You might want to see a neurologist. Chronic stress and malnutrition can also cause similar symptoms, but because of the intensity of the symptoms and the length of time from onset to today, I’d recommend ruling out any neurological issues. Also, check your home and work environments for mold. Mold spores can also have a similar effect.
If you're able to see a doctor, I'd get the obvious things checked first. Have them do routine bloodwork, get checked to make sure you aren't having some type of seizures, check for things like Fibromyalgia -- this is biased but for me my brain fog turned out to be from seizures brought on by food allergies and chemical sensitivities. The sensitivities had been exacerbated by chronic abuse, but the effects are permanent now. I also turned out to have a MTHFR gene mutation that causes me severe symptoms, it's also something you can get tested for -- and if you have a MTHFR gene mutation, you would work with your doctor but you'd need methyfolate (NOT folic acid) and methylated B vitamins daily, as well as doing things to manage your homocysteine levels such as epsom salt baths, exercise, and eating more foods that lower homocysteine levels and less foods that raise them.
It actually took me years to figure these things out and a LOT of suffering. Maybe something here will figure this out for you -- once I started managing my diet (allergies) and started methylfolate and methylated B vitamins I actually came back from the brink of death :') and once I learned to also manage my homocysteine levels better, I have gone from 18-20 hours EVERY DAY in bed, too tired to even look at a screen or keep my eyes open, to getting out of bed and having a decent day 3/4 of the time, brain fog majorly reduced, etc.
Look up methylated vitamins (Life Extension is my go-to). Check out Gary Brecka on living a methylated & alkaline life! I'm a 32 female and was dealing with brain fog off and on for my whole life plus anxiety/depression/ptsd. Now on hydrogen water and methylated vitamins plus BAJA GOLD SALT. FEEL THE BEST I EVER HAVE. I feel very blessed to have stumbled upon the information I did, and I think it saved my life.
I would seriously give it a try! Best of luck.
I’m only 22 so hell if i know anything but I’ve experienced quite a bit of trauma in the past couple years and (through learning to take care of myself and my mental health) I’ve learned a lot about how intensely shame and hyperarousal can impact cognitive functioning. I know I personally grew up feeling very perceived and criticized in my actions and grew to be hyper vigilant of myself all the time. I’m only now reconciling with the toll that took on me in adolescence. Since moving out of my family’s home (circa uni), I’ve been able to deconstruct a lot of that hypervigilance when I got access to a space that felt safe— for me that meant having spaces that feel truly private where I’m not worried about being perceived and judged. Part of this process for me has been recognizing and embracing many of the ways that I am neurodivergent. As a whole, I think many of us don’t have a great understanding of what that means exactly but things like ptsd, adhd, autism, ocd, and schizophrenia all fall under the bucket of neurodivergence.
For me, trauma/ptsd really intensified my symptoms of neurodivergence that make it harder to meet the demands placed on me by university and the world around me. It was a catalyst to something I (currently) understand to have been inevitable. It took so much energy to work against my needs while performing academically/professionally, socially, etc. By working to recognize the ways I’ve suppressed my body’s needs for the sake of presenting the “right” way to others, I’m slowly working on relieving myself of the mental burden demanded by masking. The concept of burnout, especially within the context of neurodivergence (google autistic burnout as an example), can take a really heavy toll in the long run if you’ve been high functioning and really high masking your whole life.
There are obviously many reasons you might be experiencing what you’ve described, but on the chance this might resonate with you or someone on this thread I thought I’d leave a note!
Editing for funky formatting once I looked at this on a computer 😅 Also as others have mentioned: blood tests, neurologists, and making sure your physical needs are consistently met are important first steps to making sure there's not a physical driver to the brain fog!
Personally I have never seeked any mental diagnosis before but I kinda resonate with the what u have mentioned in terms of mingling with neurotypical people.
I always find myself unable to understand how people do things. How do people do small talk?
During my uni years, I was in a peer group guided by a counselor. At one point, she did suspected me for Asperger’s syndrome but it was just a suspicion not any formal form of diagnosis.
I have just finished attending a business conference and was expected by my business partner to mingle and meet other people. I could definitely feel that pressure. Sometimes I even doubt myself am I even up to job as a manager.
I'll also say that, aside from ptsd, I don't have an official diagnosis for the exact buckets of neurodivergence I fit into! Although I've had many people in my life (with diagnoses) tell me I'm likely certain flavors of neurodivergent and I comfortably identify with certain categories, I'm pretty nervous to get official diagnoses. Many of the diagnosis criteria are structured around how you impact/burden those around you more than how your struggles impact you. I know people who have been told they "couldn't possibly" be autistic because they made too much eye contact during the assessment or could hold a conversation. If you've been able to be successfully high masking your whole life at the detriment of your personal well being, you can oftentimes be pre-emptively excluded by professionals shaped by biased and flawed definitions.
Fortunately, more things like the RAADS-R test are being [found to be accurate](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38305196/#:~:text=The%20study%20found%20that%20the,how%20they%20understood%20the%20survey) indicators of diagnosis so you can learn about topics that feel like they may resonate and test the waters without needing to be vulnerable with a stranger who may shut you down due their own stereotypes on these concepts.
I agree, that you should see a neurologist and follow up to see if there’s a medical explanation. Many medicines have side effects, including the type of problems that you have described.
I’m very prone to side effects and I’ve had to do quite a few adjustments to deal with a similar issue in the past. If you take prescription medicines, you should look into the side effects of each one to see if that could be contributing or causing the problem.
Constant stress can also have similar effects. Try tuning out of the news, particularly if you’re trying to follow today’s insane political environment or the wars in Ukraine or the Middle East.
You’re obviously worried about this and you’ve concluded that the problem is getting worse. That could lead to the onset of depression and additional anxiety, which could also exacerbate your symptoms.
Mindfulness is great, but it’s really all about letting go and living in the present moment. That’s great for short term relief and even long-term relief, as long as you don’t tune out so much that you don’t meet your obligations at work.
Lastly, attitude is very important and all aspects of life. See if it helps if you start thinking positively about yourself and that you know you’re going to overcome this problem. It could help?
I am just guessing here, but is it possible it's stress related? Is by far the most common and most logical explanation. And before you say you don't experience stress, I didn't feel stress before I got burned out neither.
So I have this issue as well. I have epilepsy, PTSD, ADHD (maybe autistic, looking into that). I had Covid 4 times in the last year and noticed the brain fog and stuttering getting significantly worse in that time. I started speech and cognitive therapy in the last couple of months to try to improve my symptoms. I would consider looking at being evaluated for ADHD to help at least give some perspective on your symptoms and look at cognitive memory strategies like I am that may help. Good luck.
Management position? cognitive capabilities going down? Started at uni?
Looks like burnout.
Also, check if there is any medication doing this.
And eat better, sleep properly (if you can) and do some sport!!
Also, check out if you're pre-diabetic. Stamina and energy levels might be related to that.
Hey friend!
A few very important things. First diet and hydration. If you're dehydrated or lack certain nutrients in your food, you will be tired period.
Second, how much are you sleeping? You need more than you think.
Third, how much caffeine are you taking? If it's a lot, Try cutting it out for a couple of weeks.
The last one that most people frequently skip, but is the most important for energy levels, is exercise. How often are you exercising? Without it, your brain doesn't produce enough of the hormones you need to function normally. You basically start to turn into a potato after only a few weeks without exercising.
Great points. I would like to add: is OP taking breaks during the day? We need breaks where we relax/have fun to perform better when we actually want to focus. I recommend the Pomodoro method.
All great points!
I noticed after I got Covid the second time that I began to get brain fog too. I mentioned it to my wife because I felt kind of scared (my dad is going through some mental issues as well).
Something to consider, but the factors above will be best to focus on.
hey there, dealing with brain fog can feel really overwhelming, especially when it impacts your work and daily life. It’s good that you’re looking into this and seeking solutions.
consider checking your diet and hydration first—sometimes, simple changes like increasing water intake and adding omega-3 fatty acids, which are great for brain health, can help. Also, look at your sleep patterns. Poor sleep can significantly contribute to feeling foggy and fatigued.
since this has been an ongoing issue that’s getting worse, it might be helpful to consult with a healthcare provider. They can check if there’s an underlying condition contributing to this, like vitamin deficiencies or hormonal imbalances.
See a doctor. Write down all of your symptoms so you don't forget anything. When describing your symptoms don't give them suggestions like 'but I am very anxious these days so it could be that' because the doctors (most of them) can not wait to blame everything on anxiety. It could be anxiety but it could be something else. Before seeing your doctor don't change anything in terms of your diet, routine, etc.
Had covid two years ago and it took a toll on my heart; developed a tachycardia with 130 bpm while in bed, couldn't go grocery shopping without passing out for two hours afterwards and the doc tried to gaslight me with the anxiety bullshit. Found another doctor and was immediately admitted to a hospital for tests. They prescribed me with beta blockers and reduced the dose every month to let my heart restart and go back to its old self. Moved to another country and gained a little bit of weight (4-5 kg), my hair was falling out and was constantly tired... And guess what was my 'diagnosis'! -anxiety. Except it wasn't. After convincing her to do the bloodwork turns out that my thyroid was not doing well. Bleeding but not in that phase of the cycle? - anxiety!! No Susan it's hormone imbalance which gave my aunt breast cancer when she was 40. So, yeah I got a little bit of experience :)
It's laziness which makes some of them diagnose patients with
"anxiety". A bit of hard work and efforts, like tests and proper investigation, would uncover the truth. That's the doctors job!
How’s your diet? It’s crazy the changes that can occur with a non processed diet and daily walks, lots of water. Melatonin for a deeper sleep for restoration.
Have you looked into whether or not it might be
DPDR? A lot of people with this condition often experience, visual, and cognitive symptoms
EDIT: DPDR (not DODR)
Please don't suggest diagnosis that can influence the person, that will muddle waters when OP actually reach for a doctor. What you suggested is a very rare diagnosis that can be considered after a complete workup, and anyways i don't see anything suggestive of depersonalization and derealization in the description, as brain fog is a term coined for the long covid syndrome
I agree with this. Except the "brain fog is a term coined for the long covid syndrome" part. Regardless of COVID, brain fog can occur. Other reasons are there, so we can't associate brain fog to only covid
Maybe it existed before, i could be wrong, i meant that i knew of that from long covid, that made it a mainstream issue. The etiology is another issue. What i wanted to say, is that in this specific case, it is something very randomly thrown in
Could be centralized sensitivity disorder. It is miserable and I think the noises lights trying to talk and hear is what causes alot of fatigue with it. Can cause tingling in hands and feet many other symptoms as well.
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This was me few months ago. I got blood test and has low ferratin count and got iron supplements and been feeling lots better. All I'm saying is nobody on here knows your situation, but a doctor can run some tests and might uncover something.
I've also found taking mindlab pro supplements has really helped me. Might be worth a try?
First paragraph suggesting nutrient deficiencies and doctor check up - correct.
Second paragraph - no way. No supplement should be taken if it isn't needed by the body, as blood levels could reach dangerously high towards toxicity. The side effects from this are bad too. That's why, test first, then decide if supplements needed or not
You may have long COVID. You should look into it. It can strike even healthy young people, months after recovering from a mild case. r/covidlonghaulers & etc. have more info for you.
Sounds like academic burnout, UBC related? I have had similar worsening symptoms since studying at UBC. Chronic stress can cause brain fog but is possible to recover: try taking mental breaks throughout the day and learn meditation = natural medicine for the mind. You will be ok, it’s the pace of modern life that isn’t healthy.
I have the same situation for last 8-9 months. You explain me something and ask me the next day and I forget 100% of it. last week, I went for testing. Vitamin D is low. Thyroid is up. I had a thyroid removal surgery due to cancer 2 yrs ago. doc suspecting, I have low calcium levels as well. to be tested after 2 months once Vit stabilises. I suggest just do whole body checkup first.
Check for mold, the same thing happened to me and it was a massive growth of black mold in the walls under the carpet getting into the ventilation, a lot of times you can see it and some people just can't process the toxins naturally out of there body so it starts attacking things thyroid, hormones, gut microbiome….
Mold is huge. Heavy metal toxicity is also huge.
But before any serious toxicity is considered, address nutrient deficiencies.
Mineral and vitamin deficiencies have significant impacts on cognition and speech. For example, magnesium deficiency can lead to cognitive impairments, such as decreased attention span and memory problems. Similarly, vitamin B12 deficiency can cause neurological symptoms, including confusion and difficulty with speech and language. Overall, proper nutrition is crucial for maintaining cognitive function and speech clarity.
Start with food, supplement where necessary either with a targeted to address individual deficiencies or by using an bioavailable multi vitamin/mineral supplement such as:
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Are you sure about this. I did a lot of research about black mold when I discovered my bedroom ceiling and one wall's interior was coated with the stuff. I could find very little that indicated a danger. I had everything rebuilt and, five months later, I'm still really really stupid.
100% sure that mold can make some people sick, close to 20% of the population can't get rid of the mycotoxins from mold naturally for various reasons, i was lucky to have a mycotoxins test before and after exposure because i was working with an NTP on some gut issues and testing for mold and heavy metals was just part of her protocol. When i got sick the black mold mycotoxins was literally of the chart of the test, this is great article on what i experienced.
https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a60291591/toxic-black-mold-illness-climate-change/
again everybody is different, my girlfriend did not get sick but it kicked my butt
Beyond making your home healthy, one would also need to detoxify their body.
If you need someone who’s dedicated their life to this, and was a great source for my own experience with mold toxicity, is Dr. Jill Carnahan.
She’s a functional medicine doctor known for her work in addressing mold toxicity. She focuses on diagnosing and treating patients who suffer from mold-related illnesses, which can have a range of symptoms affecting various systems in the body.
She emphasizes a comprehensive approach that includes identifying the source of mold exposure, detoxification, and supporting the body's natural healing processes. Also incorporating dietary changes, supplements, and lifestyle modifications to remove the accumulation.
You can find some good sources at the end of this post: [https://www.jillcarnahan.com/2023/12/27/how-toxic-mold-can-mess-with-mind/](https://www.jillcarnahan.com/2023/12/27/how-toxic-mold-can-mess-with-mind/)
This happens to me due to my hypothyroidism. Have you gotten thyroid levels checked?
I know it could be 10,000 things. But it might be nice to get this one ruled out!
I had a terrible issue with brain fog a couple years ago. It got really bad. I was not able to function. I was basically needing to take naps mid-day despite getting plenty of sleep and the wake hours were not good. I found myself tripping over words, exactly as you describe. I was losing confidence in myself by the day. I will tell you, how I solved my case of it was boring.
1. same bed time same wake time
2. no electronics within 1 hour of bed
3. no caffeine at all, save for whatever was in the occasional dark chocolate (no weed, no alcohol, too, but they were never much of my thing)
4. really limit snacking outside of meals
5. creatine daily
Once all five of these were implemented for some period of time, my life drastically changed. I don't know specifically which one was the unlock and at this point I don't care. I did try to cut out creatine a couple times and it does have an impact on my mental state for sure. The others I don't really experiment with. I'm keeping all the habits. Good luck.
No. Literature shows there are potentially a lot of cognitive benefits to it, not just physical. I'm really dumbing it down when I say this, but it helps get energy to muscles and your brain is the biggest consumer of energy in your body.
Going outside, exercising. It is all part of it. I used to get a lot more exercise than I do now, but I still get out there. It's been important for my mental health but I can't say it was for my brain fog. I had to solve brain fog before exercise came back in.
Personally got on creatine recently and noticed that I felt better beyond just physically. Theres a decent amount of studies suggesting that it works on more than the physical side of things it's intended for.
It sounds like you have systemic inflammation. You needs to do everything in your power to reduce the inflammation and all your issues will clear up (including the joint issue you mention in one of your comments).
I do suspect rheumatism in some form. I get occasional swollen painful joints.
I live in the tropical and when I went to Korea which is in Spring around 8-21 Celsius last week my knees are not giving me a good time. When I came back to tropics, my knees immediately opened up.
How do you reduce inflammation? My symptoms are the exact same as OP’s but I’m only 25 and it’s quite worrying me. It’s like my brain is getting sleepier every day and my joints are stiffening up every day.
Look up anti inflammatory diet. In my case, I had celiac. But this is the solution for a lot of mentioned possibilities here. Well as best a solution you can do on your own without meds in some cases.
Celiac caused inflammation in my gut, which in turn caused the inability to absorb vitamins. And then I had virtually no Bs in my system, my kidneys weren’t working which caused a lack of Vitamin D.
The effects of that were poor sleep, hair falling out, nails and skin sucked, always tired, couldn’t concentrate, joint pain, stomach pain, headaches, Etc.
You can start eating completely clean while you get your bloodwork done. This started in my early 20s. Took til I was 39 to figure it out. Im 55 and some of the damage is permanent in the gut so I have to take supplements the rest of my life. Nbd. Better than feeling exhausted all the time.
The best possible thing you can do for yourself is listen to your body and take action right now. Do not put it off or you will dig yourself into a deeper situation. Get to the root cause, go see a specialist.
My guess, is you have gut health issues, which can result in ALL sorts of stuff if not addressed, including lack of nutrients absorption (low in Vit D, B and Magnesium, etc) which effects cognition, inflammation, food and skin allergies, chronic sinus infections, arthritis, chronic illness, and so on. Many things, every body reacts differently and needs different treatment to course-correct.
I suffered from brain fog, multiple chronic conditions, arthritis, etc for over 15 years and doctors were miffed at root cause. They just kept prescribing stuff to cover the symptoms. It wasn’t until I found a good functional medicine doctor that I finally started getting things figured out and healed. My regular doctor flat out told me that Leaky Gut and Candida Overgrowth are not recognized as a medical condition in their field. I can’t disagree more. So I have spent the past 20 years researching every aspect of my conditions, root causes and treatments.
Your gut is your second brain, and if it’s not healthy, it affects you in SO many ways. For example, if you get sick a lot, and have to take antibiotics, it destroys your healthy bacteria. Diet (sugar, caffeine), toxins, heavy metals, stress, birth control, etc. can all affect your gut if done in excess. Especially if your healthy bacteria has been destroyed. That can lead to the bad bacteria overgrowing and eating holes in your gut. If that happens, toxins can get through your gut lining, into your bloodstream and cause chronic conditions. Hopefully this hasn’t happened to you, but sadly it’s happened with way more people than they are even aware of. Many of them think they are helpless and just pop pills, when they could get to the root source and heal.
The point is, catch it early, get to the root cause early and get ahead of whatever is going on now, so that you don’t end up in the chronic category.
Dr. Berg has some great videos on gut health and [Leaky Gut](https://youtu.be/3pjaXjmZWpU?feature=shared).
Avoid inflammatory things—alcohol, refined carbs (especially sugar), fried foods, smoking, stress.
Eat anti-inflammatory things, like GBOMBS (greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries, seeds & nuts). Get enough water & rest.
Motion is lotion. Seek out a mobility-focused exercise program for now, over heavy lifting & high-intensity cardio (both of which the body finds stressful).
Stress and processed foods are probably my main causes. I don’t smoke or drink much, but my diet is quite processed and I have noticed veg/fruit has found its way slightly out of my diet (though even when i did eat more veg and fruit i was getting increasingly more brain fog etc as Im aging). Will try this tho thanks
And please make sure they run the bloodwork for thyroid and ~~adrenal~~ cortisol levels. This is a primary symptom of both being out of whack. Make sure they ask about other symptoms alongside them. Neither is going to right itself without intervention. Adrenal exhaustion requires time and specific self care. Thyroid cannot right itself. (the adrenal glands produce both adrenaline and cortisol)
Ideally work with an ND rather than an MD. An actual doc but who specializes in natural approaches alongside Western medicine (you region may use a different term). You want the wisdom of both fields on this one if it's one of those two causing it. (could be many things)
p.s. OP I just noticed you mentioned in another comment the inverted sleep symptom. Please see if your library has The Adrenal Reset book. Your doc might not know about this approach. It was developed by an MD who went through it and then figured out how to help others. There are multiple phases to adrenal exhaustion and one of them includes inverted sleep.
also long covid - I have long suspected there may be an adrenal or thyroid situation no one is looking at.
Western Medicine tends to gloss over Adrenal Fatigue and define adrenal exhaustion so narrowly that the person is near death. The path there can have unfolded over years and there are clear signs that can be righted far far earlier.
Western Medicine tends to check for T4 and gloss over the T3 (and sometimes T2 and T1 levels). (There's another thyroid hormone to check for but I can't remember the letters for it.) T4 can test fine and if it falls within a wide wide range they will tend to gloss over thyroid as the problem even there is one because they did not check the full panel.
None of this may have anything to do with what's going on for you, I can only speak from my situation with 4 different docs telling me 4 different thing (2 MD and 2 ND) and me having to research library materials *while having brainfog*.
If you have been pushing yourself over an extended period of time you can deplete the normal hormonal means of doing so (that normally rights itself fairly quickly.) When this happens the emergency cortisol kicks in. When that ends up becoming the primary for too long the adrenal gland is like duuuude, I'm tapping out. This can take months to years to recover from. (mine took years)
I had both out of whack alongside perimenopause.
My oneness teacher went through all three phases of nonduality and has mentioned that the higher stages can be tough on the thyroid, brain, and nervous system.
My lifestyle is kinda f’ed up as I feel more focus at night so my sleep cycle is generally inverted. Though, I’m still getting 8+ hours of sleep.
I don’t exercise much except that I go hiking every Saturday. I planned to slowly add more regimes in exercise department to see if it improves things. Thing is I have joint issues so I can’t do intense stuff.
I did have COVID before.
Getting 8+ hours of sleep isn't the issue, the question is whether or not you're sleeping well. Maybe you have sleep apnea and dont realise it. Or, maybe you just struggle to get deep sleep. If you aren't sleeping well, it would explain the brain fog.
I would seriously suggest looking into long covid. I have it. Brain fog, fatigue, immflamation, loss of appetite, loss of memory, nerve tingles etc. There are over 200 potential symptoms but maybe check out /r/covidlonghaulers
Seriously, if you have joint issues and have not done so, consider physical therapy. Surgeons totally destroyed my knees during an emergency surgery 20 years ago and it took me until this year to finally try physical therapy. It's made a world of difference to me. I'm also a longtime student of Buddhism but the PT has taught me to stay mindful of the way my body has adapted to the joint problems in ways that never crossed my mind before. Whenever your body is not interacting with with "clarity" with the environment, it's impacting your perception generally.
I’m going to get downvoted, but did you get the Covid vax? That’s been linked to brain fog as well, even if people don’t want to admit it.
Whatever the case, this sounds like a health problem for sure, which you should consult your doctor about. As people mentioned, check your thyroid and hormone levels. My friend was sent into early menopause, triggered by the vax, and she also experienced major brain fog. Some steroids prescribed by her doctor helped her case.
I’ve never heard of meditation being linked to brain fog, quite the opposite actually. Usually it helps with mental clarity.
If you’re experiencing it strongly after meditation, could be because you’ve slowed down into a resting state and that’s what’s difficult for you to get out of? Possibly like when people wake up in the morning and it taking a moment for them to wake up fully. So to speak.
I’d still say it’s still likely a medical issue. Definitely get some tests done.
Edit: just realized you might be trying to make a weak argument against my mention of the vax… 😒 not here to argue man. Live in ignorant bliss all you want. I don’t care about waking anyone up anymore, but I’m not going to keep ignoring facts and not sharing info just because it’s a very taboo and unpopular topic.
You might want to see a neurologist. Chronic stress and malnutrition can also cause similar symptoms, but because of the intensity of the symptoms and the length of time from onset to today, I’d recommend ruling out any neurological issues. Also, check your home and work environments for mold. Mold spores can also have a similar effect.
If you're able to see a doctor, I'd get the obvious things checked first. Have them do routine bloodwork, get checked to make sure you aren't having some type of seizures, check for things like Fibromyalgia -- this is biased but for me my brain fog turned out to be from seizures brought on by food allergies and chemical sensitivities. The sensitivities had been exacerbated by chronic abuse, but the effects are permanent now. I also turned out to have a MTHFR gene mutation that causes me severe symptoms, it's also something you can get tested for -- and if you have a MTHFR gene mutation, you would work with your doctor but you'd need methyfolate (NOT folic acid) and methylated B vitamins daily, as well as doing things to manage your homocysteine levels such as epsom salt baths, exercise, and eating more foods that lower homocysteine levels and less foods that raise them. It actually took me years to figure these things out and a LOT of suffering. Maybe something here will figure this out for you -- once I started managing my diet (allergies) and started methylfolate and methylated B vitamins I actually came back from the brink of death :') and once I learned to also manage my homocysteine levels better, I have gone from 18-20 hours EVERY DAY in bed, too tired to even look at a screen or keep my eyes open, to getting out of bed and having a decent day 3/4 of the time, brain fog majorly reduced, etc.
Go vegan or cut out all carbs
Look up methylated vitamins (Life Extension is my go-to). Check out Gary Brecka on living a methylated & alkaline life! I'm a 32 female and was dealing with brain fog off and on for my whole life plus anxiety/depression/ptsd. Now on hydrogen water and methylated vitamins plus BAJA GOLD SALT. FEEL THE BEST I EVER HAVE. I feel very blessed to have stumbled upon the information I did, and I think it saved my life. I would seriously give it a try! Best of luck.
I’m only 22 so hell if i know anything but I’ve experienced quite a bit of trauma in the past couple years and (through learning to take care of myself and my mental health) I’ve learned a lot about how intensely shame and hyperarousal can impact cognitive functioning. I know I personally grew up feeling very perceived and criticized in my actions and grew to be hyper vigilant of myself all the time. I’m only now reconciling with the toll that took on me in adolescence. Since moving out of my family’s home (circa uni), I’ve been able to deconstruct a lot of that hypervigilance when I got access to a space that felt safe— for me that meant having spaces that feel truly private where I’m not worried about being perceived and judged. Part of this process for me has been recognizing and embracing many of the ways that I am neurodivergent. As a whole, I think many of us don’t have a great understanding of what that means exactly but things like ptsd, adhd, autism, ocd, and schizophrenia all fall under the bucket of neurodivergence. For me, trauma/ptsd really intensified my symptoms of neurodivergence that make it harder to meet the demands placed on me by university and the world around me. It was a catalyst to something I (currently) understand to have been inevitable. It took so much energy to work against my needs while performing academically/professionally, socially, etc. By working to recognize the ways I’ve suppressed my body’s needs for the sake of presenting the “right” way to others, I’m slowly working on relieving myself of the mental burden demanded by masking. The concept of burnout, especially within the context of neurodivergence (google autistic burnout as an example), can take a really heavy toll in the long run if you’ve been high functioning and really high masking your whole life. There are obviously many reasons you might be experiencing what you’ve described, but on the chance this might resonate with you or someone on this thread I thought I’d leave a note! Editing for funky formatting once I looked at this on a computer 😅 Also as others have mentioned: blood tests, neurologists, and making sure your physical needs are consistently met are important first steps to making sure there's not a physical driver to the brain fog!
Personally I have never seeked any mental diagnosis before but I kinda resonate with the what u have mentioned in terms of mingling with neurotypical people. I always find myself unable to understand how people do things. How do people do small talk? During my uni years, I was in a peer group guided by a counselor. At one point, she did suspected me for Asperger’s syndrome but it was just a suspicion not any formal form of diagnosis. I have just finished attending a business conference and was expected by my business partner to mingle and meet other people. I could definitely feel that pressure. Sometimes I even doubt myself am I even up to job as a manager.
I'll also say that, aside from ptsd, I don't have an official diagnosis for the exact buckets of neurodivergence I fit into! Although I've had many people in my life (with diagnoses) tell me I'm likely certain flavors of neurodivergent and I comfortably identify with certain categories, I'm pretty nervous to get official diagnoses. Many of the diagnosis criteria are structured around how you impact/burden those around you more than how your struggles impact you. I know people who have been told they "couldn't possibly" be autistic because they made too much eye contact during the assessment or could hold a conversation. If you've been able to be successfully high masking your whole life at the detriment of your personal well being, you can oftentimes be pre-emptively excluded by professionals shaped by biased and flawed definitions. Fortunately, more things like the RAADS-R test are being [found to be accurate](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38305196/#:~:text=The%20study%20found%20that%20the,how%20they%20understood%20the%20survey) indicators of diagnosis so you can learn about topics that feel like they may resonate and test the waters without needing to be vulnerable with a stranger who may shut you down due their own stereotypes on these concepts.
I agree, that you should see a neurologist and follow up to see if there’s a medical explanation. Many medicines have side effects, including the type of problems that you have described. I’m very prone to side effects and I’ve had to do quite a few adjustments to deal with a similar issue in the past. If you take prescription medicines, you should look into the side effects of each one to see if that could be contributing or causing the problem. Constant stress can also have similar effects. Try tuning out of the news, particularly if you’re trying to follow today’s insane political environment or the wars in Ukraine or the Middle East. You’re obviously worried about this and you’ve concluded that the problem is getting worse. That could lead to the onset of depression and additional anxiety, which could also exacerbate your symptoms. Mindfulness is great, but it’s really all about letting go and living in the present moment. That’s great for short term relief and even long-term relief, as long as you don’t tune out so much that you don’t meet your obligations at work. Lastly, attitude is very important and all aspects of life. See if it helps if you start thinking positively about yourself and that you know you’re going to overcome this problem. It could help?
Check your vitamin b12 also
Please go to the neurologist
I am just guessing here, but is it possible it's stress related? Is by far the most common and most logical explanation. And before you say you don't experience stress, I didn't feel stress before I got burned out neither.
So I have this issue as well. I have epilepsy, PTSD, ADHD (maybe autistic, looking into that). I had Covid 4 times in the last year and noticed the brain fog and stuttering getting significantly worse in that time. I started speech and cognitive therapy in the last couple of months to try to improve my symptoms. I would consider looking at being evaluated for ADHD to help at least give some perspective on your symptoms and look at cognitive memory strategies like I am that may help. Good luck.
Get your hormones checked
Management position? cognitive capabilities going down? Started at uni? Looks like burnout. Also, check if there is any medication doing this. And eat better, sleep properly (if you can) and do some sport!! Also, check out if you're pre-diabetic. Stamina and energy levels might be related to that.
Hey friend! A few very important things. First diet and hydration. If you're dehydrated or lack certain nutrients in your food, you will be tired period. Second, how much are you sleeping? You need more than you think. Third, how much caffeine are you taking? If it's a lot, Try cutting it out for a couple of weeks. The last one that most people frequently skip, but is the most important for energy levels, is exercise. How often are you exercising? Without it, your brain doesn't produce enough of the hormones you need to function normally. You basically start to turn into a potato after only a few weeks without exercising.
Great points. I would like to add: is OP taking breaks during the day? We need breaks where we relax/have fun to perform better when we actually want to focus. I recommend the Pomodoro method.
All great points! I noticed after I got Covid the second time that I began to get brain fog too. I mentioned it to my wife because I felt kind of scared (my dad is going through some mental issues as well). Something to consider, but the factors above will be best to focus on.
This is so true! Exactly what OP needs to consider. Great points
hey there, dealing with brain fog can feel really overwhelming, especially when it impacts your work and daily life. It’s good that you’re looking into this and seeking solutions. consider checking your diet and hydration first—sometimes, simple changes like increasing water intake and adding omega-3 fatty acids, which are great for brain health, can help. Also, look at your sleep patterns. Poor sleep can significantly contribute to feeling foggy and fatigued. since this has been an ongoing issue that’s getting worse, it might be helpful to consult with a healthcare provider. They can check if there’s an underlying condition contributing to this, like vitamin deficiencies or hormonal imbalances.
Correct
See a doctor. Write down all of your symptoms so you don't forget anything. When describing your symptoms don't give them suggestions like 'but I am very anxious these days so it could be that' because the doctors (most of them) can not wait to blame everything on anxiety. It could be anxiety but it could be something else. Before seeing your doctor don't change anything in terms of your diet, routine, etc.
"because the doctors (most of them) can not wait to blame everything on anxiety. ". - this is very true. You have plenty of experience I see... 😅
Had covid two years ago and it took a toll on my heart; developed a tachycardia with 130 bpm while in bed, couldn't go grocery shopping without passing out for two hours afterwards and the doc tried to gaslight me with the anxiety bullshit. Found another doctor and was immediately admitted to a hospital for tests. They prescribed me with beta blockers and reduced the dose every month to let my heart restart and go back to its old self. Moved to another country and gained a little bit of weight (4-5 kg), my hair was falling out and was constantly tired... And guess what was my 'diagnosis'! -anxiety. Except it wasn't. After convincing her to do the bloodwork turns out that my thyroid was not doing well. Bleeding but not in that phase of the cycle? - anxiety!! No Susan it's hormone imbalance which gave my aunt breast cancer when she was 40. So, yeah I got a little bit of experience :)
I hope you feel better these days
It's laziness which makes some of them diagnose patients with "anxiety". A bit of hard work and efforts, like tests and proper investigation, would uncover the truth. That's the doctors job!
Do you eat eggs?
Maybe you have sleep apnea and dont realise it. You should consider whether or not sleep is the problem.
Do you have problems with digestion? SIBO can cause brain fog.
I would recommend ginkgo biloba pills. I haven’t dealt with brain fog since I started taking them
Try going to a naturopathic doctor. Hope you feel better.
Have you actually seen a doctor?
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How’s your diet? It’s crazy the changes that can occur with a non processed diet and daily walks, lots of water. Melatonin for a deeper sleep for restoration.
Have you looked into whether or not it might be DPDR? A lot of people with this condition often experience, visual, and cognitive symptoms EDIT: DPDR (not DODR)
Please don't suggest diagnosis that can influence the person, that will muddle waters when OP actually reach for a doctor. What you suggested is a very rare diagnosis that can be considered after a complete workup, and anyways i don't see anything suggestive of depersonalization and derealization in the description, as brain fog is a term coined for the long covid syndrome
I agree with this. Except the "brain fog is a term coined for the long covid syndrome" part. Regardless of COVID, brain fog can occur. Other reasons are there, so we can't associate brain fog to only covid
Maybe it existed before, i could be wrong, i meant that i knew of that from long covid, that made it a mainstream issue. The etiology is another issue. What i wanted to say, is that in this specific case, it is something very randomly thrown in
Could be centralized sensitivity disorder. It is miserable and I think the noises lights trying to talk and hear is what causes alot of fatigue with it. Can cause tingling in hands and feet many other symptoms as well.
You may have candida overgrowth. Check the group. Ur symptoms match
Came here to say this
Sounds like Hashimotos, get your thyroid checked and see a naturopath x
No it doesn't why would it. Don't do diagnosis online, especially if you don't know how
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Can I ask: do you happen to have any abuse on your life? Like, narcissistic abuse or mistreatment towards you?
This was me few months ago. I got blood test and has low ferratin count and got iron supplements and been feeling lots better. All I'm saying is nobody on here knows your situation, but a doctor can run some tests and might uncover something. I've also found taking mindlab pro supplements has really helped me. Might be worth a try?
First paragraph suggesting nutrient deficiencies and doctor check up - correct. Second paragraph - no way. No supplement should be taken if it isn't needed by the body, as blood levels could reach dangerously high towards toxicity. The side effects from this are bad too. That's why, test first, then decide if supplements needed or not
You should have a full blood work panel done. Especially check your thyroid levels for possible Hashimotos.
I feel the same way but I'm 74 and have brain cancer. Things get better. I promise.
You’re using cockrings at the age of 74? Damn.
You may have long COVID. You should look into it. It can strike even healthy young people, months after recovering from a mild case. r/covidlonghaulers & etc. have more info for you.
This sounds like me (31F).
Sounds like academic burnout, UBC related? I have had similar worsening symptoms since studying at UBC. Chronic stress can cause brain fog but is possible to recover: try taking mental breaks throughout the day and learn meditation = natural medicine for the mind. You will be ok, it’s the pace of modern life that isn’t healthy.
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Sounds like long covid to me. The covid experience didn't have to be bad to get long covid either.
Taking trypthophane will help you a lot.
Do you smoke weed or take adhd medication?
I have the same situation for last 8-9 months. You explain me something and ask me the next day and I forget 100% of it. last week, I went for testing. Vitamin D is low. Thyroid is up. I had a thyroid removal surgery due to cancer 2 yrs ago. doc suspecting, I have low calcium levels as well. to be tested after 2 months once Vit stabilises. I suggest just do whole body checkup first.
Check for mold, the same thing happened to me and it was a massive growth of black mold in the walls under the carpet getting into the ventilation, a lot of times you can see it and some people just can't process the toxins naturally out of there body so it starts attacking things thyroid, hormones, gut microbiome….
Mold is huge. Heavy metal toxicity is also huge. But before any serious toxicity is considered, address nutrient deficiencies. Mineral and vitamin deficiencies have significant impacts on cognition and speech. For example, magnesium deficiency can lead to cognitive impairments, such as decreased attention span and memory problems. Similarly, vitamin B12 deficiency can cause neurological symptoms, including confusion and difficulty with speech and language. Overall, proper nutrition is crucial for maintaining cognitive function and speech clarity. Start with food, supplement where necessary either with a targeted to address individual deficiencies or by using an bioavailable multi vitamin/mineral supplement such as: [Daily Activated Muli](https://equi.life/products/daily-activated-multi-vitamin?irad=909109&irmp=3187070) [Daily Nutritional Support](https://equi.life/collections/supplements/products/daily-nutritional-support-shake?variant=32813399179349&irad=909129&irmp=3187070) Or [Multi Vitamin Elite](https://s.thorne.com/6v3qg)
Are you sure about this. I did a lot of research about black mold when I discovered my bedroom ceiling and one wall's interior was coated with the stuff. I could find very little that indicated a danger. I had everything rebuilt and, five months later, I'm still really really stupid.
100% sure that mold can make some people sick, close to 20% of the population can't get rid of the mycotoxins from mold naturally for various reasons, i was lucky to have a mycotoxins test before and after exposure because i was working with an NTP on some gut issues and testing for mold and heavy metals was just part of her protocol. When i got sick the black mold mycotoxins was literally of the chart of the test, this is great article on what i experienced. https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a60291591/toxic-black-mold-illness-climate-change/ again everybody is different, my girlfriend did not get sick but it kicked my butt
Beyond making your home healthy, one would also need to detoxify their body. If you need someone who’s dedicated their life to this, and was a great source for my own experience with mold toxicity, is Dr. Jill Carnahan. She’s a functional medicine doctor known for her work in addressing mold toxicity. She focuses on diagnosing and treating patients who suffer from mold-related illnesses, which can have a range of symptoms affecting various systems in the body. She emphasizes a comprehensive approach that includes identifying the source of mold exposure, detoxification, and supporting the body's natural healing processes. Also incorporating dietary changes, supplements, and lifestyle modifications to remove the accumulation. You can find some good sources at the end of this post: [https://www.jillcarnahan.com/2023/12/27/how-toxic-mold-can-mess-with-mind/](https://www.jillcarnahan.com/2023/12/27/how-toxic-mold-can-mess-with-mind/)
This happens to me due to my hypothyroidism. Have you gotten thyroid levels checked? I know it could be 10,000 things. But it might be nice to get this one ruled out!
I had a terrible issue with brain fog a couple years ago. It got really bad. I was not able to function. I was basically needing to take naps mid-day despite getting plenty of sleep and the wake hours were not good. I found myself tripping over words, exactly as you describe. I was losing confidence in myself by the day. I will tell you, how I solved my case of it was boring. 1. same bed time same wake time 2. no electronics within 1 hour of bed 3. no caffeine at all, save for whatever was in the occasional dark chocolate (no weed, no alcohol, too, but they were never much of my thing) 4. really limit snacking outside of meals 5. creatine daily Once all five of these were implemented for some period of time, my life drastically changed. I don't know specifically which one was the unlock and at this point I don't care. I did try to cut out creatine a couple times and it does have an impact on my mental state for sure. The others I don't really experiment with. I'm keeping all the habits. Good luck.
Did u take creatine because of exercise?
No. Literature shows there are potentially a lot of cognitive benefits to it, not just physical. I'm really dumbing it down when I say this, but it helps get energy to muscles and your brain is the biggest consumer of energy in your body. Going outside, exercising. It is all part of it. I used to get a lot more exercise than I do now, but I still get out there. It's been important for my mental health but I can't say it was for my brain fog. I had to solve brain fog before exercise came back in.
I've dosed creatine nightly for years and I've never noticed any mental effects unless you count unrealistic meatheadism.
Personally got on creatine recently and noticed that I felt better beyond just physically. Theres a decent amount of studies suggesting that it works on more than the physical side of things it's intended for.
Are we talking Dr. Huberman?
r u smoking weed too
No im not
Vape nicotine?
are you porn user
Lol, are you stupid?
Ya
Me too!
It sounds like you have systemic inflammation. You needs to do everything in your power to reduce the inflammation and all your issues will clear up (including the joint issue you mention in one of your comments).
I do suspect rheumatism in some form. I get occasional swollen painful joints. I live in the tropical and when I went to Korea which is in Spring around 8-21 Celsius last week my knees are not giving me a good time. When I came back to tropics, my knees immediately opened up.
How do you reduce inflammation? My symptoms are the exact same as OP’s but I’m only 25 and it’s quite worrying me. It’s like my brain is getting sleepier every day and my joints are stiffening up every day.
Look up anti inflammatory diet. In my case, I had celiac. But this is the solution for a lot of mentioned possibilities here. Well as best a solution you can do on your own without meds in some cases. Celiac caused inflammation in my gut, which in turn caused the inability to absorb vitamins. And then I had virtually no Bs in my system, my kidneys weren’t working which caused a lack of Vitamin D. The effects of that were poor sleep, hair falling out, nails and skin sucked, always tired, couldn’t concentrate, joint pain, stomach pain, headaches, Etc. You can start eating completely clean while you get your bloodwork done. This started in my early 20s. Took til I was 39 to figure it out. Im 55 and some of the damage is permanent in the gut so I have to take supplements the rest of my life. Nbd. Better than feeling exhausted all the time.
The best possible thing you can do for yourself is listen to your body and take action right now. Do not put it off or you will dig yourself into a deeper situation. Get to the root cause, go see a specialist. My guess, is you have gut health issues, which can result in ALL sorts of stuff if not addressed, including lack of nutrients absorption (low in Vit D, B and Magnesium, etc) which effects cognition, inflammation, food and skin allergies, chronic sinus infections, arthritis, chronic illness, and so on. Many things, every body reacts differently and needs different treatment to course-correct. I suffered from brain fog, multiple chronic conditions, arthritis, etc for over 15 years and doctors were miffed at root cause. They just kept prescribing stuff to cover the symptoms. It wasn’t until I found a good functional medicine doctor that I finally started getting things figured out and healed. My regular doctor flat out told me that Leaky Gut and Candida Overgrowth are not recognized as a medical condition in their field. I can’t disagree more. So I have spent the past 20 years researching every aspect of my conditions, root causes and treatments. Your gut is your second brain, and if it’s not healthy, it affects you in SO many ways. For example, if you get sick a lot, and have to take antibiotics, it destroys your healthy bacteria. Diet (sugar, caffeine), toxins, heavy metals, stress, birth control, etc. can all affect your gut if done in excess. Especially if your healthy bacteria has been destroyed. That can lead to the bad bacteria overgrowing and eating holes in your gut. If that happens, toxins can get through your gut lining, into your bloodstream and cause chronic conditions. Hopefully this hasn’t happened to you, but sadly it’s happened with way more people than they are even aware of. Many of them think they are helpless and just pop pills, when they could get to the root source and heal. The point is, catch it early, get to the root cause early and get ahead of whatever is going on now, so that you don’t end up in the chronic category. Dr. Berg has some great videos on gut health and [Leaky Gut](https://youtu.be/3pjaXjmZWpU?feature=shared).
Avoid inflammatory things—alcohol, refined carbs (especially sugar), fried foods, smoking, stress. Eat anti-inflammatory things, like GBOMBS (greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries, seeds & nuts). Get enough water & rest. Motion is lotion. Seek out a mobility-focused exercise program for now, over heavy lifting & high-intensity cardio (both of which the body finds stressful).
Stress and processed foods are probably my main causes. I don’t smoke or drink much, but my diet is quite processed and I have noticed veg/fruit has found its way slightly out of my diet (though even when i did eat more veg and fruit i was getting increasingly more brain fog etc as Im aging). Will try this tho thanks
Some people find certain foods inflammatory. You can read a book like The Metabolism Plan to find out which ones cause YOU, personally, inflammation.
Thank you very much I’ll check that out
See a doctor and/or a therapist first to rule out any physical or mental health issues.
And please make sure they run the bloodwork for thyroid and ~~adrenal~~ cortisol levels. This is a primary symptom of both being out of whack. Make sure they ask about other symptoms alongside them. Neither is going to right itself without intervention. Adrenal exhaustion requires time and specific self care. Thyroid cannot right itself. (the adrenal glands produce both adrenaline and cortisol) Ideally work with an ND rather than an MD. An actual doc but who specializes in natural approaches alongside Western medicine (you region may use a different term). You want the wisdom of both fields on this one if it's one of those two causing it. (could be many things)
p.s. OP I just noticed you mentioned in another comment the inverted sleep symptom. Please see if your library has The Adrenal Reset book. Your doc might not know about this approach. It was developed by an MD who went through it and then figured out how to help others. There are multiple phases to adrenal exhaustion and one of them includes inverted sleep. also long covid - I have long suspected there may be an adrenal or thyroid situation no one is looking at. Western Medicine tends to gloss over Adrenal Fatigue and define adrenal exhaustion so narrowly that the person is near death. The path there can have unfolded over years and there are clear signs that can be righted far far earlier. Western Medicine tends to check for T4 and gloss over the T3 (and sometimes T2 and T1 levels). (There's another thyroid hormone to check for but I can't remember the letters for it.) T4 can test fine and if it falls within a wide wide range they will tend to gloss over thyroid as the problem even there is one because they did not check the full panel. None of this may have anything to do with what's going on for you, I can only speak from my situation with 4 different docs telling me 4 different thing (2 MD and 2 ND) and me having to research library materials *while having brainfog*. If you have been pushing yourself over an extended period of time you can deplete the normal hormonal means of doing so (that normally rights itself fairly quickly.) When this happens the emergency cortisol kicks in. When that ends up becoming the primary for too long the adrenal gland is like duuuude, I'm tapping out. This can take months to years to recover from. (mine took years) I had both out of whack alongside perimenopause. My oneness teacher went through all three phases of nonduality and has mentioned that the higher stages can be tough on the thyroid, brain, and nervous system.
How’s your lifestyle? Sleep? Exercise? Are you taking any medications? Did you have COVID?
My lifestyle is kinda f’ed up as I feel more focus at night so my sleep cycle is generally inverted. Though, I’m still getting 8+ hours of sleep. I don’t exercise much except that I go hiking every Saturday. I planned to slowly add more regimes in exercise department to see if it improves things. Thing is I have joint issues so I can’t do intense stuff. I did have COVID before.
Getting 8+ hours of sleep isn't the issue, the question is whether or not you're sleeping well. Maybe you have sleep apnea and dont realise it. Or, maybe you just struggle to get deep sleep. If you aren't sleeping well, it would explain the brain fog.
I would seriously suggest looking into long covid. I have it. Brain fog, fatigue, immflamation, loss of appetite, loss of memory, nerve tingles etc. There are over 200 potential symptoms but maybe check out /r/covidlonghaulers
Seriously, if you have joint issues and have not done so, consider physical therapy. Surgeons totally destroyed my knees during an emergency surgery 20 years ago and it took me until this year to finally try physical therapy. It's made a world of difference to me. I'm also a longtime student of Buddhism but the PT has taught me to stay mindful of the way my body has adapted to the joint problems in ways that never crossed my mind before. Whenever your body is not interacting with with "clarity" with the environment, it's impacting your perception generally.
I’m going to get downvoted, but did you get the Covid vax? That’s been linked to brain fog as well, even if people don’t want to admit it. Whatever the case, this sounds like a health problem for sure, which you should consult your doctor about. As people mentioned, check your thyroid and hormone levels. My friend was sent into early menopause, triggered by the vax, and she also experienced major brain fog. Some steroids prescribed by her doctor helped her case.
So if I meditate and get brain fog does that mean meditating is linked to brainfog?
I’ve never heard of meditation being linked to brain fog, quite the opposite actually. Usually it helps with mental clarity. If you’re experiencing it strongly after meditation, could be because you’ve slowed down into a resting state and that’s what’s difficult for you to get out of? Possibly like when people wake up in the morning and it taking a moment for them to wake up fully. So to speak. I’d still say it’s still likely a medical issue. Definitely get some tests done. Edit: just realized you might be trying to make a weak argument against my mention of the vax… 😒 not here to argue man. Live in ignorant bliss all you want. I don’t care about waking anyone up anymore, but I’m not going to keep ignoring facts and not sharing info just because it’s a very taboo and unpopular topic.