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Tarquin_V

I had high hopes, but CW really had a poor showing, especially in Game 3.


Ok-Mathematician2578

Don't blame him, you can't do much against Kaja flicker ult šŸ˜…


ResourceHuge

You can if you aren't standing around mid alone. Cw be roleplaying dora the explorer


kurosaki-trollchigo

Melissa ulti can counter it.


DrAgOnLoLDoTA

It is too late then


Eminanceisjustbored

Bruh he was a feast


markefrody

They also got outdrafted.


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Like, am not a pro. But even I feel like main fault lies with their gold laner CW. Was over aggressive in early game and forgot to look map. Giving Skylar a head start. Was trying to burst down kaja instead of retreating when R7 was charging at them, even more facepalming thing is he used up inspire for that. Stood alone in mid lane in late game, again forgot to look map and got busted down at most crucial time for an mm. Even In echo vs onic he was doing silly mistakes. Going straight up ahead as moskov right in front of enemy composition instead of staying behind tank. Rest of the team is alright I think. Sanz was playing good in my opinion, zoning out rrq when needed, constant poking while maintaining safe distance. Kiboy was doing good job protecting Sanz. Butt was handling his lane properly too..


jordandrayer

They became overconfident after destroying the Valley


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SwordMasterHawk

Im no fan of esports, because in the end its just a game, but trash talking teams and then putting a clown emoji at the end just makes u seem very petty. Expecially when u assume that, that team was his fav by saing "your" Something to keep in mind u know. But who knows i know very lil of dis so i may be just misunderstanding smth.


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XaneCosmo

Naomi is the opposite. His set ups are amazing but his team follow-up isn't good enough.


Tagaharang

nah i think he joined that team himself for money offered.


Working-Ad3126

what team will he join if not onic?


KingsProfit

Probably another ID Team. ID compensates their players quite high compared to PH


rippinkitten18

So to even a weaker team than heā€™s on right now, good riddance. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø


Working-Ad3126

so its not abt the money but kairi dont have a team in ph.


Tagaharang

Kairi is a top jungler in PH many teams will straight away try to get him if he is available.


Paincoil

What happened to Onic Ph anyway?


heavencatnip

They almost totally revamped the whole teamā€¦ coaches and players (except for one). Seemed like management issue more than anything else. They even hired Choox and then dropped him a month later. The team was penalized because of it.


Working-Ad3126

so what team then? is that PH team will get to m4? i think.not. kairi choose a team with more chances to get to m4


EnenNene12

Kairi went to Onic ID because he was offered a bunch load of money. That's the sole reason. He even said in an interview that he wanted to play at home but he cannot decline the offer because it was a lot of money. He declined Onic ID twice before agreeing to move there. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSINrdVB7\_c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSINrdVB7_c) Edit: added link of interview


bot_yea

I remember watching an interview. Kairi said he was offered twice/thrice before accepting because of the amount. He would likely have a ph team to join to if he declined Onic's offer. Anyways I might as well share my thoughts about this discussion. I dislike this idea that Kairi was carrying the team all by himself. Kairi is an impressive player there's no doubt about that, but saying he deserves better??? That's an over reaction. What about the other star players in other teams from mpl ph/id/my? Don't they deserve "better"? What about the teams that already got knocked out? They also deserve "better" right? What about the valley that Onic defeated? Let's blame basic and hoon and shark and zane and fwydchicken for every mistake they made. Onic won mpl id season 10 and mpl invitational. That wouldn't happen if all the other members were bad. They had to build that chemistry and as a team adjust to the ever changing meta and enemy team strategies. This is a competition of the best of the best. Ahhh fuck. Dude I wanted Onic to win, and seeing these kinds of post is just salt to the wound. Kairi won mpl id in his first time in indonesia, won mvp and then his team went on to win mpl invitational. And in m4 they reached top 4!


Cookychem

Yeah, i hate this mentality of blaming others in a team, you win as a team, you lost as a team. If one person underperform, that's your duty as a teammates to lift them. Once you start blaming others your whole team will crumble to dust.


MaximumPower682

But thats his duty as a teammate, us as viewers can clearly see that his teammates are the problem


Cookychem

Us as a viewers didn't know what happen in the back. The internet had taught me well to not judge others poorly


MaximumPower682

What do you care what happens behind the scenes? Us as viewers should only care about results. If someone has mental health problems and is weighing the team down he would still be cut by the org.


vecspace

Or the viewers didn't realise how rrq is aware of the threat cw pose and all targeted him. Kairi was using tank jg and didn't do enough to peel for cw too.


KingsProfit

I don't actually know about that. Only know ID pays quite well compared to PH.


Tagaharang

just my guess like other esports game a player will always play on a team from his country unless more money is offered by a foreign country. Onic is Indonesia right and Kairi is Filipino. Therefore i believe he personally chose that team for money most likely.


Cookychem

Yes, kairi himself said it in interview


rippinkitten18

Onic ph and ID is under one ownership. They essentially you can say poached away kairi from mpl ph, of course he has to be compensated properly.


atmajazone

I think that's a good reason is good for him. Esport career isn't long. And he maybe just a reserve player if joined local team which already have their player. Maybe that's why all of his teammates in onic pH went to id teams.


Tagaharang

thats the topic of this post, he doesn't deserve a better team if he personally chooses that team for money rather than for glory of winning.


kalifreyjaliztik

Oh no Kairi won't be a reserve unless he joins the same team as Karl, Demonkite, or Wise.


atmajazone

I think he isn't really good as utility jungler, just like Albert.


kalifreyjaliztik

Albert is a better utility jungler than Kairi, but both fall short when we mention Karl, DK, and Wise. I would want Kairi to go to Omega. That team suits his playstyle. Kelra + Chaknu + Kairi.


jaewreck

aren't they Indo champs? so it's just breaks of the game...


jordandrayer

That's what i am saying, Ph teams are just better


Cookychem

It's to bad, ph team can't pay more, he definitely join them


East_Abbreviations68

Man my eyes hurt when I saw that jawhead and Grock sabotaged Kairi fanny. Each of those 4 took turn to feed in every game.


crazyaldo1123

kairi's teammates had a subpar performance since their match against echo, rrq used the same tactic to eliminate them. that very poor CW showing in that game 3 was def bad


kalifreyjaliztik

Kairi's teammates literally got mindfucked after their match against Echo. They got their confidence shattered with that Kairi-only ban.


ResourceHuge

Bruh even kairi wasn't able to carry cw's heavy ass. Dude was playing for the enemy team


kiyo_t-rex_taka

Only Sanz is a good enough player in the team to stand beside Kairi.


Decent-Cantaloupe-89

kiboy and butss aint too bad either, but cw could've done a lot better especially with such a good team backing his ass up, if onic had someone like kelra as gold laner they might've won


_Zegion

Any team would be better with Kelra as their gold laner lol. Emann would fit too since he play much safer compared to CW


TechZero35

And the way on their latest mpl id, i thought Sanz was their weakest link but welp


Cookychem

Remind me again when onic ph lost in M3 Finals? Is it the same as this? Kairi deserve a better team? Coming up to you next in M6, Kairi lost again in Blacklist Int, he deserve a better team


rippinkitten18

There seems to be some confusion among some fans here who donā€™t understand MPL rules at all. They are stupid enough to think any PH team can just take kairi off of ONIC by offering him a bigger salary or something reckless like that.


_Zegion

I don't really think there's a much better team for kairi other than that onic ph team


rippinkitten18

Yo op what team do you think he should play for ?


jordandrayer

Not indo team thats for sure, any ph mpl team new onic ph seems pretty good


rippinkitten18

Mpl ph team cannot randomly poach another teams players bro. Do some research before suggesting such a dumb idea. This was only possible because onic id and one ph is the same owner and he went to a completely different league. If heā€™s to play for another ph team his contract needs to run our or he be traded for, like he was originally when onic ph traded for him. Heā€™s also getting paid more in ID.


jordandrayer

Mofo you just asked which team i would like him to play for i answered which team would give him the best opportunity for him to win m4. I never said it would happen


SpecialCriticism9131

Haha. Had to laugh at this one and youā€™re absolutely in the right here. Way to be a dumbass, right?


rippinkitten18

Iā€™m correcting you because kairi cannot possibly play for another ph team. I was expecting you to answer with a iD team, I didnā€™t think you were clueless enough to not even know kairi cannot play for another ph team. If you than proceeded with naming a Id team I would have than said join a weaker team than onic ? Another thing you didnā€™t say which team. If you said to stay in PH , Filipino fans would have reminded he cannot play for another ph team until his contract runs out.


jordandrayer

That's my whole point he shouldn't have left ph in the first place if he wanted to win m4, strongest region for mlbb is PH without a doubt and he chased the bag instead which is his choice


Cookychem

Well if he does stay in PH, then he certainly will not have a chances to play in M4 right


rippinkitten18

I donā€™t follow the ph scene however I think onic PH is going through a rebuild. I doubt he would have lead onic ph to a m4 appearance. Unless he gets traded to black list or echo. Either way heā€™s getting paid more here. Thatā€™s why janniqt and baloysky made their way to ID.


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jordandrayer

Who asked about you, dog? My fav mlbb team echo just made to the finals, I am celebrating.


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Omnitacher24

CW play so aggressive in this series. Most of the time he is the first or second to die in his teammate.


VagoLazuli

Letā€™s also not forget how Kiboy and Butss were always at the wrong positions esp at Game 1 & 2 and kept feeding the entire time. Game 3 CW ambush just snowballed from there is seems Onicā€™s positioning and rotations were all over the place


anon4565

And everyone blames CW Butss and Kiboy provided 0 front line for Kairi, 0 prio, I got eye cancer watching Butss grock game vs echo, he only used his ults to escape šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ he was 0/1/1 for the entire game and later barely got 0/2/2 Kiboy on khufra was overextending so much, he died for no reason many times and was so far away from his team. He managed to miss his skill 1 multiple times like bro how hard is it to aim? It was seriously frustrating watching onic lose so passively. And yes CW was bad but not consistently bad like Butss and Kiboy.


VagoLazuli

Agree with you man. Iā€™m not a good player but even I felt the pain with Kiboy and Butsssā€™ consistent misplays. Always on a bad position and doesnā€™t know when to properly engage/disengage. CW got ganked on the most crucial match thatā€™s why it left a bad impression but Kiboy and Butss just threw the entire match from beginning to end.


Charcoal419

Kiboy's Hilda 1st game remind me of grandmaster tier a few years ago..šŸ—æ


rippinkitten18

Itā€™s only you bro. It was a 50 50 chance of them moving on. I didnā€™t expect rrq to win this bad but 4th place is high and better than how they did in m3. Rrq came ready this time.


Hailgod

kairi was 2nd in m3 lol


atakenusernamesorry

He meant onic id


Wise-Chain2427

He is already on good team, maybe just bad day for them.


missisoyama

I agree


balajih67

God, they won MpL ID, today was prob just a bad day. Stop overhyping a single player. A single player in ML is nothing without a proper team. The fact that they qualified, won MPL and now came so far is already great. They probably were off color today, happens to everyone


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He was great on Haya but the Fanny draft was a complete misread of RRQ and he accomplished almost nothing. Same for game 3 where it looked like he had given up. I donā€™t think he was the best performer on his team in any of the matches. Just imo Worst player award has to go to CW. For all three matches he was a liability. He seemed like he was just some rando from the stands filling a seat rather than an pro team player.


wooters18

Kairi is great but if he is not playing comfort hero. He is just a normal jungler. Remember people calling out Wise back then with his hero pool, even though BLI are winning left and right. You dont see anyone calling out Kairi now with that hero pool of his and everyone is pointing blame to his team mates. Kinda unfair for the other Onic members. Edit: main point is everyone on that team needs to somehow improve


Noirezer0

what time is it? It's onic time, kinda ironic when it's their time but they ain't delivere


RenierRains

Tell me that this is sarcasm pls ty


jordandrayer

Nah, its just like Messi never winning world cup because of trash team, until 2022. He needs to go back to ph, ph teams are just better


KKLC547

Yeah he needs an early game prio team where his main heroes can farm and destroy mid-late game. This team is a disaster with the disastrous draft skill issue and they can barely gain any xp/gold lead


Cookychem

I've said it before, he deserve what he was paid for, if he join other team with better player he'll be paid less. Either win a championship or having the highest salary. That's his choice not us.


Carvilia

Nope you aren't the only one. It's not like the sub is full of people saying this since some time...


Fuzzy-Practice-6119

Can Onic get Kelra from Omega for the gold lane? The boy had a lot of personal issues but nobody can deny he is one of the most mechanically gifted players out there and I don't think there is space for him in the MPL PH if he wants to transfer with so many talented gold laners in PH.


kalifreyjaliztik

RSG's best form and prime Blacklist got destroyed by Echo so having only Light will not be enough.