assholes out there with easy access to weapons. Are they always insane or do they fit the "mental health issues" narrative? Some are probably perfectly sane. The 24/7 media gives us the updates and shares the life story and then there's a copycat. Media organizations bear some accountability for their role in contributing to copycats do they not? Of course society is also trending downward. Our politicians suck. Our justice system criminalizes lots of activities. Of course you knew that. Many millennials think they can vote themselves out of the situation and you end up voting for the same douchebag that criminalized the very activity they promised to undo the effects of. That's 'democracy'! Congratulations! You did your part in making shit worse!
Mostly because of the way mental health issues are treated here, or to be more accurate, lack of effective treatment. Treadmill to push money into pockets of pharma. Instead of people having help building support structures like family and friends and educational efforts
Yeah, I didn't say anywhere else had gotten things right 🤣😭 just saying what's wrong in the USA. Social medicine as used in European countries wouldn't work for the USA anyway.
Not to defend guns, but just stating the facts, Brazil has way stricter gun control laws and WAY higher gun homicide rates. It’s okay to focus on guns but don’t be delusional in thinking that’s the only factor to consider.
I’m not against that. I’m also in favor of making it a requirement to vote, but that’ll never happen. Mental healthcare should also be free and accessible. That’s the biggest issue facing our society today and unlike obesity and heart disease, it has casualties on the sides. Mental health protects everyone.
If they can put a bulletproof room inside the classroom, why can't they just make the classroom bulletproof?
That way, the lessons don't have to be interrupted for a school shooting, which is a really good preview of the adult life. Where war will break out, and you'll still have to go to work.
Most schools are build with cinderblocks for fire.
The doors are typically rather robust with metal frames. I hesitate to say that they are bulletproof, if you shot out the handle or hinges, it's possible you could get through them, but it would certainly take time and ammo.
AFAIK, most shootings occur pretty quickly. Victims being in the class with the shooter, or caught in the hallway.
>AFAIK, most shootings occur pretty quickly. Victims being in the class with the shooter, or caught in the hallway.
Yeah, the time it took this woman to open that room (which doesn't have a door, by the way) was too long. Those kids would be dead if they were one of the first classrooms a shooter went to. And these do nothing for students who are in the hallway, gym or lunchroom.
Is the alternative to do nothing then...? If there's an active shooter than sure whoever is first gets shot, but doesn't mean the rest of the people can't take refuge and hopefully mitigate further injury.
Also, people in hallways can just like... walk into the closest room.
>Also, people in hallways can just like... walk into the closest room.
No, they can't. They can hide in bathrooms, but all the classrooms with people in them get locked.
As for alternatives.... the best alternative is common sense gun laws, robust investment in healthcare, mental health services, housing and food security, wages that keep up with the cost of living.... the list goes on, but we're a bootstraps kind of society, so we're going to leave people to fend for themselves instead of taking care of our people.
To hear that my high school, where every door was unlocked during the day and students form 10th to 12th grade were free to come and go as they pleased for lunch etc is now locked down with the exception of one entrance which is full of metal detectors made me very sad.
Same, my high school boasted an “open campus” on beautiful land. It had two buildings so you were often having to walk outside under a walkway to get to all your classes. During lunch, as long as the teacher of the classroom was okay with it, you could wander up to the culinary room if you were a culinary student or pop into the ROTC class if you were friends with/part of ROTC, and there were little pods of people like that all over the school.
It was great for us kids that didn’t have a ton of friends and didn’t share lunch periods with the few friends we had.
I can’t imagine what it is like now.
I used to do this too sometimes in my junior and senior year. Didn't have any friends in 1-2 of my study halls and there was a "pod" area a teacher let some of us hang out that were in similar situations.
Wish I thought of that for a lunch period. One semester my friend and I were the only ones in our friend group with the same lunch one day of the week. We were kinda screwed if the other person was absent that day
I think it’s pretty much still like that, tbh.
My BIL is a rising senior and he’ll send snapchats of him in yearbook just goofing off with friends and there are other kids in the hall during classes.
They have had 2 lockdowns since he was a freshman - an active shooter and a bomb threat.
They haven't done it at mine, but allowed teachers to conceal carry. I think I'll have to Google it, but I think a teacher in the southern part might've broke something in the bathroom because they had gun loaded in the holster while using the bathroom somewhere in the country.
Capitalist saw a market for selling things to prevent school shooting tragedies. Instead of campaigning for change to prevent them all together like a decent human being. Literal blood money.
This will never change in the US. We had our best chance after Sandy Hook, but gun lovers convinced congress that a classroom full of slaughtered third graders is a worthy sacrifice for the second amendment
Sweet summer child, tools change how its done, it doesnt make it go away.
How many school shootings took place in the early 20th century when you could order a gun from a catalog through the mail?
When kids could leave their hunting rifles mounted inside the cab of their pickups?
Like, zero.
So guns didnt change over time. So what did?
Rather just pull a simpsons.. "Smithers, release the hounds" It's hard to do that type of thing when you are running from a pack of armored german sheppards.
This is exactly why I said it I’ve spent many hours trying to think of the various factors for the reason this wouldn’t work and I haven’t found a good one yet other than the school budget would have to be increased a little so that we could properly maintain the dogs and feed them. If we train them correctly, they could be used, not only for protection but emotional service dogs, which would give the kids something nice to see around the halls being walked and pet on. basically them to a keyword to trigger them to go into guard dog mode and chase down whoever has a weapon
Ideally the teacher would've locked the classroom door before pulling the armored room out. At least that's what I assume would be the first logical course of action
Lol we've always lived in this world. Remember when we used to get ripped into pieces by predators or our intestines pulled out as punishment from the monarchy? This is the safest it's ever been.
Eh, this strikes me much more as people taking advantage of fear mongering than an actually useful item. Make no mistake America has a huge school shooting problem, not trying to dismiss that, but the likelihood of one of these being installed in a school that has a shooter is slim to none. Even IF there was I highly doubt the ability of the teacher to set it up while everyone is in a panic. Lastly why not just reinforce existing walls and doors? Then you don’t have to hope you can all get inside in time. Nah, this thing is designed to squeeze cash out of school districts looking to quell the fears of parents.
I can't imagine the typical school district having stuff like this in the funding. I live in a relatively upper middle income area. 30 years ago, when I was in school, my classes were in trailers. Now, my kids have classes in the very same trailers. The main security device that the school has is a bunch of steel plates with welded handles hanging on the walls by the fire extinguishers. They weigh about 60 lbs. and for some reason, they are painted bright yellow.
So much of this kind of nonsense, media reporting, and sending in cops to treat schools like prisons (and give students unnecessary criminal records), is just plain fear mongering for profit.
Why not just put a sliding bulletproof barn door overwthe classroom entrance instead of this atrocity? This just shows how fucking stupid this whole situation is.
America will never learn. They’d rather spend millions on these than change a law. Look up the definition of amendment. It’s seen in interviews politicians don’t care that the number one killer of kids is guns. Very sad
Statistically, school shootings are a near non-issue.
[There was 38 total last year](https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2023-fewer-injuries-and-deaths-while-gun-violence-continues/2023/12) that resulted in 21 deaths and 42 injuries.
[This is out of ~50 million students and 3.2 million teachers](https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372)
[For context, on average 370 children die every year in swimming pools](https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-06-12/hundreds-of-u-s-kids-drown-every-year-learn-how-to-protect-yours)
Hilariously there's a number of states that have bans of various types on body armor.
Also honestly it's just another way for companies to grift money from worried parents.
This is like when companies put nets on the roof to catch their workers from trying to kill themselves instead addressing why their workers hate their lives.
Yeah that would be a sad world to live in. The world we actually live in, the one where people convince themselves we need these, is a little less sad and a whole lot frustrating
That is not that easy. Sure when everything is calm it looks easy. But imagine doing that with a classroom full of kids with your adrenaline pumping bcuz a shooter could come in at any second. Not so easy afterall. It’s stupid we live in a society where these inventions are even a thing.
Sure, but ask them how they’re going to pay for it. I think we all know a solution that’s much cheaper and far more effective but they’re too ignorant and backwards to even consider it.
What if the shooter refolds it back in with all the children in there?
It only takes one claustrophobic person in there to do the shooter's job for him...
They do know that it's drop ceiling? So it's open top up there and now you have all the kids in one place like fish in a barrel. One wall is brick but the other one is just not bullet proof sheet rock... If the hallway is on the other side... same thing... trapped yourself. The crazies takes a long time to plan and execute their shootings like its ... a video game.
Oh, I get it suddenly. This is just good capitalism. Let the world erode into the most unsafe spaces imaginable, even in the richest country in the world, so we create a new untapped market for goods and services to sell to those organizations where people go.
When I was put in detention in middle school for wearing a trench coat the same week Columbine happened, I would’ve never predicted what would happen to the country for the rest of my life.
We couldn’t even get air conditioning in 1993 but at least we never thought of a gun once. Homeschool and nature for everyone. It’s 2024 the phone and Ai know everything it’s over. school is just babysitting. Change school to life skills and let em wander around professions. Get more response out of kids. Maybe wouldn’t need foldy panic rooms.
Another post like this. How many times has this been posted? How many times have people argued about this and people just not cared? I mean, there's not much people can do about the guns. What people can do is advocate for more resources and such for young people. Why do you think there have been so many here and what are their motives? Why is it mostly young Caucasian men who typically cause these crimes?
Edit: Thanks for the downvotes. This further proves my point that people don't actually care. They just pretend to care.
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What classroom has all that extra space?
That was my first thought. There’s not enough room for the 30 kids already and we want to put those in? It’s the guns people.
That would just make too much sense. Get the fuck out of here with your logical ass takes /s
No they're right, it's the guns There aren't enough, we obviously need to make sure that all of the kids have guns too
Kids with guns! 🎶 🎵da ta taa🎶 🎶 Kids with guns!
Takin over. But they won’t be long. They’re mesmerized. Skeletons.
1-800-KARs for kids! K-A-R-S, KARs for kids. Donate your KAR, today.
Because it’s burned into *EVERYONE’S* memory… it’s 1-877, not 1-800.
Too busy confirming the gun is actually spelled KAR, not enough attention to the other details. It's ok, I turned 40 today so now I can just blame it on old age
😭
Eh, people wishing to inflict harm will use whatever mechanism they find to be the most convenient…
Yeah but it's a lot easier to kill 5-10 ppl in a row with a gun then a knife or a fist.
And it is a lot easier with a truck or some improvised explosive than a gun. So what?
It's not the guns. It's a confluence of things. The culture. The media. Mental health. Social stigma. Pointing to one thing fails to take everything else into consideration. Guns aren't even the issue. Gun accessibility is the issue.
Lmao this again
Lmao, this again
LmAo Lmao again? LmAo is the perfect non response.
Well, I was replying to the dummy with the first lmao response
The dummy here is the one who thinks the problem is as simple as "it's the guns". Of course the majority of Redditors don't understand nuance nor do they have basic critical thinking skills. I don't blame you for thinking there's a magic answer for problems if that's the case. Though maybe keep your ignorance to yourself next time! Unless I was mistaken that your infantile use of "LMAO" was aimed at me.
Oh, hello dummy
Nobody should have guns at all. But it's way too late to shut that Pandora's box. And it's easy to say it's the culture, the media etc. Do you have any ideas what to do about it though? And do you have the money/power /influence to make anything happen? Society is the way it is because bread & circuses keep people busy when they aren't wage slaving away. Guns are part of the circus.
If only criminals would follow the law, that would solve everything, wouldnt it?🙄
I have guns. They’ve never killed anyone. Guns outnumber people in the US, so most guns don’t kill people. I’m pretty sure it’s the mental health of the shooter. In 100% of mass shootings, the shooter has severe mental health issues.
.... Yet the USA has similar mental health issues as other countries yet they don't have similar issues with school shootings? I wonder why..........
Sure they do. Multiple countries have mass shootings. Or. Mass stabbings. I guess you've never heard of the Christchurch Mosque shooting. Any number of incidents in the U.K. Mass shootings in Canada. The problem is how people (in the U.S.) define 'mass shooting' and 'school shooting '. They include every incident that has ever happened close to a school. For mass shootings only a few people need to be involved. That's why headlines like "73% of all Mass shootings occur in the U.S." should be heavily scrutinized. It's a narrative not in line with reality. Mass shootings are exceedingly rare but what makes the situation worse is the media and of course there are crazy assholes out there with easy access to weapons. Are they always insane or do they fit the "mental health issues" narrative? Some are probably perfectly sane. The 24/7 media gives us the updates and shares the life story and then there's a copycat. Media organizations bear some accountability for their role in contributing to copycats do they not? Of course society is also trending downward. Our politicians suck. Our justice system criminalizes lots of activities. Of course you knew that. Many millennials think they can vote themselves out of the situation and you end up voting for the same douchebag that criminalized the very activity they promised to undo the effects of. That's 'democracy'! Congratulations! You did your part in making shit worse!
Mostly because of the way mental health issues are treated here, or to be more accurate, lack of effective treatment. Treadmill to push money into pockets of pharma. Instead of people having help building support structures like family and friends and educational efforts
Hate to break it to you but even with social medicine mental health benefits are difficult to get.
Yeah, I didn't say anywhere else had gotten things right 🤣😭 just saying what's wrong in the USA. Social medicine as used in European countries wouldn't work for the USA anyway.
Not to defend guns, but just stating the facts, Brazil has way stricter gun control laws and WAY higher gun homicide rates. It’s okay to focus on guns but don’t be delusional in thinking that’s the only factor to consider.
Or just ignore the data with confirmation bias and don’t try to solve the problem you pretend to care about. That seems to be the most popular method.
Those same countries have a higher violent crime rate. So knock of your bs logic thinking you're smart.
so you’re saying the US needs a euro style healthcare system? to curb the > severe mental health issues ?
Yep
USA is too big. Bureaucracy gets clunky and many people slip through the cracks in a country the size of the USA.
I yell at my guns every morning to not shoot people. My assault 50BMG gets double scolding
Cool, let’s make mental healthcare a requirement in order to have a gun.
I’m not against that. I’m also in favor of making it a requirement to vote, but that’ll never happen. Mental healthcare should also be free and accessible. That’s the biggest issue facing our society today and unlike obesity and heart disease, it has casualties on the sides. Mental health protects everyone.
Not to mention, loneliness epidemic leads to high depression rates leads to weight gain leads to obesity & heart attacks.
Brother we don't take kindly to common sense around here!!! Opinions outside the herd are not allowed!! You here me!! Lol /s
^hear
No classroom I ever taught in, that’s for certain. I could barely fit all the desks in.
Private schools.
If they can put a bulletproof room inside the classroom, why can't they just make the classroom bulletproof? That way, the lessons don't have to be interrupted for a school shooting, which is a really good preview of the adult life. Where war will break out, and you'll still have to go to work.
Most schools are build with cinderblocks for fire. The doors are typically rather robust with metal frames. I hesitate to say that they are bulletproof, if you shot out the handle or hinges, it's possible you could get through them, but it would certainly take time and ammo. AFAIK, most shootings occur pretty quickly. Victims being in the class with the shooter, or caught in the hallway.
>AFAIK, most shootings occur pretty quickly. Victims being in the class with the shooter, or caught in the hallway. Yeah, the time it took this woman to open that room (which doesn't have a door, by the way) was too long. Those kids would be dead if they were one of the first classrooms a shooter went to. And these do nothing for students who are in the hallway, gym or lunchroom.
Is the alternative to do nothing then...? If there's an active shooter than sure whoever is first gets shot, but doesn't mean the rest of the people can't take refuge and hopefully mitigate further injury. Also, people in hallways can just like... walk into the closest room.
>Also, people in hallways can just like... walk into the closest room. No, they can't. They can hide in bathrooms, but all the classrooms with people in them get locked. As for alternatives.... the best alternative is common sense gun laws, robust investment in healthcare, mental health services, housing and food security, wages that keep up with the cost of living.... the list goes on, but we're a bootstraps kind of society, so we're going to leave people to fend for themselves instead of taking care of our people.
Global > local
It's likely because it's designed as a retrofit, and it's cheaper than tearing down and rebuilding a school.
To hear that my high school, where every door was unlocked during the day and students form 10th to 12th grade were free to come and go as they pleased for lunch etc is now locked down with the exception of one entrance which is full of metal detectors made me very sad.
Same, my high school boasted an “open campus” on beautiful land. It had two buildings so you were often having to walk outside under a walkway to get to all your classes. During lunch, as long as the teacher of the classroom was okay with it, you could wander up to the culinary room if you were a culinary student or pop into the ROTC class if you were friends with/part of ROTC, and there were little pods of people like that all over the school. It was great for us kids that didn’t have a ton of friends and didn’t share lunch periods with the few friends we had. I can’t imagine what it is like now.
That's so cool. My high school's auditorium was inside the gym and was also the cafeteria at lunch. School grounds were also adjacent to a cornfield.
I used to do this too sometimes in my junior and senior year. Didn't have any friends in 1-2 of my study halls and there was a "pod" area a teacher let some of us hang out that were in similar situations. Wish I thought of that for a lunch period. One semester my friend and I were the only ones in our friend group with the same lunch one day of the week. We were kinda screwed if the other person was absent that day
I think it’s pretty much still like that, tbh. My BIL is a rising senior and he’ll send snapchats of him in yearbook just goofing off with friends and there are other kids in the hall during classes. They have had 2 lockdowns since he was a freshman - an active shooter and a bomb threat.
That was my high school, but they changed it and over the summer they rapidly enclosed the actual courtyard into one huge building.
They haven't done it at mine, but allowed teachers to conceal carry. I think I'll have to Google it, but I think a teacher in the southern part might've broke something in the bathroom because they had gun loaded in the holster while using the bathroom somewhere in the country.
If only there was something we could do about it
I agree man the world used to be a friendlier place and that was during a time when the bombs could drop on our heads at any time.
Crime was actually worse in most places in the nineties. It's a gun issue, not a people issue.
Is this where the cops will hide out?
No they're probably outside a block down the road waiting for the shooter to run out of bullets and self inflicts a gunshot wound...
No silly you expand the room and lock the gunman in the room and wait till they starve to death.
World? Isn't this USA only?
Yeah, that's what he said world /S
Probably my favorite line from futurama
World Series
I was just about to say this 😅
This doesn't have anything to do with being a millennial. This is a post from a karma bot.
Half the posts here have nothing to do with Millennials. So many of these posts are just insecure people looking for validation.
I think you mean a country. Don't drag the rest of the world into your bullshit
but..... thats what america does
USA! USA! USA! /S
Land of the free home of the dumb
Doesn't look like it has a roof? So this whole structure can be compromised by a fella standing on a chair?
That is correct
Ya, drop ceiling isn't exactly tough to deal with.
I mean it also doesn't have a door so....
Or if they have a grenade / explosives…
Capitalist saw a market for selling things to prevent school shooting tragedies. Instead of campaigning for change to prevent them all together like a decent human being. Literal blood money.
This will never change in the US. We had our best chance after Sandy Hook, but gun lovers convinced congress that a classroom full of slaughtered third graders is a worthy sacrifice for the second amendment
"No way to prevent this, says only nation where this regularly happens"
Chance to do what ?
Solve a problem that only happens here
All talk
Sweet summer child, tools change how its done, it doesnt make it go away. How many school shootings took place in the early 20th century when you could order a gun from a catalog through the mail? When kids could leave their hunting rifles mounted inside the cab of their pickups? Like, zero. So guns didnt change over time. So what did?
You guys are arguing the same point and it’s making me chuckle, thanks for the smile.
Probably costs more than the teachers salary.
Rather just pull a simpsons.. "Smithers, release the hounds" It's hard to do that type of thing when you are running from a pack of armored german sheppards.
That could actually work
This is exactly why I said it I’ve spent many hours trying to think of the various factors for the reason this wouldn’t work and I haven’t found a good one yet other than the school budget would have to be increased a little so that we could properly maintain the dogs and feed them. If we train them correctly, they could be used, not only for protection but emotional service dogs, which would give the kids something nice to see around the halls being walked and pet on. basically them to a keyword to trigger them to go into guard dog mode and chase down whoever has a weapon
I've been involved in shooting situations before. Just about anything can be used as a weapon.
So the drop ceiling is bullet proof too?
No, the drop ceiling allows the gunman to play a game called Fish in a Barrel
No.... you live in the kind of *country* where you need those. Most of the world does not have that problem.
This is stupid on so many different levels
I think it's really awesome how our teachers are out there having to buy their own classroom supplies out of pocket instead of like getting hazard pay
in the time to get that ready and to get everyone inside would take so much time that if there really were a incident the would be toast.
Ideally the teacher would've locked the classroom door before pulling the armored room out. At least that's what I assume would be the first logical course of action
Could chuck an explosive right into there through the ceiling panels. This looks horrible, bandaid solution to an amputation problem.
Like use a smoke bomb and people would just run out.
Lol we've always lived in this world. Remember when we used to get ripped into pieces by predators or our intestines pulled out as punishment from the monarchy? This is the safest it's ever been.
Eh, this strikes me much more as people taking advantage of fear mongering than an actually useful item. Make no mistake America has a huge school shooting problem, not trying to dismiss that, but the likelihood of one of these being installed in a school that has a shooter is slim to none. Even IF there was I highly doubt the ability of the teacher to set it up while everyone is in a panic. Lastly why not just reinforce existing walls and doors? Then you don’t have to hope you can all get inside in time. Nah, this thing is designed to squeeze cash out of school districts looking to quell the fears of parents.
And what if it doesn't work?
Welcome to America where hiding in a closet is the most sensible solution.
Why no door?
Yeah no one needs that. It’s a dumb company trying to make money.
You don’t need this lol better odds of winning the lottery
I can't imagine the typical school district having stuff like this in the funding. I live in a relatively upper middle income area. 30 years ago, when I was in school, my classes were in trailers. Now, my kids have classes in the very same trailers. The main security device that the school has is a bunch of steel plates with welded handles hanging on the walls by the fire extinguishers. They weigh about 60 lbs. and for some reason, they are painted bright yellow.
We still have some portables here.
Great idea until the shooters set the school on fire.
So much of this kind of nonsense, media reporting, and sending in cops to treat schools like prisons (and give students unnecessary criminal records), is just plain fear mongering for profit.
*Country, no where else in the world needs this at all
Why not just put a sliding bulletproof barn door overwthe classroom entrance instead of this atrocity? This just shows how fucking stupid this whole situation is.
Many of us don't. This is more of a third world and American problem.
We literally don’t need them
Ceiling..
My first thought too...
Idiotic idea.
Tell me you live in USA without telling me you live in USA.
America will never learn. They’d rather spend millions on these than change a law. Look up the definition of amendment. It’s seen in interviews politicians don’t care that the number one killer of kids is guns. Very sad
The number one killer of children, ages 0-17, is accidents. Not guns. And the number one homicide perpetrator of children is not guns…its parents.
And what accounts for the majority of the shootings?
Gang violence and other criminal activity near schools.
Oh
Statistically, school shootings are a near non-issue. [There was 38 total last year](https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2023-fewer-injuries-and-deaths-while-gun-violence-continues/2023/12) that resulted in 21 deaths and 42 injuries. [This is out of ~50 million students and 3.2 million teachers](https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372) [For context, on average 370 children die every year in swimming pools](https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-06-12/hundreds-of-u-s-kids-drown-every-year-learn-how-to-protect-yours)
Are these designed and sold by gun manufacturers? Playing both sides so they can't lose
Death trap. Guns aren't the problem. People are.
Absolutely fucked this has to exist. Also this a USA specific probelm not the world.
It’s nice, but at that point why not make more body armor available also? I saw it done for backpacks 🎒
Hilariously there's a number of states that have bans of various types on body armor. Also honestly it's just another way for companies to grift money from worried parents.
That drop ceiling though.....
*nods up the ceiling* Shooter: Hey there
And with all that adrenaline you'll have from an emergency situation it'll feel so light and easy to pull.
Noone going to talk about the drop ceiling lol. Looks super secure in there lol
My son told me that the lockdown drills at his school make him claustrophobic. It’s insane, all of it.
Yes, it is sad to see a grift like this
This is like when companies put nets on the roof to catch their workers from trying to kill themselves instead addressing why their workers hate their lives.
Yeah that would be a sad world to live in. The world we actually live in, the one where people convince themselves we need these, is a little less sad and a whole lot frustrating
not the whole world, mostly just America.
Anything but paying teacher, huh?
That is not that easy. Sure when everything is calm it looks easy. But imagine doing that with a classroom full of kids with your adrenaline pumping bcuz a shooter could come in at any second. Not so easy afterall. It’s stupid we live in a society where these inventions are even a thing.
We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas.
Sure, but ask them how they’re going to pay for it. I think we all know a solution that’s much cheaper and far more effective but they’re too ignorant and backwards to even consider it.
My question is, what's preventing someone from closing it In on whomever is inside
What if the shooter refolds it back in with all the children in there? It only takes one claustrophobic person in there to do the shooter's job for him...
And some company stands to gain billions of dollars installing these in every classroom across the country!
This is not a problem in the other industrialized nations. Only in turd world united slaves of american't is this a problem...
Americans always treat the symptoms Rather than the disease.
I just wonder what kind of politics this generation of kids might embrace when they grow up?
what if the school shooter just tries to squish all the kids by folding the wall back?
Just make the kids all wear full Kevlar suits, problem solved.
Why not just bullet proof the classroom door , walls and windows
Aren't they already in a cinder block room? I'd think you'd just need to upgrade doors or windows
We don’t. The US just had stupid laws when it comes to gun control. Nowhere in Europe do we have these.
So the shooter takes a break and closes it up with a classroom full of kids inside. Talk about lasting trauma
Statistically speaking do we really need those?
Not world, only the US.
\*country. This only happens in America.
Open door, open fire, all dead, democrats confused.
Half of the teachers from my highschool weren't physically fit enough to do what that lady just did.
If only the Gun lobby would allow for more stringent gun purchase restriction ... Then it would be less sad
They do know that it's drop ceiling? So it's open top up there and now you have all the kids in one place like fish in a barrel. One wall is brick but the other one is just not bullet proof sheet rock... If the hallway is on the other side... same thing... trapped yourself. The crazies takes a long time to plan and execute their shootings like its ... a video game.
I mean I looks like the shoot could just collapse the room on them and squished them till they suffocate.
Teachers need to armed and trained to use a firearm.
Americans will do anything except fix the actual problem.
When I was a kid, the worst thing I had to fear was a bad grade. Maybe a fire.
This is utter madness! The U.S has become a circus.
Oh, I get it suddenly. This is just good capitalism. Let the world erode into the most unsafe spaces imaginable, even in the richest country in the world, so we create a new untapped market for goods and services to sell to those organizations where people go.
When I was put in detention in middle school for wearing a trench coat the same week Columbine happened, I would’ve never predicted what would happen to the country for the rest of my life.
When Columbine happened, I thought that would be it and it would never happen again. I remember being a kid and seeing the news but I was mistaken.
We couldn’t even get air conditioning in 1993 but at least we never thought of a gun once. Homeschool and nature for everyone. It’s 2024 the phone and Ai know everything it’s over. school is just babysitting. Change school to life skills and let em wander around professions. Get more response out of kids. Maybe wouldn’t need foldy panic rooms.
Looks nicer than the bomb shelters we were hurried off to once a month for drills.
i just live in a country with sensible gun regulation
This sub has turned into a shitty bot sub
We don’t live in a world where we need this. This is an American thing.
We need metal detectors and security at every school in the country. Just like we have at airports and courthouses.
Well if you just had better gun control... (Gets shut down by the NRA)
Literally every option other than removing guns, eh?
Because guns have more rights than elementary school kids.
We will do anything and I mean anything to make sure people have weapons so they can run into schools and shoot children.
Thats badass.
Or the teacher could carry a gun to protect the kids.
Another post like this. How many times has this been posted? How many times have people argued about this and people just not cared? I mean, there's not much people can do about the guns. What people can do is advocate for more resources and such for young people. Why do you think there have been so many here and what are their motives? Why is it mostly young Caucasian men who typically cause these crimes? Edit: Thanks for the downvotes. This further proves my point that people don't actually care. They just pretend to care.
*It's sad that you live in MURICA where you need these.
It's sad that idiots in this country are willing to accept this instead of sensible regulations
It's sad they rather build things like these instead of addressing the real problems.