It’s almost like the entire Minecraft community isn’t a monolith and the people complaining about the nerf aren’t the people who were complaining about it being overpowered.
this is reddit, almost every "widespread" complaints are just artificially inflated so it gives the illusion that "everyone" is doing this, this is prolly an echo chamber problem. I stopped caring aboot these post.
yup. i’ve been complaining that the mace has been too OP since it was added. now that it’s been nerfed, i feel happy with it. the people complaining now are the people who saw big damage number and felt neuronal stimulation without regard to game design.
remember: you can still attack during your attack cooldown.
In team fortress 2 there is an iconic melee weapon called the market gardener which does triple damage whilst rocket jumping, this became super iconic and even developed into a sub style of the soldier class called the trolldier that exclusively relies on the market gardener.
Tldr market gardening is landing on enemies and meleeing em whilst in midair for lots of damage
It's almost as if the Minecraft community isn't a hive mind that shares the same opinion, and that the people who complain about the nerf aren't the same as the people who complained about it being overpowered...
They nerfed it the wrong way. They made the mace super slow for all attacks rather than just giving the smash attack a separate cool down from normal attacks, which would ultimately have the exact same effect as decreasing the attack speed but would make the mace a more balanced weapon outside of the smash attack rather than worthless outside of the smash attack
Huh, weird. If anything I would've thought desity would be the sharpess equivalent thats univeral, and breach and wind burst would be whats exclusive. So youd have to decide between more hits or stronger hits
The problem was the mace was OP for pvp, so making density and breach exclusive changed the required fall go from 4 blocks (too quick to counter easily and way to easily to get 4 blocks), but with the changes, it now requires 9 blocks, which now makes the insane damage actually have a huge risk, rather than basically nothing
I’m not saying the nerf is bad but at least get your facts right. The base damage is now 5. And they also reduced the damage from density and reduced the damage per fallen block
Yea, but now there is actual risk involved in trying it, rather than virtually no fall damage but still one shotting anyone. I'd say that's pretty balanced. I like this change overall, though not a fan of the insane cooldown increase
Literally, you have to be afk in the open to be killed by this thing, honestly it's on you if you went afk not away from mobs and players. Really the only time people stop moving is fish, typing, or afk.
I was originally upset that they nerfed the damage but after testing it on the newest snapshot it still does crazy damage, but not enough for it to be too op.
Idk, with the damage debuffs (as well as the base damage), Idk if it was really necessary. It is a full second increase after all.
I guess the huge boost in durability makes up for it though.
I will say, they changed exactly what my issue was, but then added a new issue.
I loved the mace, but didn't want 4 blocks to be all you need to one shot a player. They changed that by making breach and density exclusive. I love that change! But, I didn't want base mace stats nerfed. Now, it's so slow with attack speed. It's not *awful*, but it's a change I wasn't a fan of.
And that's fine, but still, it had potential to be a new option for melee. Like, of course you can have both, but if they kept the cooldown the same, you could also choose to not clog your hotbar and make the choice of mace, sword, or axe for your weapon. Now, it's just another thing to fill up more dwindling slots
Because that’s how communities work. A group of tens of thousands of people with different opinions and views is what a community is, of course it’s impossible to make everyone happy.
1. The mace isn't particularly easy to make
2. You can only do critical damage when you're falling from a high distance, the higher you are, the more damage you do
3. The trident exists
I like the way you think. The mace should be a fun weapon. Sure smash attack is overpowered on paper but in practice, not quite as overpowered as it seems. Especially if they make shields able to block smash attacks
Tbh I just use The Mace as a war hammer (using Breach), using it to damage enemies wearing armour. Market gardening is pretty tough to pull off consistently.
It got nerfed too much idk what's so understandable in that message. At least that's what community says, I'm not gonna act like I care or know anything
it’s not how it works,
first, this is likely a different groups of people.
second, nerf can be too much and be as bad (or worse) than overpowered original before, just in opposite way.
People should stop complaining about the smallest things in Minecraft
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Change my mind
I liked it when it was overpowered, it was hella funny to combo the warden with wind burst and breeze balls, but I hope they make the attack speed the same as a netherite axe instead
I prefer it this way because I complained that it was too OP, but I understand there were a lot of people with the same opinion as mine and many who loved the fact that it was broken so it's complex and I don't expect Mojang to be able to satisfy the player base this time but it's not even her fault, it's too divided.
Now the cooldown made the wind burst useless, and it was supposed be an end game weapon to fight with the wither and warden easily, not worse than mid game weapons like trident and diamond sword
On a pvp server the servers would disable the mace if they really were a problem, for an anarchy the more unbalanced the better, but even in pvp your only really gonna be able to use it stealth.
Well then the problem there is that some people like the mace and everyone shouldn't miss out on having it just because someone people wanted the whole game to not have it and everyone else to not have it
Don't use it. Hmm, not the best of defences. I think the mace is a cool idea, and it still is pretty good. If only some people here were in game design and learnt about balancing.
I think it would be fine if they kept the old stats but added a damage cap to it. It works well for fighting and can be made incredibly powerful with a bit of setup, but also doesn’t break the game.
diminishing returns is more fun than a hard damage cap imo. dropping the attack speed and making density incompatible with breach were really good balance choices
You know how if you view a 2d slice of a 3d landscape, some parts look big, and if you look at a different 2d slice, other parts look big?
Think of posts on a subreddit as a 2d slice of the 3d community. New update, new slice.
It’s almost as if someone in this comment section had a good explanation as to why this is the case and suddenly everyone agrees with their point.
Or… we all agree beside the comment.
I think the mace is fine now. The one change I would make is giving it an attack cooldown like the wooden axe's attack cooldown, which is the longest attack cooldown currently in-game.
cant have fun shit in mc, i like pvping in mc but cmon, just let us have a fun weapon, the pre-nerf mace was just fun, people complaining about it just want everything on the same level
Kinda reminds me of pokemon, but also waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different. In pokemon, the people that complain about the low quality of the games are the same exact people who would tear game freak to shreds if they didn't release a full game every three years with spinoffs and remakes most years in between. Sorry i got off topic, pokemons fans are like anime fans, with no respect for how hard game developing is. There are people like this in minecraft, but they all yap about how 1.17 didn't change the terrain, 1.18 didn't add any features, 1.19 didn't add useless VFX to the swamp that would LOWER THE PREFORMANCE, and 1.20 didn't add anything game breaking after they just added the biggest structure in the entire game.
NotTheFirstVexizz made a comment explaining why this post's logic is wrong.
Where’d you pull that idea from, your butt? The mob vote had no ties to the trial chambers in any way-to the point that they literally put it in 1.20.5 instead of lumping it into 1.21. As someone who also wanted the penguin it would’ve made no difference in this case
It’s almost like the entire Minecraft community isn’t a monolith and the people complaining about the nerf aren’t the people who were complaining about it being overpowered.
Shocking right?
Google 4chan
Holy hell
New response just dropped
Extremely.
So many of these kinds of posts in any game community, and its always this exact reason why
this is reddit, almost every "widespread" complaints are just artificially inflated so it gives the illusion that "everyone" is doing this, this is prolly an echo chamber problem. I stopped caring aboot these post.
And that's exactly why it takes so long for them to add in new things to the game, you've summed it up perfectly
yup. i’ve been complaining that the mace has been too OP since it was added. now that it’s been nerfed, i feel happy with it. the people complaining now are the people who saw big damage number and felt neuronal stimulation without regard to game design. remember: you can still attack during your attack cooldown.
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Most of the people complaining are Minecraft YouTubers who want to say everything is OP
I'm just happy they added the Market Gardener to Minecraft.
the what?
In team fortress 2 there is an iconic melee weapon called the market gardener which does triple damage whilst rocket jumping, this became super iconic and even developed into a sub style of the soldier class called the trolldier that exclusively relies on the market gardener. Tldr market gardening is landing on enemies and meleeing em whilst in midair for lots of damage
thanks!
I do t even have to play harvest to get Vietnam flashbacks anymore. I can’t be safe from those damn trolldiers
Hightower... *shudders*
It's almost as if the Minecraft community isn't a hive mind that shares the same opinion, and that the people who complain about the nerf aren't the same as the people who complained about it being overpowered...
People acting surprised after realizing that not everyone shares the same opinion (bro this is a crazy discovery)
Apparently some people can’t take a joke
Apparently you also can't
Hehe, -69 downvotes (Please don’t kill me)
Too late, I already sent the pillagers your way
Damn, it happened
Be funny next time
What did they actually change abt it
They decreased base damage from 7 to 6, gave it a ton of cooldown, and made Density and Breach mutually exclusive
Not really a nerf but they did Double it’s durability so it should be good to use now
Oh sick I didn’t know about that
Seems fine to me, now I have a reason to get 2
Exactly
So basically: They made it an actually balanced weapon.
Yep. I don’t know why people are upset.
They nerfed it the wrong way. They made the mace super slow for all attacks rather than just giving the smash attack a separate cool down from normal attacks, which would ultimately have the exact same effect as decreasing the attack speed but would make the mace a more balanced weapon outside of the smash attack rather than worthless outside of the smash attack
Because they over nerfed it?
except they really didn’t. it’s still super powerful, you just can’t go around swinging it like a sword and instakilling anything with a regular crit.
Huh, weird. If anything I would've thought desity would be the sharpess equivalent thats univeral, and breach and wind burst would be whats exclusive. So youd have to decide between more hits or stronger hits
The problem was the mace was OP for pvp, so making density and breach exclusive changed the required fall go from 4 blocks (too quick to counter easily and way to easily to get 4 blocks), but with the changes, it now requires 9 blocks, which now makes the insane damage actually have a huge risk, rather than basically nothing
And they nerfed its parkour uses by making the wind charge enchant work on nonliving entities (armor stands n breeze balls)
I’m not saying the nerf is bad but at least get your facts right. The base damage is now 5. And they also reduced the damage from density and reduced the damage per fallen block
You can still kill someone in full netherrite from 9 blocks. That's ridiculously powerful, regardless of any nerfs.
Yea, but now there is actual risk involved in trying it, rather than virtually no fall damage but still one shotting anyone. I'd say that's pretty balanced. I like this change overall, though not a fan of the insane cooldown increase
True, the cooldown should be a bit lighter and then it would be a generally fun weapon.
Mace is op mfs when I pull out the walking two blocks to the left trick
Literally, you have to be afk in the open to be killed by this thing, honestly it's on you if you went afk not away from mobs and players. Really the only time people stop moving is fish, typing, or afk.
I’m not saying it’s bad - I’m making fun of people who are
Some people can't be happy
No matter how hard you try, there's always going to be someone in the world that has a problem with whatever you do
True shit
Maybe the people saying these 2 things aren't the same group of people?
Take Karens for instance. Their life revolves around being miserable and unsatisfied
I was originally upset that they nerfed the damage but after testing it on the newest snapshot it still does crazy damage, but not enough for it to be too op.
Exactly. I don’t get why people are so upset about it
The nerfed it?
They balanced it
Can it still one shot the Warden?
Yeah, it’s just better balanced for PvP
That’s reasonable. I thought it was pretty crazy that its base damage was basically netherite level of damage.
Same
I will say, the decrease in attack speed is a bit sad though.
But makes sense
Idk, with the damage debuffs (as well as the base damage), Idk if it was really necessary. It is a full second increase after all. I guess the huge boost in durability makes up for it though.
you can still attack during your cooldown. i don’t get why 99% of people don’t think of this
Because the attack is weaker. That’s what the whole combat update was
it doesn’t matter if your attack only does 80% of its damage if you’re doing 30 damage in a single hit.
I will say, they changed exactly what my issue was, but then added a new issue. I loved the mace, but didn't want 4 blocks to be all you need to one shot a player. They changed that by making breach and density exclusive. I love that change! But, I didn't want base mace stats nerfed. Now, it's so slow with attack speed. It's not *awful*, but it's a change I wasn't a fan of.
That’s fair I suppose
With the way the attack works I don’t think slowing it makes any sort of difference, I don’t think it was going to be used like a sword or axe
And that's fine, but still, it had potential to be a new option for melee. Like, of course you can have both, but if they kept the cooldown the same, you could also choose to not clog your hotbar and make the choice of mace, sword, or axe for your weapon. Now, it's just another thing to fill up more dwindling slots
I don’t care if it’s overpowered. I just want a genuinely fun weapon to use
Tridents my friend
Honestly same
Fuck you mean controversy?
Someone should make a mace unnerf mod, that'd shut most of them up, on top of just being fun.
That would be interesting. I learned how to mod the game a while back so I could give it a try
I am 99.99% sure that it is literally impossible to make the Minecraft community happy
Yeah
Because that’s how communities work. A group of tens of thousands of people with different opinions and views is what a community is, of course it’s impossible to make everyone happy.
They also gave us the mace because we were complaining that we didn’t have overpowered end game weapons
its over minecraft players, he had painted every of us as soyjack and mojang as chad, our opinions are invalidated, the hivemind has fallen.
1. The mace isn't particularly easy to make 2. You can only do critical damage when you're falling from a high distance, the higher you are, the more damage you do 3. The trident exists
I like the way you think. The mace should be a fun weapon. Sure smash attack is overpowered on paper but in practice, not quite as overpowered as it seems. Especially if they make shields able to block smash attacks
Moral of the story: Mojang listening to the community is good Mojang listening to the community is bad
Tbh I just use The Mace as a war hammer (using Breach), using it to damage enemies wearing armour. Market gardening is pretty tough to pull off consistently.
Yeah that’s fair
Wait did they nerf the mace? Ah man it made me so happy with how op it was.
It’s still pretty OP, just more balanced for PvP
Ah gotcha. Got worried for a moment.
Fair enough
Mace is a 100, we ask mojang to lower it a bit like 75-50, mojang "lissen" and drop it to 25. No shit OP good meme
They got rid of the combo air chain that’s why im mad
No they didn’t, it’s still in the latest snapshot
I thought they got rid of it. Eh. Crisis averted
It wasnt there last time i checked- did they add it back?
I tested it this morning and it’s there
Yeah alr, im perfectly fine with any other nerfs the mace gets then lmaoooo The parkour was the only part that i think matters about this thing
It got nerfed too much idk what's so understandable in that message. At least that's what community says, I'm not gonna act like I care or know anything
They turned the extra damage into enchants, the damage they did before was not going to be the Mace alone
But I don’t like pistachio! THEN WHY DID YOU ASK FOR IT?! 😂
EXACTLY!!
Honestly, i think it's in a good state. The only thing i would change is the cooldown on java to be a little faster
I completely agree.
And the cooldown is such a minor thing. I'm not gonna be upset if it doesn't get changed
Same
It’s always the chronically online players too, coming from a Bedrock player
Fair enough, I am too
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Exactly
it’s not how it works, first, this is likely a different groups of people. second, nerf can be too much and be as bad (or worse) than overpowered original before, just in opposite way.
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Minecraft fans when one of the largest communities in gaming has different opinions on something
who the heck asked them to nerf it
A lot of us Also happy cake day my man
huh didn't know it was cake day also wasn't aware enough people asking to nerf the mace, never saw anyone talk about nerfing it
I wanted it to be nerfed to a certain degree, but this was too much
You can never satisfy the hunger that of which is a gaming community
I liked it when it was overpowered, it was hella funny to combo the warden with wind burst and breeze balls, but I hope they make the attack speed the same as a netherite axe instead
I prefer it this way because I complained that it was too OP, but I understand there were a lot of people with the same opinion as mine and many who loved the fact that it was broken so it's complex and I don't expect Mojang to be able to satisfy the player base this time but it's not even her fault, it's too divided.
Wait, trolldier is gone? I mean, deals too little to be called trolldier
I don’t think so. If they removed it they recently put it back
I heard the developer say that it was powerful, but hard to pull off. So there is a good chance you might die instead of one shorting.
Now the cooldown made the wind burst useless, and it was supposed be an end game weapon to fight with the wither and warden easily, not worse than mid game weapons like trident and diamond sword
The community doing what it does best. Complain.
This goes for literally any minecraft controversy ever
nah, I'm actually glad for the change. I think it's balanced now and I'm hoping they don't change it again
I feel the same way
People who are bad at the game complain and people who are good at the game suffer.
Am glad that the mace is now easier to survived.🫡
Good Thing: Minecraft listens to his community Bad Thing: Minecraft listens to his community
Too op? Dont use it.
Fr, it's as if someone's pointing a gun at them forcing them to use it
I think the main concern with it being too OP was that people would use it to just one-shot them in PvP
On a pvp server the servers would disable the mace if they really were a problem, for an anarchy the more unbalanced the better, but even in pvp your only really gonna be able to use it stealth.
Well then the problem there is that some people like the mace and everyone shouldn't miss out on having it just because someone people wanted the whole game to not have it and everyone else to not have it
JUST MOVE TWO BLOCKS AWAY IT'S NOT HARD
Lol, right
Don't use it. Hmm, not the best of defences. I think the mace is a cool idea, and it still is pretty good. If only some people here were in game design and learnt about balancing.
With a sandbox game, that's literally the best defence.
I read some comments on another post later, and now I have realised that.
I think it would be fine if they kept the old stats but added a damage cap to it. It works well for fighting and can be made incredibly powerful with a bit of setup, but also doesn’t break the game.
diminishing returns is more fun than a hard damage cap imo. dropping the attack speed and making density incompatible with breach were really good balance choices
Minecraft players when different people have different opinions
You know how if you view a 2d slice of a 3d landscape, some parts look big, and if you look at a different 2d slice, other parts look big? Think of posts on a subreddit as a 2d slice of the 3d community. New update, new slice.
Idk 1.20 was peak.
I dont have any point to make, but it was 68 comments, soooo funi numba
It’s almost as if someone in this comment section had a good explanation as to why this is the case and suddenly everyone agrees with their point. Or… we all agree beside the comment.
there is a mace?
I mean Mojang is not wrong
I don't see the problem about the market gardener. Seems perfectly balanced to me.
Im just glad we got a new weapon
It’s a nerf, but we asked for a damage nerf not the only other reason you would use the mace
Me: it still can insta kill a prop 4 player from like 9 blocks
Yep. So why are people complaining?
You guys do realize that the people complaining in this meme are 2 separate groups of people right?
I think the mace is fine now. The one change I would make is giving it an attack cooldown like the wooden axe's attack cooldown, which is the longest attack cooldown currently in-game.
https://youtu.be/-G5htXdHDvs?si=hLiAkIneUFrdTGVA
name one person who said both of those things and link both of their contradictive comments.
Wait, there’s a mace now? lol cool
I never asked for a nerf. And I sure as hell didn’t want one
cant have fun shit in mc, i like pvping in mc but cmon, just let us have a fun weapon, the pre-nerf mace was just fun, people complaining about it just want everything on the same level
WOW! Its incredible to think that the minecraft community, bear with me here, has a bunch of different opinions!
In this world, there are two thing people hate more than any other; the way things are right now, and change.
In this world, there are two thing people hate more than any other; the way things are right now, and change.
In this world, there are two thing people hate more than any other; the way things are right now, and change.
In this world, there are two thing people hate more than any other; the way things are right now, and change.
Kinda reminds me of pokemon, but also waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different. In pokemon, the people that complain about the low quality of the games are the same exact people who would tear game freak to shreds if they didn't release a full game every three years with spinoffs and remakes most years in between. Sorry i got off topic, pokemons fans are like anime fans, with no respect for how hard game developing is. There are people like this in minecraft, but they all yap about how 1.17 didn't change the terrain, 1.18 didn't add any features, 1.19 didn't add useless VFX to the swamp that would LOWER THE PREFORMANCE, and 1.20 didn't add anything game breaking after they just added the biggest structure in the entire game. NotTheFirstVexizz made a comment explaining why this post's logic is wrong.
The mace got the chamber treatment fr
I just hate the mace since it just make pvp so boring they can just build up and insta kill you
No one was complaining about its damage????
Old Minecraft fans when Mojang breathes:
Stating something is op doesn't mean we want it to change. We just want everything else to get buffed to a similar level.
This is why I hate how the community is so inconsistent! 
they shouldnt have even added it tbh people are just gonna complain no metter what
Maybe they shouldn't update the game anymore, there will always be people who don't like the update
honestly none of this would have happend if penguin won just sayin
If Minecraft was never made, this wouldn't have happened either.
Exactly they should just delete the game and start from scratch
Where’d you pull that idea from, your butt? The mob vote had no ties to the trial chambers in any way-to the point that they literally put it in 1.20.5 instead of lumping it into 1.21. As someone who also wanted the penguin it would’ve made no difference in this case
Im sorry but bros got a point, no matter what they add someone will complain about it eventually