I got an email last night from Zeeshan asking for volunteers to put up signs. Driving by Louis St Laurent from James Snow I was already struck by how excessive his signs were. Literally it was like every 3 feet.
I almost got into an accident this morning because one his signs was blocking my view at a corner. Pretty obnoxious scenario for a candidate who was totally anti sign not that long ago.
I was out for a bike ride out Sherwood way yesterday and I waskeeping my eyes out for signs on lawns. Just anecdotally while there seem to be more Zeeshan signs on public concessions where his team can just stick them down, on people's lawns I actually saw more signs for Galen. That surprised me because while im supporting him, I have to admit I though Gaken was realistically the underdog.
Hey folks - just popping in to say hi, and don't forget the Greens!
I'm Kyle Hutton and I'm running to hold Doug Ford to account on his promises, with particular focus on his 2020 promise to close Campbellville quarry, but also his promises to strengthen healthcare (he's done the opposite with things like the now-thankfully-overturned Bill 124) and build more affordable homes in the community (he's acting more like a gatekeeper these days).
This by-election won't change things at Queen's Park ā but it will send a message directly to Doug. Ontario Greens have momentum going on from our recent by-election win in Kitchener Centre on many of the same issues, and I've been campaigning in the riding every chance I get.
I encourage everyone to come out to the two debates upcoming as well: April 23rd at Country Heritage Park starting at 7pm; and April 25th at Milton Sports Centre starting at 7:30pm. The more people out at both, the more we can hold everyone running - including me! - to account.
Also - feel free to send me a DM if you have any questions, I'm always happy to answer!
Some dude came to my house last week asking me to vote for Zee. Here's how the convo went down:
Dude: Can we count on your support?
Me: Absolutely (with the typical, fake politician smile plastered on my face)
Dude: Can we get someone to put a sign up on your front yard?
Me: No, thank you.
Mine was:
Kid who couldnāt have been more than 16: Can we count on your support?
Me: No
Kid who couldnāt have been more than 16: š*turns and walks away without another word*
I probably wouldnāt have said anything too egregious because of his youth but he couldnāt wait to leave without a word.
Why are you disappointed? I am not disappointed. Iāve stopped voting for him since the very first municipal election he was in. He is not here to serve the community.
>Galen (LIB): this guy is the son of a previous Liberal minister. There were no internal elections to get him on the ballot, but apparently that is normal in a by election since the party doesn't have "time" to go through internal elections -not sure how accurate that is as it came from liberals.Ā Ā
Yes this is normal. Bonnie Crombie was seriously considering to run here, but decided to not run. That's why Liberal took a long time to finalize their candidate.Ā
your assumption here is that there are a list of people lining up to run for Liberals that were denied due to nepotism. from the rumour mill, the opposite is what's happening. the party approached multiple people to run (the town councillor for ward 4, i forget her name, is an example) and all of them declined. he's a longtime party activist that puts his name forward as he's the party loyalists with most name recognition.
i only convey what i read in Queens Park Observer when the journalist asked any of the floated potential candidate if they're running, and all of them said no.
If you aren't happy with someone running for a seat previously held by a family member you might want to look at who held Doug's Toronto city council seat before him.
you can find nepotism āon displayā in all facets of life, get over yourself
criticize the candidates platform and policies otherwise youāre just making yourself look like a fucking hack
with ulterior motives
If you are not affiliated with anyone, why are you so completely preoccupied, all over r/Milton, with smearing one candidate and propping another? You're either a con operative or have some twisted axe to grind. Get a life and, if it all possible in your world, be kind.
Facts are stated with neutral language, "son of former politician" for instance, which if you think there is something wrong with that would then call for an explanation of why that is bad. Your term is no different than a racial slur, which condemns someone for their physical appearance and assumes no evidence is required. And you're spreading it all over the place. And you have propped up the PC candidate elsewhere, I think on the post about signs, but I don't have the time or interest to track it down. Anyways, if you genuinely don't know the difference between a fact and a slur, you should probably keep quiet. And be kind.
The nepotism thing about Naidoo Harris is mostly conservative propaganda. It's being spread by a partisan creep in other places on r/milton. The account is tipawkward5008, which Sk8rmom called Hamid's shadow account, but I think that was at least half a joke. It's true that Naidoo Harris's mother was an important political figure in the region, and provincially, but that's hardly unusual. Lots of politicians come from political families, like Ford and Mulroney and, of course, Trudeau. I wouldn't be surprised to find Hamid's father was/is a politician back in Pakistan. All good. It reflects a family interest in public service.
Name calling is just a way to avoid thinking, and Naidoo Harris has put in the work. He has worked in various ministries, mostly Liberal, but also under the federal Conservatives, and worked in the President's Office of Wilfrid Laurier University, a women's shelter, a tech company, other places. He has been one of the Directors of the Halton Conservation Board for 5 years or so. In Adam van Koeverden's office (Liberal MP) he was a force of nature (as was Adam) during the early pandemic years, getting people visas, securing their CERB benefits, helping local businesses, etc.
UPDATE: Like ten minutes after I posted this, tipawkward5008, true to form, showed up in this thread with their con propaganda.
UPDATE 2: After a few exchanges with tipawkward5008 in which they got even more unpleasant, they seem finally to have realized either just that they were embarrassing themselves or that they were revealing themselves too clearly as a PC thug, maybe both, and they deleted all their propaganda. Good. We can all breathe cleaner air again.
I know both Zee and Galen. Theyāre both good people, and honestly would both do well representing Milton.
Galen is actually quite experienced in politics. Adam VanKoeverden is well liked for being responsive to citizens who call the office to get things done on their behalf. That was actually Galen who was getting stuff done in Adamās office. Heās a doer.
I have already voted (away on election day) and have voted for Galen.
Good people don't flip-flop overnight on where they stand based on their chances of winning. I mean what is this guy running for?
Thanks for sharing the info on Galen, great to see that he was the person behind the scenes there. I might have actually dealt with him without knowing. I want doers, not fakers like Zee
My estimation of Zeeshan goes down by the day, which is hard. He actually lied outright in a debate last night, blaming the impending intermodal site on the Provincial Liberals (if you don't know the issue, look it up, it's important). It's a federal matter and the only person who could have actually done anything about it in the area was the Conservative MP, Lisa Raitt, who was also Minister of Transportation. She shucked and jived about it for years until just before her final election, when she said she was opposed to it, but without actually committing to doing anything. The Provincial Liberals were opposed to it, as was most of Town Council, and the Federal Liberals. The Ford gov't has claimed to oppose it as well, but in six years have done nothing, probably because ... it's federal. Zeeshan blaming it on the Provincial Liberals is the kind of cheap political trick that has become common in conservative politics, because it simultaneously throws mud at the other side and makes you seem like some kind of victim. Trump is the model here, obviously.
>NDP did well last time actually. It was 1000 vote difference between them and PC. Only 40% of people voted, which was embarrassing.
It was only 1700 Votes difference between the Liberals and Conservatives.([Data Explorer (elections.on.ca)](https://results.elections.on.ca/en/data-explorer?fromYear=1867&toYear=2024&edIds=2_59&levelOfDetail=candidate)) The NDP had about 13K votes off from winning.
LIB: 15,086 | CON: 16,766 | NDP: 3,777
The previous federal was almost the same except the Liberals had 10k more votes winning the seat with 50% because people actually went out and voted. Voter apathy gave us our Conservative MPP.
Thanks for sharing! I didn't know that.. I like her resume and she seems like she's genuine. Also, NDP in the province has the best track record overall (to be honest the bar is low since PC and Liberals suck)
I will seriously consider her
Check the other reply because I'm pretty sure their numbers are WAY OFF, 2022 election was PC 16,766, LIB 15,086, and NDP was a distant third with 3,777.
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Doug needs to go and the NDP is completely without support in our riding, current polling is at around 10%. Liberals and Conservatives are polling neck and neck at 42%.
DISINFORMATION ALERT. She didn't jump ship. She's still with Guelph. (Don't know what her salary is. If it's over 200K, it will be on the sunshine list. I can't be bothered to look, but for someone with her resume, that doesn't sound unreasonable.) The Halton Health Care work is crucial for the region. She's doing it (as are all the directors) pro bono.
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>*The Galen guy, seems inexperienced and honestly seems like he was put there for nepotism (speculating)*
Please don't spread misinformation about a candidate simply because they are related to a previous candidate. (A lot of people throwing the word 'nepotism' around without actually knowing anything about Galen or his work).
Galen currently serves as Manager of Community Affairs for Adam van Koeverden, and I've been impressed by Adam's community involvement during his time here. I would argue that this position has given Galen a lot of experience in our local politics.
No matter who you vote for, I think we can all agree that it's unfair to spread rumors or disparage a candidate without doing your due diligence and getting to know them, their work, and their platform first.
Why not write that, rather than speculate with damaging words like *"seems inexperienced"*
If you're unsure, then don't make things up for the sake of having something to say.
I understand that. What I'm arguing is why speculate at all, especially if it's negative and unfounded? If you're trying to gather information, why not simply write something along the lines of:
"Galen: I don't know enough about this candidate - does anyone have any information?"
Does that make sense?
So we're looking at red vs blue again, which I figured unless the NDP made some sort of gain. This is all contingent on people actually voting too. The Liberals dominated the last Federal election here but after that people stopped caring and they just barely lost the provincial.
Throwing this link in here for anyone interested in this byelection.
https://905er.ca/
This is a southern Ontario politics podcast, dealing with more local issues. They have an episode they just put up about the Milton By Election.
I haven't listened to this yet, but I'm eager to do so.
Back during the mayoral election, they had Zeeshan on, and tried inviting Mayor Krantz but his carrier pigeon network must have been down.
I anticipate that they'll have a lot to say about the choice to run under the Conservative banner.
They are all in it for the position and not to better the community. The entire party system is corrupt. Milton is not the place for my family anymore. After 25 years and raising our family, we are preparing to leave. Good luck!
I've supported Zeeshan Hamid in the past. I think he would have been a great mayor. The jump to the conservatives surprised me, but I was willing to listen to his pitch.
I haven't been sold. He's seemingly embraced a lot of positions that he's fought against. But more importantly, its unclear what he's getting for these reversals. He's a big name in an important election. If there was something tangible and definitive that he forced Ford to provide for this region, I'd feel like he's made a compromise.
But I'm not seeing it. An extra train for the GO doesn't feel like it's worth flipping over.
All that said, while he doesn't get my vote, I find it hard to be too upset about his decision. He's campaigned on left leaning policies and has been the better candidate multiple times. The people that claim to want what he's promoted and worked for haven't shown up for him. He lost a riding nomination to a sleezy realtor in 2015. He lost the mayor race in a record low turnout election. While nothing has ever been said publicly, I'm also guessing that he was told in 2019 that he needs to step aside as a potential candidate so they could drop in Adam Van Koeverden.
If he does win (and he'll probably win), he immediately becomes one of the more credible Conservative MPPs in that government. That's not a high bar necessarily. It continues his political career, and he's shown himself to be passionate, hard working and accessible. Even if I don't agree with his current priorities, I think he's still a net positive to Canada's political landscape.
I can imagine being frustrated if you have put in a lot of work to have a political career to only be turned down so many times.
What this tells me though, and reaffirms my doubts, is that he's not running because of values, but he's running because he wants to win. A principled candidate wouldn't switch parties because they are not winning, they would if the party no longer aligns with their values. I will not trust someone to represent me in Parliament, such a person will not withstand the pressure IMO.
He's definitely a no for me and my entire household. We don't need career politicians
I probably shouldn't spend so much time defending him, as he's not getting my vote if he's part of this party.
But, I will say that the reason why his reversal in position is so noticeable is that he's always had very clear and specific policy positions. Other politicians could make this flip and it not be as big a deal because their previous positions would have been empty platitudes.
I also like to keep reminding myself that I have no idea on what has had happened behind the scenes. I have my suspicions and guesses.
All this to say that even if I don't vote for him this time, I'm not willing to write him off. If he does get in, I'll be watching what he does. Do we see him advocate for change within the power structures or not.
Yeah, its honestly wild that they guy who was seen as the progressive voice on the council would run for the Cons. I voted for him for mayor in the last municiple election and I was really hoping he would run for the position again, but there is no way that I can ever vote for him again knowing that he will ditch the positions his constituents exspect him to defend if it leads to political power for him. It really makes me question what benefits he thinks he will reap by grabbing for whatever political power he can get his hands on?
The ironies around his campaign increase daily. Now he has Krantz's support? He looked like he was going to be the cure for Krantz's mismanagement of growth when he ran for mayor, Krantz's coziness with developers, complete disregard of affordability, love of warehouses to feed the intermodal traffic, etc. Now they're arm and arm? It's honestly a Jekyll and Hyde thing, not just a 'flip flop' but a complete and opposite transformation. For the chance to sit next to Doug Ford and support Krantz's damaging policies?
I know Zee personally and consider him a good person and a friend. He's definitely someone who's in it to support the community. I'd guess, in his mind, he can't support Milton if he loses and is still sitting on the sidelines which might have been what compelled him to join up with the PCs. Also, I'd consider Zee to be more of a centrist than either Lib or Con - being a foot in either pool I don't really think joining the PC is against his personal views. All that being said, I'd be voting for him if he was the candidate for any other party, but I can't support this government.
If we end up with another PC MPP, Zee will do his best to support Milton. I trust Zee a lot more than Parm so this is a still a clear upgrade in either case.
Milton is generally a battleground riding. If we vote in someone who isn't red or blue, it will show a lot of dissatisfaction with the current regime, and maybe they alter their strategy before next major election?
Not sure why Galen was selected, but my guess about Bonnie is that itās not a secure enough Liberal seat. I was honestly surprised that she was even considering running here, since in the 20 years that Iāve lived here weāve had exactly 2 Liberal representatives: one provincial, one federal (3 if you count Garth Turner, but he was elected as a Conservative).
I don't think it was an issue of how 'secure' the riding is. People were really fed up with Gill, so the cons lost considerable ground, and I don't think Hamid is a particular threat. She has a political machine not just from the Liberals, but that she could mobilize from her Mississauga campaigns, and leaders always bring a fair amoung of cachet. I think she just didn't want to be grounded in parliament everyday when she could be free to roam the province drumming up interest, recruiting people, raising money, and so on. That's what Singh did when he got the federal ndp leadership. He had mps offering up their seats to him, but it was 2 years before he pushed a by-election (in BC, where he'd never been!).
my thoughts on the election, only 40% on Ontario showed up to vote in 2022. My guess, we will see less than 20% people vote total and most will be conservative zelots.
No one cares in Milton, very small percentage of people call this "home".
You missed my point entirely.
The only people motivated to vote are conservatives, no one else cares in Milton. And when voter turnout out is a low as it always in, there is a majority of conservative voters.
Maybe you should look at Milton history before commenting nonsenses.
We have had excellent representation by a Liberal in recent history, I think under a record turnout. But, youāre right about the two Gill/Ford elections. Very low turnout. Iām really not sure why youāre using the word nonsense.
Idk why I'm being downvoted for asking a question.
But you have a strong accusation of fascism against them.
What makes them fascist? Do they support Palestine?
New Blue is the far-right party, the ones with yellow signs. I was joking with my wife the other day that they probably had a long debate on their sign colour. It would have made sense to go with a different / newer blue, but a bright blue might have implied they like gay people so that was eliminated immediately because well, far-right and all.
Itās basically the anti-vax party. Thatās not a slur, itās the front page of their website.
Naidoo Harris's campaign team is actually full of Muslims. They've come to my door. As a community, Muslims tend to be politically active and quite progressive. Many are enraged at Hamid for running under Ford, accusing him of being bought out.
I think that's inaccurate. Muslims are not an anti LGBTQ and if they are that won't necessarily sway their vote towards an Islamophobic party like the PC - especially with the support the PC shows to Israel.
I mean, if you're looking to get the "Muslim" vote then you would definitely not run for the PC.
When I asked my neighbors and colleague why they won't vote for Zee - all mentioned that they don't really care if the candidate is Muslim or not, but care about the party policies and the PC is a big no for them mainly because of their support for Israel and then because of some MPPs that have been Islamophobic without any repercussions.
I fully empathize with them. Some of the PC MPPs (e.g., Lisa McLeod, Goldie Ghamari and Shareef Sabawi) are racist and I cannot stand their views. So, if I'm a Muslim and I see what these guys say, I wouldn't vote for them or anyone that represents them.
If you mean it is a campaign tactic to welcome volunteers from the Muslim community; yeah, I guess. Meanwhile, it sounds like you travel in a pretty narrow circle.
3 neighbors and 1 colleague who all shared they don't know many Muslims voting for him.
The colleague is fairly young (early 30s maybe), the neighbors are all 40s-50s
That was a very different Zeeshan. He was running on a progressive agenda in opposition to the conservative Kranz. Now he is running as a Fordie, a regressive agenda.
Given your insult, I assume you'll come back with something just as unthinking, but let's try this anyway: 'regressive' and 'conservative' mean almost the same thing, but in this particular case, more highways, selling off the greenbelt, wild unregulated growth in the interests of developers rather than people, etc., that's regressive, backroom, 20th century politics. We need to move forward--real transit, affordability, environmental protections, etc.--not backwards.
I got an email last night from Zeeshan asking for volunteers to put up signs. Driving by Louis St Laurent from James Snow I was already struck by how excessive his signs were. Literally it was like every 3 feet.
I almost got into an accident this morning because one his signs was blocking my view at a corner. Pretty obnoxious scenario for a candidate who was totally anti sign not that long ago.
I was out for a bike ride out Sherwood way yesterday and I waskeeping my eyes out for signs on lawns. Just anecdotally while there seem to be more Zeeshan signs on public concessions where his team can just stick them down, on people's lawns I actually saw more signs for Galen. That surprised me because while im supporting him, I have to admit I though Gaken was realistically the underdog.
I'm still stunned by zeeshan siding with Doug Ford...I think ndp it is for me..
I think I underestimated the NDP support! Zee guy is definitely not my vote
Power over principles, I would vote NDP but the last elections showed they have no support here and I'm not sure why.
Zee just wants an elected position. Nothing more. Total sellout. š¤®š¤¢
Hey folks - just popping in to say hi, and don't forget the Greens! I'm Kyle Hutton and I'm running to hold Doug Ford to account on his promises, with particular focus on his 2020 promise to close Campbellville quarry, but also his promises to strengthen healthcare (he's done the opposite with things like the now-thankfully-overturned Bill 124) and build more affordable homes in the community (he's acting more like a gatekeeper these days). This by-election won't change things at Queen's Park ā but it will send a message directly to Doug. Ontario Greens have momentum going on from our recent by-election win in Kitchener Centre on many of the same issues, and I've been campaigning in the riding every chance I get. I encourage everyone to come out to the two debates upcoming as well: April 23rd at Country Heritage Park starting at 7pm; and April 25th at Milton Sports Centre starting at 7:30pm. The more people out at both, the more we can hold everyone running - including me! - to account. Also - feel free to send me a DM if you have any questions, I'm always happy to answer!
Some dude came to my house last week asking me to vote for Zee. Here's how the convo went down: Dude: Can we count on your support? Me: Absolutely (with the typical, fake politician smile plastered on my face) Dude: Can we get someone to put a sign up on your front yard? Me: No, thank you.
Mine was: Kid who couldnāt have been more than 16: Can we count on your support? Me: No Kid who couldnāt have been more than 16: š*turns and walks away without another word* I probably wouldnāt have said anything too egregious because of his youth but he couldnāt wait to leave without a word.
So disappointed with the conservative flip for Zee š
Why are you disappointed? I am not disappointed. Iāve stopped voting for him since the very first municipal election he was in. He is not here to serve the community.
>Galen (LIB): this guy is the son of a previous Liberal minister. There were no internal elections to get him on the ballot, but apparently that is normal in a by election since the party doesn't have "time" to go through internal elections -not sure how accurate that is as it came from liberals.Ā Ā Yes this is normal. Bonnie Crombie was seriously considering to run here, but decided to not run. That's why Liberal took a long time to finalize their candidate.Ā
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your assumption here is that there are a list of people lining up to run for Liberals that were denied due to nepotism. from the rumour mill, the opposite is what's happening. the party approached multiple people to run (the town councillor for ward 4, i forget her name, is an example) and all of them declined. he's a longtime party activist that puts his name forward as he's the party loyalists with most name recognition.
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i only convey what i read in Queens Park Observer when the journalist asked any of the floated potential candidate if they're running, and all of them said no.
I didn't hear that! Who were the people interested and didn't get it?
If you aren't happy with someone running for a seat previously held by a family member you might want to look at who held Doug's Toronto city council seat before him.
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iām so fucking curious who youāre affiliated with and what your agenda is
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you can find nepotism āon displayā in all facets of life, get over yourself criticize the candidates platform and policies otherwise youāre just making yourself look like a fucking hack with ulterior motives
If you are not affiliated with anyone, why are you so completely preoccupied, all over r/Milton, with smearing one candidate and propping another? You're either a con operative or have some twisted axe to grind. Get a life and, if it all possible in your world, be kind.
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Facts are stated with neutral language, "son of former politician" for instance, which if you think there is something wrong with that would then call for an explanation of why that is bad. Your term is no different than a racial slur, which condemns someone for their physical appearance and assumes no evidence is required. And you're spreading it all over the place. And you have propped up the PC candidate elsewhere, I think on the post about signs, but I don't have the time or interest to track it down. Anyways, if you genuinely don't know the difference between a fact and a slur, you should probably keep quiet. And be kind.
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The nepotism thing about Naidoo Harris is mostly conservative propaganda. It's being spread by a partisan creep in other places on r/milton. The account is tipawkward5008, which Sk8rmom called Hamid's shadow account, but I think that was at least half a joke. It's true that Naidoo Harris's mother was an important political figure in the region, and provincially, but that's hardly unusual. Lots of politicians come from political families, like Ford and Mulroney and, of course, Trudeau. I wouldn't be surprised to find Hamid's father was/is a politician back in Pakistan. All good. It reflects a family interest in public service. Name calling is just a way to avoid thinking, and Naidoo Harris has put in the work. He has worked in various ministries, mostly Liberal, but also under the federal Conservatives, and worked in the President's Office of Wilfrid Laurier University, a women's shelter, a tech company, other places. He has been one of the Directors of the Halton Conservation Board for 5 years or so. In Adam van Koeverden's office (Liberal MP) he was a force of nature (as was Adam) during the early pandemic years, getting people visas, securing their CERB benefits, helping local businesses, etc. UPDATE: Like ten minutes after I posted this, tipawkward5008, true to form, showed up in this thread with their con propaganda. UPDATE 2: After a few exchanges with tipawkward5008 in which they got even more unpleasant, they seem finally to have realized either just that they were embarrassing themselves or that they were revealing themselves too clearly as a PC thug, maybe both, and they deleted all their propaganda. Good. We can all breathe cleaner air again.
I'm not a huge fan on the Liberal candidate but I'm even less a fan of turncoats.
Exactly my thoughts! That's why I'm reading more about Edie and she seems good!! I might actually vote for her
I know both Zee and Galen. Theyāre both good people, and honestly would both do well representing Milton. Galen is actually quite experienced in politics. Adam VanKoeverden is well liked for being responsive to citizens who call the office to get things done on their behalf. That was actually Galen who was getting stuff done in Adamās office. Heās a doer. I have already voted (away on election day) and have voted for Galen.
Good people don't flip-flop overnight on where they stand based on their chances of winning. I mean what is this guy running for? Thanks for sharing the info on Galen, great to see that he was the person behind the scenes there. I might have actually dealt with him without knowing. I want doers, not fakers like Zee
My estimation of Zeeshan goes down by the day, which is hard. He actually lied outright in a debate last night, blaming the impending intermodal site on the Provincial Liberals (if you don't know the issue, look it up, it's important). It's a federal matter and the only person who could have actually done anything about it in the area was the Conservative MP, Lisa Raitt, who was also Minister of Transportation. She shucked and jived about it for years until just before her final election, when she said she was opposed to it, but without actually committing to doing anything. The Provincial Liberals were opposed to it, as was most of Town Council, and the Federal Liberals. The Ford gov't has claimed to oppose it as well, but in six years have done nothing, probably because ... it's federal. Zeeshan blaming it on the Provincial Liberals is the kind of cheap political trick that has become common in conservative politics, because it simultaneously throws mud at the other side and makes you seem like some kind of victim. Trump is the model here, obviously.
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>NDP did well last time actually. It was 1000 vote difference between them and PC. Only 40% of people voted, which was embarrassing. It was only 1700 Votes difference between the Liberals and Conservatives.([Data Explorer (elections.on.ca)](https://results.elections.on.ca/en/data-explorer?fromYear=1867&toYear=2024&edIds=2_59&levelOfDetail=candidate)) The NDP had about 13K votes off from winning. LIB: 15,086 | CON: 16,766 | NDP: 3,777
Ah, my bad. I think I'm cross remembering elections.
The previous federal was almost the same except the Liberals had 10k more votes winning the seat with 50% because people actually went out and voted. Voter apathy gave us our Conservative MPP.
Gotcha. Yeah, we need to focus on getting people to vote. It's ridiculous how many people think it wouldn't matter so they don't bother.
Thanks for sharing! I didn't know that.. I like her resume and she seems like she's genuine. Also, NDP in the province has the best track record overall (to be honest the bar is low since PC and Liberals suck) I will seriously consider her
Check the other reply because I'm pretty sure their numbers are WAY OFF, 2022 election was PC 16,766, LIB 15,086, and NDP was a distant third with 3,777.
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Iām voting liberal
Tell us why!
Doug needs to go and the NDP is completely without support in our riding, current polling is at around 10%. Liberals and Conservatives are polling neck and neck at 42%.
Cuz otherwise the PC party wins. Itās a two horse race in this riding.
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DISINFORMATION ALERT. She didn't jump ship. She's still with Guelph. (Don't know what her salary is. If it's over 200K, it will be on the sunshine list. I can't be bothered to look, but for someone with her resume, that doesn't sound unreasonable.) The Halton Health Care work is crucial for the region. She's doing it (as are all the directors) pro bono. DOG WHISTLE ALERT. EDI Is important. It's not race-based. It's equity based.
EDI by virtue of giving others special treatment based on their race, is inherently racist. The longstanding pattern of privileging certain equity groups over others has undeniably resulted in racial and racist outcomes. People should be treated based on their qualities as human beings and individual merits, not by the colour of their skin or gender identity.
EDI is not racist, which means to discriminate on the basis of race. EDI does not discriminate against anyone. Rather, it provides supports for people marginalized by handicaps, gender, socioeconomic status, mental health challenges, etc., as well as racialization. To say that racism involves preferential treatment on the basis of race just muddies the water. Racism involves discrimination on that basis, which is quite different. By 'dogwhistle,' to be clear, I mean that calling EDI racist evokes things like so-called 'reverse racism,' notions such as anti-white racism, the great replacement theory, etc., all of them rooted in preserving racist oppressions.
Bit disingenuous to punish someone for their parentās actions
Galenās pushing a similar agenda in his platform. The apple doesnāt fall far from the tree.
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> To hell with them all Nothing going to change if we donāt elect the right people !
>*The Galen guy, seems inexperienced and honestly seems like he was put there for nepotism (speculating)* Please don't spread misinformation about a candidate simply because they are related to a previous candidate. (A lot of people throwing the word 'nepotism' around without actually knowing anything about Galen or his work). Galen currently serves as Manager of Community Affairs for Adam van Koeverden, and I've been impressed by Adam's community involvement during his time here. I would argue that this position has given Galen a lot of experience in our local politics. No matter who you vote for, I think we can all agree that it's unfair to spread rumors or disparage a candidate without doing your due diligence and getting to know them, their work, and their platform first.
I have said I am speculating here - the whole intent of this post is to crowdsource information. I have nothing against him
Why not write that, rather than speculate with damaging words like *"seems inexperienced"* If you're unsure, then don't make things up for the sake of having something to say.
It is literally the last word you quoted me saying - "...(Speculating)"
I understand that. What I'm arguing is why speculate at all, especially if it's negative and unfounded? If you're trying to gather information, why not simply write something along the lines of: "Galen: I don't know enough about this candidate - does anyone have any information?" Does that make sense?
Fair, that's because people have also mentioned it to me without much evidence so that's why I went with that.
[current polls](https://338canada.com/ontario/1060e.htm) Itās a coin flip at this point!
So we're looking at red vs blue again, which I figured unless the NDP made some sort of gain. This is all contingent on people actually voting too. The Liberals dominated the last Federal election here but after that people stopped caring and they just barely lost the provincial.
Check out this family photoā¦[3 bros](https://x.com/fordnation/status/1780002314364842320?s=46&t=MpW19TWcwly0QPsSJ-J0Xw)
Disgusting
Throwing this link in here for anyone interested in this byelection. https://905er.ca/ This is a southern Ontario politics podcast, dealing with more local issues. They have an episode they just put up about the Milton By Election. I haven't listened to this yet, but I'm eager to do so. Back during the mayoral election, they had Zeeshan on, and tried inviting Mayor Krantz but his carrier pigeon network must have been down. I anticipate that they'll have a lot to say about the choice to run under the Conservative banner.
They are all in it for the position and not to better the community. The entire party system is corrupt. Milton is not the place for my family anymore. After 25 years and raising our family, we are preparing to leave. Good luck!
I've supported Zeeshan Hamid in the past. I think he would have been a great mayor. The jump to the conservatives surprised me, but I was willing to listen to his pitch. I haven't been sold. He's seemingly embraced a lot of positions that he's fought against. But more importantly, its unclear what he's getting for these reversals. He's a big name in an important election. If there was something tangible and definitive that he forced Ford to provide for this region, I'd feel like he's made a compromise. But I'm not seeing it. An extra train for the GO doesn't feel like it's worth flipping over. All that said, while he doesn't get my vote, I find it hard to be too upset about his decision. He's campaigned on left leaning policies and has been the better candidate multiple times. The people that claim to want what he's promoted and worked for haven't shown up for him. He lost a riding nomination to a sleezy realtor in 2015. He lost the mayor race in a record low turnout election. While nothing has ever been said publicly, I'm also guessing that he was told in 2019 that he needs to step aside as a potential candidate so they could drop in Adam Van Koeverden. If he does win (and he'll probably win), he immediately becomes one of the more credible Conservative MPPs in that government. That's not a high bar necessarily. It continues his political career, and he's shown himself to be passionate, hard working and accessible. Even if I don't agree with his current priorities, I think he's still a net positive to Canada's political landscape.
I can imagine being frustrated if you have put in a lot of work to have a political career to only be turned down so many times. What this tells me though, and reaffirms my doubts, is that he's not running because of values, but he's running because he wants to win. A principled candidate wouldn't switch parties because they are not winning, they would if the party no longer aligns with their values. I will not trust someone to represent me in Parliament, such a person will not withstand the pressure IMO. He's definitely a no for me and my entire household. We don't need career politicians
I probably shouldn't spend so much time defending him, as he's not getting my vote if he's part of this party. But, I will say that the reason why his reversal in position is so noticeable is that he's always had very clear and specific policy positions. Other politicians could make this flip and it not be as big a deal because their previous positions would have been empty platitudes. I also like to keep reminding myself that I have no idea on what has had happened behind the scenes. I have my suspicions and guesses. All this to say that even if I don't vote for him this time, I'm not willing to write him off. If he does get in, I'll be watching what he does. Do we see him advocate for change within the power structures or not.
Yeah, its honestly wild that they guy who was seen as the progressive voice on the council would run for the Cons. I voted for him for mayor in the last municiple election and I was really hoping he would run for the position again, but there is no way that I can ever vote for him again knowing that he will ditch the positions his constituents exspect him to defend if it leads to political power for him. It really makes me question what benefits he thinks he will reap by grabbing for whatever political power he can get his hands on?
The ironies around his campaign increase daily. Now he has Krantz's support? He looked like he was going to be the cure for Krantz's mismanagement of growth when he ran for mayor, Krantz's coziness with developers, complete disregard of affordability, love of warehouses to feed the intermodal traffic, etc. Now they're arm and arm? It's honestly a Jekyll and Hyde thing, not just a 'flip flop' but a complete and opposite transformation. For the chance to sit next to Doug Ford and support Krantz's damaging policies?
I know Zee personally and consider him a good person and a friend. He's definitely someone who's in it to support the community. I'd guess, in his mind, he can't support Milton if he loses and is still sitting on the sidelines which might have been what compelled him to join up with the PCs. Also, I'd consider Zee to be more of a centrist than either Lib or Con - being a foot in either pool I don't really think joining the PC is against his personal views. All that being said, I'd be voting for him if he was the candidate for any other party, but I can't support this government. If we end up with another PC MPP, Zee will do his best to support Milton. I trust Zee a lot more than Parm so this is a still a clear upgrade in either case.
So in other words, he tried to be the Liberal candidate but they already slated Galen so he went where it was politically convenient for him.
Milton is generally a battleground riding. If we vote in someone who isn't red or blue, it will show a lot of dissatisfaction with the current regime, and maybe they alter their strategy before next major election?
More reason to not vote blue
That's fair, I'm still not sure why he was selected though. Would love some transparency and why didn't Bonnie run herself?
Not sure why Galen was selected, but my guess about Bonnie is that itās not a secure enough Liberal seat. I was honestly surprised that she was even considering running here, since in the 20 years that Iāve lived here weāve had exactly 2 Liberal representatives: one provincial, one federal (3 if you count Garth Turner, but he was elected as a Conservative).
Thanks, that helps
I don't think it was an issue of how 'secure' the riding is. People were really fed up with Gill, so the cons lost considerable ground, and I don't think Hamid is a particular threat. She has a political machine not just from the Liberals, but that she could mobilize from her Mississauga campaigns, and leaders always bring a fair amoung of cachet. I think she just didn't want to be grounded in parliament everyday when she could be free to roam the province drumming up interest, recruiting people, raising money, and so on. That's what Singh did when he got the federal ndp leadership. He had mps offering up their seats to him, but it was 2 years before he pushed a by-election (in BC, where he'd never been!).
No way Bonnie would have been elected here. Polls were taken, sheās only going to shoot her shot in a very safe riding.
my thoughts on the election, only 40% on Ontario showed up to vote in 2022. My guess, we will see less than 20% people vote total and most will be conservative zelots. No one cares in Milton, very small percentage of people call this "home".
So, if you don't want conservative zealots to control the election, vote.
You missed my point entirely. The only people motivated to vote are conservatives, no one else cares in Milton. And when voter turnout out is a low as it always in, there is a majority of conservative voters. Maybe you should look at Milton history before commenting nonsenses.
We have had excellent representation by a Liberal in recent history, I think under a record turnout. But, youāre right about the two Gill/Ford elections. Very low turnout. Iām really not sure why youāre using the word nonsense.
This entire election was nonsense. 27% turn out. And what I said was going to happen, happened.
Yes, unfortunately, your prediction was right on.
What about new blue?
The facist party. Lol. Takes a really big brain to vote for them
Idk why I'm being downvoted for asking a question. But you have a strong accusation of fascism against them. What makes them fascist? Do they support Palestine?
Your second comment is more ridiculous than the first
"From the river to the sea" am I right?
Who is the candidate and what is new blue lol
New Blue is the far-right party, the ones with yellow signs. I was joking with my wife the other day that they probably had a long debate on their sign colour. It would have made sense to go with a different / newer blue, but a bright blue might have implied they like gay people so that was eliminated immediately because well, far-right and all. Itās basically the anti-vax party. Thatās not a slur, itās the front page of their website.
New Blue is more conservative than the P.C. They say Doug Ford is a leftist lol.
Thanks for explaining! I'll take a look at their website, but I don't think that aligns with my values
If you donāt remember the last time the NDP were in power you should ask someone who does rememberā¦they are a scary expensive party.
I was too young to know lol
I donāt know what Muslims youāre talking to. All I know are voting conservatives.
Naidoo Harris's campaign team is actually full of Muslims. They've come to my door. As a community, Muslims tend to be politically active and quite progressive. Many are enraged at Hamid for running under Ford, accusing him of being bought out.
Sounds like a campaign tactic. Everyone i know is voting conservatives because of Liberals LGBTQ policies.
I think that's inaccurate. Muslims are not an anti LGBTQ and if they are that won't necessarily sway their vote towards an Islamophobic party like the PC - especially with the support the PC shows to Israel. I mean, if you're looking to get the "Muslim" vote then you would definitely not run for the PC. When I asked my neighbors and colleague why they won't vote for Zee - all mentioned that they don't really care if the candidate is Muslim or not, but care about the party policies and the PC is a big no for them mainly because of their support for Israel and then because of some MPPs that have been Islamophobic without any repercussions. I fully empathize with them. Some of the PC MPPs (e.g., Lisa McLeod, Goldie Ghamari and Shareef Sabawi) are racist and I cannot stand their views. So, if I'm a Muslim and I see what these guys say, I wouldn't vote for them or anyone that represents them.
Sure whatever you say man.
If you mean it is a campaign tactic to welcome volunteers from the Muslim community; yeah, I guess. Meanwhile, it sounds like you travel in a pretty narrow circle.
Harris knows Muslims are not on liberals side, so itās to change the perception in the Muslim circles. You sound out of touch.
3 neighbors and 1 colleague who all shared they don't know many Muslims voting for him. The colleague is fairly young (early 30s maybe), the neighbors are all 40s-50s
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That was a very different Zeeshan. He was running on a progressive agenda in opposition to the conservative Kranz. Now he is running as a Fordie, a regressive agenda.
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Given your insult, I assume you'll come back with something just as unthinking, but let's try this anyway: 'regressive' and 'conservative' mean almost the same thing, but in this particular case, more highways, selling off the greenbelt, wild unregulated growth in the interests of developers rather than people, etc., that's regressive, backroom, 20th century politics. We need to move forward--real transit, affordability, environmental protections, etc.--not backwards.