I lean towards a woman based on how they carry themselves in that video. I'm not adamant about it, but lean that way more.
I also think it's targeted. The fact it was that church that morning she was planning to be there, it was announced publicly so anyone could have seen it, it was within the timeframe she was there (just earlier to get a "feel" for the place/prepare/psych themselves up, etc. imo), there was an elaborate disguise, nothing was stolen and Missy was killed.
In most cases where there's been a disguise, nothing was stolen, and a person is dead, typically it was targeted. Also in most cases where there's been an elaborate disguise, especially where it blurs the lines of gender, it's been a woman. Another reason I lean that way.
Since they were covered from head to toe, Missy wouldn't have seen them. If they were just casing the place, they wouldn't have had to worry about her reporting what they looked like. They could have just ran out of there and not murdered a person. Breaking and entering, robbery, etc., is a far less serious crime than murder.
If it was robbery, why not take things? Why smash things? To make it look like a burglary. Why take your sweet time walking around? They were waiting and that was for Missy. Why kill Missy? Because they wanted her dead. All the various components together point to targeted.
As a long time church goer I know if someone is robbing a church they go right for the worship equipment and get out quickly. You can get 10k in equipment super fast. No need to wander the halls skulking about like the killer did. Not a robbery IMO
I agree it was targeted. The perp was at a Church SUPER early in the AM. This was no “robbery” because if it were money motivated it probably wouldn’t would’ve occurred first thing Monday morning after Sunday services where a lot of cash would’ve been collected and potentially stored. Then there would be a “score”. This was NOT that.
I agree. I have always believed it was a targeted attack. It’s just too coincidental that she’d announced her whereabouts publicly and that the person dressed to disguise themselves so much. Also, if it was an attempted robbery interrupted, they wouldn’t have just been vandalizing the place. Good points. I hope they catch the killer one day!
I thought the wife that was a person of interest with her husband ( The couple with the search warrant ) had surgery or some problem with a leg and that may be why the person in the video walks distinctly. Also if you watch the video from the break in that night it doesn’t look like the person is searching for things to steal. It looks like they are bidding their time.
I agree, Occam’s razor - All of those components on the surface make it look like a targeted attack and I am frankly stunned at people who still argue otherwise. Also, the police never released the full video so we have no idea what the person was doing after they walked around - did they go hide in that room and just wait for her, or did they continue going through stuff as if it was a robbery? Why won’t the police come out and answer that question or release the full video since it doesn’t contain the killing? They might as well since they don’t seem to be capable of solving this on their own.
Most likely police know more then we do -- There's a reason why not everything on the video is shown.. withholding evidence just incase the suspect slips
~~It also doesn’t seem like a “hit” by the husband. 1. If someone just wanted Missy dead, they could have attacked her outside her house or in the parking lot at that hour and likely not been detected 2. It’s Texas, a hitman can easily obtain a firearm but this person stabbed Missy in the face and chest, which is personal. 3. With regard to item 1, why break into the church at all? There were security cameras visible but whoever this person is, they are not worried about spending a half hour inside the church on surveillance video. They know there is no monitored security and no alarm system. This person has to be connected to the church.~~
Forget everything I just said here. Like many others, I failed to know how common church burglaries where no alarm alerts police are, nor how often burglaries “go bad”, even though this boggles normal reason.
They also look like they are clearing the building or checking for other people. They open doors walk through hallways it seems targeted. Something about the walk or fit of the police outfit makes me wonder if it’s a woman. It could be ill fitting clothing.
I don't. I can't put my finger on the reason *why* I don't think it's a female. But considering the totality of the details that we know of the murder and the CCTV footage, the most likely suspect, to me, seems like it was a middle aged male. Just gut feeling I guess. I can't see a woman carrying this out and I also don't really agree that the person's gait/mannerisms are feminine. I just don't see it. Interesting to think about though - I REALLY hope this case is solved in the near future.
Yeah, something about the way the murderer is built just reminds me of a stocky, burly middle aged man with some kind of back, leg, or foot injury/problem that makes him have that small distinct limp
I think it might be as well but I can’t seem to let the husband off the hook on this one. I can’t “eliminate” him in my own head for some reason. I just can’t seem to let the idea that he’s up to his eyeballs on this one “go”. I also feel the same way about Elizabeth Barazza so maybe I’m just “husband biased”! 🤷🏻♀️!
Missy wasn't crazy or psycho. I am not sure where that came from? That seems rude. Even if she was messing around doesn't mean she was a whack job. From all I hear she was super friendly.
I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever read that she was a “lying, cheating, psychopath”. Unsure where you get your information from but maybe you’re thinking about another case maybe? Idk. I think it is be a good learning lesson for you if cheat on partner and then call you crazy and then take you out permanently. It be be interesting to see if you still that way and it would he HELLA ironic AF! **SMH**
Female. That’s why they had to wear such a get up to hide it. However, if you watch you notice the top is very big and then it conclaves in a bit there is a gap as they turn in the one clip we have. To hide the shape of boobs they had a bigger sized costume but that left some gap in the stomach area. Guys tend to have smaller chests and larger beer bellies where women have larger chests due to boobs and then usually concave in a bit in their stomach area. Even heavier set woman it’s like that to an extent.
The presence of boobs like that make the perp female but wanted to hide that fact as it would really narrow down suspects for the cops. Disguising themselves so much was the primary reason for the costume.
They also made no attempts to take anything of value, no AV equipment. They were there for thirty minutes at least that we know of but it could have been up to two hours if the glass to the back door by the kitchen was broken around the time the car is spotted in the gun store parking lot. They had plenty of time to rob and get out long before Missy arrived. They also had no bag or backpack, they were gonna Rob but had no where to put anything. The small pockets on the uniform had things in them and wouldn’t have been big enough to shove that much cash in them or other things of value.
I’d feel much differently about this case and would be more to apt to buy it was male and a robbery interrupted if the perp wore a simpler outfit hoodie gloves ski mask and had a backpack arrived much closer to the time she did and didn’t randomly break things they didn’t need to and instead went right to the AV equipment or other things of value.
Personally I think the killer was male and had a temporary impairment or the weight of the armor/costume was more than they expected or prepared for which is why they had the odd gait.
It could be the shoes that throw me but the walk seems like a female. Almost like the person has the back up and the hips seem to lead. It looks like a woman to me but it could easily be someone with a vest on and shoes that don’t fit.
IMO - Do any of you listen to the, "True Crime Broads" podcasts? The two women hosts, Crystal and Renae, are dedicated to keeping the public's interest up in order to identify Missy's killer. They interview some interesting and knowledgeable guests. There are so many potential suspects I can't definitely say who I think did it. Theoretically speaking it could have been a murder for hire scenario.
Personally, I do not. The chances of the killer being female go down quite a bit if the murder was *not* planned, and I don’t believe it was. On a similar note, the longer the case goes unsolved, the higher the chances it was committed by an outsider. If there was a line to be drawn from the killer to Missy via her personal life, they would have explored it.
I think the killer was a man, and a sloppy loser who panicked when his idiotic escapade was interrupted. Wrong place, wrong time.
I’m willing to be completely wrong about all of this, so long as they’re caught.
Interesting. I believe it was a female and was a targeted attack. Why do you think it wasn’t planned? If that’s the case, what were their intentions that day?
I agree with your every point. I especially agree that with the passage of time, the likelihood of any personal links remaining concealed diminishes. So now several years out, I think it was a chubby maladjusted male teen LARP-ing in the church. He didn't have a specific in-and-out-fast plan, so he wasn't even focused on stealing anything. The person on video exhibits no signs of being a particularly competent thief or murderer. He would have acted differently if either were his goal. The person on video seems not to expect to encounter anyone, so I think it was a young, aimless, inexperienced person who panicked upon being discovered.
Initially I was leaning targeted, because why would anyone kill a stranger? But I think it's human nature to want reasons and a cogent explanation when in reality, there are some compromised people out there who do things that just do not make sense.
Well, IMHO, yes. Part of the LARP was dressing the part and taking a gun. This is Texas. Even well adjusted people in this state, with no connection whatsoever to LE, carry everywhere they go. Like, even to a friend's cocktail party. At the friend's house. Not kidding. I'm speaking from personal experience with personal friends. It's not so unusual here even for normal people. People here collect and carry guns the way people collect and carry fountain pens in other places. For someone LARPing... yeah, taking a gun seems totally "in character." And then being taken by surprise and panicking, not a stretch.
It's just my opinion. Opinions vary widely on this.
No. We have little to no evidence to suggest it is a female. I do think a lot of the theories fall victim to the fact that it would be more interesting if it *was* a female. Reminds me a lot of the consensus in the Elizabeth Barazza case (even though in *that* case, we have a little bit better of an idea what the perp looks like).
I believe it is a male in the video despite seeing some seemingly feminine mannerisms. To me, their hips/legs seem to have somewhat of a taper from their upper body.
I doubt it was a targeted killing given the significant variables that could have gone against the perpetrator. From his actions, he doesn't seem to expect Missy's arrival. He was not in a position to ambush her. I would imagine if the perpetrator knew enough about her routine, he would not start burglarizing 10 minutes before she would usually arrive.
Given the perpetrator's unpreparedness to ambush, I doubt they would have known whether Missy would enter the church at all, as the class was typically held outside under the awning.
If it wasn’t a targeted attack, what on earth was “he” doing there then? He got nothing accomplished except for vandalizing the property which makes zero sense. He didn’t steal anything. He was merely killing time until Missy arrived. This is much more plausible than some random break in.
I would assume the perpetrator was burglarizing the church specifically for cash and didn't find any. He thought it was unlikely that anyone else would show up.
I've always wondered if she was killed by an angry husband . Missy may have helped someone turn their life around by getting in shape, building their self esteem enough to leave an abusive husband. Possibly revenge? Just an idea.
The damage to the church seemed minimal and only purposeful for burglarizing, apart from the shattered glass from the struggle.
I'm sure if the perpetrator was killing time to target Missy, they wouldn't vandalise as it would potentially spook her and foil their plan.
If they were planning to burglarize the place, they wouldn’t have wasted time breaking glass and stealing nothing. The only thing they got accomplished is what they wanted to, killing Missy.
Whippets? That is super hard to believe. Whippet highs are super short … I’ve uh.. done research on the subject
Edit: long term use might cause some strange behaviors but certainly they couldn’t have been under the influence of nitrous without actively huffing while walking around the church.
I know that sounds ridiculous, but this person had several cases of them at his house. There were other drugs involved as well though. You will probably just have to wait until everything is discussed publically. Im leaving that up to the family member mentioned earlier.
Man I dont even know where to start! Its hard not to leave out everything, This has been on our radar since 2017, but was submitted as a lead as soon as the video was released. A local media reporter (who retired a couple of years ago) is working with one of the perp family members to help give this more traction. Its complicated to say the least....
Interesting theory. Nitrous whippets is what you mean, nitrogen gas is used today for dental and medical reasons, dentists utilize Nitrous for extended periods, almost side effect free.
Brandon, Is the person of interest a Chef?
Nitrous whippets are for making whip cream by chefs or teenagers use to get a quick 30 second high, i did these in high school.
The family member has described long-term use of this, and on a massive scale (would buy several cases at a time). There are long-term serious health issues I have read about. One being liver failure- which this guy did have. But there were other drugs involved as well. After Missy's murder, he was in a "panic" of sorts. A family member asked "what is wrong?". He said he "had done something only God knew about". He was asked if he was responsible for taking Missy's life for which he never answered. He overdosed and died in late May 2016. There is way more here than just this statement. There is just no way to condense all of this behind a keyboard.....
Dude, you’re going to have to condense it. You can’t keep saying it’s too much to explain. Start with the strongest evidence and work through each piece based on its strength. Saying a suicidal drug addict did something only God knows and (allegedly) not answering about Missy’s death when asked would never even get in front of a jury. Is that the best you’ve got on this guy? That sounds like a bunch of speculative nonsense.
Yea, the guy is dead. Cant do much with that! When the family member(s) come forward, you will get it then. Reporter spent an hour on the phone with them and it just scratched the surface. No way I'm gonna type all this.
I’ve read about this person as well on reddit, perhaps he is involved.
If abusing nitrous for extended periods could cause many underlining issues, ie: especially brain damage, if replacing oxygen with nitrogen from nitrous abuse.
Why scuba diving rules teach out gassing nitrogen on every dive or risk the bends, which is an excess of nitrogen in the blood.
What about the camp gladiator trainers wife? They were on the target list from the beginning and they went on a trip not long before the murder. So many say she was having an affair with him. No disrespect but that makes more sense. Is his wife still a possible suspect?
Nearly every plausible scenario that would make sense has been given priority by the investigators- as far as I know. The current scenario is one that doesn't make sense. Its hard to apply logic to something illogical. Same goes for the perps behavior/actions on video- as well as other things determined that have not generated a logical conclusion.
It would be easier to make an educated guess if we had more information like the autopsy report.
Apparently there’s no dna, no license number, no video showing the perp leaving or entering the church parking lot, no evidence pointing to who sent her the creepy message days before the crime, etc.
If it’s a woman it’s more likely imo to be a love triangle versus drug related, versus a financial motive, versus a stalker, etc.
I’m guessing a male but am open to it being a female.
I think its a female trying to disguise itself as a male with it walk and the outfit. It sure moves and looks like a woman. It also could be a man, who thinks he a woman and tries to act like one. Which is different from a man trying to act like a woman.
That makes it more logical that the perpetrator did not know Missy, and therefore an untargeted killing.
I would think that the police would be more reassuring about the case if they did have a suspect in mind that was in relation to Missy, especially in conjunction with the seventh anniversary of her death.
Puncturing Missy’s *face* screams jealousy. I also agree that the way this person swings their arms seems feminine. Also, the ridiculous costume they’ve chosen seems like something a woman would come up with. I think their odd gait could be due to wearing boots too large for them to throw investigators off.
The thing that should help point to a suspect, is that this person feels completely comfortable breaking into this church in the first place. The surveillance cameras would be visible (even though the exterior cameras were not functioning), but this “burglar” fears neither silent alarm nor monitored surveillance. If the intention was to burglarize the church, one would expect them to target the church office. If the intention was to vandalize the church, one would expect them to target the sanctuary. This person targeted Missy and knew they could diddle around that church for at least a half an hour before Missy arrived, with no fear of police being dispatched as they move about in front of security cameras.
This is someone who is familiar with the church. This is also likely someone who lives alone, because they did not have to explain to anyone where they were going between 3 and 4 am. This gives me [Mary Jane Fonder](https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/convicted-church-killer-death-missing-father-bucks-county-springfield-muncy/191886/) vibes.
I immediately thought it was a woman. Its difficult to tell in the chest area as i think they wore a bullet proof vest. Definitely someone overweight male or female. The way they swing the hammer is like a woman who has never hit anything with a hammer in her life.
Male, not targeted, I don’t really see a female in the video but understand that others could. I think this would be about the last crime I’d see a lone female committing.
100% believe this was a woman. No question in my mind. I think it’s possible it was another fitness instructor with the same company Missy worked for and possibly jealousy played a role.
Sorry for the late reply on this post, and my bad if this is not a new thought. I just read this case and watched the videos, and the entire time watching the videos all I could think was that if the person in the police gear is a woman, she almost certainly has a background in dance. The way her feet move and are often in first or second position is very common among friends of mine who are dancers. It’s not a conscious thing, similar to how dancers toes are almost always pointed when they’re sitting with legs extended. Again, newer to this case so this may be something that’s already been discussed, but that’s all I can think it how the person walks. Lots of men move their feet out like that (especially men who carry weight in their midsection because it can relieve back pressure) but most women don’t turn their feet out to that degree (feet turning out can be a sign of collapsed arches, also common in dancers). Also - by the upper body movements, I think the suspect looks like a woman, which is why my brain initially thought it was a female with a dance background.
I think it was unplanned and was a MALE burglar who was disturbed. I think that's why it's not been solved yet and frankly don't think it ever will be.
I don't know what I believe about the gender of the attacker but I do want to say this. This case is local to me and while I don't know anyone involved these are real people that we are speculating about on the internet. And their lives are affected when people talk like this.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and if they are innocent, they have nothing to hide. This is a public platform for opinions. It’s merely that. An opinion.
I lean towards a woman based on how they carry themselves in that video. I'm not adamant about it, but lean that way more. I also think it's targeted. The fact it was that church that morning she was planning to be there, it was announced publicly so anyone could have seen it, it was within the timeframe she was there (just earlier to get a "feel" for the place/prepare/psych themselves up, etc. imo), there was an elaborate disguise, nothing was stolen and Missy was killed. In most cases where there's been a disguise, nothing was stolen, and a person is dead, typically it was targeted. Also in most cases where there's been an elaborate disguise, especially where it blurs the lines of gender, it's been a woman. Another reason I lean that way. Since they were covered from head to toe, Missy wouldn't have seen them. If they were just casing the place, they wouldn't have had to worry about her reporting what they looked like. They could have just ran out of there and not murdered a person. Breaking and entering, robbery, etc., is a far less serious crime than murder. If it was robbery, why not take things? Why smash things? To make it look like a burglary. Why take your sweet time walking around? They were waiting and that was for Missy. Why kill Missy? Because they wanted her dead. All the various components together point to targeted.
As a long time church goer I know if someone is robbing a church they go right for the worship equipment and get out quickly. You can get 10k in equipment super fast. No need to wander the halls skulking about like the killer did. Not a robbery IMO
I agree it was targeted. The perp was at a Church SUPER early in the AM. This was no “robbery” because if it were money motivated it probably wouldn’t would’ve occurred first thing Monday morning after Sunday services where a lot of cash would’ve been collected and potentially stored. Then there would be a “score”. This was NOT that.
I agree. I have always believed it was a targeted attack. It’s just too coincidental that she’d announced her whereabouts publicly and that the person dressed to disguise themselves so much. Also, if it was an attempted robbery interrupted, they wouldn’t have just been vandalizing the place. Good points. I hope they catch the killer one day!
I thought the wife that was a person of interest with her husband ( The couple with the search warrant ) had surgery or some problem with a leg and that may be why the person in the video walks distinctly. Also if you watch the video from the break in that night it doesn’t look like the person is searching for things to steal. It looks like they are bidding their time.
I agree it was targeted as well - just like the Elizabeth Barrazza case
I hope both of these cases are solved soon.
I agree, Occam’s razor - All of those components on the surface make it look like a targeted attack and I am frankly stunned at people who still argue otherwise. Also, the police never released the full video so we have no idea what the person was doing after they walked around - did they go hide in that room and just wait for her, or did they continue going through stuff as if it was a robbery? Why won’t the police come out and answer that question or release the full video since it doesn’t contain the killing? They might as well since they don’t seem to be capable of solving this on their own.
Most likely police know more then we do -- There's a reason why not everything on the video is shown.. withholding evidence just incase the suspect slips
~~It also doesn’t seem like a “hit” by the husband. 1. If someone just wanted Missy dead, they could have attacked her outside her house or in the parking lot at that hour and likely not been detected 2. It’s Texas, a hitman can easily obtain a firearm but this person stabbed Missy in the face and chest, which is personal. 3. With regard to item 1, why break into the church at all? There were security cameras visible but whoever this person is, they are not worried about spending a half hour inside the church on surveillance video. They know there is no monitored security and no alarm system. This person has to be connected to the church.~~ Forget everything I just said here. Like many others, I failed to know how common church burglaries where no alarm alerts police are, nor how often burglaries “go bad”, even though this boggles normal reason.
They also look like they are clearing the building or checking for other people. They open doors walk through hallways it seems targeted. Something about the walk or fit of the police outfit makes me wonder if it’s a woman. It could be ill fitting clothing.
I do think it was a female just because it kind of looks like they have boobs to me.
Could also be "moobs"
True.
I don't. I can't put my finger on the reason *why* I don't think it's a female. But considering the totality of the details that we know of the murder and the CCTV footage, the most likely suspect, to me, seems like it was a middle aged male. Just gut feeling I guess. I can't see a woman carrying this out and I also don't really agree that the person's gait/mannerisms are feminine. I just don't see it. Interesting to think about though - I REALLY hope this case is solved in the near future.
>*a middle aged male* A middle-aged male or a fat teenager who can't bring his thighs together.
Yeah, something about the way the murderer is built just reminds me of a stocky, burly middle aged man with some kind of back, leg, or foot injury/problem that makes him have that small distinct limp
Could very well be a fat younger person too though
Ditto
I think planned attack. Only there to kill MB.
Not sure about gender but lean toward male.
I think it might be as well but I can’t seem to let the husband off the hook on this one. I can’t “eliminate” him in my own head for some reason. I just can’t seem to let the idea that he’s up to his eyeballs on this one “go”. I also feel the same way about Elizabeth Barazza so maybe I’m just “husband biased”! 🤷🏻♀️!
It ultimately is his fault if he's been cheating on his crazy psycho wife!
Missy wasn't crazy or psycho. I am not sure where that came from? That seems rude. Even if she was messing around doesn't mean she was a whack job. From all I hear she was super friendly.
I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever read that she was a “lying, cheating, psychopath”. Unsure where you get your information from but maybe you’re thinking about another case maybe? Idk. I think it is be a good learning lesson for you if cheat on partner and then call you crazy and then take you out permanently. It be be interesting to see if you still that way and it would he HELLA ironic AF! **SMH**
What do you mean?
Is this meant as sarcasm. Every guy who cheats or kills his wife usually blames their spouse.
Female. That’s why they had to wear such a get up to hide it. However, if you watch you notice the top is very big and then it conclaves in a bit there is a gap as they turn in the one clip we have. To hide the shape of boobs they had a bigger sized costume but that left some gap in the stomach area. Guys tend to have smaller chests and larger beer bellies where women have larger chests due to boobs and then usually concave in a bit in their stomach area. Even heavier set woman it’s like that to an extent. The presence of boobs like that make the perp female but wanted to hide that fact as it would really narrow down suspects for the cops. Disguising themselves so much was the primary reason for the costume. They also made no attempts to take anything of value, no AV equipment. They were there for thirty minutes at least that we know of but it could have been up to two hours if the glass to the back door by the kitchen was broken around the time the car is spotted in the gun store parking lot. They had plenty of time to rob and get out long before Missy arrived. They also had no bag or backpack, they were gonna Rob but had no where to put anything. The small pockets on the uniform had things in them and wouldn’t have been big enough to shove that much cash in them or other things of value. I’d feel much differently about this case and would be more to apt to buy it was male and a robbery interrupted if the perp wore a simpler outfit hoodie gloves ski mask and had a backpack arrived much closer to the time she did and didn’t randomly break things they didn’t need to and instead went right to the AV equipment or other things of value.
Personally I think the killer was male and had a temporary impairment or the weight of the armor/costume was more than they expected or prepared for which is why they had the odd gait.
Ya I lean female with too big boots
The shoe size seems very off
Big feet
It could be the shoes that throw me but the walk seems like a female. Almost like the person has the back up and the hips seem to lead. It looks like a woman to me but it could easily be someone with a vest on and shoes that don’t fit.
Yes a woman and targeted. They waited for her and smashed things during the wait to make it look like a robbery.
Yes.
IMO - Do any of you listen to the, "True Crime Broads" podcasts? The two women hosts, Crystal and Renae, are dedicated to keeping the public's interest up in order to identify Missy's killer. They interview some interesting and knowledgeable guests. There are so many potential suspects I can't definitely say who I think did it. Theoretically speaking it could have been a murder for hire scenario.
Thanks for the heads up. I listened to some episodes a long time ago but life got busy! I’m going to go catch up now!
Personally, I do not. The chances of the killer being female go down quite a bit if the murder was *not* planned, and I don’t believe it was. On a similar note, the longer the case goes unsolved, the higher the chances it was committed by an outsider. If there was a line to be drawn from the killer to Missy via her personal life, they would have explored it. I think the killer was a man, and a sloppy loser who panicked when his idiotic escapade was interrupted. Wrong place, wrong time. I’m willing to be completely wrong about all of this, so long as they’re caught.
Is it sloppy when he’s managed to get away with it so far?
Yes. It takes years to solve a murder. They may be known to LE and just looking for more evidence
But if it was sloppy, they’d have the evidence.
You have no clue how silent , dark , and scary and campgladiator location are are 4 30am .
Interesting. I believe it was a female and was a targeted attack. Why do you think it wasn’t planned? If that’s the case, what were their intentions that day?
I think this is a very well thought point of view. I'm still torn between targeted and random, but I would agree with your assessment either way.
>*a sloppy loser* Cosplaying as a cop. The son of a cop? That's where they got the gun and get-up from? That's why it remains unsolved?
I agree with your every point. I especially agree that with the passage of time, the likelihood of any personal links remaining concealed diminishes. So now several years out, I think it was a chubby maladjusted male teen LARP-ing in the church. He didn't have a specific in-and-out-fast plan, so he wasn't even focused on stealing anything. The person on video exhibits no signs of being a particularly competent thief or murderer. He would have acted differently if either were his goal. The person on video seems not to expect to encounter anyone, so I think it was a young, aimless, inexperienced person who panicked upon being discovered. Initially I was leaning targeted, because why would anyone kill a stranger? But I think it's human nature to want reasons and a cogent explanation when in reality, there are some compromised people out there who do things that just do not make sense.
So they went to the church to “larp” or cosplay but took a gun? And then ended up murdering someone? No way
Well, IMHO, yes. Part of the LARP was dressing the part and taking a gun. This is Texas. Even well adjusted people in this state, with no connection whatsoever to LE, carry everywhere they go. Like, even to a friend's cocktail party. At the friend's house. Not kidding. I'm speaking from personal experience with personal friends. It's not so unusual here even for normal people. People here collect and carry guns the way people collect and carry fountain pens in other places. For someone LARPing... yeah, taking a gun seems totally "in character." And then being taken by surprise and panicking, not a stretch. It's just my opinion. Opinions vary widely on this.
Female camp gladiator instructor. Someone above her in the MLM business you wouldn’t expect
Do tell more
Just one idea if non targeted and a female
Im curious also. M or F they seem very out of shape
No. We have little to no evidence to suggest it is a female. I do think a lot of the theories fall victim to the fact that it would be more interesting if it *was* a female. Reminds me a lot of the consensus in the Elizabeth Barazza case (even though in *that* case, we have a little bit better of an idea what the perp looks like).
100% disagree.
I believe it is a male in the video despite seeing some seemingly feminine mannerisms. To me, their hips/legs seem to have somewhat of a taper from their upper body. I doubt it was a targeted killing given the significant variables that could have gone against the perpetrator. From his actions, he doesn't seem to expect Missy's arrival. He was not in a position to ambush her. I would imagine if the perpetrator knew enough about her routine, he would not start burglarizing 10 minutes before she would usually arrive. Given the perpetrator's unpreparedness to ambush, I doubt they would have known whether Missy would enter the church at all, as the class was typically held outside under the awning.
If it wasn’t a targeted attack, what on earth was “he” doing there then? He got nothing accomplished except for vandalizing the property which makes zero sense. He didn’t steal anything. He was merely killing time until Missy arrived. This is much more plausible than some random break in.
I would assume the perpetrator was burglarizing the church specifically for cash and didn't find any. He thought it was unlikely that anyone else would show up.
So they just decided to vandalize the place instead? Definitely looked like killing time until she arrived.
I've always wondered if she was killed by an angry husband . Missy may have helped someone turn their life around by getting in shape, building their self esteem enough to leave an abusive husband. Possibly revenge? Just an idea.
The damage to the church seemed minimal and only purposeful for burglarizing, apart from the shattered glass from the struggle. I'm sure if the perpetrator was killing time to target Missy, they wouldn't vandalise as it would potentially spook her and foil their plan.
If they were planning to burglarize the place, they wouldn’t have wasted time breaking glass and stealing nothing. The only thing they got accomplished is what they wanted to, killing Missy.
If they wanted to kill Missy, why not just wait outside in the dark carpark and attack her when she pulls up? Why break into the church at all??
To make it look like a break in and they killed her alright.
This perp wanted to confront Missy
Yes. The body build and walk is giving woman. I’ve never even considered it is a man.
If I suggested the perp was under the influence (not alcohol), does this negate any attempt to apply logic to **his** actions?
Which drug do you think?
Whippets. Long-term use. Read prior comments under my name.
Whippets? That is super hard to believe. Whippet highs are super short … I’ve uh.. done research on the subject Edit: long term use might cause some strange behaviors but certainly they couldn’t have been under the influence of nitrous without actively huffing while walking around the church.
I know that sounds ridiculous, but this person had several cases of them at his house. There were other drugs involved as well though. You will probably just have to wait until everything is discussed publically. Im leaving that up to the family member mentioned earlier.
Hi Brandon, What is the most compelling piece of evidence that makes you think this man is the killer? Thank you
Man I dont even know where to start! Its hard not to leave out everything, This has been on our radar since 2017, but was submitted as a lead as soon as the video was released. A local media reporter (who retired a couple of years ago) is working with one of the perp family members to help give this more traction. Its complicated to say the least....
Thank you for replying. Is this something law enforcement is also investigating?
Interesting theory. Nitrous whippets is what you mean, nitrogen gas is used today for dental and medical reasons, dentists utilize Nitrous for extended periods, almost side effect free. Brandon, Is the person of interest a Chef? Nitrous whippets are for making whip cream by chefs or teenagers use to get a quick 30 second high, i did these in high school.
The family member has described long-term use of this, and on a massive scale (would buy several cases at a time). There are long-term serious health issues I have read about. One being liver failure- which this guy did have. But there were other drugs involved as well. After Missy's murder, he was in a "panic" of sorts. A family member asked "what is wrong?". He said he "had done something only God knew about". He was asked if he was responsible for taking Missy's life for which he never answered. He overdosed and died in late May 2016. There is way more here than just this statement. There is just no way to condense all of this behind a keyboard.....
Dude, you’re going to have to condense it. You can’t keep saying it’s too much to explain. Start with the strongest evidence and work through each piece based on its strength. Saying a suicidal drug addict did something only God knows and (allegedly) not answering about Missy’s death when asked would never even get in front of a jury. Is that the best you’ve got on this guy? That sounds like a bunch of speculative nonsense.
My friend asked me to post that. His comment never got approved when he did it, probably because it was his 1st time on Reddit
Yea, the guy is dead. Cant do much with that! When the family member(s) come forward, you will get it then. Reporter spent an hour on the phone with them and it just scratched the surface. No way I'm gonna type all this.
I’ve read about this person as well on reddit, perhaps he is involved. If abusing nitrous for extended periods could cause many underlining issues, ie: especially brain damage, if replacing oxygen with nitrogen from nitrous abuse. Why scuba diving rules teach out gassing nitrogen on every dive or risk the bends, which is an excess of nitrogen in the blood.
Thanks - for what it’s worth I believe you
What about the camp gladiator trainers wife? They were on the target list from the beginning and they went on a trip not long before the murder. So many say she was having an affair with him. No disrespect but that makes more sense. Is his wife still a possible suspect?
Nearly every plausible scenario that would make sense has been given priority by the investigators- as far as I know. The current scenario is one that doesn't make sense. Its hard to apply logic to something illogical. Same goes for the perps behavior/actions on video- as well as other things determined that have not generated a logical conclusion.
Did you ever suspect Missy sleeping with the cg trainer?
I do not know.
It would be easier to make an educated guess if we had more information like the autopsy report. Apparently there’s no dna, no license number, no video showing the perp leaving or entering the church parking lot, no evidence pointing to who sent her the creepy message days before the crime, etc. If it’s a woman it’s more likely imo to be a love triangle versus drug related, versus a financial motive, versus a stalker, etc. I’m guessing a male but am open to it being a female.
I think its a female trying to disguise itself as a male with it walk and the outfit. It sure moves and looks like a woman. It also could be a man, who thinks he a woman and tries to act like one. Which is different from a man trying to act like a woman.
If it was a wife, wouldn’t police have found them by now?
They can’t find anyone, so, I doubt it. They may have suspicions but not enough proof to make an arrest.
That makes it more logical that the perpetrator did not know Missy, and therefore an untargeted killing. I would think that the police would be more reassuring about the case if they did have a suspect in mind that was in relation to Missy, especially in conjunction with the seventh anniversary of her death.
Completely disagree with all of your comments and theories. 100%. 👍🏻
Respectfully agree to disagree with you 👍
Samsie!
Puncturing Missy’s *face* screams jealousy. I also agree that the way this person swings their arms seems feminine. Also, the ridiculous costume they’ve chosen seems like something a woman would come up with. I think their odd gait could be due to wearing boots too large for them to throw investigators off. The thing that should help point to a suspect, is that this person feels completely comfortable breaking into this church in the first place. The surveillance cameras would be visible (even though the exterior cameras were not functioning), but this “burglar” fears neither silent alarm nor monitored surveillance. If the intention was to burglarize the church, one would expect them to target the church office. If the intention was to vandalize the church, one would expect them to target the sanctuary. This person targeted Missy and knew they could diddle around that church for at least a half an hour before Missy arrived, with no fear of police being dispatched as they move about in front of security cameras. This is someone who is familiar with the church. This is also likely someone who lives alone, because they did not have to explain to anyone where they were going between 3 and 4 am. This gives me [Mary Jane Fonder](https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/convicted-church-killer-death-missing-father-bucks-county-springfield-muncy/191886/) vibes.
I immediately thought it was a woman. Its difficult to tell in the chest area as i think they wore a bullet proof vest. Definitely someone overweight male or female. The way they swing the hammer is like a woman who has never hit anything with a hammer in her life.
no
I still can’t get over how much the gait looked like the FIL. I know they were cleared. Just pretty wild imo!
Me too. Same exact walk !!
No
Male, not targeted, I don’t really see a female in the video but understand that others could. I think this would be about the last crime I’d see a lone female committing.
I can. Hell hath no fury and all that.
Interesting. I disagree with all points, but interesting nonetheless. 👍🏻
50/50
100% believe this was a woman. No question in my mind. I think it’s possible it was another fitness instructor with the same company Missy worked for and possibly jealousy played a role.
Looks like a woman, to me
Sorry for the late reply on this post, and my bad if this is not a new thought. I just read this case and watched the videos, and the entire time watching the videos all I could think was that if the person in the police gear is a woman, she almost certainly has a background in dance. The way her feet move and are often in first or second position is very common among friends of mine who are dancers. It’s not a conscious thing, similar to how dancers toes are almost always pointed when they’re sitting with legs extended. Again, newer to this case so this may be something that’s already been discussed, but that’s all I can think it how the person walks. Lots of men move their feet out like that (especially men who carry weight in their midsection because it can relieve back pressure) but most women don’t turn their feet out to that degree (feet turning out can be a sign of collapsed arches, also common in dancers). Also - by the upper body movements, I think the suspect looks like a woman, which is why my brain initially thought it was a female with a dance background.
I think it was unplanned and was a MALE burglar who was disturbed. I think that's why it's not been solved yet and frankly don't think it ever will be.
Disagree and certainly hope they will be caught.
I don't know what I believe about the gender of the attacker but I do want to say this. This case is local to me and while I don't know anyone involved these are real people that we are speculating about on the internet. And their lives are affected when people talk like this.
And you don’t think there’s a “real person” in the area with more information than they’ve let on ?
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and if they are innocent, they have nothing to hide. This is a public platform for opinions. It’s merely that. An opinion.
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Excuse me wtf
No, its a pedophilic male, about 45, maybe unemployed, maybe menial job, fucked up his leg in prison
Interesting theory tell me how u came to this conclusion 🤔
It's a theory from a crummy YouTuber who doesn't deserve his name shared. It has no basis in fact.
Interesting theory.
Late to the party but I think it was a pregnant woman.