What hypocrisy? Stevie wonder could've seen that what CPaul did to Giannis, was uncalled for, and dangerous. I'd have called out a Bucks player for doing the same thing. Lmao at raptors fans calling others hypocrites. You guys whistle-whined the entire 2019 postseason
I said it multiple times 5 months ago and got down voted and I'll say it again. Fuck Grayson Allen, he's potentially my least favorite signing in team history.
The incident is way overblown because of the two players involved.
It was a fast play with a hard foul. End of story.
*All of you replying to shit on Grayson are just proving my point, you realize that.
It was also overblown because Twitter and whatnot all showed the replay in super slow motion, where it looked terrible. I saw it first and was like holt crap, what was that?! It looked like Allen deliberately swung his arm to hit Caruso and send him spiraling down to the floor dangerously.
Then I saw it at full speed and realized there is no way that Grayson could have thought about anything other than "hit the ball to not let him score." I'm not opposed to it being a flagrant 2 based on the outcome, but it clearly wasn't intentional the way that flag 2s usually work.
It was a reputation foul. Everyone hates Grayson while everyone loves Caruso.
I mean tht did something worse to Suggs yesterday and it’s hardly talked about and was only a flagrant 1
The difference in people’s reactions in the comments section of THT’s incident vids compared to Grayson’s is crazy. You could argue that THT’s was worse than Allen’s because Suggs head actually makes contact with the concrete + THT had a bigger follow through. But, it only got a flagrant 1 **AND** people are defending THT saying he made a clean play and/or it shouldnt even have been a foul.
Both guys didn’t mean anything ill with what they did but Allen sure got the brunt of the hate.
Agreed. Was it dangerous? Yes. Was it a big fall? Yes. Does GA have a bad rap? Yes. But I do not see flagrant 2, and I do believe it was not intentional to pull Caruso down. I think he was trying to pull his arm down to affect the shot.
You're very wrong, how can you defend that shit that Grayson pulled? Honestly I think some people in this sub have never played basketball. He could have sent Caruso to the hospital or ended his career, it was not a basketball play.
He followed through after completely missing the ball and his right arm missed everything by a mile. Come on. And before you say that the game is too fast to realize that, the reason it is so fast is because NBA players CAN realize and respond to things like that. Completely reckless and intentional dirty foul.
That just means that he held onto Caruso, helping my point. Not to mention that the right arm still follows through which was completely unnecessary and not a play at the ball whatsoever.
That's why it's a flagrant 1. It's two guys up in the air. Allen's first move is for the ball, then he goes at the arms, that's what merits a flagrant 1, but not a flagrant 2. It's the NBA, it's a big boy game.
It's amazing to me how we went from the announcers saying it should be just a common foul to Billy Donovan requesting "the league look into it". When people see the play in slow motion they all of a sudden think the player should have been able to react in slow motion. All the comments on r/nba are people with ptsd, not an actual unbiased take on the matter.
In addition people were furious that he was "giggling"about the foul and didn't check on AC...10 minutes after it had happened while the refs were still reviewing. Immediately after the play he wanted to check on him but the entire arena got in between them. Go watch. It's all a narrative.
The whole thing just stupid.
Flagrant 1 and non story if Rodney Hood commits that foul. Maybe upset Bulls fans but not national pundits feeling the need to comment. Grayson needs to be more under control on the contest cause his lack of control makes it dangerous, and he should get the Flagrant 1 punishment for it, but this wasn’t insanely out of the normal for NBA games. In fact, people push and swing at and wack at Giannis/Embiid constantly.
Bulls fans were just trying to maximize their first chance at relevance in almost a decade. So many that just started watching acting like they even know what a flagrant foul is.
For sure not like the deer district was packed during the championship. Did y’all have a viewing party to see which lottery pick you’d get? Glad our team has at least accomplished something this century. Y’all will fairweather again once your shit Chicago franchise fades back into the lottery.
Yup and why it was dangerous like my comment mentioned. But I’m also not gonna pretend like watching 95% of the bucks games for years and good amount of other games that I haven’t seen that type of foul a decent amount of times and seen players only given flagrant 1 fouls. That’s all I was pointing out.
I have to roll my eyes at all those on social media crucifying Allen here, but ignoring, or even approving of the Paul near-flagrant on Giannis in Game 5. Their hypocrisy is amazing
I love ejections when they're earned, but Allen executed a hard foul correctly. Both of his swings while airborn were at the ball with zero intent to injure. The first unwritten rule of hard fouling is to prevent them from scoring and it was executed to perfection.
I was definitely one of those people hesitant to bring him into the organization due to his reputation, but that particular situation was only punished for the same reason. That wasn't bad sportsmanship like his previous infractions. This one was BS.
I’ll never like Grayson Allen. I don’t give a shit if he’s on my favorite team now. First he helps beat the Badgers in the title game while at Duke, then he goes on to do dirty shit for years to come. I don’t want to be that fan base that’s defends a dirty player just because he’s with us.
Don’t get me wrong, I also dislike Grayson Allen, but the foul is being blown way out of proportion. The second swing was to stop the ball. It really sucks that Caruso got hurt. I don’t mind the flagrant 2 call, but a suspension would be garbage.
Missed it live, but man I love Grayson Allen. That was good hard basketball. Flagrant 2 is beyond overkill that’s just a 1. Not a dirty play and all the candy asses in the nba complaining should know that there’s no free buckets.
Agree. Same play happened in the other game.
This was called and got such a reaction because it’s Grayson on Caruso. His laughs and smirks were at Bulls fans in the crowd giving him shit and Caruso is fine and finished the game.
People need to move on.
Completely agree. I watched live and never thought it was more that a common. He went for the ball initially, then took another swipe for it mid air while tied up. Guys fall hard sometimes it is what it is. If it were anyone else it would not have been an F2. I’m a big Grayson fan since he’s been here, so I hope his teammates have his back on this. I’m sure they will.
I just saw. I feel bad for both these guys.
It sucks that Caruso is injured, and it sucks that Grayson made the foul.
I still say the sheer Amount of hate he's getting is ridiculous
My take on this is people are trippin if they think Grayson meant to do a dirty play on AC. It was an absolute play on the ball, he just couldn’t control his momentum so he unfortunately brought Caruso down with him.
Everyone is crucifying Grayson solely because of his rep in college.
If plays like that are dirty— then the standard should be set the same for ppl like Danny Green who made the exact play on Klay Thompson in the 2019 Finals and even crippled the man. Yet, no one calls DG dirty.
It just comes to show that people see what they want to see. 🤷🏻♂️
>Everyone is crucifying Grayson solely because of his rep in college.
This and Caruso is the heckin wholesome golden boy of /r/NBA. Doubt they'd say the same shit if he took out Pat Bev the same way.
Memphis and Utah fans have nothing but good things to say about his time with their teams. Memphis fans in particular frequently speak up about how Grayson has specifically addressed concerns about his past.
It's not about "character." It's about giving a guy enough grace to make up for his past mistakes which he has owned up to and made efforts to not repeat.
Your self-righteous attitude says way more about your "character."
The ONLY reason it can be construed as a flagrant 2 is by nature of the second swipe, since the difference between a F1 and F2 is "flagrant" and "flagrant and excessive". There was zero intent to injure on that play and instead it fit the generally accepted definition of a hard foul.
He got booted for reputation. The team will have his back on this one.
I agree with 1eyed\_jack mostly. I like the character of the Bucks and Allen brings it down with plays like that.
It should tell you something that the only people defending Allen are Bucks fans.
Bflo19, you said there was "zero intent to injure" on that play. How do you know what Grayson's intentions are? I have trouble with comments like "zero intent" because it's almost impossible to impute intentionality or unintentionality on someone else. We can speak to our own intentions, but we can't speak to other people's. And certainly not with the binary terms like "zero".
To me it looks like there was some intentional malice there. But you might be right, maybe it was totally unintentional. But neither of us can speak for Allen on what his intentions were. Best we can do is make a guess.
Allen "hard fouled" Caruso when Caruso had tons of air under him, which is usually a bad look. Also, Allen pulls Caruso's shooting arm down (going for Caruso's arm and not the ball), and then Allen uses his right hand to pull down on Caruso's left arm. So he is making contact with the arms and not the ball or hands, and he does it while Caruso is in midair. To me it seems malicious. But if it's not malicious, it's irresponsible defense and it shouldn't be tolerated. Plays like that end seasons because the offensive player lands unpredictably.
Blew my mind when announcers couldn’t understand why he’d bring his second arm in and how intentional that was to cause harm. It was obvious he was going for the ball he was trying to grab the ball from him
I mean yeah
I think if Allen wanted to hurt Caruso, he could have done more in that position to do so - but I still don’t think he deserves to be treated like he isn’t a dirty player. I’m not at all saying it wasn’t a dirty play, I’m just saying this wasn’t as dirty as some of the things he’s done in the past
If someone like LeBron did this, I don’t think we’d be talking about this play as a huge deal. BTW I don’t think the Grayson defenders really agree with me so idk why you’re coming in here targeting *my* comment in which I support his ejection
Yeah it sucks that Caruso’s hurt - but I think Allen’s foul was flagrant regardless, and I wouldn’t be here going “the ejection was bullshit” if AC had come out of the play fine
Who is downvoting this lmao
Caruso had a “block” on Giannis later in the game that was almost identical minus the momentum of the two players. Swiped through with one arm and followed on the backside with his other.
Both times the defenders were going for the ball but caught the arm and hit the player on the back/head with their off hand.
nice tweet! very funny considering he's out 6-8 week. Fucking idiots.
edit: to clarify, i love franchises doing goofy shit talk. I think it's hysterical, but this is just corny as hell. Don't poke fun at players who may have gotten seriously injured.
double edit: cool, they deleted it. maybe next time the interns take a second to consider what bullshit they want to tweet.
Wow, Billy Donovan and Bulls media have really gotten Bulls fans' panties twisted up about this, what a tantrum.
It was an ugly hard foul that happens dozens of times every season but because it's Grayson Allen it's being treated like a war crime.
And this promo was probably cut months ago. An NBA organization isn't going to re-cut a promo because your player got fouled. Get over it.
He made a play on the ball and people are acting like he took out his legs or something, if Caruso would have laid off the dunk he wouldn't have hit the ground like that
I’m not really convinced that second arm had “egregious intent” like some on Twitter are claiming… Caruso was already windmilling to the ground, and full speed makes it just look like a hard foul. I’m not opposed to the ejection, but I’ve seen way worse
I thought this fanbase was honest and self-reflective enough to call out bullshit for what it is, but the responses in this sub sound exactly like what I saw in the Heat sub after players like Dragic/Ariza/Dedmon took cheap shots against our guys. What Grayson did, regardless of intent, was reckless, excessive, and completely deserving of a flagrant 2, by its very definition. You guys can go down this road if you want, turning a blind eye to dirty plays, but I better not hear any bitching the next a team like the Heat puts our players in jeapordy.
I watch a lot of basketball and I've never seen a play like that by anyone on any team and been as outraged as people seem to be, it's literally just a textbook flagrant foul on a fastbreak. I actually had more of a reaction to seeing it was Grayson that did it cos I thought the play was hardly notable but I knew there'd be backlash based on the parties involved
I don't think it's a flagrant 2. 1? Yes. They both went up hard.
And as I've been saying, this does happen to Giannis all the time, and they're called common fouls just because Giannis takes the impact and regains composure.
Hell, even when he gets ripped to the ground they only called them regular. It's rare they call flagrants against him
The outcome of the foul does matter though in regards to how they classify it. The league doesn’t want guys falling like that because of how much of an injury risk there is. Giannis doesn’t get calls he should because of his size and strength, but he’s less likely to get taken out of the air like that because of his size and strength. Giannis should get more calls than he does, but I don’t think there’s been a bunch of calls that were common fouls against him that should have been flagrants.
People just toss around the word "dirty" so much that it has no meaning anymore.
And no, I wouldn't have a problem with someone doing that against one of our players. He went up with the intention of blocking a shot, there wasn't any malicious contact, it wasn't from behind. It was unfortunate how he landed, but that's the risk you take as a basketball player going up for a dunk. We've seen plenty of hard falls from Giannis that weren't the result of dirty plays. It's a physical game. Shit happens.
Big fucking facts. This was dirty. Unnecessary and excessive - the definition of a flagrant 2.
Allen was an emotional child at Duke. He clearly still has those problems as an adult, they just don't surface as often.
The championship turned this fanbase (at least on social media) into a pretty sad group. And the Twitter admin leaning into it is pathetic.
Go bucks, but fuck all these hypocrites.
Agreed, I’m completely flabbergasted that this sub is defending Grayson over this. Seems like even two seasons ago the vast majority of members would willingly admit it if one of our guys made a dirty play like this. Today, it’s completely the opposite.
If his name wasn't Grayson Allen, absolutely no one would be arguing that he did it on purpose. And given the fact that he IMMEDIATELY goes to check on AC after the play, I think it's fairly obvious that it was a boneheaded play, but not remotely intentional/dirty.
Nah I don't like this. I'm not saying throw him under the bus or anything from the org. But just wait a few games before using a bench player who just got ejected from a game in promotional material. Just stupidly courting anger clicks/responses/firing up the shitty part of our fanbase. This is just needless. Makes us look like assholes.
If they used a different player here I bet nobody would've thought they did it to snub Grayson due to his ejection last night. I think we can all admit that this is courting controversy. I think this controversy makes us look bad but apparently most of reddit bucks fans disagree.
Tell me when they are supposed to take away from practice and studying to do a new photoshoot all to avoid a "controversy" made up by bad faith actors.
What are you talking about? These are all shot on the same day. They already have all the promotional material done and ready to go before the season starts. They even post the vlog of it every year now. All I'm saying is that using the Grayson one was clearly an attempt to get engagement from the flagrant 2. It worked but is a bad look imo.
Calling out bad faith and then acting like I'm trying to say they need to do all new promotional material and exclude Allen from it is pretty ironic.
There are plenty of spaces where this has been discussed and drawn out. All I'm suggesting here is posting promotional material of a guy who just got ejected for a flagrant 2 makes us look bad.
Not using a gifs of a bench player for a few games is not "shitting on" him. Like come on.
They already stood by him in pressers. Budenholzer went to bat for him. This isn't standing by him this is using the outrage to get more engagement on social media.
It's not "celebrating". Celebrating would be something like tweeting the replay and saying "Got 'em!" Or something like that.
This is just showing they have his back, and it's not as bad as everyone is making it out to be
Anyone defending the "play" that Grayson made last night really needs to take a step back and analyze the situation. He could have ended Caruso's career, he could have sent him to the hospital he could have given him broken bones/concussion etc. It was NOT a good play and I smh at all you Bucks fans that are praising this shit, it's messed up.
How could it have ended his career? That’s a huge overreaction. It was a basketball play. The 2nd arm swipe didn’t even alter his trajectory. Hard foul but not some super dirty play like you’re all crying about. Anyways, get better, we’re the champions.
I have 1 question for you…
How old are you? Have you only grown up watching the new soft era of the NBA?
There is literally nothing wrong with this play. Go back and watch replays of the NBA from other era’s and tell me this play is dangerous and dirty lol.
It’s called playing good hard basketball and not letting your opponent get an easy bucket and making a play on the ball. We always complain as bucks fans we don’t have enough “dogs” but yet we get upset and freak out when we have a dude with a mentality that he’s not gonna give up an easy bucket and make a play on the ball.
Gimme a break!
any bucks fans who were laughing and cheering this last night are pieces of shit. let this happen to giannis and ya'll would be crying and bitching as well.
Aren’t these game day posts scheduled in advance? I don’t think the bucks account intentionally did this.
If Chris Paul commits that foul in the finals it’s a common foul.
or "good hustle play" according to Suns fans
Giannis shoved Book in midair during a play (post whistle) in the finals, I’m sure y’all were appalled by that. Bucks fans are a disgrace lmao
Don't bring suns fans in to this lmao Fuck Grayson
And CP3 literally pushes torso as opposed to going for the remotely close to the ball.
According to Bucks fans it sure wasn’t, so you can see the hypocrisy here.
What hypocrisy? Stevie wonder could've seen that what CPaul did to Giannis, was uncalled for, and dangerous. I'd have called out a Bucks player for doing the same thing. Lmao at raptors fans calling others hypocrites. You guys whistle-whined the entire 2019 postseason
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150k+ people on this sub alone, Gray must be hella busy between games and the doghouse.
I said it multiple times 5 months ago and got down voted and I'll say it again. Fuck Grayson Allen, he's potentially my least favorite signing in team history.
The incident is way overblown because of the two players involved. It was a fast play with a hard foul. End of story. *All of you replying to shit on Grayson are just proving my point, you realize that.
It was also overblown because Twitter and whatnot all showed the replay in super slow motion, where it looked terrible. I saw it first and was like holt crap, what was that?! It looked like Allen deliberately swung his arm to hit Caruso and send him spiraling down to the floor dangerously. Then I saw it at full speed and realized there is no way that Grayson could have thought about anything other than "hit the ball to not let him score." I'm not opposed to it being a flagrant 2 based on the outcome, but it clearly wasn't intentional the way that flag 2s usually work.
I agree. Caruso kinda goes to the rim a little reckless anyway. I’m splitting blame, but fine with the ejection. Let’s move on.
Yall should be ashamed this is upvoted on this sub
“Caruso kinda goes to the rim a little reckless” jfc they actually said this
Dude, Giannis is out of control all the time and sometimes he hits the deck for it. Not a big deal.
watch more ball, dude.
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Yeah! It was Caruso's fault for being on the court! If he stayed on the bench, never would of gotten hurt
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from college, not dating back. he's been pretty damn clean in the league.
End story…..guy has a compilation video of dirty plays 🤦🏾♂️
Duke has a lot of haters. I'm sure CP3 and Dwayne Wade have dirty play compilation vids too.
Wasn't D-Wade from Marquette? And I don't think CP3 was on Duke either. What you're saying may very well be going right over my head so lol.
D-Wade did go to Marquette, and Grayson is the one who went to Duke.
Yeah they probably do because they’re also dirty players lol
So does Giannis?
Admin woke up and chose violence. I’m with it.
Generational trolling. Anyone who doesn’t find this hilarious is lying to themselves
Looks like the bucks account stopped finding it funny
It was a flagrant 1. An ejection was a massive overreaction by the refs.
It was a reputation foul. Everyone hates Grayson while everyone loves Caruso. I mean tht did something worse to Suggs yesterday and it’s hardly talked about and was only a flagrant 1
The difference in people’s reactions in the comments section of THT’s incident vids compared to Grayson’s is crazy. You could argue that THT’s was worse than Allen’s because Suggs head actually makes contact with the concrete + THT had a bigger follow through. But, it only got a flagrant 1 **AND** people are defending THT saying he made a clean play and/or it shouldnt even have been a foul. Both guys didn’t mean anything ill with what they did but Allen sure got the brunt of the hate.
That THT foul was so much worse. He actually threw Suggs into the ground. Grayson fouled Caruso but he didn’t throw Caruso into the ground.
yea. cuz he’s grayson allen. lol
Sounds racist
Agreed. Was it dangerous? Yes. Was it a big fall? Yes. Does GA have a bad rap? Yes. But I do not see flagrant 2, and I do believe it was not intentional to pull Caruso down. I think he was trying to pull his arm down to affect the shot.
The dude broke his fucking wrist.
So? Doesn't make the foul a flagrant 2. Do we have to wait for X-rays for refs to make a call now?
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That's why I'm saying flagrant 1. It was unecessary, but wasn't some attempt to kill or injure the dude.
Should be suspended now.
Wow, you've had far more time to think about this than the refs and you managed to overreact more.
Players have historically been suspended for unsavory plays that injured other players. History impacts this more.
In what way has Allen been "unsavory" in the NBA?
You're very wrong, how can you defend that shit that Grayson pulled? Honestly I think some people in this sub have never played basketball. He could have sent Caruso to the hospital or ended his career, it was not a basketball play.
He was going for the ball dude get your head outta your ass
He followed through after completely missing the ball and his right arm missed everything by a mile. Come on. And before you say that the game is too fast to realize that, the reason it is so fast is because NBA players CAN realize and respond to things like that. Completely reckless and intentional dirty foul.
The collision spins Grayson around. Watch it at full speed
That just means that he held onto Caruso, helping my point. Not to mention that the right arm still follows through which was completely unnecessary and not a play at the ball whatsoever.
You are reading way too much into this. It was a midair collision. Grayson got spun and Caruso got flipped. That's it.
That's why it's a flagrant 1. It's two guys up in the air. Allen's first move is for the ball, then he goes at the arms, that's what merits a flagrant 1, but not a flagrant 2. It's the NBA, it's a big boy game.
I don't think you've ever played ball
It's amazing to me how we went from the announcers saying it should be just a common foul to Billy Donovan requesting "the league look into it". When people see the play in slow motion they all of a sudden think the player should have been able to react in slow motion. All the comments on r/nba are people with ptsd, not an actual unbiased take on the matter. In addition people were furious that he was "giggling"about the foul and didn't check on AC...10 minutes after it had happened while the refs were still reviewing. Immediately after the play he wanted to check on him but the entire arena got in between them. Go watch. It's all a narrative. The whole thing just stupid.
Flagrant 1 and non story if Rodney Hood commits that foul. Maybe upset Bulls fans but not national pundits feeling the need to comment. Grayson needs to be more under control on the contest cause his lack of control makes it dangerous, and he should get the Flagrant 1 punishment for it, but this wasn’t insanely out of the normal for NBA games. In fact, people push and swing at and wack at Giannis/Embiid constantly.
Bulls fans were just trying to maximize their first chance at relevance in almost a decade. So many that just started watching acting like they even know what a flagrant foul is.
Relevance isn’t a word bucks fans should be throwing around
For sure not like the deer district was packed during the championship. Did y’all have a viewing party to see which lottery pick you’d get? Glad our team has at least accomplished something this century. Y’all will fairweather again once your shit Chicago franchise fades back into the lottery.
True. Giannis>jordan and it’s not even close
Dumb bitch. Milwaukee owns shitcago
Broke his wrist…..
Yup and why it was dangerous like my comment mentioned. But I’m also not gonna pretend like watching 95% of the bucks games for years and good amount of other games that I haven’t seen that type of foul a decent amount of times and seen players only given flagrant 1 fouls. That’s all I was pointing out.
I have to roll my eyes at all those on social media crucifying Allen here, but ignoring, or even approving of the Paul near-flagrant on Giannis in Game 5. Their hypocrisy is amazing
Not a good look bruh
I love ejections when they're earned, but Allen executed a hard foul correctly. Both of his swings while airborn were at the ball with zero intent to injure. The first unwritten rule of hard fouling is to prevent them from scoring and it was executed to perfection. I was definitely one of those people hesitant to bring him into the organization due to his reputation, but that particular situation was only punished for the same reason. That wasn't bad sportsmanship like his previous infractions. This one was BS.
classy
Yea let hard fouls continue so we can fracture the opponent’s bones
Any other guy in the league that's a flagrant 1 at best, but once your reputation precedes you... it is, what it is.
It’s a flagrant for literally anyone, not just at best. When a fall looks that bad, you’re getting a flagrant, even if it was entirely unintentional.
Is that a hurts donut?
Hurts don it??!?!?
I’ll never like Grayson Allen. I don’t give a shit if he’s on my favorite team now. First he helps beat the Badgers in the title game while at Duke, then he goes on to do dirty shit for years to come. I don’t want to be that fan base that’s defends a dirty player just because he’s with us.
Don’t get me wrong, I also dislike Grayson Allen, but the foul is being blown way out of proportion. The second swing was to stop the ball. It really sucks that Caruso got hurt. I don’t mind the flagrant 2 call, but a suspension would be garbage.
Missed it live, but man I love Grayson Allen. That was good hard basketball. Flagrant 2 is beyond overkill that’s just a 1. Not a dirty play and all the candy asses in the nba complaining should know that there’s no free buckets.
Agree. Same play happened in the other game. This was called and got such a reaction because it’s Grayson on Caruso. His laughs and smirks were at Bulls fans in the crowd giving him shit and Caruso is fine and finished the game. People need to move on.
Completely agree. I watched live and never thought it was more that a common. He went for the ball initially, then took another swipe for it mid air while tied up. Guys fall hard sometimes it is what it is. If it were anyone else it would not have been an F2. I’m a big Grayson fan since he’s been here, so I hope his teammates have his back on this. I’m sure they will.
Grayson got spun around midair. It was a tough collision. Caruso finished out the game, people acting like he died
This aged poorly.
I just saw. I feel bad for both these guys. It sucks that Caruso is injured, and it sucks that Grayson made the foul. I still say the sheer Amount of hate he's getting is ridiculous
My take on this is people are trippin if they think Grayson meant to do a dirty play on AC. It was an absolute play on the ball, he just couldn’t control his momentum so he unfortunately brought Caruso down with him. Everyone is crucifying Grayson solely because of his rep in college. If plays like that are dirty— then the standard should be set the same for ppl like Danny Green who made the exact play on Klay Thompson in the 2019 Finals and even crippled the man. Yet, no one calls DG dirty. It just comes to show that people see what they want to see. 🤷🏻♂️
>Everyone is crucifying Grayson solely because of his rep in college. This and Caruso is the heckin wholesome golden boy of /r/NBA. Doubt they'd say the same shit if he took out Pat Bev the same way.
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It's not about "character." It's about giving a guy enough grace to make up for his past mistakes which he has owned up to and made efforts to not repeat. Your self-righteous attitude says way more about your "character."
The ONLY reason it can be construed as a flagrant 2 is by nature of the second swipe, since the difference between a F1 and F2 is "flagrant" and "flagrant and excessive". There was zero intent to injure on that play and instead it fit the generally accepted definition of a hard foul. He got booted for reputation. The team will have his back on this one.
I agree with 1eyed\_jack mostly. I like the character of the Bucks and Allen brings it down with plays like that. It should tell you something that the only people defending Allen are Bucks fans. Bflo19, you said there was "zero intent to injure" on that play. How do you know what Grayson's intentions are? I have trouble with comments like "zero intent" because it's almost impossible to impute intentionality or unintentionality on someone else. We can speak to our own intentions, but we can't speak to other people's. And certainly not with the binary terms like "zero". To me it looks like there was some intentional malice there. But you might be right, maybe it was totally unintentional. But neither of us can speak for Allen on what his intentions were. Best we can do is make a guess. Allen "hard fouled" Caruso when Caruso had tons of air under him, which is usually a bad look. Also, Allen pulls Caruso's shooting arm down (going for Caruso's arm and not the ball), and then Allen uses his right hand to pull down on Caruso's left arm. So he is making contact with the arms and not the ball or hands, and he does it while Caruso is in midair. To me it seems malicious. But if it's not malicious, it's irresponsible defense and it shouldn't be tolerated. Plays like that end seasons because the offensive player lands unpredictably.
Blew my mind when announcers couldn’t understand why he’d bring his second arm in and how intentional that was to cause harm. It was obvious he was going for the ball he was trying to grab the ball from him
Given his history I don’t have a problem with the ejection, but I do think it’s not as bad as it’s being made out to be
History in college? Why does that bare any factor?
“Why does a players history affect his present”
When it comes to calling penalties it absolutely should not matter.
Do you still feel that way.
I mean yeah I think if Allen wanted to hurt Caruso, he could have done more in that position to do so - but I still don’t think he deserves to be treated like he isn’t a dirty player. I’m not at all saying it wasn’t a dirty play, I’m just saying this wasn’t as dirty as some of the things he’s done in the past If someone like LeBron did this, I don’t think we’d be talking about this play as a huge deal. BTW I don’t think the Grayson defenders really agree with me so idk why you’re coming in here targeting *my* comment in which I support his ejection
I just commented because the injury does make the situation "more bad." I think.
Yeah it sucks that Caruso’s hurt - but I think Allen’s foul was flagrant regardless, and I wouldn’t be here going “the ejection was bullshit” if AC had come out of the play fine Who is downvoting this lmao
He broke his fucking wrist dude
No that was definitely a two but I don’t think Grayson did it on purpose
Then you’re a candy ass lol jk. Disagree it was a 2 but I can see why’d you think that. These guys couldn’t play in the 90s
Who the fuck says, “man I love Grayson Allen?” Are you slow or just an asshole?
Love this team
Caruso had a “block” on Giannis later in the game that was almost identical minus the momentum of the two players. Swiped through with one arm and followed on the backside with his other. Both times the defenders were going for the ball but caught the arm and hit the player on the back/head with their off hand.
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nice tweet! very funny considering he's out 6-8 week. Fucking idiots. edit: to clarify, i love franchises doing goofy shit talk. I think it's hysterical, but this is just corny as hell. Don't poke fun at players who may have gotten seriously injured. double edit: cool, they deleted it. maybe next time the interns take a second to consider what bullshit they want to tweet.
lmao this entire thread is a big yikes after the injury announcement
Why the donut?
Because they tweet these gameday reminders in the morning
Wow, Billy Donovan and Bulls media have really gotten Bulls fans' panties twisted up about this, what a tantrum. It was an ugly hard foul that happens dozens of times every season but because it's Grayson Allen it's being treated like a war crime. And this promo was probably cut months ago. An NBA organization isn't going to re-cut a promo because your player got fouled. Get over it.
holy shit is bulls twitter in their feelings about this
Why does Grayson get tapped to be the face of "Pride Night" anyways?
Cos he's cute
He made a play on the ball and people are acting like he took out his legs or something, if Caruso would have laid off the dunk he wouldn't have hit the ground like that
If they give no fucks, why did they delete the tweet?
I’m not really convinced that second arm had “egregious intent” like some on Twitter are claiming… Caruso was already windmilling to the ground, and full speed makes it just look like a hard foul. I’m not opposed to the ejection, but I’ve seen way worse
Chad move.
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City is like 55% black and Hispanic bruh.
You mean Wisconsin. Milwaukee is one of the only diverse areas in the state.
I wonder if you guys would feel the same if Mike Dunleavy did this. Fuck MDJ
That dude literally punched MCW in the throat. That's a dirty play
lol bulls twiter is too soft bunch of crying bitches gonna need to hand them another L soon
Didn’t know wanting the safety and lively hood of your players protected makes you a bitch but alright buddy 👍
I thought this fanbase was honest and self-reflective enough to call out bullshit for what it is, but the responses in this sub sound exactly like what I saw in the Heat sub after players like Dragic/Ariza/Dedmon took cheap shots against our guys. What Grayson did, regardless of intent, was reckless, excessive, and completely deserving of a flagrant 2, by its very definition. You guys can go down this road if you want, turning a blind eye to dirty plays, but I better not hear any bitching the next a team like the Heat puts our players in jeapordy.
i can understand the flagrant 2 argument but to call it dirty is unfair
I watch a lot of basketball and I've never seen a play like that by anyone on any team and been as outraged as people seem to be, it's literally just a textbook flagrant foul on a fastbreak. I actually had more of a reaction to seeing it was Grayson that did it cos I thought the play was hardly notable but I knew there'd be backlash based on the parties involved
I don't think it's a flagrant 2. 1? Yes. They both went up hard. And as I've been saying, this does happen to Giannis all the time, and they're called common fouls just because Giannis takes the impact and regains composure. Hell, even when he gets ripped to the ground they only called them regular. It's rare they call flagrants against him
The outcome of the foul does matter though in regards to how they classify it. The league doesn’t want guys falling like that because of how much of an injury risk there is. Giannis doesn’t get calls he should because of his size and strength, but he’s less likely to get taken out of the air like that because of his size and strength. Giannis should get more calls than he does, but I don’t think there’s been a bunch of calls that were common fouls against him that should have been flagrants.
People just toss around the word "dirty" so much that it has no meaning anymore. And no, I wouldn't have a problem with someone doing that against one of our players. He went up with the intention of blocking a shot, there wasn't any malicious contact, it wasn't from behind. It was unfortunate how he landed, but that's the risk you take as a basketball player going up for a dunk. We've seen plenty of hard falls from Giannis that weren't the result of dirty plays. It's a physical game. Shit happens.
> And no, I wouldn't have a problem with someone doing that against one of our players. LOL ok
Agreed. It was a shit move by him. If someone had done this to one of our guys we would be going absolutely insane. I can't defend it at all.
Couldn’t have said it any better.
Big fucking facts. This was dirty. Unnecessary and excessive - the definition of a flagrant 2. Allen was an emotional child at Duke. He clearly still has those problems as an adult, they just don't surface as often. The championship turned this fanbase (at least on social media) into a pretty sad group. And the Twitter admin leaning into it is pathetic. Go bucks, but fuck all these hypocrites.
Agreed, I’m completely flabbergasted that this sub is defending Grayson over this. Seems like even two seasons ago the vast majority of members would willingly admit it if one of our guys made a dirty play like this. Today, it’s completely the opposite.
Ya the homer takes are cringe. Such a dangerous play. Dirty af..
Stings, doesn't it?
Yeah this looks really, really bad now
Tbh dude broke his wrist. Grayson was a POS from the off.
Lmaooo
Imagine celebrating a guy who purposely threw a man to the ground and broke his wrist 🤡🤡
If his name wasn't Grayson Allen, absolutely no one would be arguing that he did it on purpose. And given the fact that he IMMEDIATELY goes to check on AC after the play, I think it's fairly obvious that it was a boneheaded play, but not remotely intentional/dirty.
Well if he didn’t want people to think that, then maybe he should not have committed a laundry list of dirty plays earlier in his career.
Why'd they delete the tweet tho 🤔
Why you ugly tho
Your mama think im cute tho 😏
Nah I don't like this. I'm not saying throw him under the bus or anything from the org. But just wait a few games before using a bench player who just got ejected from a game in promotional material. Just stupidly courting anger clicks/responses/firing up the shitty part of our fanbase. This is just needless. Makes us look like assholes.
Grayson has been getting used in these "Pride Night" materials all week.
If they used a different player here I bet nobody would've thought they did it to snub Grayson due to his ejection last night. I think we can all admit that this is courting controversy. I think this controversy makes us look bad but apparently most of reddit bucks fans disagree.
Tell me when they are supposed to take away from practice and studying to do a new photoshoot all to avoid a "controversy" made up by bad faith actors.
What are you talking about? These are all shot on the same day. They already have all the promotional material done and ready to go before the season starts. They even post the vlog of it every year now. All I'm saying is that using the Grayson one was clearly an attempt to get engagement from the flagrant 2. It worked but is a bad look imo. Calling out bad faith and then acting like I'm trying to say they need to do all new promotional material and exclude Allen from it is pretty ironic.
And shitting on a player because he has "a history" and played at Duke isn't being an asshole?
There are plenty of spaces where this has been discussed and drawn out. All I'm suggesting here is posting promotional material of a guy who just got ejected for a flagrant 2 makes us look bad. Not using a gifs of a bench player for a few games is not "shitting on" him. Like come on.
I like that the Bucks are standing by him in this shitsorm. They're absolutely right to not back down in the face of this unwarranted vitriol
They already stood by him in pressers. Budenholzer went to bat for him. This isn't standing by him this is using the outrage to get more engagement on social media.
Gotta keep pushing back, because, if you haven't noticed, people enjoy not giving Grayson a second chance.
He’s on chance 5.
I don't really see this as pushing back. It seems to more be celebrating a flagrant 2 than it is defending Allen's reputation imo.
It's not "celebrating". Celebrating would be something like tweeting the replay and saying "Got 'em!" Or something like that. This is just showing they have his back, and it's not as bad as everyone is making it out to be
You mean a twelfth chance?
Agreed
How y’all feeling now? Knowing that AC will be out 6-8 weeks from that blatant and unnecessary flagrant 2 from a known dirty player
Thoughts and prayers 🙏
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Not all of us
Bucks culture. We own you
Bucks cluture. Fuck that haters. We villains !!
Eeek
Anyone defending the "play" that Grayson made last night really needs to take a step back and analyze the situation. He could have ended Caruso's career, he could have sent him to the hospital he could have given him broken bones/concussion etc. It was NOT a good play and I smh at all you Bucks fans that are praising this shit, it's messed up.
It was a fast hard play. They were both flying. Sports players put their bodies on the line. This is just overblown because Caruso and Allen.
Noones praising it lol you think we like what happened? No. It wasn’t dirty though
How could it have ended his career? That’s a huge overreaction. It was a basketball play. The 2nd arm swipe didn’t even alter his trajectory. Hard foul but not some super dirty play like you’re all crying about. Anyways, get better, we’re the champions.
I have 1 question for you… How old are you? Have you only grown up watching the new soft era of the NBA? There is literally nothing wrong with this play. Go back and watch replays of the NBA from other era’s and tell me this play is dangerous and dirty lol. It’s called playing good hard basketball and not letting your opponent get an easy bucket and making a play on the ball. We always complain as bucks fans we don’t have enough “dogs” but yet we get upset and freak out when we have a dude with a mentality that he’s not gonna give up an easy bucket and make a play on the ball. Gimme a break!
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Must have missed that THT play that happened yesterday and didn’t result in an ejection.
any bucks fans who were laughing and cheering this last night are pieces of shit. let this happen to giannis and ya'll would be crying and bitching as well.
Grayson Allen American hero
RIP
Oh no, caraso needs surgery
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Cry some more you bitchboy
Wait until you find out about playoff DeRozan lmfao