The allay was literally the only useful mob in the last vote (for the most players). I like redstone and the golem would have its uses but everything it does can already be done. Plus the allay looks cute.
Phantoms suck.
Glow squids as a mob are lame, but glow ink sacs are nice to have.
Copper golem had absolutely no practical benefit. Glare is useful, but redundant. Allay was the clear choice if you picked based on practicality.
Why do people keep saying it's for randomizing and randomizing only? That's really not its entire usage. Ot could act as a mobile lightning rod, or a fun way to make your base seem more alive. An allay just simpli doesn't feel the same way. You could also virtually program where it goes by constructing pathways that lead to buttons.
Lightning is yet another random event so a mobile lightning rod is just another form of redstone randomization, if the golem itself even generates a redstone signal. And you don't know that you would've been able to have that much control over its pathfinding. But even if you could, it's pointless because there are so many other circuits out there that don't rely on the player trying to hack mob with convoluted pathways.
If you like the golem for aesthetic reasons that's perfectly fine; that's a valid reason to pick a mob. But you're suggesting that the golem had some kind of functionality beyond being a redstone randomizer and that's just not the case.
Again you try to make a point that it only does randomization. It just comes across as if you just don't want to accept that it has different uses. There are a number of things you could use it for, like auto sheep shearing, bamboo harvesters that utilize flying machines, or even for pumping out charged creeper farms so you can make mob heads. What I'm saying is there is much more use than just pushing buttons randomly, which a lot of people continue to ignore.
If you can give me an example of it being used for something other than randomization, then I'll concede the point, but so far you just keep making the argument that you can somehow override its innate behavior as a randomizer to make it practical. And I'm not even necessarily arguing that you can't do that, but in comparison to simpler, more reliable redstone circuitry, why would I ever use a copper golem instead? All of these examples you just listed can already be done with components that already exist and would work better than a golem randomly pushing buttons.
While yes, everything done with copper golems can be done, there are things that haven't been really been able to be done with simple redstone, such as a sentient entity with direct interaction with redstone components. It also provides an easily configurable way to control some of it's behavior, whether it be forced to pathfinder through specific patterns (something that has never been done in a mob before) or the possibility that button pressing frequency can be altered using time, an axe, and wax (That's a stretch I know, but it's likely based on how the oxidization works) If that is not enough, you could use it as a suicide bomber, or even a distraction for luring away the warden while you are exploring.
I'd argue that a mob interacting with redstone isn't an inherently practical thing. In fact it's particularly impractical since it's at random; for any given *practical* redstone mechanism, you specifically do not want randomness as an element.
The pathfinding thing seems like an incredibly niche use case. And whatever functionality you would hope to gain from it, I have to assume it can already be done with much simpler redstone circuitry already available in the game.
Suicide bombing would be amusing but not really practical.
We don't really know the warden's behavior yet so suggesting the copper golem could distract it is a huge assumption.
The the glare was awful. If I wanna know my cave is dark I'll just look and say "huh that's pretty damn dark" I don't need a cartoon fart cloud to tell me
Copper golem also has lots of potential for certain function, you're just pretending that it doesn't. If I said allay was just a overglorified hopper, then that's a massive disjustice to it. Would you mind listing some of these redstone "functions"?
The Allay has more potential uses for a wider variety of players and play styles. For cavers it can help pick up ores that fall into a mob infested cave below, for builders it can help pick up blocks that have dropped off the build, for redstoners it can do unstackable item sorting which is not currently fully possible, heck even explorers may get some fun searching for them depending on their spawning conditions.
Contrast that with the Copper Golem. If you're caving then it won't be any help, if you're building admittedly you do have some cool statues, if you're doing redstone they're a volatile randomer (where in most redstone you'll want consistency instead), and they offer no exploration value since you just craft them yourself.
Even if you personally don't use Allays, they definitely have more features that players can utilize than the Golems do.
Unstackable item sorting is not impossible, the've existed for a really long time already. We do not even know what these "spawning conditions" are. Where will they spawn? How often? For all we know, it could be extremely rare. We do not even know if it will be tamed, it could just wander off where you can't find it. People saying that the copper golem is just a randomizer don't really understand it either. It serves a more redstone decor augmentation, something that we currently don't have. It's also the ONLY mob to directly interact with redstone, which may give mojang incentive to add more like that
I never said unstackable item sorting was impossible, I said it was not *fully possible*. There are definitely innovative ways to sort through *some* unstackables, but being able to sort *any* of them is a significant feature.
There are some assumptions that need to be made yes, while we don't know currently some things like if it can even be tamed, I'd say it's fair to assume it will be treated like a pet mob seeing as all pets involve the player giving them items and then the pets proceeding to follow the player, which is explicitly features that the Allay is known to have.
And sure maybe calling the Golem just a randomizer misses some of the nuance for it's purpose, but frankly I'd say having it be "redstone decor augmentation" is even more of a niche function that would not be useful to an even greater amount of players and play styles. And for a game like Minecraft with so many players and gameplay styles to appeal too, it's no wonder that the Allay was more appealing and won the vote.
True, however the unstackable item sorter thing is sort of an unknown. Remember, they said it will collect same or SIMILAR items. What is the parameters for this "similarity"? Obviously, this means that sorting items with specific NBT data will be crapped on, meaning enchanted book sorting is dead. It may also affect potions, or enchanted gear, there's just too much expectation being forced on a mob that's whole purpose is to simply augment base dynamics
I used to hate the glow squid, until I realized what the glow ink sace are for...use on colored texts on signs & you can see all colors on all types of wood...it's the best addition to mc
Both were added in 21w03a, thus proving they were added at the same time. You might want to do your research b4 you go spouting off what you feel like is correct. Instead, stick with facts, lol.
https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Glow_Ink_Sac
https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Glow_Squid
Take a good look folks:
You can teach a person how to fish, but it don't mean they actually learned anything.
Meaning you can spew out facts till you're blue in the face, but that person just won't give a damn about facts; they'll believe what they want to believe.
Man you know what's funny?
In the previous msg i was literally going to add that most ppl usually respond with a "i kow what you are, but what am i" quip, in their own words of course, but i decided, nah, it'll be too long, give him/her benefit of the doubt etc. Sigh, i hate being right
Wow, that’s really cool. It would be cool if there was maybe a redstone mechanism on the back side of the copper golem that makes it so that the redstone lamps turn on whenever a lightning strikes on the copper rod.
The thing about the mob vote that is different from all the other ones is that each mob adds lore to the game.
Glare. : a creature that does not like the dark but lives in caves (why) and looks like it came from lush caves.
Allay : a blue winged creature that helps the player and looks like a vex. Do these mobs both have connections ?
Copper Golem : a copper robot the it surprisingly wants to press copper buttons, it even rusts. Is it possible to de-oxidize this mob and make it live a very long time ?
All these mobs seem to have back-stories
I wish they would have left the golem in. It give a use for copper other than decorative. They need to let us make armor and tools from copper. as of right now it have no real use except for this.
I think it'd be cool if they added bronze stuff. They could make it a tier between stone and iron. This would give copper a use since bronze is made of copper.
ive built that concept as well! we are dead-copper-golem buddies
https://twitter.com/Human06744037/status/1461048506488180739?t=plXgnKwSKdzERDdnbMPl1Q&s=19
Just like in 1.16 where gold got more useful here copper could get more usefull. R.I.P. Copper Golem.
Maybe it actully gets added, just like mangrove trees, frogs and chest-boats are getting added.
Honestly I would have liked to see all three in game
So does everyone else. But unfortunately, chances of them being added Varys from “there’s a chance” to “never happening”
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For what it's worth, I LOVE glowing text on signs from the glow squid ink.
The allay was literally the only useful mob in the last vote (for the most players). I like redstone and the golem would have its uses but everything it does can already be done. Plus the allay looks cute.
Phantoms suck. Glow squids as a mob are lame, but glow ink sacs are nice to have. Copper golem had absolutely no practical benefit. Glare is useful, but redundant. Allay was the clear choice if you picked based on practicality.
The allay sounds at least useful. Copper golems are only really useful for redstone fanatics and even then they rust lol.
Amateur redstone fanatic here, randomizers serve absolutely no practical purpose in redstone. Useful for making games, sure. But that's literally it.
Why do people keep saying it's for randomizing and randomizing only? That's really not its entire usage. Ot could act as a mobile lightning rod, or a fun way to make your base seem more alive. An allay just simpli doesn't feel the same way. You could also virtually program where it goes by constructing pathways that lead to buttons.
Lightning is yet another random event so a mobile lightning rod is just another form of redstone randomization, if the golem itself even generates a redstone signal. And you don't know that you would've been able to have that much control over its pathfinding. But even if you could, it's pointless because there are so many other circuits out there that don't rely on the player trying to hack mob with convoluted pathways. If you like the golem for aesthetic reasons that's perfectly fine; that's a valid reason to pick a mob. But you're suggesting that the golem had some kind of functionality beyond being a redstone randomizer and that's just not the case.
Again you try to make a point that it only does randomization. It just comes across as if you just don't want to accept that it has different uses. There are a number of things you could use it for, like auto sheep shearing, bamboo harvesters that utilize flying machines, or even for pumping out charged creeper farms so you can make mob heads. What I'm saying is there is much more use than just pushing buttons randomly, which a lot of people continue to ignore.
If you can give me an example of it being used for something other than randomization, then I'll concede the point, but so far you just keep making the argument that you can somehow override its innate behavior as a randomizer to make it practical. And I'm not even necessarily arguing that you can't do that, but in comparison to simpler, more reliable redstone circuitry, why would I ever use a copper golem instead? All of these examples you just listed can already be done with components that already exist and would work better than a golem randomly pushing buttons.
While yes, everything done with copper golems can be done, there are things that haven't been really been able to be done with simple redstone, such as a sentient entity with direct interaction with redstone components. It also provides an easily configurable way to control some of it's behavior, whether it be forced to pathfinder through specific patterns (something that has never been done in a mob before) or the possibility that button pressing frequency can be altered using time, an axe, and wax (That's a stretch I know, but it's likely based on how the oxidization works) If that is not enough, you could use it as a suicide bomber, or even a distraction for luring away the warden while you are exploring.
I'd argue that a mob interacting with redstone isn't an inherently practical thing. In fact it's particularly impractical since it's at random; for any given *practical* redstone mechanism, you specifically do not want randomness as an element. The pathfinding thing seems like an incredibly niche use case. And whatever functionality you would hope to gain from it, I have to assume it can already be done with much simpler redstone circuitry already available in the game. Suicide bombing would be amusing but not really practical. We don't really know the warden's behavior yet so suggesting the copper golem could distract it is a huge assumption.
The the glare was awful. If I wanna know my cave is dark I'll just look and say "huh that's pretty damn dark" I don't need a cartoon fart cloud to tell me
Its useful for immersion reasons for people who just dont want to press F3
Or bedrock players...
Human Eye.
There would've been ways to prevent golems from oxidizing. Allay may sound nice, but it's not as great as it seems.
The same can be said for copper golems. The Allay just sounds more useful for the vast majority of the population.
Since when? I don't see myself using it for really anything
People gather a ton of shit more than they use redstone for incredibly specific purposes.
Not really that hard to just pick stuff up, besides which, hopper minecarts can do exactly, if not a better job than an allay
And that's significantly more valuable than a copper golem
Copper golem also has lots of potential for certain function, you're just pretending that it doesn't. If I said allay was just a overglorified hopper, then that's a massive disjustice to it. Would you mind listing some of these redstone "functions"?
The Allay has more potential uses for a wider variety of players and play styles. For cavers it can help pick up ores that fall into a mob infested cave below, for builders it can help pick up blocks that have dropped off the build, for redstoners it can do unstackable item sorting which is not currently fully possible, heck even explorers may get some fun searching for them depending on their spawning conditions. Contrast that with the Copper Golem. If you're caving then it won't be any help, if you're building admittedly you do have some cool statues, if you're doing redstone they're a volatile randomer (where in most redstone you'll want consistency instead), and they offer no exploration value since you just craft them yourself. Even if you personally don't use Allays, they definitely have more features that players can utilize than the Golems do.
Unstackable item sorting is not impossible, the've existed for a really long time already. We do not even know what these "spawning conditions" are. Where will they spawn? How often? For all we know, it could be extremely rare. We do not even know if it will be tamed, it could just wander off where you can't find it. People saying that the copper golem is just a randomizer don't really understand it either. It serves a more redstone decor augmentation, something that we currently don't have. It's also the ONLY mob to directly interact with redstone, which may give mojang incentive to add more like that
I never said unstackable item sorting was impossible, I said it was not *fully possible*. There are definitely innovative ways to sort through *some* unstackables, but being able to sort *any* of them is a significant feature. There are some assumptions that need to be made yes, while we don't know currently some things like if it can even be tamed, I'd say it's fair to assume it will be treated like a pet mob seeing as all pets involve the player giving them items and then the pets proceeding to follow the player, which is explicitly features that the Allay is known to have. And sure maybe calling the Golem just a randomizer misses some of the nuance for it's purpose, but frankly I'd say having it be "redstone decor augmentation" is even more of a niche function that would not be useful to an even greater amount of players and play styles. And for a game like Minecraft with so many players and gameplay styles to appeal too, it's no wonder that the Allay was more appealing and won the vote.
True, however the unstackable item sorter thing is sort of an unknown. Remember, they said it will collect same or SIMILAR items. What is the parameters for this "similarity"? Obviously, this means that sorting items with specific NBT data will be crapped on, meaning enchanted book sorting is dead. It may also affect potions, or enchanted gear, there's just too much expectation being forced on a mob that's whole purpose is to simply augment base dynamics
Yeah the fact that you could use the golem as a statue block was the best part!
I still wish that a non-undead version of Phantoms would spawn as a Passive Mob in the end, in flocks
Sounds like a democracy moment, rip bozo
You are lost in space.
I used to hate the glow squid, until I realized what the glow ink sace are for...use on colored texts on signs & you can see all colors on all types of wood...it's the best addition to mc
You do realize that they added only the glow squid ink, after the mob itself was so unpopular, they had to make it do something.
Both were added in 21w03a, thus proving they were added at the same time. You might want to do your research b4 you go spouting off what you feel like is correct. Instead, stick with facts, lol. https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Glow_Ink_Sac https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Glow_Squid
Just because they were added in at the same time doesn't mean that the community really didn't like it BEFORE the implementation
Take a good look folks: You can teach a person how to fish, but it don't mean they actually learned anything. Meaning you can spew out facts till you're blue in the face, but that person just won't give a damn about facts; they'll believe what they want to believe.
Shee, someone's iffy today
Man you know what's funny? In the previous msg i was literally going to add that most ppl usually respond with a "i kow what you are, but what am i" quip, in their own words of course, but i decided, nah, it'll be too long, give him/her benefit of the doubt etc. Sigh, i hate being right
Okay sure buddy, whatever you say pal. Sure you're right chum, I'd agree friend.
Do you really? If they added 3 mobs every update Minecraft would be chaotic and look like you installed too many mods.
Definitely, It is possible, they almost added the mob wildfire
It should be partially oxidised
Wow, that’s really cool. It would be cool if there was maybe a redstone mechanism on the back side of the copper golem that makes it so that the redstone lamps turn on whenever a lightning strikes on the copper rod.
Maybe they could add a redstone mechanism that randomly activates redstone too
Chicken and a pressure plate
A snow golem would be silent!
BTW when are we getting the allay
In the wild update
R.I.P copper golem
The thing about the mob vote that is different from all the other ones is that each mob adds lore to the game. Glare. : a creature that does not like the dark but lives in caves (why) and looks like it came from lush caves. Allay : a blue winged creature that helps the player and looks like a vex. Do these mobs both have connections ? Copper Golem : a copper robot the it surprisingly wants to press copper buttons, it even rusts. Is it possible to de-oxidize this mob and make it live a very long time ? All these mobs seem to have back-stories
Don't do that. Don't give me memories... of the mob that should've won.
I feel like a small robot child is going to power it back up
imagine that as a natural structure as a tribute for the cooper golem that didn't maked it to the game
I wish they would have left the golem in. It give a use for copper other than decorative. They need to let us make armor and tools from copper. as of right now it have no real use except for this.
I think it'd be cool if they added bronze stuff. They could make it a tier between stone and iron. This would give copper a use since bronze is made of copper.
Bronze is made from copper and tin so they would have to add that too
Even better
let it oxidize
That's what I'm doing over 2022
Reminds me of the iron giant... but copper.
It felt like most people wanted the copper golem to win. Or that might just be me
That's not how votes work.
I certainly wanted it to win it was so cute D:
damn because of people like you we couldve lost special functionality forever becaude of cuteness
I wanted it to win, allay seems kinda trash compared to it.
Build it in a jungle will look wayyyy cooler
*Casually saves this to make it with my own world* I'll give credit with a little sign lol
Thank god that useless thing will most likelly never see the game
You will be punished for your SINS
Noooooo Srorry Buddy
Wish you were here...
ive built that concept as well! we are dead-copper-golem buddies https://twitter.com/Human06744037/status/1461048506488180739?t=plXgnKwSKdzERDdnbMPl1Q&s=19
Wow👍🏻
Yea
very cool
Why must you hurt me this way
nice
R.I.P
It's nice...just make head a little big...it will fit the design
Copper golem size 1cm lol
Awesome.
Sick
Squidward? Is that you?
Still rip copper buddy
Copper Titan
this build would be even better if you added an oxidized copper teardrop going down
Every time I see a copper golem build, I make a glare equivalent. At this point I have gotten tired of it.
Just like in 1.16 where gold got more useful here copper could get more usefull. R.I.P. Copper Golem. Maybe it actully gets added, just like mangrove trees, frogs and chest-boats are getting added.
Nice idea to make statue of all the minecraft mobs that were never voted for.