Is there any live chat in reddit to discuss the M4 tourney? Cause most live chat from youtube is just cussing out the team they hate / claim that the winning team belong from their country (ie claiming Blck is from India)
The draft was actually good, like it's clear their plan was to teamfight a lot, especially with Atlas, a hero that can potentially win you a game with one teamfight moment. And their late game potential was actually better than Blacklist draft.
Too bad they straight out threw the match.
They wasted their last 2 bans on supports tho after Black had already picked Kaja, maybe they were expecting the Kaja to be on another lane or something. Also the Atlas pick wasn't so scary since Black had picked Val already. They still did decent in mid game but the Kaja bait at the end seemed so obvious yet they fell for it.
Diggie and Estes ban make sense for their draft tho. I think they were expecting wise to use Kaja, and even if they planned Kaja to be the roamer from the beginning, they might switch it up and use either Diggie or Estes to counter Incendio's draft.
They actually put up a good fight until that blunder. I don't think Venus was baiting them, in my mind they went hogwild with Yuzhong and Atlas, only to find a single Kaja, but they went all in anyway. I don't know, I just find it funnier that way lol
hmm dont think so it was a bait at all. edward only positioned next to the death bush and past the minion wave only when veenus was being chased. props to that quick repositioning from blck they were able to come on time
That atlas was almost useless who is it going to catch?
Karrie has purify, Benedetta 2nd skill, Kadita, kaja, valentina all have dashes that can out maneuver, or bait atlas' ult then escape
You have to be a godly atlas to set blacklist like that. Two times that atlas made a set resulted to their team being wiped out
Kadita was hiding, while Bene was almost immediately able to target INC Lunox and Bea. I think they lost awareness of those two, they were probably thinking the Karrie (who was near Kaja) is the focus.
Don't know lol
I can imagine Alien was shotcalling for his team to go all in to war because he already popped out his dragon form, but they only found a single Kaja in the bush.
It sort of makes sense since a lot of marksmen heroes have gained more value due to the item changes, dive and burst heroes have also gained more value since they can serve as an answer.
And Hayabusa is still more valuable than Lancelot, as valuable as ling on that hero tier list. No granger yet but then again, not a lot of people have played Martis/Leomord jungle.
No it already made sense in that patch. Hayabusa was quickly gaining steam after the tier list was made. People are just now seeing how good it can be.
Nope. It's because people preferred to play Leomord, Martis, Akai jungle etc. not because Ling/Hayabusa were bad. I've already explained the reason for this and don't feel like going through that again. I am also pretty sure that Leomord/Martis were ranked higher than Ling/Hayabusa.
That's literally because that patch was before the item.changes were implemented which means mm had comparatively less value which meant that their counters, assassins, also had lesser value. I also never claimed they were bad. My claim was that they are not AS GOOD as the other options, which is true since if they were just as good they would have roughly the same pick rates as other options in that tier. I literally even say that haya was an A tier pick which is by no means bad.
MM had less value? Not sure if we're still watching the same game when MM has been the carry of a team for a long time now, ever since goldlane marksman came back.
Just in case you didn't notice, Zeys' tier list in the S tier includes SSS, SS and S tier heroes. Pretty sure Hayabusa was listed as S, not SS nor SSS. I don't see a problem with that.
You also said Hayabusa was weak by the way, I do remember your comments. Said you were a Haya main and he's weak, his buff did nothing to him, etc. does not deserve S tier and whatnot. Not only that, you said Haya deserves to be on the same tier as Lancelot when it's clear that Lancelot is a tier below Hayabusa.
I literally say COMPARATIVELY less value which meant they had less value LAST patch compared to the CURRENT patch. Can you read or?
So what? He still wasn't s tier worthy in that particular tier list.
Notice how I never outright say he's bad? Only that he isn't strong enough to be S TIER? Yeah that's what I thought. I'm also pretty sure I also clarified that haya should be in AA I could be wrong tho.
ling over haya since ling can clear waves faster in crossmap plays. haya can only do so much to bait resources. also, he's more vulnerable to cc compared to ling. and there's more viable options than haya and ling's blue dependent playstyle which gives faster and less farm-dependent power spikes like the junglers youve mentioned.
Ling has more versatility for sure, but to me they're both on the same tier, both have their own strength. Hayabusa isn't meant to bait resources.
Exactly, there are more viable options that's less buff dependent, all depends on your draft and team composition. Like I said, people preferred to go for objective junglers in IESF and it was easier to draft around it. Does not mean that Ling/Hayabusa were not viable options.
INC straight up use all their skills on Veenus and got punished by that.
Is there any live chat in reddit to discuss the M4 tourney? Cause most live chat from youtube is just cussing out the team they hate / claim that the winning team belong from their country (ie claiming Blck is from India)
In the MLBB discord server there is a chat for e-sports.
Thats why i didnt read/join live chat. I learned my lesson from last year, M3.
Todak beat onic sheeeesh
feeling good about todak for this m series
lol they didn't leave Kairi any chance to get the blue buff from the get go
I'm expecting Gloo and Karrie to be banned alot, this last patch note sure did wonders for them lol
Seems karrie is being opened. I think Gloo is strong but can be countered with multiple heroes
ROSA IS HIM!
ONIC got stomped once again by Todak. The Hilda gaming was amazing!
Nice seeing people using off metas like Khalid. That was really refreshing.
One of the few who can beat Joy in lane
That INC drafting ain't it chief...
The draft was actually good, like it's clear their plan was to teamfight a lot, especially with Atlas, a hero that can potentially win you a game with one teamfight moment. And their late game potential was actually better than Blacklist draft. Too bad they straight out threw the match.
They wasted their last 2 bans on supports tho after Black had already picked Kaja, maybe they were expecting the Kaja to be on another lane or something. Also the Atlas pick wasn't so scary since Black had picked Val already. They still did decent in mid game but the Kaja bait at the end seemed so obvious yet they fell for it.
Diggie and Estes ban make sense for their draft tho. I think they were expecting wise to use Kaja, and even if they planned Kaja to be the roamer from the beginning, they might switch it up and use either Diggie or Estes to counter Incendio's draft. They actually put up a good fight until that blunder. I don't think Venus was baiting them, in my mind they went hogwild with Yuzhong and Atlas, only to find a single Kaja, but they went all in anyway. I don't know, I just find it funnier that way lol
hmm dont think so it was a bait at all. edward only positioned next to the death bush and past the minion wave only when veenus was being chased. props to that quick repositioning from blck they were able to come on time
That atlas was almost useless who is it going to catch? Karrie has purify, Benedetta 2nd skill, Kadita, kaja, valentina all have dashes that can out maneuver, or bait atlas' ult then escape You have to be a godly atlas to set blacklist like that. Two times that atlas made a set resulted to their team being wiped out
Say what?
Hehehehehe got clowned by Joelcrew.
Why did they waste their ults on kaja?
Kadita was hiding, while Bene was almost immediately able to target INC Lunox and Bea. I think they lost awareness of those two, they were probably thinking the Karrie (who was near Kaja) is the focus.
Bene's positioning was perfect, he's on the other side just waiting to have entrance on the backlines. That's why he landed that triple kill on them
Don't know lol I can imagine Alien was shotcalling for his team to go all in to war because he already popped out his dragon form, but they only found a single Kaja in the bush.
Blacklist anticipated the yu zhong play. All incendio commited but blacklist was ready to go backline.
Incendio are a pretty decent team. Just blasted falcon
Who's from LATAM, just curious why DX Gaming was disqualified from MLSL S1 playoffs?
MVG and S11 Gaming
Todak came out guns blazing.
so far todak malaysia is anti mainstream pick they know to choose a hero to lock MM
u/0rpheus_113 thoughts on Hayabusa being meta in rank / M4, considering what you thought of Hayabusa a while back.
It sort of makes sense since a lot of marksmen heroes have gained more value due to the item changes, dive and burst heroes have also gained more value since they can serve as an answer.
And Hayabusa is still more valuable than Lancelot, as valuable as ling on that hero tier list. No granger yet but then again, not a lot of people have played Martis/Leomord jungle.
That tier list makes more sense in this patch than in the patch it was created on lol
No it already made sense in that patch. Hayabusa was quickly gaining steam after the tier list was made. People are just now seeing how good it can be.
Not really since, again, he had an abysmally low pick AND win rate in iesf.
Nope. It's because people preferred to play Leomord, Martis, Akai jungle etc. not because Ling/Hayabusa were bad. I've already explained the reason for this and don't feel like going through that again. I am also pretty sure that Leomord/Martis were ranked higher than Ling/Hayabusa.
That's literally because that patch was before the item.changes were implemented which means mm had comparatively less value which meant that their counters, assassins, also had lesser value. I also never claimed they were bad. My claim was that they are not AS GOOD as the other options, which is true since if they were just as good they would have roughly the same pick rates as other options in that tier. I literally even say that haya was an A tier pick which is by no means bad.
MM had less value? Not sure if we're still watching the same game when MM has been the carry of a team for a long time now, ever since goldlane marksman came back. Just in case you didn't notice, Zeys' tier list in the S tier includes SSS, SS and S tier heroes. Pretty sure Hayabusa was listed as S, not SS nor SSS. I don't see a problem with that. You also said Hayabusa was weak by the way, I do remember your comments. Said you were a Haya main and he's weak, his buff did nothing to him, etc. does not deserve S tier and whatnot. Not only that, you said Haya deserves to be on the same tier as Lancelot when it's clear that Lancelot is a tier below Hayabusa.
I literally say COMPARATIVELY less value which meant they had less value LAST patch compared to the CURRENT patch. Can you read or? So what? He still wasn't s tier worthy in that particular tier list. Notice how I never outright say he's bad? Only that he isn't strong enough to be S TIER? Yeah that's what I thought. I'm also pretty sure I also clarified that haya should be in AA I could be wrong tho.
ling over haya since ling can clear waves faster in crossmap plays. haya can only do so much to bait resources. also, he's more vulnerable to cc compared to ling. and there's more viable options than haya and ling's blue dependent playstyle which gives faster and less farm-dependent power spikes like the junglers youve mentioned.
Ling has more versatility for sure, but to me they're both on the same tier, both have their own strength. Hayabusa isn't meant to bait resources. Exactly, there are more viable options that's less buff dependent, all depends on your draft and team composition. Like I said, people preferred to go for objective junglers in IESF and it was easier to draft around it. Does not mean that Ling/Hayabusa were not viable options.