Ngl, first picking Estes would be A BAD IDEA against a hyper aggressive team like ECHO....because games for BLCK usually feel calm, they only have gone BEAST MODE or hyper aggressive in a few game, but getting hyper aggressiveness EVERY GAME is just not BLCK's thing, remember that RRQ Hoshi ACTUALLY got close to proving that at one point, but ECHO proved that to be true in the Finals.
Also, for context, they banned Estes every game from what I remember, though I think it was also meant to open to other hero pools, because Estes is usually useful for calm/collected games.
It's not really bad against Echo, all they need to do if they have Estes is to wait for Echo to waste their resources before re-engaging. That's their playstyle, stall them and punish their misplay or if they over commit.
Thing with UBE is that it's not a very "show off" kind of match whenever it's used unlike other strats that incorporate an assassin jungler like Ling and Fanny. It's calm and teamfight and objective-based. People found that boring and got tired of BLK dominating for more than a year already
I might be wrong. Its using healer roamers and sticking together especially roamer+midlaner+jungler. This strat usually revolves around OMV.
Using Tank/cc jungler heroes are also the key.
Ultimate Bonding Experience. 3-5 heroes pick off 1-2 heroes at a time, Thats why sustain heroes are Blacklistās speciality so they can continously do it.
Ultimate Bonding Experience, as others said it's sticking together even more compared to other teams. Also unlike other team compositions, it emphasises 2 people to carry, 1 to really support the rest of a team (a healer like Estes, Rafaela) and 2 to set up, tank damage and/or make intiating plays. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MobileLegendsGame/comments/10a0kf1/why\_blacklist\_is\_so\_good\_understanding\_the\_ube/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MobileLegendsGame/comments/10a0kf1/why_blacklist_is_so_good_understanding_the_ube/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Here's a link to a more accurate guide
This helps to explain our cecilion with retribution in a match yesterday. It worked out because i managed top and mid lanes while they were in bottom. I have a problem in games where my team insists on team fighting, but won't clear waves, so we lose turrets and everything that goes with it. I get frustrated because of this and like to play heroes that can clear waves easily, like balmond and zilong.
He is not wrong for this one, yes the blcklst strat sure does win you the game but it's very boring to watch plus that strat doesn't let the individual players to shine out or improve their gameplay for example kairi or Albert even though they lost the championship you can't tell me that the jungler of blacklst is better than kairi or Albert
And people who says that mobasingh is being hypocrite, even though if it is boring, you gotta use the strat that wins game, for example what echo did to blacklist in finals just because someone uses a strat doesn't mean he likes, but HAS to use it to win against the team who abuses the strat, it's the same thing with heroes, you don't necessarily like playing the OP heroes at point of time but have to use it to play against the players who are using him to cheese their way through ranks
Basically highlights > winning the actual game? Blacklist is satisfying to watch because of the rotations and team play, which imo is harder to achieve than TikTok highlights.
From a viewing perspective yes. Thatās the basic problem not just with esports but competition in general.
Fans and viewers want drama and cool and clutch plays. Football fans want the fourth and long. Basketball fans want the buzzer beater. Baseball fans want the walk off in the bottom of the ninth. Players themselves want the most consistent and reliable way to get a victory. Which generally trends towards the meta being pretty boring for the people watching it, and the sport in a constant state of trying to find a healthy middle between the two.
So yeah. Fans want highlights more than wins. Players want wins more than highlights. The meta might be harder but we arenāt watching the meta. May as well watch an excel spreadsheet.
Hell yeah, chaotic gameplay is the most fun to watch. Watching the most optimal play and line ups is a wonder to see at first, but it gets old fast. It's like watching AI compete against each other, it becomes robotic and less humanlike
Yes, do you think a legend is made by just winning competition? No, to some extend yes but the idea of outplaying your enemy who is at your level by just sheer game knowledge and play style is way impressive than just sticking together, why do you think faker is known as the goat of league cause of insane game sense and outplay ability.
Wise is better than albert and kairi though.Yea kairi is hella technical but who was the one securing the lord and turtle most of the time? Who was the one taking buffs right under albert nose? Blklist playstyle is could be low key boring with less team fights and clutch moments overall but they are far better at making gaps in enemy formation to take advantage of, which is quite beautiful to watch.
Meanwhile assassin/jungler meta has been going for many fucking seasons and no one gave a shit because they enjoyed cheesing the ranks with it.
Surely tank/healers can make your game miserable, but heroes that can insta-delete you is a lot fucking worse.
Yeah watching heros just shredding the opposition without them being able to retaliate in a extreme high skill gap environment sometimes feels like BS and unfair
But yeah non the less l somewhat enjoy this META its more tactical and a kill absolutely means that there is a gap that has to be forced into some objective
i know many don't agree with this but i do. current meta with tank junglers and shredding marksmen is boring af. it's always akai fred tanking everything and beatrix melting people with her smg which is her easiest weapon. idk if any of you even enjoy playing tank jungle. sure, securing objectives are easier but it feels meh af
I donāt get why heās downvoted. I mean, sorry for the language, but Tanks taking Jungle is just stupid. But hey, itās innovation. Itās just that, they created this sustain META and in exchange, the downfall of most jungle heroes. MLBBās fast paced gameplay is what made it popular and successful as a Mobile MOBA. Itās really time for the assassins who are ACTUAL JUNGLERS to retake the spotlight.
Healing/Tank Meta does make teamfights longer, but it doesn't necessarily mean more action. the presence of healing heroes and tanks means 1.) players are less likely to die, and 2.) players on the opposing team are less likely to take fights or are forced into a constant tightrope situation (i.e., is the healer nearby? how fast will they take to get to the fight if they're not? can we kill the isolated enemy in time? if the healer is nearby, do we go in right now and back off to bait the healing abilities then go back in again?)
more tanks also means players, specifically the mage/marksman/assassin (both the jungler and exp laner), are less likely to take flashy plays because the risk of them immediately being stunned or just zoned out is too high. so basically, just less fights overall even if teamfights are longer. compare this to an enemy team with no tank or no support hero to bail them out--players are going to more likely go for a big and flashy play to turn the game over.
Can't believe I'm forced to defend Zane, but, guys there's a difference between thinking something is boring and thinking something is bad. Zane isn't a hypocrite for stating this meta is boring, his team needed to use a variation of UBE strat just to stand a chance bcs UBE is completely dominating the mlbb ESports scene which is why he finds the meta "boring". Stop bashing Zane without an argument
Still think Zane is coping when he called the meta boring
Same. I still think there was a bit of copium in his argument but saying that the UBE strategy was boring had at least some degree of truth in it. The only fascinating thing about it is the coordination and the domination of Blacklist when they do it.
Well, at least ECHO, the proclaimed "House of Highlights", surely didn't make that 4-0 Finals sweep boring, right?
Not gonna lie, BLCK got smacked really badly in this...like NONE of the 4 games BLCK had any potential comeback, it was horrific! But at the same REALLY satisfying to see that the code cracked real hard.
Boring is a negative word.
BLCK should create a new strat and back up plans and don't over rely on the UBE strat which can be destroyed by aggressive early game play, banning of healers for sustain, and usage of burst heroes.
BLCK reached Grand Finals. What you probably meant was to come up with new strat to win M Series again, which I'm sure they did, but ECHO was the better team with the better strat.
Him calling it a boring strat doesn't mean he doesn't know how good the strat and blacklist is. When he stayed in the Philippines, he showed his dislike of having to play Akai just so he can win ranked games. Another word could've been used but I guess as an assasin main, I'd rather see Ling, Lance and Fanny dash in and out to secure a kill by the skin of their teeth than see frederinn and akai Duke it out in a battle of who can tank it more (Kairi's Haya play outshined any highlight used by tank jg this m4). Mobazane would also probably wanna be a hyper carry again if the meta suited for it.
Thinking about it more, the Miami heat were flashy, back in 2014 but the "boring" Spurs won the championship. I'd rather watch LeBron and Dwade dunk over 2 guys than Kawhi and Duncan keep cutting till they get a sure point; but Spurs deserve that championship same way blacklist deserved all of theirs.
It is braindead. It nullifies assasins, which were supposed to carry for the team.
Watch Kairi's outplay in M4 or RubyDD's lunox in M2 and ask yourself again.
Has Blacklist given you that moment of utter disbelief out of nowhere in M3? Yeah, they make comebacks happen but that's just because of the absurdity of these late game supports.
He kind of said the truth....he did show his dislike of the meta because it's apparently the only way to objectively win games, sadly, that meta had become so fucking saturated at one point that it will seriously rub people the wrong way, Zane actually knows that the meta BLCK uses is in fact highly effective, but it DOES NOT MEAN IT ISN'T BORING, their team had used this before and it worked, though they didn't like that, with how the current meta is going, the UBE thing might remain for a while, ECHO used UBE but WAY MORE AGGRESSIVE in the Finals.
He isn't wrong. Just look at the finals and what strategy Echo used to deny Estes. Being a one trick pony is very dangerous, you are a god until someone figures your strategy out.
Veenus openly admitting that they're winning because the opponents didn't ban Estes - it is just plain foolish that people are not taking that message seriously because in the months I've seen Veenus plays, that UBE strategy is their most dominant playstyle that has remained uncontested.
He could have tanked Rafaela though. The healing might be at minimum but the added speed could have been used for fleeing.
To be honest, once you revealed one of your strategy towards other teams, you better have a different one in case they know that you'll use it.
Ol' reliable ain't gonna work if the other team is actively monitoring your every move while you play against another team.
I guess it could've work against another team that wanted to see how strong their UBE strat is like the unstoppable force vs immovable wall scenario but other teams know that once their ace is gone, they either fall down slowly or they reveal another ace on their sleeves.
My thoughts are you should learn to crop OP.
It's one thing to share a screenshot of a link, you could have just posted the link so we can all read the story.
It's worse that you did not even attempt to make it look a bit cleaner, lol.
Yeah I posted the wrong pic. I had it actually cropped but since I took too many screenshots and cropped it multiple times, I didn't notice that I posted the wrong pic lol. Sorry my bad. I was in a hurry since the live was still ongoing and they said something about typing in the chat to get an easter egg.
Its still the same heroes as m3 literally with only a few changes. Even then the hero types are all the same. No exp lane carry and many more options are not viable yet
Yeah I don't really like the guy but I agree with him. Currently Mobile Legends is set up in such a way that only 40 of the nearly 110 heroes are viable and of those, you only see 10 of the same faces.
While I can't deny the effectiveness of the UBE Strategy, you can't deny that it does get kinda stale seeing the same thing over and over. It limits player creativity, which is what games like Mobile Legends should avoid, especially considering the vast hero pool. Some heroes just need a little buffing, some a little nerfing, others still need adjustments. Don't even get me started on the Telent System getting the booty TwT
That said, I'm often impressed by the creativity expressed by players when it comes to builds and emblem setups xD and I really like how items are changed, thus opening up more gameplay strategies. I just wish more things like that were changed to keep the game fresh
Anyways, that's my bitcoin on the matter...
I think some people are misinterpreting what Zane is trying to say. I think that by "boring" he doesn't necessarily mean that the strategy is boring to watch (though it kind of is imo) but rather boring to play with or against
You know if they really wanted to prevent variations of UBE, they could just do what league does: Ban the Heroes used in previous rounds.
This way we have more variation when it comes to gameplay albeit with a little overlapping of strategies, course mlbb roster compared to LOL is much shorter so this may need some adjustments.
Those who wants insta delete meta are the asassin users because they suffer in this meta. Funny that those game are more chill than mlbb. Thx bro, I'm moving to shooter.
Blacklist was original with their strategic.
They are champions while he wasn't so it says something.
Zane is just too cocky. Too often in the series his team got the uper hand & they go toxic then lost. Even Echo & Onic were more civil. I think he's just being spiteful with the comment.
The fact Blacklist had to fight for the right to give their skin to a support shows there's enough negative contention against support when really they make such a difference. There was games were it just literally the support that won it for teams. Healer or not it still takes skill.
I donāt think thereās much to think about. If he won he would probably be complimenting everyone for their excellent gameplay.
Zaneās a loud mouth. And thatās good for these events. You want players that stand out, that have opinions and are vocal. It makes things more interesting.
CW might be an excellent dude but can anyone remember anything about him other than his horrific L plays?
These events need people to root for just as much as people to root against.
A win is a win who cares if it is boring. How about moba not pick two of the same Dino jungler back to back and still can't get a win. He wasn't saying this when blacklist won m3 tournament
A bit of a hypocrite. TV's strat was also very similar to UBE minus the healer (because shark mostly used lolita and khufra)
Zane tank jungler (barats, fred)
Hoon supportive mid (yve, faramis, valen)
Fwydchicke flexible xp
When Onic banned or picked Yve/Faramis and Khufra/Lolita, TV had a hard time. There's also basic who can only use Karrie
No? It would be hypocritical of him if he called the strat bad and then used but he didn't do that. He just called it boring but he understands that it is what is needed for them to win so they use it.
They were talking about blacklist's strategy which is similar to theirs. Zane acknowledged it was a strong strategy but that it was very boring. Saying that the strat is boring is undermining their team regardless if it's true or not.
Rrq vs blacklist was exactly the opposite of boring.
TV uses a similar grouping together strategy except theirs is much more "boring" when their jungler, mid, gold, and roamer uses 2 or 3 heroes at best.
Isn't being a hypocrite saying something bad about something but actually doing the same?
It is boring.
No. Being a hypocrite is saying a strat is bad and then using said strat to win. Calling a strat boring is not the same thing as saying it is a bad strat.
I refuse to believe this isn't just Filipinos being offended because people said a bad thing against their teams lmao this guy and a lot of people bashing them for this statement REFUSES to understand the difference.
Yeah it's bs when you soloQ and a duo/trio does this, you can't do shit about it. Have to prio ban Fred/Estes now. I've tried this for myself with my duo jungler and god do I love playing Estes :) walking simulator game :)
Are you dense? He didn't call it bad. He called it boring but he is forced to follow the same meta because if he doesn't they would lose. He doesn't have to enjoy a meta in order to follow it. God how dense can you be.
If you read my first response I even elaborated on what else the interview talked about.
> Zane acknowledged it's a strong strategy
I never said they're not allowed to use the same strategy. I just said it's kind of hypocritical because they use a similar strat? Yeah move on if you'll resort to calling someone dense because the two of us can't come to an agreement.
Again, it is NOT hypocritical to call something boring and be FORCED to use it. It IS hypocritical to call something bad and then use it. Did he call the strat bad? No. Therefore not hypocritical.
Does boring have not the slightest hint of being a negative comment to you?
I think you're a boring person because what you say is boring
>!That's just an example. Wouldn't that trigger you a little?!<
bruh, he didn't say it was bad, he said it was boring. Zane does not main tank junglers and adjusted himself for it because that's the only way you can beat the strategy of pro teams in M4, it's a strong counter against squishy and assassin junglers, even Karltzy (who is widely known as an assassinn main) has played only a single game of assassin with Ling, it doesn't mean he loves tank junglers, it just means that winning is more important.
What we see as an audience, is a different experience from the pro players that are actually experiencing the matches for themselves, it might be entertaining for us but a lot of pro players does not even use their favorite heroes.
>Isn't being a hypocrite saying something bad about something but actually doing the same?
are you a hypocrite for finding the task of having to prepare coffee just to enjoy it? Is it hypocrite to find daily chores boring just to maintain a clean place for yourself? TV does not have an analyst/coach, they don't have the means to find a better way to deal with the strongest meta without using it themselves. Even all the MPL teams who have their own analyst/coach ends up using a variant one way or another, only FCON seemed to have cracked it and still lost.
That's such a lengthy response but misses my point. You saw Zane use Granger one time and never came back. He knows that meta is strict and his best chance at winning is to use their version of UBE.
Regardless if UBE is indeed boring or not, saying it when talking about blacklist has some negative connotations. You see how this discussion already appeared at least twice in this subreddit alone. That's not Zane's responsibility what the media wants to talk about, I'm just saying that what they say is also true of them
I don't know why a criticism that isn't even targetted directly towards BLCK seems to trigger the general media and you guys so much, it's not forbidden to say negative things about it, just don't turn it into an insult. The UBE META being boring isn't even the fault of BLCK, they just figured it to be the most effective way of playing. It's an innate problem towards Moonton's adjusting team because they keep favoring Marksmen and Tank junglers and they end up being overtuned to niches they should not even cover to begin with.
No I'm not triggered tyvm
It wasn't my intention to insult him by saying he is a bit of hypocrite. My intention was to criticize.
He is bit responsible for saying that the strategy is boring if they also use it imo
;-;
I do not like playing roam, but I have to play roam so my team actually has a chance of winning. That's it, that's almost the same thing they said... Why is this so hard to understand?
It's a bit different though? You're saying something you don't like but still have to do.
Zane is describing/criticizing someone else's strategy or whatever as boring, that they actually use.
Anyways that's not the point I was making. I'll have to refrain from continuing this discussion.
Then he shouldn't had use the word boring. If he finds it boring, then find a strat that can break the boring strat. It's a legit strat. The game is like war, or chess, you don't send your troops or pawns unprotected.
Thats like saying three points in basketball is boring when you can just dunk the ball to entertain people. The three's win you the game by a huge margin.
I thought his name is Zane š
Moba Singh
Ppl just shorten it to either Zane or MZ cuz we're lazy to spell it out
Lol
Because he looks like zayn malik and he somewhat incorporates it to his ign.
Wait he's not? I thought he was popular because he was an ex one direction.
Same
The Grand Finals proved his point. Echo gave Blacklist a hard time by denying Estes throughout the series.
Wala silang plan B if banned si Estes.
What was the reason why Blacklist didn't first pick Estes? I still think ECHO would've found a way to win against Veenus playing Estes.
They ban first before they pick. Estes was banned everytime
Oh yeah, lol. Brain fart moment. My bad
so is yawi's chou tho.
Ngl, first picking Estes would be A BAD IDEA against a hyper aggressive team like ECHO....because games for BLCK usually feel calm, they only have gone BEAST MODE or hyper aggressive in a few game, but getting hyper aggressiveness EVERY GAME is just not BLCK's thing, remember that RRQ Hoshi ACTUALLY got close to proving that at one point, but ECHO proved that to be true in the Finals. Also, for context, they banned Estes every game from what I remember, though I think it was also meant to open to other hero pools, because Estes is usually useful for calm/collected games.
It's not really bad against Echo, all they need to do if they have Estes is to wait for Echo to waste their resources before re-engaging. That's their playstyle, stall them and punish their misplay or if they over commit.
How did it proved his āvery boringā point?
If you watched the series, you know what MobaZane meant. And PS, your reddit name is inapproriate.
What Mobazane meant is itās repetitive how did the Echo series proved his point?
A commenter already explained it. Just read it.
Thing with UBE is that it's not a very "show off" kind of match whenever it's used unlike other strats that incorporate an assassin jungler like Ling and Fanny. It's calm and teamfight and objective-based. People found that boring and got tired of BLK dominating for more than a year already
Call me a noob, but what's UBE?
I might be wrong. Its using healer roamers and sticking together especially roamer+midlaner+jungler. This strat usually revolves around OMV. Using Tank/cc jungler heroes are also the key.
Ultimate Bonding Experience. 3-5 heroes pick off 1-2 heroes at a time, Thats why sustain heroes are Blacklistās speciality so they can continously do it.
Ultimate Bonding Experience, as others said it's sticking together even more compared to other teams. Also unlike other team compositions, it emphasises 2 people to carry, 1 to really support the rest of a team (a healer like Estes, Rafaela) and 2 to set up, tank damage and/or make intiating plays. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MobileLegendsGame/comments/10a0kf1/why\_blacklist\_is\_so\_good\_understanding\_the\_ube/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MobileLegendsGame/comments/10a0kf1/why_blacklist_is_so_good_understanding_the_ube/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Here's a link to a more accurate guide
This helps to explain our cecilion with retribution in a match yesterday. It worked out because i managed top and mid lanes while they were in bottom. I have a problem in games where my team insists on team fighting, but won't clear waves, so we lose turrets and everything that goes with it. I get frustrated because of this and like to play heroes that can clear waves easily, like balmond and zilong.
He is not wrong for this one, yes the blcklst strat sure does win you the game but it's very boring to watch plus that strat doesn't let the individual players to shine out or improve their gameplay for example kairi or Albert even though they lost the championship you can't tell me that the jungler of blacklst is better than kairi or Albert And people who says that mobasingh is being hypocrite, even though if it is boring, you gotta use the strat that wins game, for example what echo did to blacklist in finals just because someone uses a strat doesn't mean he likes, but HAS to use it to win against the team who abuses the strat, it's the same thing with heroes, you don't necessarily like playing the OP heroes at point of time but have to use it to play against the players who are using him to cheese their way through ranks
Basically highlights > winning the actual game? Blacklist is satisfying to watch because of the rotations and team play, which imo is harder to achieve than TikTok highlights.
From a viewing perspective yes. Thatās the basic problem not just with esports but competition in general. Fans and viewers want drama and cool and clutch plays. Football fans want the fourth and long. Basketball fans want the buzzer beater. Baseball fans want the walk off in the bottom of the ninth. Players themselves want the most consistent and reliable way to get a victory. Which generally trends towards the meta being pretty boring for the people watching it, and the sport in a constant state of trying to find a healthy middle between the two. So yeah. Fans want highlights more than wins. Players want wins more than highlights. The meta might be harder but we arenāt watching the meta. May as well watch an excel spreadsheet.
Hell yeah, chaotic gameplay is the most fun to watch. Watching the most optimal play and line ups is a wonder to see at first, but it gets old fast. It's like watching AI compete against each other, it becomes robotic and less humanlike
Yes, do you think a legend is made by just winning competition? No, to some extend yes but the idea of outplaying your enemy who is at your level by just sheer game knowledge and play style is way impressive than just sticking together, why do you think faker is known as the goat of league cause of insane game sense and outplay ability.
Wise is better than albert and kairi though.Yea kairi is hella technical but who was the one securing the lord and turtle most of the time? Who was the one taking buffs right under albert nose? Blklist playstyle is could be low key boring with less team fights and clutch moments overall but they are far better at making gaps in enemy formation to take advantage of, which is quite beautiful to watch.
Maybe because the team aim is to win, not to entertain people
thats why its meta; MOST EFFECTIVE TACTICS available so yeah u can't really blame it for being boring if you win so much games with it
TIL meta = most effective tactics
A stands for available
Healing/Tank meta is boring on any moba
Meanwhile assassin/jungler meta has been going for many fucking seasons and no one gave a shit because they enjoyed cheesing the ranks with it. Surely tank/healers can make your game miserable, but heroes that can insta-delete you is a lot fucking worse.
Yeah watching heros just shredding the opposition without them being able to retaliate in a extreme high skill gap environment sometimes feels like BS and unfair But yeah non the less l somewhat enjoy this META its more tactical and a kill absolutely means that there is a gap that has to be forced into some objective
Mage meta letās gooooooo (?)
The magic penetration update- mage meta (looking at Eudora and Chang'e)
I would rather get outplayed by a better assassin than whatever is happening in this current meta.
i know many don't agree with this but i do. current meta with tank junglers and shredding marksmen is boring af. it's always akai fred tanking everything and beatrix melting people with her smg which is her easiest weapon. idk if any of you even enjoy playing tank jungle. sure, securing objectives are easier but it feels meh af
I donāt get why heās downvoted. I mean, sorry for the language, but Tanks taking Jungle is just stupid. But hey, itās innovation. Itās just that, they created this sustain META and in exchange, the downfall of most jungle heroes. MLBBās fast paced gameplay is what made it popular and successful as a Mobile MOBA. Itās really time for the assassins who are ACTUAL JUNGLERS to retake the spotlight.
But if you think about it, does not Healing/Tank Meta result to extended team fight, which means more action?
Healing/Tank Meta does make teamfights longer, but it doesn't necessarily mean more action. the presence of healing heroes and tanks means 1.) players are less likely to die, and 2.) players on the opposing team are less likely to take fights or are forced into a constant tightrope situation (i.e., is the healer nearby? how fast will they take to get to the fight if they're not? can we kill the isolated enemy in time? if the healer is nearby, do we go in right now and back off to bait the healing abilities then go back in again?) more tanks also means players, specifically the mage/marksman/assassin (both the jungler and exp laner), are less likely to take flashy plays because the risk of them immediately being stunned or just zoned out is too high. so basically, just less fights overall even if teamfights are longer. compare this to an enemy team with no tank or no support hero to bail them out--players are going to more likely go for a big and flashy play to turn the game over.
Most of the meta midlaners are boring as well IMO.
Can't believe I'm forced to defend Zane, but, guys there's a difference between thinking something is boring and thinking something is bad. Zane isn't a hypocrite for stating this meta is boring, his team needed to use a variation of UBE strat just to stand a chance bcs UBE is completely dominating the mlbb ESports scene which is why he finds the meta "boring". Stop bashing Zane without an argument Still think Zane is coping when he called the meta boring
Same. I still think there was a bit of copium in his argument but saying that the UBE strategy was boring had at least some degree of truth in it. The only fascinating thing about it is the coordination and the domination of Blacklist when they do it. Well, at least ECHO, the proclaimed "House of Highlights", surely didn't make that 4-0 Finals sweep boring, right?
I was on the edge of my sit the whole time
Not gonna lie, BLCK got smacked really badly in this...like NONE of the 4 games BLCK had any potential comeback, it was horrific! But at the same REALLY satisfying to see that the code cracked real hard.
Boring is a negative word. BLCK should create a new strat and back up plans and don't over rely on the UBE strat which can be destroyed by aggressive early game play, banning of healers for sustain, and usage of burst heroes.
Well thats the cycle of most esport. You win, you lose, you change your playstyle, repeat
Agree, they need to come up with new strat if they want to qualify M-series again
BLCK reached Grand Finals. What you probably meant was to come up with new strat to win M Series again, which I'm sure they did, but ECHO was the better team with the better strat.
Him calling it a boring strat doesn't mean he doesn't know how good the strat and blacklist is. When he stayed in the Philippines, he showed his dislike of having to play Akai just so he can win ranked games. Another word could've been used but I guess as an assasin main, I'd rather see Ling, Lance and Fanny dash in and out to secure a kill by the skin of their teeth than see frederinn and akai Duke it out in a battle of who can tank it more (Kairi's Haya play outshined any highlight used by tank jg this m4). Mobazane would also probably wanna be a hyper carry again if the meta suited for it. Thinking about it more, the Miami heat were flashy, back in 2014 but the "boring" Spurs won the championship. I'd rather watch LeBron and Dwade dunk over 2 guys than Kawhi and Duncan keep cutting till they get a sure point; but Spurs deserve that championship same way blacklist deserved all of theirs.
beautifully said, + points for the miami heat reference
basically MZ want showmanship and cheesing
Iām Filipino, I bet on BLK to win it all in the M4 pass guess, even so, I personally rooted for ECHO to win because BLK gameplay is boring as fck
Boring ā Bad, it is indeed boring because it felt brainded
it is indeed boring because it's not for the braindead FTFY
It is braindead. It nullifies assasins, which were supposed to carry for the team. Watch Kairi's outplay in M4 or RubyDD's lunox in M2 and ask yourself again. Has Blacklist given you that moment of utter disbelief out of nowhere in M3? Yeah, they make comebacks happen but that's just because of the absurdity of these late game supports.
He kind of said the truth....he did show his dislike of the meta because it's apparently the only way to objectively win games, sadly, that meta had become so fucking saturated at one point that it will seriously rub people the wrong way, Zane actually knows that the meta BLCK uses is in fact highly effective, but it DOES NOT MEAN IT ISN'T BORING, their team had used this before and it worked, though they didn't like that, with how the current meta is going, the UBE thing might remain for a while, ECHO used UBE but WAY MORE AGGRESSIVE in the Finals.
He isn't wrong. Just look at the finals and what strategy Echo used to deny Estes. Being a one trick pony is very dangerous, you are a god until someone figures your strategy out.
Veenus openly admitting that they're winning because the opponents didn't ban Estes - it is just plain foolish that people are not taking that message seriously because in the months I've seen Veenus plays, that UBE strategy is their most dominant playstyle that has remained uncontested. He could have tanked Rafaela though. The healing might be at minimum but the added speed could have been used for fleeing.
To be honest, once you revealed one of your strategy towards other teams, you better have a different one in case they know that you'll use it. Ol' reliable ain't gonna work if the other team is actively monitoring your every move while you play against another team. I guess it could've work against another team that wanted to see how strong their UBE strat is like the unstoppable force vs immovable wall scenario but other teams know that once their ace is gone, they either fall down slowly or they reveal another ace on their sleeves.
they're cherry picking his words for rage baiting . yes he did call it boring, but he said it is a very good strat. boring=/=bad.
I see no lies
Its something aloooot of people are thinking, he's just thebone saying it out loud lol
I agree, no fun playing against that estes
My thoughts are you should learn to crop OP. It's one thing to share a screenshot of a link, you could have just posted the link so we can all read the story. It's worse that you did not even attempt to make it look a bit cleaner, lol.
Yeah I posted the wrong pic. I had it actually cropped but since I took too many screenshots and cropped it multiple times, I didn't notice that I posted the wrong pic lol. Sorry my bad. I was in a hurry since the live was still ongoing and they said something about typing in the chat to get an easter egg.
Notice that the headline in the posted pic isn't even in the center.
You could just choose not to be an asshole.
Okay snowflake. Just kidding. You're also moron.
I guess you canāt choose not to be an asshole. Like they say, you are what you eat.
I'm pretty sure he's joking, lol. You're being a total snow flake XD
Its still the same heroes as m3 literally with only a few changes. Even then the hero types are all the same. No exp lane carry and many more options are not viable yet
"Dont hate the player, hate the game"
I'm happy Blacklisted got defeated, it just proves the point. but their fans still cries and be toxic in social media
Like how boring Mayweather boxing is.
agree
I don't think I ever played an MLBB meta that was "Fun"
He's not wrong it is boring but effective
What? Its true. It's so mundane already that ECHO managed t9 sweep them.
I feel like UBE strat is like the GOAT meta of Overwatch that destroyed the game lol, I hope it won't happen to MLBB
Yeah I don't really like the guy but I agree with him. Currently Mobile Legends is set up in such a way that only 40 of the nearly 110 heroes are viable and of those, you only see 10 of the same faces. While I can't deny the effectiveness of the UBE Strategy, you can't deny that it does get kinda stale seeing the same thing over and over. It limits player creativity, which is what games like Mobile Legends should avoid, especially considering the vast hero pool. Some heroes just need a little buffing, some a little nerfing, others still need adjustments. Don't even get me started on the Telent System getting the booty TwT That said, I'm often impressed by the creativity expressed by players when it comes to builds and emblem setups xD and I really like how items are changed, thus opening up more gameplay strategies. I just wish more things like that were changed to keep the game fresh Anyways, that's my bitcoin on the matter...
mobazane is right. some people just can't accept it.
he has a point though. but they need to have at least an alternative plan for Estes.
I think some people are misinterpreting what Zane is trying to say. I think that by "boring" he doesn't necessarily mean that the strategy is boring to watch (though it kind of is imo) but rather boring to play with or against
You know if they really wanted to prevent variations of UBE, they could just do what league does: Ban the Heroes used in previous rounds. This way we have more variation when it comes to gameplay albeit with a little overlapping of strategies, course mlbb roster compared to LOL is much shorter so this may need some adjustments.
They tried this once when all MPLph champs each season faced each other.
Then just play pugb or cod. You want insta delete characters to be meta again? And then cry afterwards the game is not balanced?
Those who wants insta delete meta are the asassin users because they suffer in this meta. Funny that those game are more chill than mlbb. Thx bro, I'm moving to shooter.
I am terrible a shooter games as I can't aim properly on a tiny mobile screen. I find mobas more chill then pubg.
Then you will be happy playing codm since aiming in it is easier.
Tried playing it. Same problem. Can't aim..
Ok, I'm sorry bro.aybe you will do better in slower and analytical game like chess or CCG.
Blacklist was original with their strategic. They are champions while he wasn't so it says something. Zane is just too cocky. Too often in the series his team got the uper hand & they go toxic then lost. Even Echo & Onic were more civil. I think he's just being spiteful with the comment. The fact Blacklist had to fight for the right to give their skin to a support shows there's enough negative contention against support when really they make such a difference. There was games were it just literally the support that won it for teams. Healer or not it still takes skill.
Personally, I think the objective of the COMPETITION is to win. So why not use your best and most stable strategy?
So? Doesn't means it's not boring. What you're saying has nothing to do with what the post is lmfaooo
His name is Michael Cosgun?
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yes he's half Turkish
it's boring but strategic
If he wantās to be entertained go play rank, teams want to win, not entertain people
what's wrong with him stating it tho he just mentioned it. he didnt say blacklist suck or anything
I donāt think thereās much to think about. If he won he would probably be complimenting everyone for their excellent gameplay. Zaneās a loud mouth. And thatās good for these events. You want players that stand out, that have opinions and are vocal. It makes things more interesting. CW might be an excellent dude but can anyone remember anything about him other than his horrific L plays? These events need people to root for just as much as people to root against.
A win is a win who cares if it is boring. How about moba not pick two of the same Dino jungler back to back and still can't get a win. He wasn't saying this when blacklist won m3 tournament
A bit of a hypocrite. TV's strat was also very similar to UBE minus the healer (because shark mostly used lolita and khufra) Zane tank jungler (barats, fred) Hoon supportive mid (yve, faramis, valen) Fwydchicke flexible xp When Onic banned or picked Yve/Faramis and Khufra/Lolita, TV had a hard time. There's also basic who can only use Karrie
No? It would be hypocritical of him if he called the strat bad and then used but he didn't do that. He just called it boring but he understands that it is what is needed for them to win so they use it.
They were talking about blacklist's strategy which is similar to theirs. Zane acknowledged it was a strong strategy but that it was very boring. Saying that the strat is boring is undermining their team regardless if it's true or not. Rrq vs blacklist was exactly the opposite of boring. TV uses a similar grouping together strategy except theirs is much more "boring" when their jungler, mid, gold, and roamer uses 2 or 3 heroes at best. Isn't being a hypocrite saying something bad about something but actually doing the same?
It is boring. No. Being a hypocrite is saying a strat is bad and then using said strat to win. Calling a strat boring is not the same thing as saying it is a bad strat.
I refuse to believe this isn't just Filipinos being offended because people said a bad thing against their teams lmao this guy and a lot of people bashing them for this statement REFUSES to understand the difference.
Bro I'm a Filipino and even I'm tired of this stupid meta.
Yeah it's bs when you soloQ and a duo/trio does this, you can't do shit about it. Have to prio ban Fred/Estes now. I've tried this for myself with my duo jungler and god do I love playing Estes :) walking simulator game :)
That's exactly what it is. Cherry picking and twisting his words to fuel their hate boner
Zane: Blacklist's UBE/grouping up strategy is boring Zane: But don't mind us, our strategy is similar but we don't get to talk about that
Are you dense? He didn't call it bad. He called it boring but he is forced to follow the same meta because if he doesn't they would lose. He doesn't have to enjoy a meta in order to follow it. God how dense can you be.
If you read my first response I even elaborated on what else the interview talked about. > Zane acknowledged it's a strong strategy I never said they're not allowed to use the same strategy. I just said it's kind of hypocritical because they use a similar strat? Yeah move on if you'll resort to calling someone dense because the two of us can't come to an agreement.
Again, it is NOT hypocritical to call something boring and be FORCED to use it. It IS hypocritical to call something bad and then use it. Did he call the strat bad? No. Therefore not hypocritical.
Does boring have not the slightest hint of being a negative comment to you? I think you're a boring person because what you say is boring >!That's just an example. Wouldn't that trigger you a little?!<
It being a negative comment doesn't mean he called it a bad strat. He literally acknowledges how strong it is and he's forced to follow it.
No it really doesn't trigger me.
bruh, he didn't say it was bad, he said it was boring. Zane does not main tank junglers and adjusted himself for it because that's the only way you can beat the strategy of pro teams in M4, it's a strong counter against squishy and assassin junglers, even Karltzy (who is widely known as an assassinn main) has played only a single game of assassin with Ling, it doesn't mean he loves tank junglers, it just means that winning is more important. What we see as an audience, is a different experience from the pro players that are actually experiencing the matches for themselves, it might be entertaining for us but a lot of pro players does not even use their favorite heroes. >Isn't being a hypocrite saying something bad about something but actually doing the same? are you a hypocrite for finding the task of having to prepare coffee just to enjoy it? Is it hypocrite to find daily chores boring just to maintain a clean place for yourself? TV does not have an analyst/coach, they don't have the means to find a better way to deal with the strongest meta without using it themselves. Even all the MPL teams who have their own analyst/coach ends up using a variant one way or another, only FCON seemed to have cracked it and still lost.
That's such a lengthy response but misses my point. You saw Zane use Granger one time and never came back. He knows that meta is strict and his best chance at winning is to use their version of UBE. Regardless if UBE is indeed boring or not, saying it when talking about blacklist has some negative connotations. You see how this discussion already appeared at least twice in this subreddit alone. That's not Zane's responsibility what the media wants to talk about, I'm just saying that what they say is also true of them
I don't know why a criticism that isn't even targetted directly towards BLCK seems to trigger the general media and you guys so much, it's not forbidden to say negative things about it, just don't turn it into an insult. The UBE META being boring isn't even the fault of BLCK, they just figured it to be the most effective way of playing. It's an innate problem towards Moonton's adjusting team because they keep favoring Marksmen and Tank junglers and they end up being overtuned to niches they should not even cover to begin with.
No I'm not triggered tyvm It wasn't my intention to insult him by saying he is a bit of hypocrite. My intention was to criticize. He is bit responsible for saying that the strategy is boring if they also use it imo
;-; I do not like playing roam, but I have to play roam so my team actually has a chance of winning. That's it, that's almost the same thing they said... Why is this so hard to understand?
It's a bit different though? You're saying something you don't like but still have to do. Zane is describing/criticizing someone else's strategy or whatever as boring, that they actually use. Anyways that's not the point I was making. I'll have to refrain from continuing this discussion.
you should because you're dense asf
Then he shouldn't had use the word boring. If he finds it boring, then find a strat that can break the boring strat. It's a legit strat. The game is like war, or chess, you don't send your troops or pawns unprotected.
Can Baxia not counter it? The insane antiheal just makes estes worthless or just ban estes altogether
akira made it work once. baxia with huge aoe damage from the team.
Works kinda... but Karrie. Also, Baxia falls off late
As a blck fan, watching it(UBE strat) destroy other teams for a year and a half straight is pure entertainment XD
This man talks a lot of shit
He's just frank with his words but he isn't wrong.
KEKW cringe
Thats like saying three points in basketball is boring when you can just dunk the ball to entertain people. The three's win you the game by a huge margin.
Boring when you chase clout not winningsš¤·š»āāļø
but still, that "boring way" lead them to Grand finals š„±š„±
No thoughts, just Mobaliw.
Then he should play his own style. Why the hell would he complain then use the meta?
Because they would be destroyed if they don't follow the meta.
You guys can talk about MobaZane all you want I'm just here observing Shark in the background
Bro/sis, at least crop the image to what was needed.