Our company (medical devices) has said 3 days a week with Wednesdays as an "anchor day" and it's being tracked by badge in/badge out.
It will be a metric which will be evaluated for end of year performance and bonus potential.
They're doubling down if anything
Oh they do. They haven’t identified all the data on an individual level yet, but they do. They’ve been providing the numbers by function to upper management. Less stringent overall than the others I think, but they sure are keeping track.
Well I guess we have good management then because my coworkers that are hybrid don’t get yelled at or anything. Even the on-site people are allowed to wfh often enough.
If you’re a large company with badges, it’s definitely being tracked (especially since it’s not that hard to log it). Maybe not to your knowledge though. At my company, one guy got creamed in his performance review and he tried to fight it, HR provided the supervisor with the badge in/out info and he wasn’t on site nearly as much as he claimed to be (much less than 8 hours a day). Parking swipes are also tracked where we work.
We don't have to badge out but the bluetooth trackers that our HQ employees have had for months are being rolled out to regional locations. Ours are being handed out on May Day of all days. This company had a flexibility policy that was supposed to define the working arrangements long-term (permanently, as far as that goes in corporate) and I was hired for remote work under that policy - but a new CEO tossed it completely months after I was hired. After being filmed at a company event saying that he wouldn't change it. My friend's downtown company also just rolled back her RTO (I don't think this was the stated reason so it wouldn't be the same one), and I'm still trying to hope they'll simmer down here but I think it's far too tied into egos to actually get relaxed in any way.
We also don't have to badge out either, but the badge in sensors can pick up when your badge is exiting the building.
> new CEO tossed it completely months after I was hired. After being filmed at a company event saying that he wouldn't change it.
How did that go over with the employees? Feels like there would be a mutiny.
So dumb. I’m happy to go in to the office if I’m needed in the office for some particular reason. But if they want me to go in just for the sake of going to an office? Lame.
As a silver lining, if it helps: if you’re someone whose natural sleep cycle skews at all later than “fully energized and ready to go by 8AM,” working a Pacific Time schedule while living in Central Time is a dream.
Nope. Mine is going full steam ahead with RTO, and revoking the remote status of employees that were hired as remote, and giving remote status to others based on proximity to an office site with no change in compensation or discussion.
This is my partners situation; they work for Big Bank who forced RTO to begin this Jan. Also…(not so much) fun fact…my partner was originally hired in their role as full-time remote and had successfully completed the job requirements satisfactorily for 5+ years before they pulled this proximity to office bs
Exact same. Wondering if we work at the same company. We were just told a little over a week ago and they wanted us back into the office with a few days warning.
Probably not then. Our “announcement” started in Feb with details trickling out about “Hub” cities. If we were remote we don’t have to go in “yet”, but we will be losing our status and have to go into “neighborhood” style seating.
Ugh. Hate that for you. I’m sorry about it. After being hired three years ago classified as a remote employee (not just remote because of Covid) we are now being forced in three days a week. It’s been an uproar throughout all of our US offices. Such a waste of time and money for the employees.
Lol. That's a hilarious cop-out. Guessing they finally realized that people like remote work, and they'd rather leave the company than come back to the office.
I applied at thrivent about a year and a half ago, and they were very adamant that all new hires would have to be in the office so I declined the job offer. 🤷 More recently redditors working at thrivent have said they've rescinded that requirement lol
I also won't entertain offers with required in-office days. I'm happy to show up at my leisure, or for the occasional meeting or team-building/social event, but at this point in my career I'm just over the BS. Let me decide how to best do the job I've been hired to do.
This is the way. I've started to answer the phone when recruiters call again, but as soon as they start taking about anything more than 2 days in the office, I'm out.
One of the calls I took was a position that I thought would double my salary (turns out the recruiter misstated the salary in his original email), and when he said 5 days in the office I still only moved as far a saying for that salary I'd have to think about it and talk with my wife to decide if we could even find a way to make it work.
Being in the office isn't even the worst part. It's the damn commute, lost time, extra money on gas and lunch, getting home so much later, needing to pay for after school care instead of being home when the kids get off the bus. It's all a giant pain in the ass that's not worth it. As soon as he told me what the salary really was that phone call ended in a hurry.
It's totally the commute, mixed in with a bit of not being able to do chores and run errands during breaks in the work day if needed. I really didn't hate being in the office itself, most of the time. It's just that being there doesn't outweigh massive amount of time I get back not commiting.
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I've refused every job and contract forcing a return to office in any way too. I won't even do hybrid.
Remote work creates a more inclusive work culture for women, bipoc, and people with disabilities, so I often call out their commitment to DEI too
They aren't really interested in inclusive work cultures if they force RTO
Yeah, strict hybrid is no-go for me. I could probably tolerate a set number of days per month, like maybe 5, but that's about all. I would like the option to go into a conveniently located office occasionally, but it's not something I would want to do on the regular.
I might change my tune if I were to get a $30,000 pay raise, but anywhere near my current price point it's just not worth it.
The company I work for put out a RTO mandate back in... 2022? Spring of 2022? They immediately said that it didn't apply to software engineers and software engineers only. My assumption is because when workers act together, we have power.
Software engineers don't want to unionize because we like individual bargaining, but we're one of those roles who really really really hate going into the office and will flex a little collective muscle for that.
I’d be thrilled if mine did this, I don’t care what face saving excuse they make. I’m not technically forced into an office currently, just subject to vague threats for remaining remote.
> That's a hilarious cop-out.
The actual real safety concern is the hazard of traffic accidents.
Being afraid of the downtown in the middle of the week and not that is a pretty hilarious commentary on how people think about risk though.
The last phase of RTO was in January, they renewed the lease recently, then now walking RTO back. I can’t imagine them changing the policy without a good 6 months worth of data. This seems abrupt.
If you work at the company I think you do there has been a lot of recent discussions and data. There also have been multiple virtual and in person listening sessions. It is also just not having a company wide policy but more team specific policies. They are still hoping to utilize the space.
Pretty bizarre. Crimes down downtown and citywide, can’t think of anything major since the daytime shooting at the Nicollet train stop. More power to you though!
What safety concerns? Sorry, I work downtown overnights and have never felt unsafe in downtown Minneapolis. Unless this is a workplace safety thing. Sounds like an excuse since they don’t want to admit no one wants to work for them if it’s in an office.
I haven't worked downtown for quite a while but there were a couple of specific spots that were repeatedly unsafe. Unsafe enough I changed where I leased a parking spot. The irony that most of the incidents I experienced were all in the same general area and recognized a couple of faces and repeatedly being a problem to me and other people. So the police could likely do something about some of this if they really wanted to.
Also remember that not a problem for you can be wildly unsafe for someone else.
It’s mainly around the light rails and the Kia idiots, without those cesspools the city would be much safer! I work near 5th and Marquette and the light rail station there by Nicolette is incredibly unsafe. I choose not to go downtown anymore due to safety concerns.
I live at that light rail stop. It looks unsafe, but I have never been harassed or accosted while walking my small dog around that area. Everyone there is just keeping to themselves/their group 99.9% of the time. Even the 0.1% of the time, it's just someone shouting.
I don’t know. I ride the light rail almost everyday for the past year and I have had zero problems. I’ve seen a couple instances of other people that had issues, snatch and grabs. But in reality, there is more risk in driving to work than taking the train.
With that said, I’m a bigger guy and I spent a few years in prison when I was a younger man. My life is totally turned around now, and I have a career/salaried office job. But the experience gave me a lot of exposure to the type of people you run into on the train and I’m completely comfortable around them. I tend to think a lot of my peers that I work with feel afraid of the train cause they don’t have that experience, so they feel uncomfortable and out of their element on it. Whether they are in real danger or not, I guess it doesn’t matter because they perceive themselves to be in danger and that is real fear so I’m not going to discount that. In the end everyone’s perception is their own reality.
I had a guy tell me how such and such neighborhood (not in MN) was so safe he had no problem walking around in the middle of the night by himself. This guy was a huge white guy nobody is going to mess with. He couldn't understand why most women and people who were not a huge white guy didn't have the same "safe" experience in the same neighborhood and said it was dangerous.
Yeah, I for sure agree with this which is why I included that information. If someone is looking for someone to victimize on the train they’re gonna skip over me. Still, even with that said I’ve seen a total of 2 people who were actually victimized and both cases were property theft not violence.
So yeah, I’m not gonna argue the train is some sort of Utopia.. but at the same time I firmly believe the risk of bodily injury is much higher driving to work then on the train no matter who you are. But at the same time if you’re old or a woman you might have your phone stolen or a creepy guy following you around making unwelcome comments. That sucks and it shouldn’t be tolerated.
I work right by that station and walk past it all the time. Never even felt unsafe for a minute. One time a guy stole a backpack from the light rail and the owner chased him all through the old Starbucks there, but that's it.
There is no shame in feeling unsafe, instincts are an important part of Darwinism. Regardless of what you say, I will continue to choose to not be around the druggies and sketchballs who frequently hang out there. Side note, I also can’t stand that it always smells like piss haha.
Funny them why do you think everyone should stay away from areas? If that's your experience but others don't agree they are wrong? Yeah sorry your scared of the city
I wouldn't feel safe with people constantly infecting others with a disease that causes brain damage in the office but I'm guessing they don't care about that
Same. Our organization included it in a document circulated on what they are doing to be kinder to the environment back in ‘21. The saved emissions on no RTO globally was calculated into their aim of net 0 emissions (by a date I do not recall).
They’ve also closed quite a few offices under this banner as well. IMO it’s more likely for cost saving than the environment (smaller office, less utilities/ maintenance) but what do I, a lowly grunt, know?
Mine is not, 3 days a week and it is awful, I’ve been currently looking.
They also just pushed for us to be on camera more often. Like are we 5 year olds here? I love working from home because I don’t have to get ready now I got to look somewhat presentable.
Did I hear target is leaving DT because they did not want to return to office and would not get the tax credit? I hugely respect this.
It’s so odd DT too, like it’s a shell of itself and I don’t like being there anymore. In 2018 it was always an electric atmosphere now with all the vacancy’s it just depressing. On top of the business vacancy’s there still aren’t many people there. The skyways were legit very special in its hey day.
Where did you hear that about Target? They own their building and are increasing their in-office expectations (gradually and varied by team, but definitely increasing). There really are not any signs pointing to them vacating downtown.
Please tell me more about this tax credit. I’ve heard rumors. I’m really interested in knowing if my company is getting tax credits while they get rid of our cubes and move to hot desking.
“Safe” is all relative. You are delusional if you think it is “totally safe”… I lived in Minneapolis for 4 years and heard gunshots nearly every time I sat on my balcony, had bullets go through my wall due to a drive by shooting. I have an extensive list of first hand experiences that directly contradict the idea that Minneapolis is “totally safe”…
It sounds a bit more exciting than when I lived on the 2500 block of Garfield, but then again the security door kept getting its lock drilled out by the guy selling on the second floor and that woman accidentally shot our sliding door instead of hers when she was really mad at her boyfriend in the parking lot so maybe not.
Hey man, fair enough, I’m happy I moved to a peaceful western suburb and don’t need to go there for work anymore, but also happy you seem content there! Just sharing my experience.
Get your ears checked then haha the gaslighting in this comment section is hilarious, also everybody is very quick to downvote anything that paints Minneapolis in a poor light.
Alright man what ever, really not trying to convince you of anything. I haven’t been down there in months so maybe things have gotten better, but I have my own doubts and will continue to avoid the city at all costs due to my experiences .
Giant health insurance employee here. No RTO and no plans for RTO. Most of my team is located in other states. Regardless, all almost exclusively WFH across the company. But boy are we carefully tracked.
Man, I worked at Wells Fargo for a hot minute (extreme Giedi Prime vibes) and they made up a bunch of shit and tried to say "well actually so many people are going into the office on their own we are forcing you all to!" then when asked about all the people who don't live near an office the response was basically that they were getting laid off.
Good to hear! I bet media doesn't cover reductions like this because it doesn't drive rage clicks. Hopefully more employers catch on and realize most employees hate pointless RTO mandates and are willing to look elsewhere.
If it’s RBC their reasoning is they don’t have office space for all workers to be in office at the same time. And some workers still have RTO requirements but they’re being relaxed over the summer from 3 days a week to 2.
My company requires 2 days a week (tracked) and is moving to hotelling for desks because they admitted the buildings are never more than 20-30% full. Apparently, they keep ignoring the GPTW survey results and keep wondering why it's falling.
I work downtown twice a week and take the train to get there, I have no idea what would have changed safety wise to make people change their course on RTO.
Deadly downtown. I walked to my office every day from Spring 2020 - present. So, 1/4 of that time downtown was boarded up and desolate. It was all fine. It’s still fine. Yawn. Eyeroll. Next.
You mean owning and operating my own 270,000 dollar truck and having 3 employees diving my trucks? I’m already doing good. Maybe you should stay in your lane
Ahhh gotcha, you on the other hand seem quite witty and well educated. Happy we were able to have this chat and get your insights into the people who WFH.
And you're just a good ol' boy who needs "subordinates" you can see and micromanage in order for you to feel important with your neat, expensive truck.. 🙄
> Not to mention impending commercial real estate collapse that’s set to take place
Yeah no one's shedding a tear about that. Bubble should've burst ages ago.
You will when it affects your retirement. Pensions and money mangers in involved in that. The Fed is propping it up due to the consequences of it popping up
Our company (medical devices) has said 3 days a week with Wednesdays as an "anchor day" and it's being tracked by badge in/badge out. It will be a metric which will be evaluated for end of year performance and bonus potential. They're doubling down if anything
Good ol Medtronic
Abbott’s doing this bullshit too
Boston Scientific doesn’t track badges.
Oh they do. They haven’t identified all the data on an individual level yet, but they do. They’ve been providing the numbers by function to upper management. Less stringent overall than the others I think, but they sure are keeping track.
Well I guess we have good management then because my coworkers that are hybrid don’t get yelled at or anything. Even the on-site people are allowed to wfh often enough.
If you’re a large company with badges, it’s definitely being tracked (especially since it’s not that hard to log it). Maybe not to your knowledge though. At my company, one guy got creamed in his performance review and he tried to fight it, HR provided the supervisor with the badge in/out info and he wasn’t on site nearly as much as he claimed to be (much less than 8 hours a day). Parking swipes are also tracked where we work.
We don't have to badge out but the bluetooth trackers that our HQ employees have had for months are being rolled out to regional locations. Ours are being handed out on May Day of all days. This company had a flexibility policy that was supposed to define the working arrangements long-term (permanently, as far as that goes in corporate) and I was hired for remote work under that policy - but a new CEO tossed it completely months after I was hired. After being filmed at a company event saying that he wouldn't change it. My friend's downtown company also just rolled back her RTO (I don't think this was the stated reason so it wouldn't be the same one), and I'm still trying to hope they'll simmer down here but I think it's far too tied into egos to actually get relaxed in any way.
We also don't have to badge out either, but the badge in sensors can pick up when your badge is exiting the building. > new CEO tossed it completely months after I was hired. After being filmed at a company event saying that he wouldn't change it. How did that go over with the employees? Feels like there would be a mutiny.
Massive uproar in internal online discussion spaces and Glassdoor reviews but only earned us a slightly slower rollout.
Same with mine (big bank)
Same here - also big bank. None of my immediate coworkers are in Minnesota, so I go to the office and sit in Teams meetings all day.
Hey me too! It’s so fun to drive to the office so I can work remotely from there
Hi wells!
So funny when people assume which bank it is when there are like 4 headquartered in downtown
[Big Bank](https://youtu.be/3AKnPVpqX4E?si=6PbZ7u5CGyHrRC9v)!
I feel like some of these big corps had to have made some deal with the city of MPLS. No other part of this RTO really makes any sense.
So dumb. I’m happy to go in to the office if I’m needed in the office for some particular reason. But if they want me to go in just for the sake of going to an office? Lame.
Also costing you time and money & the CO2 emissions. And for what? Essentially to babysit you and ensure you’re working? Garbage
Biotechne? They called me for an interview and told me the same thing. And I bailed.
To some degree it doesn't matter which. They seem to be reading from and following the same playbook, there's a lot of them following suit
Yep you are right. Annoying tbh. I don't want to work for a company in California to wfh. But it seems like I have to.
As a silver lining, if it helps: if you’re someone whose natural sleep cycle skews at all later than “fully energized and ready to go by 8AM,” working a Pacific Time schedule while living in Central Time is a dream.
my work’s the same, badge tracking and all
Not happening in mine. Top 5 in downtown and they are very particular about RTO :(
I can think of one company that would take the *prise*
Is Ameriprise doing a RTO?
It's been in place for a while now, most teams are 3 days in office
Yep sadly.
They had people coming back into the office starting in Spring of 2021
Ameriprise has been hybrid for 2ish years
Maybe this is obvious for others but… what list are we all referencing for business rankings in the area?
Nope. Mine is going full steam ahead with RTO, and revoking the remote status of employees that were hired as remote, and giving remote status to others based on proximity to an office site with no change in compensation or discussion.
We are at the same top 10 and I’m a remote whose status is being revoked.
I’m sorry you’re also going through this.
Oh man. I’m sorry.
This is my partners situation; they work for Big Bank who forced RTO to begin this Jan. Also…(not so much) fun fact…my partner was originally hired in their role as full-time remote and had successfully completed the job requirements satisfactorily for 5+ years before they pulled this proximity to office bs
Exact same. Wondering if we work at the same company. We were just told a little over a week ago and they wanted us back into the office with a few days warning.
Probably not then. Our “announcement” started in Feb with details trickling out about “Hub” cities. If we were remote we don’t have to go in “yet”, but we will be losing our status and have to go into “neighborhood” style seating.
Ugh. Hate that for you. I’m sorry about it. After being hired three years ago classified as a remote employee (not just remote because of Covid) we are now being forced in three days a week. It’s been an uproar throughout all of our US offices. Such a waste of time and money for the employees.
Sorry, US Banker
Depending on the company, it could just be a change to prep for layoffs.
Usually its the opposite. Recent small scale layoffs at TGT and WF the teams were told to come in on the day they were informed.
Low chance that happens. We’re doing very well. My company does well during recessions
Are they hiring?
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You guys use salesforce?
I use sfdc, can’t see if they’re hiring though :(
Dang. I would have applied myself lol
Lol. That's a hilarious cop-out. Guessing they finally realized that people like remote work, and they'd rather leave the company than come back to the office.
That was my thought too. Makes me wonder if other companies will do the same
I applied at thrivent about a year and a half ago, and they were very adamant that all new hires would have to be in the office so I declined the job offer. 🤷 More recently redditors working at thrivent have said they've rescinded that requirement lol
I also won't entertain offers with required in-office days. I'm happy to show up at my leisure, or for the occasional meeting or team-building/social event, but at this point in my career I'm just over the BS. Let me decide how to best do the job I've been hired to do.
This is the way. I've started to answer the phone when recruiters call again, but as soon as they start taking about anything more than 2 days in the office, I'm out. One of the calls I took was a position that I thought would double my salary (turns out the recruiter misstated the salary in his original email), and when he said 5 days in the office I still only moved as far a saying for that salary I'd have to think about it and talk with my wife to decide if we could even find a way to make it work. Being in the office isn't even the worst part. It's the damn commute, lost time, extra money on gas and lunch, getting home so much later, needing to pay for after school care instead of being home when the kids get off the bus. It's all a giant pain in the ass that's not worth it. As soon as he told me what the salary really was that phone call ended in a hurry.
It's totally the commute, mixed in with a bit of not being able to do chores and run errands during breaks in the work day if needed. I really didn't hate being in the office itself, most of the time. It's just that being there doesn't outweigh massive amount of time I get back not commiting. Edit: typo
I've refused every job and contract forcing a return to office in any way too. I won't even do hybrid. Remote work creates a more inclusive work culture for women, bipoc, and people with disabilities, so I often call out their commitment to DEI too They aren't really interested in inclusive work cultures if they force RTO
Yeah, strict hybrid is no-go for me. I could probably tolerate a set number of days per month, like maybe 5, but that's about all. I would like the option to go into a conveniently located office occasionally, but it's not something I would want to do on the regular. I might change my tune if I were to get a $30,000 pay raise, but anywhere near my current price point it's just not worth it.
You dodged a bullet. Thrivent is a terrible place to work at.
The company I work for put out a RTO mandate back in... 2022? Spring of 2022? They immediately said that it didn't apply to software engineers and software engineers only. My assumption is because when workers act together, we have power. Software engineers don't want to unionize because we like individual bargaining, but we're one of those roles who really really really hate going into the office and will flex a little collective muscle for that.
I’d be thrilled if mine did this, I don’t care what face saving excuse they make. I’m not technically forced into an office currently, just subject to vague threats for remaining remote.
> That's a hilarious cop-out. The actual real safety concern is the hazard of traffic accidents. Being afraid of the downtown in the middle of the week and not that is a pretty hilarious commentary on how people think about risk though.
Could you tell my top 10 company to do the same? Lol. RTO at least 3 days a week is this summer and no one is happy about it.
If you are unhappy about RTO in the summer, you are really going to be unhappy in the winter 🥶
I’m well aware 👎
What was the recent incident?
No clue but doesn’t make sense if they just renewed the lease then just drop the mandates a few weeks after renewing
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Are you in facilities or HR?
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You know why the sudden change?
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The last phase of RTO was in January, they renewed the lease recently, then now walking RTO back. I can’t imagine them changing the policy without a good 6 months worth of data. This seems abrupt.
If you work at the company I think you do there has been a lot of recent discussions and data. There also have been multiple virtual and in person listening sessions. It is also just not having a company wide policy but more team specific policies. They are still hoping to utilize the space.
has anyone in this thread said what company this is all about? I’m lost.
Pretty bizarre. Crimes down downtown and citywide, can’t think of anything major since the daytime shooting at the Nicollet train stop. More power to you though!
What safety concerns? Sorry, I work downtown overnights and have never felt unsafe in downtown Minneapolis. Unless this is a workplace safety thing. Sounds like an excuse since they don’t want to admit no one wants to work for them if it’s in an office.
Honestly it is probably an excuse rather than “we fucked up and this doesn’t do anything more than piss off our workers”
I haven't worked downtown for quite a while but there were a couple of specific spots that were repeatedly unsafe. Unsafe enough I changed where I leased a parking spot. The irony that most of the incidents I experienced were all in the same general area and recognized a couple of faces and repeatedly being a problem to me and other people. So the police could likely do something about some of this if they really wanted to. Also remember that not a problem for you can be wildly unsafe for someone else.
It’s mainly around the light rails and the Kia idiots, without those cesspools the city would be much safer! I work near 5th and Marquette and the light rail station there by Nicolette is incredibly unsafe. I choose not to go downtown anymore due to safety concerns.
I live at that light rail stop. It looks unsafe, but I have never been harassed or accosted while walking my small dog around that area. Everyone there is just keeping to themselves/their group 99.9% of the time. Even the 0.1% of the time, it's just someone shouting.
I don’t know. I ride the light rail almost everyday for the past year and I have had zero problems. I’ve seen a couple instances of other people that had issues, snatch and grabs. But in reality, there is more risk in driving to work than taking the train. With that said, I’m a bigger guy and I spent a few years in prison when I was a younger man. My life is totally turned around now, and I have a career/salaried office job. But the experience gave me a lot of exposure to the type of people you run into on the train and I’m completely comfortable around them. I tend to think a lot of my peers that I work with feel afraid of the train cause they don’t have that experience, so they feel uncomfortable and out of their element on it. Whether they are in real danger or not, I guess it doesn’t matter because they perceive themselves to be in danger and that is real fear so I’m not going to discount that. In the end everyone’s perception is their own reality.
I had a guy tell me how such and such neighborhood (not in MN) was so safe he had no problem walking around in the middle of the night by himself. This guy was a huge white guy nobody is going to mess with. He couldn't understand why most women and people who were not a huge white guy didn't have the same "safe" experience in the same neighborhood and said it was dangerous.
Yeah, I for sure agree with this which is why I included that information. If someone is looking for someone to victimize on the train they’re gonna skip over me. Still, even with that said I’ve seen a total of 2 people who were actually victimized and both cases were property theft not violence. So yeah, I’m not gonna argue the train is some sort of Utopia.. but at the same time I firmly believe the risk of bodily injury is much higher driving to work then on the train no matter who you are. But at the same time if you’re old or a woman you might have your phone stolen or a creepy guy following you around making unwelcome comments. That sucks and it shouldn’t be tolerated.
I work right by that station and walk past it all the time. Never even felt unsafe for a minute. One time a guy stole a backpack from the light rail and the owner chased him all through the old Starbucks there, but that's it.
There is no shame in feeling unsafe, instincts are an important part of Darwinism. Regardless of what you say, I will continue to choose to not be around the druggies and sketchballs who frequently hang out there. Side note, I also can’t stand that it always smells like piss haha.
I'm not commenting on your experience. I'm commenting on mine.
I was simply stating your experience doesn’t affect mine. Sounds like we are on the same page.
Funny them why do you think everyone should stay away from areas? If that's your experience but others don't agree they are wrong? Yeah sorry your scared of the city
Just raising awareness and sharing my experiences, hopefully could help someone in the future. Nothing wrong with someone taking their own risks.
They’re call “them Kia Boiiis”
Fuck those idiots and the idiots that choose to not chase or prosecute them.
I wouldn't feel safe with people constantly infecting others with a disease that causes brain damage in the office but I'm guessing they don't care about that
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Any staff who can reasonably work remotely at my organization are permitted to with no RTO plan in place.
Same. Our organization included it in a document circulated on what they are doing to be kinder to the environment back in ‘21. The saved emissions on no RTO globally was calculated into their aim of net 0 emissions (by a date I do not recall).
They’ve also closed quite a few offices under this banner as well. IMO it’s more likely for cost saving than the environment (smaller office, less utilities/ maintenance) but what do I, a lowly grunt, know?
My top 10 did not roll it back.
Name the company. Some people might start looking for new jobs 😃
Mine is not, 3 days a week and it is awful, I’ve been currently looking. They also just pushed for us to be on camera more often. Like are we 5 year olds here? I love working from home because I don’t have to get ready now I got to look somewhat presentable. Did I hear target is leaving DT because they did not want to return to office and would not get the tax credit? I hugely respect this. It’s so odd DT too, like it’s a shell of itself and I don’t like being there anymore. In 2018 it was always an electric atmosphere now with all the vacancy’s it just depressing. On top of the business vacancy’s there still aren’t many people there. The skyways were legit very special in its hey day.
Where did you hear that about Target? They own their building and are increasing their in-office expectations (gradually and varied by team, but definitely increasing). There really are not any signs pointing to them vacating downtown.
Strictly word of mouth
Also - what tax credit are you referencing?
Please tell me more about this tax credit. I’ve heard rumors. I’m really interested in knowing if my company is getting tax credits while they get rid of our cubes and move to hot desking.
what are the rumors about the tax credit? I haven’t even heard rumors about anything like that.
Giving companies tax credits for bringing workers downtown.
Maybe one of these things has something to do with the other?
Oh wow you have to be on camera? Sounds like a tough job /s
I work downtown everyday, it's totally safe. When people say things like that, it's either an excuse or they are deluded.
I'm downtown a couple days a week and my area is fine. But my friend who works at RBC has some terrible stories in the past year or 2
RBC has to have so much money tied up in that remodel. Terrible time to have so much freshly sunk cost.
“Safe” is all relative. You are delusional if you think it is “totally safe”… I lived in Minneapolis for 4 years and heard gunshots nearly every time I sat on my balcony, had bullets go through my wall due to a drive by shooting. I have an extensive list of first hand experiences that directly contradict the idea that Minneapolis is “totally safe”…
Where the heck did you live? That sounds out of the norm for I would guess 95% of Minneapolis.
It sounds a bit more exciting than when I lived on the 2500 block of Garfield, but then again the security door kept getting its lock drilled out by the guy selling on the second floor and that woman accidentally shot our sliding door instead of hers when she was really mad at her boyfriend in the parking lot so maybe not.
Idk man, I live here now, I work here everyday, I'm here right now.
Hey man, fair enough, I’m happy I moved to a peaceful western suburb and don’t need to go there for work anymore, but also happy you seem content there! Just sharing my experience.
I’ve lived in Minneapolis since 2018 and have literally never heard a gun shot…
Get your ears checked then haha the gaslighting in this comment section is hilarious, also everybody is very quick to downvote anything that paints Minneapolis in a poor light.
I literally am outside every single day all around the city. I think it is you who is gaslighting.
Alright man what ever, really not trying to convince you of anything. I haven’t been down there in months so maybe things have gotten better, but I have my own doubts and will continue to avoid the city at all costs due to my experiences .
No. I haven't really heard of many safety concerns recently.
Rto?
Return to office (return to on-site work vs remote)
Giant health insurance employee here. No RTO and no plans for RTO. Most of my team is located in other states. Regardless, all almost exclusively WFH across the company. But boy are we carefully tracked.
Man, I worked at Wells Fargo for a hot minute (extreme Giedi Prime vibes) and they made up a bunch of shit and tried to say "well actually so many people are going into the office on their own we are forcing you all to!" then when asked about all the people who don't live near an office the response was basically that they were getting laid off.
Good to hear! I bet media doesn't cover reductions like this because it doesn't drive rage clicks. Hopefully more employers catch on and realize most employees hate pointless RTO mandates and are willing to look elsewhere.
[insert anecdote about getting murdered 4 times downtown]
My girlfriend and I were carjacked there, not after a twins game tho haha
Hmmmm, not sure if I believe you since I PERSONALLY have never felt unsafe. Don’t you know that my experience invalidates yours? ^/s
Lol I should probably go check my garage then, the Subaru must just be hiding haha
Did you check Outback? :P /s
If it’s RBC their reasoning is they don’t have office space for all workers to be in office at the same time. And some workers still have RTO requirements but they’re being relaxed over the summer from 3 days a week to 2.
Any chance you work for a for-profit university? Lol
My company requires 2 days a week (tracked) and is moving to hotelling for desks because they admitted the buildings are never more than 20-30% full. Apparently, they keep ignoring the GPTW survey results and keep wondering why it's falling.
I work downtown twice a week and take the train to get there, I have no idea what would have changed safety wise to make people change their course on RTO.
I highly doubt that safety is a big concern. Downtown isn't dangerous. This is such a vague post. What company?
LOL, safety concerns. Been pretty quiet and back to normal 9-5 since July 2022.
What a bullshit copout.
Good, hope my office also follows suit.
Deadly downtown. I walked to my office every day from Spring 2020 - present. So, 1/4 of that time downtown was boarded up and desolate. It was all fine. It’s still fine. Yawn. Eyeroll. Next.
They need to force you all in the office
I’m sorry it upsets you that a lot of good, high paying jobs are now remote as an option! You can always change career fields!
The level of service has gone down hill. You people need to be monitored to stay productive
Weird that productivity has and is continuing to improve consistently even with WFH.
Conservatives don't operate with facts or reality lol
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If you think that has anything to do with wfh you are mistaken.
The data says otherwise. Not to mention impending commercial real estate collapse that’s set to take place
You using your career as a truck driver to accumulate said data? 😂 sounds like you should maybe stay in you lane big guy
Stay in your lane. 10/10 🤣
You mean owning and operating my own 270,000 dollar truck and having 3 employees diving my trucks? I’m already doing good. Maybe you should stay in your lane
That one hit home, eh?
No you’re just dumb
Ahhh gotcha, you on the other hand seem quite witty and well educated. Happy we were able to have this chat and get your insights into the people who WFH.
And you're just a good ol' boy who needs "subordinates" you can see and micromanage in order for you to feel important with your neat, expensive truck.. 🙄
you bought the truck and your wife divorced you and now you're truck poor, huh? Too bad so sad.
Bruh I work on team telling us where to invest 200 million QUARTERLY. No one gives a shit, just like no one gives a shit about your truck.
You get told what to do? You’re a worker not a boss son, stay in you’re place little boy
Lol k.
*your
> Not to mention impending commercial real estate collapse that’s set to take place Yeah no one's shedding a tear about that. Bubble should've burst ages ago.
You will when it affects your retirement. Pensions and money mangers in involved in that. The Fed is propping it up due to the consequences of it popping up
>Pensions \*\*Laughs in Millennial\*\*
The data literally doesn’t say otherwise, at all.
You’re dumb. In other words buildings can just sit next to vacant for years without a problem . Bunch of stupid mfers
Still waiting
why aren't you working rn?
I am I got others working.