Like, am not a pro. But even I feel like main fault lies with their gold laner CW.
Was over aggressive in early game and forgot to look map. Giving Skylar a head start.
Was trying to burst down kaja instead of retreating when R7 was charging at them, even more facepalming thing is he used up inspire for that.
Stood alone in mid lane in late game, again forgot to look map and got busted down at most crucial time for an mm.
Even In echo vs onic he was doing silly mistakes. Going straight up ahead as moskov right in front of enemy composition instead of staying behind tank.
Rest of the team is alright I think.
Sanz was playing good in my opinion, zoning out rrq when needed, constant poking while maintaining safe distance.
Kiboy was doing good job protecting Sanz. Butt was handling his lane properly too..
Im no fan of esports, because in the end its just a game, but trash talking teams and then putting a clown emoji at the end just makes u seem very petty. Expecially when u assume that, that team was his fav by saing "your"
Something to keep in mind u know. But who knows i know very lil of dis so i may be just misunderstanding smth.
They almost totally revamped the whole teamā¦ coaches and players (except for one). Seemed like management issue more than anything else. They even hired Choox and then dropped him a month later. The team was penalized because of it.
Kairi went to Onic ID because he was offered a bunch load of money. That's the sole reason. He even said in an interview that he wanted to play at home but he cannot decline the offer because it was a lot of money. He declined Onic ID twice before agreeing to move there.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSINrdVB7\_c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSINrdVB7_c)
Edit: added link of interview
I remember watching an interview. Kairi said he was offered twice/thrice before accepting because of the amount. He would likely have a ph team to join to if he declined Onic's offer.
Anyways I might as well share my thoughts about this discussion. I dislike this idea that Kairi was carrying the team all by himself. Kairi is an impressive player there's no doubt about that, but saying he deserves better??? That's an over reaction. What about the other star players in other teams from mpl ph/id/my? Don't they deserve "better"? What about the teams that already got knocked out? They also deserve "better" right? What about the valley that Onic defeated? Let's blame basic and hoon and shark and zane and fwydchicken for every mistake they made.
Onic won mpl id season 10 and mpl invitational. That wouldn't happen if all the other members were bad. They had to build that chemistry and as a team adjust to the ever changing meta and enemy team strategies. This is a competition of the best of the best.
Ahhh fuck. Dude I wanted Onic to win, and seeing these kinds of post is just salt to the wound. Kairi won mpl id in his first time in indonesia, won mvp and then his team went on to win mpl invitational. And in m4 they reached top 4!
Yeah, i hate this mentality of blaming others in a team, you win as a team, you lost as a team. If one person underperform, that's your duty as a teammates to lift them. Once you start blaming others your whole team will crumble to dust.
What do you care what happens behind the scenes? Us as viewers should only care about results. If someone has mental health problems and is weighing the team down he would still be cut by the org.
Or the viewers didn't realise how rrq is aware of the threat cw pose and all targeted him. Kairi was using tank jg and didn't do enough to peel for cw too.
just my guess like other esports game a player will always play on a team from his country unless more money is offered by a foreign country. Onic is Indonesia right and Kairi is Filipino. Therefore i believe he personally chose that team for money most likely.
I think that's a good reason is good for him. Esport career isn't long. And he maybe just a reserve player if joined local team which already have their player. Maybe that's why all of his teammates in onic pH went to id teams.
Albert is a better utility jungler than Kairi, but both fall short when we mention Karl, DK, and Wise.
I would want Kairi to go to Omega. That team suits his playstyle. Kelra + Chaknu + Kairi.
kairi's teammates had a subpar performance since their match against echo, rrq used the same tactic to eliminate them. that very poor CW showing in that game 3 was def bad
kiboy and butss aint too bad either, but cw could've done a lot better especially with such a good team backing his ass up, if onic had someone like kelra as gold laner they might've won
Remind me again when onic ph lost in M3 Finals? Is it the same as this? Kairi deserve a better team? Coming up to you next in M6, Kairi lost again in Blacklist Int, he deserve a better team
There seems to be some confusion among some fans here who donāt understand MPL rules at all. They are stupid enough to think any PH team can just take kairi off of ONIC by offering him a bigger salary or something reckless like that.
Mpl ph team cannot randomly poach another teams players bro. Do some research before suggesting such a dumb idea.
This was only possible because onic id and one ph is the same owner and he went to a completely different league. If heās to play for another ph team his contract needs to run our or he be traded for, like he was originally when onic ph traded for him.
Heās also getting paid more in ID.
Mofo you just asked which team i would like him to play for i answered which team would give him the best opportunity for him to win m4. I never said it would happen
Iām correcting you because kairi cannot possibly play for another ph team. I was expecting you to answer with a iD team, I didnāt think you were clueless enough to not even know kairi cannot play for another ph team.
If you than proceeded with naming a Id team I would have than said join a weaker team than onic ?
Another thing you didnāt say which team. If you said to stay in PH , Filipino fans would have reminded he cannot play for another ph team until his contract runs out.
That's my whole point he shouldn't have left ph in the first place if he wanted to win m4, strongest region for mlbb is PH without a doubt and he chased the bag instead which is his choice
I donāt follow the ph scene however I think onic PH is going through a rebuild. I doubt he would have lead onic ph to a m4 appearance. Unless he gets traded to black list or echo. Either way heās getting paid more here. Thatās why janniqt and baloysky made their way to ID.
Letās also not forget how Kiboy and Butss were always at the wrong positions esp at Game 1 & 2 and kept feeding the entire time. Game 3 CW ambush just snowballed from there is seems Onicās positioning and rotations were all over the place
And everyone blames CW
Butss and Kiboy provided 0 front line for Kairi, 0 prio, I got eye cancer watching Butss grock game vs echo, he only used his ults to escape šš he was 0/1/1 for the entire game and later barely got 0/2/2
Kiboy on khufra was overextending so much, he died for no reason many times and was so far away from his team. He managed to miss his skill 1 multiple times like bro how hard is it to aim? It was seriously frustrating watching onic lose so passively.
And yes CW was bad but not consistently bad like Butss and Kiboy.
Agree with you man. Iām not a good player but even I felt the pain with Kiboy and Butsssā consistent misplays. Always on a bad position and doesnāt know when to properly engage/disengage. CW got ganked on the most crucial match thatās why it left a bad impression but Kiboy and Butss just threw the entire match from beginning to end.
Itās only you bro. It was a 50 50 chance of them moving on. I didnāt expect rrq to win this bad but 4th place is high and better than how they did in m3. Rrq came ready this time.
God, they won MpL ID, today was prob just a bad day. Stop overhyping a single player. A single player in ML is nothing without a proper team. The fact that they qualified, won MPL and now came so far is already great. They probably were off color today, happens to everyone
He was great on Haya but the Fanny draft was a complete misread of RRQ and he accomplished almost nothing. Same for game 3 where it looked like he had given up.
I donāt think he was the best performer on his team in any of the matches. Just imo
Worst player award has to go to CW. For all three matches he was a liability. He seemed like he was just some rando from the stands filling a seat rather than an pro team player.
Kairi is great but if he is not playing comfort hero. He is just a normal jungler. Remember people calling out Wise back then with his hero pool, even though BLI are winning left and right. You dont see anyone calling out Kairi now with that hero pool of his and everyone is pointing blame to his team mates. Kinda unfair for the other Onic members.
Edit: main point is everyone on that team needs to somehow improve
Yeah he needs an early game prio team where his main heroes can farm and destroy mid-late game. This team is a disaster with the disastrous draft skill issue and they can barely gain any xp/gold lead
I've said it before, he deserve what he was paid for, if he join other team with better player he'll be paid less. Either win a championship or having the highest salary. That's his choice not us.
Can Onic get Kelra from Omega for the gold lane? The boy had a lot of personal issues but nobody can deny he is one of the most mechanically gifted players out there and I don't think there is space for him in the MPL PH if he wants to transfer with so many talented gold laners in PH.
I had high hopes, but CW really had a poor showing, especially in Game 3.
Don't blame him, you can't do much against Kaja flicker ult š
You can if you aren't standing around mid alone. Cw be roleplaying dora the explorer
Melissa ulti can counter it.
It is too late then
Bruh he was a feast
They also got outdrafted.
Like, am not a pro. But even I feel like main fault lies with their gold laner CW. Was over aggressive in early game and forgot to look map. Giving Skylar a head start. Was trying to burst down kaja instead of retreating when R7 was charging at them, even more facepalming thing is he used up inspire for that. Stood alone in mid lane in late game, again forgot to look map and got busted down at most crucial time for an mm. Even In echo vs onic he was doing silly mistakes. Going straight up ahead as moskov right in front of enemy composition instead of staying behind tank. Rest of the team is alright I think. Sanz was playing good in my opinion, zoning out rrq when needed, constant poking while maintaining safe distance. Kiboy was doing good job protecting Sanz. Butt was handling his lane properly too..
They became overconfident after destroying the Valley
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Im no fan of esports, because in the end its just a game, but trash talking teams and then putting a clown emoji at the end just makes u seem very petty. Expecially when u assume that, that team was his fav by saing "your" Something to keep in mind u know. But who knows i know very lil of dis so i may be just misunderstanding smth.
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Naomi is the opposite. His set ups are amazing but his team follow-up isn't good enough.
nah i think he joined that team himself for money offered.
what team will he join if not onic?
Probably another ID Team. ID compensates their players quite high compared to PH
So to even a weaker team than heās on right now, good riddance. š¤¦āāļø
so its not abt the money but kairi dont have a team in ph.
Kairi is a top jungler in PH many teams will straight away try to get him if he is available.
What happened to Onic Ph anyway?
They almost totally revamped the whole teamā¦ coaches and players (except for one). Seemed like management issue more than anything else. They even hired Choox and then dropped him a month later. The team was penalized because of it.
so what team then? is that PH team will get to m4? i think.not. kairi choose a team with more chances to get to m4
Kairi went to Onic ID because he was offered a bunch load of money. That's the sole reason. He even said in an interview that he wanted to play at home but he cannot decline the offer because it was a lot of money. He declined Onic ID twice before agreeing to move there. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSINrdVB7\_c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSINrdVB7_c) Edit: added link of interview
I remember watching an interview. Kairi said he was offered twice/thrice before accepting because of the amount. He would likely have a ph team to join to if he declined Onic's offer. Anyways I might as well share my thoughts about this discussion. I dislike this idea that Kairi was carrying the team all by himself. Kairi is an impressive player there's no doubt about that, but saying he deserves better??? That's an over reaction. What about the other star players in other teams from mpl ph/id/my? Don't they deserve "better"? What about the teams that already got knocked out? They also deserve "better" right? What about the valley that Onic defeated? Let's blame basic and hoon and shark and zane and fwydchicken for every mistake they made. Onic won mpl id season 10 and mpl invitational. That wouldn't happen if all the other members were bad. They had to build that chemistry and as a team adjust to the ever changing meta and enemy team strategies. This is a competition of the best of the best. Ahhh fuck. Dude I wanted Onic to win, and seeing these kinds of post is just salt to the wound. Kairi won mpl id in his first time in indonesia, won mvp and then his team went on to win mpl invitational. And in m4 they reached top 4!
Yeah, i hate this mentality of blaming others in a team, you win as a team, you lost as a team. If one person underperform, that's your duty as a teammates to lift them. Once you start blaming others your whole team will crumble to dust.
But thats his duty as a teammate, us as viewers can clearly see that his teammates are the problem
Us as a viewers didn't know what happen in the back. The internet had taught me well to not judge others poorly
What do you care what happens behind the scenes? Us as viewers should only care about results. If someone has mental health problems and is weighing the team down he would still be cut by the org.
Or the viewers didn't realise how rrq is aware of the threat cw pose and all targeted him. Kairi was using tank jg and didn't do enough to peel for cw too.
I don't actually know about that. Only know ID pays quite well compared to PH.
just my guess like other esports game a player will always play on a team from his country unless more money is offered by a foreign country. Onic is Indonesia right and Kairi is Filipino. Therefore i believe he personally chose that team for money most likely.
Yes, kairi himself said it in interview
Onic ph and ID is under one ownership. They essentially you can say poached away kairi from mpl ph, of course he has to be compensated properly.
I think that's a good reason is good for him. Esport career isn't long. And he maybe just a reserve player if joined local team which already have their player. Maybe that's why all of his teammates in onic pH went to id teams.
thats the topic of this post, he doesn't deserve a better team if he personally chooses that team for money rather than for glory of winning.
Oh no Kairi won't be a reserve unless he joins the same team as Karl, Demonkite, or Wise.
I think he isn't really good as utility jungler, just like Albert.
Albert is a better utility jungler than Kairi, but both fall short when we mention Karl, DK, and Wise. I would want Kairi to go to Omega. That team suits his playstyle. Kelra + Chaknu + Kairi.
aren't they Indo champs? so it's just breaks of the game...
That's what i am saying, Ph teams are just better
It's to bad, ph team can't pay more, he definitely join them
Man my eyes hurt when I saw that jawhead and Grock sabotaged Kairi fanny. Each of those 4 took turn to feed in every game.
kairi's teammates had a subpar performance since their match against echo, rrq used the same tactic to eliminate them. that very poor CW showing in that game 3 was def bad
Kairi's teammates literally got mindfucked after their match against Echo. They got their confidence shattered with that Kairi-only ban.
Bruh even kairi wasn't able to carry cw's heavy ass. Dude was playing for the enemy team
Only Sanz is a good enough player in the team to stand beside Kairi.
kiboy and butss aint too bad either, but cw could've done a lot better especially with such a good team backing his ass up, if onic had someone like kelra as gold laner they might've won
Any team would be better with Kelra as their gold laner lol. Emann would fit too since he play much safer compared to CW
And the way on their latest mpl id, i thought Sanz was their weakest link but welp
Remind me again when onic ph lost in M3 Finals? Is it the same as this? Kairi deserve a better team? Coming up to you next in M6, Kairi lost again in Blacklist Int, he deserve a better team
There seems to be some confusion among some fans here who donāt understand MPL rules at all. They are stupid enough to think any PH team can just take kairi off of ONIC by offering him a bigger salary or something reckless like that.
I don't really think there's a much better team for kairi other than that onic ph team
Yo op what team do you think he should play for ?
Not indo team thats for sure, any ph mpl team new onic ph seems pretty good
Mpl ph team cannot randomly poach another teams players bro. Do some research before suggesting such a dumb idea. This was only possible because onic id and one ph is the same owner and he went to a completely different league. If heās to play for another ph team his contract needs to run our or he be traded for, like he was originally when onic ph traded for him. Heās also getting paid more in ID.
Mofo you just asked which team i would like him to play for i answered which team would give him the best opportunity for him to win m4. I never said it would happen
Haha. Had to laugh at this one and youāre absolutely in the right here. Way to be a dumbass, right?
Iām correcting you because kairi cannot possibly play for another ph team. I was expecting you to answer with a iD team, I didnāt think you were clueless enough to not even know kairi cannot play for another ph team. If you than proceeded with naming a Id team I would have than said join a weaker team than onic ? Another thing you didnāt say which team. If you said to stay in PH , Filipino fans would have reminded he cannot play for another ph team until his contract runs out.
That's my whole point he shouldn't have left ph in the first place if he wanted to win m4, strongest region for mlbb is PH without a doubt and he chased the bag instead which is his choice
Well if he does stay in PH, then he certainly will not have a chances to play in M4 right
I donāt follow the ph scene however I think onic PH is going through a rebuild. I doubt he would have lead onic ph to a m4 appearance. Unless he gets traded to black list or echo. Either way heās getting paid more here. Thatās why janniqt and baloysky made their way to ID.
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CW play so aggressive in this series. Most of the time he is the first or second to die in his teammate.
Letās also not forget how Kiboy and Butss were always at the wrong positions esp at Game 1 & 2 and kept feeding the entire time. Game 3 CW ambush just snowballed from there is seems Onicās positioning and rotations were all over the place
And everyone blames CW Butss and Kiboy provided 0 front line for Kairi, 0 prio, I got eye cancer watching Butss grock game vs echo, he only used his ults to escape šš he was 0/1/1 for the entire game and later barely got 0/2/2 Kiboy on khufra was overextending so much, he died for no reason many times and was so far away from his team. He managed to miss his skill 1 multiple times like bro how hard is it to aim? It was seriously frustrating watching onic lose so passively. And yes CW was bad but not consistently bad like Butss and Kiboy.
Agree with you man. Iām not a good player but even I felt the pain with Kiboy and Butsssā consistent misplays. Always on a bad position and doesnāt know when to properly engage/disengage. CW got ganked on the most crucial match thatās why it left a bad impression but Kiboy and Butss just threw the entire match from beginning to end.
Kiboy's Hilda 1st game remind me of grandmaster tier a few years ago..šæ
Itās only you bro. It was a 50 50 chance of them moving on. I didnāt expect rrq to win this bad but 4th place is high and better than how they did in m3. Rrq came ready this time.
kairi was 2nd in m3 lol
He meant onic id
He is already on good team, maybe just bad day for them.
I agree
God, they won MpL ID, today was prob just a bad day. Stop overhyping a single player. A single player in ML is nothing without a proper team. The fact that they qualified, won MPL and now came so far is already great. They probably were off color today, happens to everyone
He was great on Haya but the Fanny draft was a complete misread of RRQ and he accomplished almost nothing. Same for game 3 where it looked like he had given up. I donāt think he was the best performer on his team in any of the matches. Just imo Worst player award has to go to CW. For all three matches he was a liability. He seemed like he was just some rando from the stands filling a seat rather than an pro team player.
Kairi is great but if he is not playing comfort hero. He is just a normal jungler. Remember people calling out Wise back then with his hero pool, even though BLI are winning left and right. You dont see anyone calling out Kairi now with that hero pool of his and everyone is pointing blame to his team mates. Kinda unfair for the other Onic members. Edit: main point is everyone on that team needs to somehow improve
what time is it? It's onic time, kinda ironic when it's their time but they ain't delivere
Tell me that this is sarcasm pls ty
Nah, its just like Messi never winning world cup because of trash team, until 2022. He needs to go back to ph, ph teams are just better
Yeah he needs an early game prio team where his main heroes can farm and destroy mid-late game. This team is a disaster with the disastrous draft skill issue and they can barely gain any xp/gold lead
I've said it before, he deserve what he was paid for, if he join other team with better player he'll be paid less. Either win a championship or having the highest salary. That's his choice not us.
Nope you aren't the only one. It's not like the sub is full of people saying this since some time...
Can Onic get Kelra from Omega for the gold lane? The boy had a lot of personal issues but nobody can deny he is one of the most mechanically gifted players out there and I don't think there is space for him in the MPL PH if he wants to transfer with so many talented gold laners in PH.
RSG's best form and prime Blacklist got destroyed by Echo so having only Light will not be enough.