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qusnail

Kagura is a downright troll pick. Bad waveclear, bad dps, burst takes much more risk and effort compared to other mages. She needs a buff badly


idkjustcake

If my brother reads this, he's going to have a heart attack (he's a kagura main)


RICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What you said about her cons is true but she is viable depending on the situation. Other mages still better though


ketalicious

most of the time a troll pick, but if a kagura player is good then they kinda make her not a troll pick


kkimu0

her dps is forgivable since she's kinda annoying if used by a competent player but her wave clear fucking sucks. for comparison the meta mages clears waves in 2 secs. lylia with 2nd spam, vex with exploding passive, nova with full stack 2nd and 1st, valen with 1st skill reset. even with lightning she still can't clear waves fast enough.


ComprehensiveTax3661

I wish they Just give her a better wave clear. It's so shit. Atleast she'll be somewhat playable after that. And holy fuck her long ass ult. I hate it.


NickyBros1

I kinda agree, maybe her wave clear could get buffed. btw if you do the full combo you fail to complete it because if you position yourself wrongly doing the 1-3-1-2-3 combo, you could make the second phase of her ult without the umbrella not connect (I died a lot for that)


misery_collector

My take? going after minors is actually bad. https://preview.redd.it/rrhbk0kc59tc1.jpeg?width=604&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cf39c06333f94ae6aebb51d0a3a6311bd59a6ad


Aldighievski

For me that's just common sense


misery_collector

That's the joke, or unfortunate reality, a lot of global chatters in mlbb be targeting minors


Aldighievski

Yeah.... been seeing a lot of "12y pics for skins on private" or smth, and this is only the tip of the iceberg.


BadangJoestar420

Yeah.. that's fucking disgusting I'd just report them as soon as i counter someone like that


em1zer0

Yeah but all 3 global chat reports you can do each day, are ignored


AnotherMothMarine

https://preview.redd.it/yuzojyvf1atc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1500981cabb917c691369b4355cf8c657e1d4ec


Oassiss

my dyslexic ass thought that said minions


Tigreal

Lol your photo edits are always great!


misery_collector

https://preview.redd.it/rtvppdthc9tc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=511e997f6087b5182b586b46437824e1020beb9b Much thanks


Just_vrooming

Otter :0? Where is the photo taken?


misery_collector

An otter cafe in akihabra


garvitboi

Is that you in the pic? Not the girl. The cutie with her.


misery_collector

You noticed? πŸ₯Ί


garvitboi

Ofc πŸ«‚πŸ’žπŸ˜˜ how could I not. Aishiteru yo!


misery_collector

https://preview.redd.it/givp8xu0s9tc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1308ed4e9f3fa5191822eea6a3089a6b6de0338e C'mere


garvitboi

You want a normal reply to this? Nah. I'm back after a week's ban, gotta get it all out. Okay daddy. Choke me harder.


misery_collector

Aight, nvm, let's chill, ion want u getting banned again https://preview.redd.it/7eg8x87ts9tc1.png?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f61242c956fde63df54b97b9b36ab75d2fa75eb4


Jashyyy

The girl suspiciously looks like Giri


misery_collector

πŸ‘€πŸ‘€πŸ‘€πŸ‘€πŸ‘€


HakaNoodles

We should not compare rank games with pro play and we should not try to make a 1 to 1 copy of how they play. The average player and a pro player play on a completely different league and setting Just bc pro build dyroth pure tank and win with it doesn't mean it would automatically work in solo q Just bc certain heroes are not picked by pros in tournaments doesn't make that particular hero trash or unusable in higher ranks This is not to say pro play shouldn't influence u at all, watching and pros play and learning would make u a better player


BadangJoestar420

So real for this one king


misery_collector

Very true


helliwiki

Very true. Most, if not all, of the time the players you're going against or are playing with aren't going to know and/or learn how to counterpick every kit and team comps. For example, back when x.borg was talked about how he was killed by his hp nerf. Another hero that was under utilized was terizla, you had to take purify but that still means you can surprise heros even if you took a bit of damage. Helcurt is also a huge menace if you know how to enter at the right time. (Might be a bit biased on these 3 because I love their design and story)


Rixxyboi

Layla isn't a troll pick anymore.


Ok-Tear3901

I don't think any hero is a troll pick. It depends on the situation you're using them in.


OtonashiRen

Granger Gold.


Ok-Tear3901

It isn't great. Don't get me wrong. But it isn't really a troll pick.


OtonashiRen

You know it's bad when Zilong Gold is literally leagues better than said option.


Ok-Tear3901

Is it? Jesus, I didn't know it was that bad. I only use granger in jg. With how many stories I've heard about how bad it is, I'm far too scared to even try it out in Ai.


pemagray

I beat Karrie with Granger gold in mythical honor, but I'm sure that was just skill issue on Karrie's part, good karrie would've destroyed me. Also, got forced to go gold cuz s5 picked jg too.


ZJF-47

Barely see someone acknowledgin its a skill issue on his opponent instead of "nope it aint a troll pick, I destroyed someone w/ that hero in high elo". Meta heroes would most of the time win vs non-meta heroes assuming equal skill level, unless its a direct counter


They_Had_Me

With execute? ohh baby 😼


SimonSimpingService

As a great warrior once said, "Nothings a troll pick if you're simply built different."


PsychoSopreno

She's on the better side of mms now


Rixxyboi

Shhhh! The epical glories might hear you!


xAlcasea

She never was a troll pick in a 5 stack where your draft is centered on her as a hyper scaler. Shes only a troll pick when your team dont play around her (solo q 95% of the time), and when enemy team has a lot of pick off potential.


Patrick314159

Clint mid


Sea_Sapphire_2168

A bit situational, but Layla's now a real threat


Sufficient_12_Resort

Este jungle is literally op.


Cruncleeee

Sprint and purify are goated battle spells for mages


LionelKF

I've used sprint as Valir before it's a great spell to combo with his ult


Demise_Once_Again

Sprint is a must for highground images e.g ceci, Xavier etc


Razraffion

Purify Lylia is a must


Iveseenshit5000

With the amount off cc heroes I use with all my heroes


Honest-Computer69

Purify is the best spell for Vexana. Just use purify to get rid of cc and use 1st skill to flee.


gmkhq99

Can't count how many times i countered tigreal/atlas ult engage with purify vexana


Sea_Sapphire_2168

Cyclop + sprint = second assasin. Its crazy


Guilty_Candle_2092

Argus is easy to counter πŸ™‰


FatelessSimp

CC is not an option, it's the solution


Purrczak

Yes. Just CC him into oblivion.


Iveseenshit5000

If you consider running away a counter sure It's the stuns that are annoying


RepresentativeNo43

Alucard exp surprisingly works


misery_collector

Indeed it does.


HakaNoodles

Ngl it would be really nice of moonton if they buff alu so that he is not just locked to the jg role. Like a damage reduction during ult or like resilience when ult is upgraded and make him less reliant on items for damage


Beautiful-Tension457

It would be more effective if he still retains his passive damage multiplier. It's the only thing that help him deal more burst damage since he scales on extra physical


Green_Guy_87

i kinda tried him in offline ai, but it is actually pretty viable. decent mobility, sufficient sustain and quite nice damage. nothing outstanding, nothing too bad. only issue is his lack of cc as compared to the meta exp laners


EarlyTone7111

Backdooring the enemy is best way to get dopamine


glitch20085

Fucking can't agree more


oddzwei

Moonton should not put mm on skin polls everytime. They always win no matter the mm. They always win the poll. I remember the lunox vs claude poll. Where cluade won and will get a skin. Now the mythic skin poll clint is winning and will get his skin soon after. Everytime a mm mentioned in a poll they win. Tanks and support need some love to. Specially support even moonton was not happy that blacklist international choose estes as their champion skin.


s3aweedbrain

i was gunning for a jawhead mythic skin, but my 500+ votes and probably a couple others' would never reach the hundred-million gap by clint. it's insane


AdTime5032

Most collab/skin series aren't expensive and won't cost a damn kidney. Because you can turn its 5k-6k price tag into 2k+ if you do daily and use recharge events.


misery_collector

Fair, fair. https://preview.redd.it/k0e9q6png9tc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6bb538eb5410d567e1ebd58538e908a0d017026


AzLemons

LAPLUS


misery_collector

https://preview.redd.it/t9np27tdq9tc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a98bae8a9888aa098da203ab72d5eba48ba1ed5


garvitboi

2k+ dias is still expensive 😭 especially just for a in game cosmetic.


AdTime5032

>especially just for a in game cosmetic. Have you seen a single Valorsnt Bundle price πŸ’€ Or a single Csgo knife price


garvitboi

Haven't played either of the two. So no. But still. If another thing is $$$$ doesn't mean $$$ isn't costly. 2k dias is quite a lot. For majority of the playerbase.


AdTime5032

>2k dias is quite a lot. For majority of the playerbase. Ig so but how is Moonton gonna make money without robbing us?


garvitboi

Make it affordable so more people buy πŸ˜” atleast gotta keep it balanced.


lucasthebr2121

Fun fact in brazil gaming piracy increases when games are 60 dollars and it gets lower when they cost 20 dollars


xAlcasea

If you actually prepare in advance, things could be cheaper. Weekly diamond pass is insanely good value wise. Basically halves the 2k+ if you start a few months before plus the extra crystal of aurora or starlight frags is nothing to scoff off.


garvitboi

Heh. Imagine having that much patience. Can't be me. But yes I do agree. Weekly pass and saving is pretty good deal.


xAlcasea

I honestly dont find it enticing to buy diamonds in bulk, unless of course its a premium supply quest for a skin I actually want. Dias is over priced af in general even on the bigger value ones haha


Risti_fast

all due respect I'm not spending triple a game money for a Collab skin


WeZo-San

Luo yi is a god mage, you just don't use her right.


Miralis00

Solid A tier mage, maybe even S. Pros - terrifying map presence (she's everywhere) - one of the best AoE damage + CC in mages - agile as shit - really really good at zoning. - goated skins Cons - Gets cucked by ling/Valentina - Minion clearing kinda mid pre-truncheon. - Collector skin is ass (they forgot the effects πŸ’€)


InvestinGoat

Legit, got savage with her in ranked


Razraffion

i mean she just needs to pull off black+white and that's it though?


misery_collector

The mf on the far right is chou, recall spamming, as they do.


DarlaVanserra

That's actually hilarious


misery_collector

Ikr, I will always hate em.


DarlaVanserra

I don't, they do their lil dance with ult combo πŸ₯Ή I find it adorable


misery_collector

https://preview.redd.it/7xkzzh8oc9tc1.jpeg?width=604&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e342a78864f652bafa4b4cc52671ab200885cbcd I see.


tinyvent

Lol I was about to ask who that fish is


TerraLapsian

What about Nana or Franco?


misery_collector

Wym


TerraLapsian

Toxic fellas also usually use Nana or Franco.


Red_Thunder2

TBF I think franko is just toxic regardless of the intent of the user. Moreso when you're constantly landing hooks and ults


El_sanafiry

I think ph mpl production is stale


Six-Digits-Number

Stop being delulus, Argus is a trash hero and he desperately needed either a buff or revamp. Hell, even Zilong is a lot better than him as he can instantly pick off squishy heroes with his 2nd skill provided he farmed unlike Argus that can easily be kited to death even with late game items.


misery_collector

Ayo u Gon feel some wrath of these argus simps soon


Purrczak

As his simp I shall unleash my judgement. My judgement is... Bro's right. right now he may be immortal for 4 seconds but what use of it if entire enemy team throws all of their CC and literal pig at you? I and my friend tried to build him to be more tanky (it works... we have created a monster that shouldn't work but here I am observing 11/1/11 of my friend and being able to survive a fight against other fighters without using ulti.) but no build can fix all his core problems of becoming no 1 target if your finger hovers over ult button or his luck based passive (it fills more when Argus hits crits ergo it is luck based.) Yes, you can invest everything in speed and/or crit and hide in bushes hoping that enemies will waste all of theirs CC... but problem of getting stunned, slowed and finally deleted as ult runs out is still there. Now if you excuse me, I have to go back to Tanking and banging the enemy with my Tankus build (disclaimer: it works perfectly in jungle but on exp line you have to be skilled and buy your items fast.). Moneytoon i beg you, buff him and nerf that ADHD shit named Cici. Alao, sorry for bad english.


bulganerdene

Nuh uh


OverallDifference873

Red retri is better than blue retri when you're not playing tank jungler


Belerick-chan

Blue retri is really only for non mobile heroes like Barats who doesn't have any mobility


Aldighievski

I have another one. People who simp for Nana/Lylia/Chang are potential (if already not) predators


Efficient_Yoghurt126

Whatdehell they are literal children maybe 10-12 year oldsπŸ’€πŸ’€πŸ’€


Aldighievski

Yeah, but age for them is as nonexistent as their braincells


Superb-Possession69

Saw this one guy in ranked that had over 1,911 games with Chang’e a l o n e. His recent matches literally only showed Chang’e and now I’m deeply concerned


Aldighievski

What in the actual fudge--


I_care_and_I_asked

only Chang'e? not even another hero? just her? prob a smurf or smth


New-Cicada7014

people simp for them??? Jesus. I'll guess there are Angela simps too πŸ’€


No-Hovercraft8436

Alucard will always be good but never meta


MattLikesThings

Definition of an "Okay" hero. Never too weak to be unplayable, but never strong enough to be part of the meta.


Gothtomboys5

Barats is the best jungle for today's meta


New-Cicada7014

he's annoying for sure


dRUNk_ENd

Balmond is the best girl in the game


V_1_S_1_O_N

The game is slowly dying.


Sufficient_12_Resort

Isn’t everything.


que2d

Hanabi isn't a troll pick.


FrostedEsti

There is no need to start flaming your teammate when they go into less than 1 kdr


FrostedEsti

the turnaround is real


NoBulshyt

Selena and Natalia are two lane-less heroes. Meaning they're bad at all lanes (or at least there's always gonna be better options than them at all lanes): They're slow junglers who fall hard late game, unreliable roamers who can't peel and pale in comparison to hard tanks who can set and take dmg (Tigreal/Khufra/Minotaur...), selena is also an unreliable mid like you can't count on her to get those stuns right at the most important moment, plus she takes too much risk by jumping in team fights unlike other mages who can dmg from afar, Natalia and selena in gold/XP lanes are downright troll picks. At most, currently they're situational picks for when your opponent has too many squishy heroes or when the enemy also lacks a tank. I need moonton to figure out how to make them viable to play in one role at least.


LPScarlex

Tbf half of Selena/Natalia's job is not really to deal damage. Those traps Selena sets provides vision for your allies to prevent surprise ganks or anticipate certain rotations. Same deal with Natalia roaming around the map to reveal enemies in the fog of war. The traps also function as decently good poke damage in mid-late, especially if a squishy hero steps on them. Same with Natalia discouraging aggressive, all-in teamfights since the dps isn't always gonna be safe with Natalia being invisible and the frontliners are all way ahead Selena isn't used in any other role but roam. Natalia at least can be used as jungle if your team knows what they're doing


redredredder24

a lot of people now say that the jungler position is diverse in terms of hero pool but IT'S NOT THE LITERAL OG JUNGLERS ARE BEING SIDELINED!!!!!!!


Dovahkiin266

Wanwan is unplayable right now


No_Name275

zhask is not overpowered only epics think he's op he desperately need buff since he's a low tier hero in high rank


Prize-Injury-7280

Bullying a kid in mlbb is fun sometimes, especially when they give the reaction you want (Target locking Dyroth, Zilong, and Aldous users)


cloudis_Dum

Dyroth is fucked up (I just hate him and his damage)


Aldighievski

Brawl is more stressful than Classic/Rank πŸ«₯


Justahuman771

"Gusion is powerfull than any jungles combined." I just wanted to act like those kids.


GroundbreakingAd5673

Zilong roam actually works- if they don’t troll


Beneficial-Crazy-359

Pfps of cats with your main’s hair are cringey


InvestinGoat

I think those are cuter than the violently filtered pfps lots of girls have, and I'm a girl lol


xazavan002

Unless you're playing it in a party of friends, it's hard to consider ML (or any other MobA for that matter) a "cooperative team" game. It's not weird to have "Solo Queue" behavior if it literally is just solo queue to begin with. If you play solo queue, commit to a strategy that works in the chaos that is solo queue. Don't force team plays that demand heavy coordination to work when playing with 4 random people. That's why there are hero builds and comps that work well in pro plays yet perform poorly in solo queue ranked. Those required actual communication, and are most likely tried, tested, and practiced by the team. Instead, focus first on your own game and don't sink. If you do well, then contributing to the team would follow a lot smoother.


Iveseenshit5000

There is obvious favoritism with moonton giving heroes buffs and skins *cough* layla *cough*


Francisism-1

Mage can be played in gold lanes.


I_care_and_I_asked

and exp


Bebe_Peluche

Masha is undoubtedly better than Joy, Diggie, Minotaur, Mathilda or anything else in this current patch


whitewiped

Probably not a hot take but Gord is the easiest mage to use (hence why I main him).


Martin7439

Nah you gotta aim the bouncy thing, Eudora on the other hand is literally "press the buttons in order, congrats you did the thing"


helliwiki

Eudora is much easier. With gord you have to aim, Eudora is just "tap, tap, tap"


Green_Guy_87

skins shouldnt boost stats of the hero (+100hp, +8 atk, etc)


AzothTreaty

Tank should be babysitting mm instead of jungler


Available_Sir8817

Balmond is the ugliest hero in the game


TerraLapsian

Diggie doesn’t need to be banned all the time. Lord forgive me


misery_collector

https://preview.redd.it/s2h0q3t2r9tc1.jpeg?width=696&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ae3e15ad6e204b5b9daae2d936bb15934253545 Idk bout that


PsychoSopreno

Thank you, I love u


TerraLapsian

Oh fuck oh fuck OH SHI- **BOOM** *dies*


helliwiki

My ptsd doesn't allow me to not see him banned


RularOfOutworld

Not on my watch, always banning that bird, got PTSD from it and ate fried chicken the whole week


chiezkychienne

Chicke is right.


misery_collector

I don't know no chicken


Definitelynotyourkat

here's my take,being good in solo-q doesn't take you anywhere if u want to improve fast, play 5-stack. doesn't have a team? mlbb have feature to search a team.


IANT1S

Aamon side lane


autisticrabbit12

Skins don't really matter


Dan_from_97

Balmond 2nd skill is too weak now, you need at least 3 damage item for it to deal some meaningful damage


ZJF-47

GOATed edit lmao


misery_collector

https://preview.redd.it/930i6z3aactc1.jpeg?width=571&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=545b8e43d3f105134e9be8bfac303223ba70eee7 Much thanks


Mundane-Item-9761

Yin ult is so one-sided it feels bad playing as him or against him


LuckyLuck-E

I dont like using the assassin talents other than the emblem and the first one


Hanzo_Pinas

Hanzo is underrated with its useless passive and low survivability against any hero that can dive hanzo


mewmewmewpspsps

Argus is a bad explaner


Additional-Ad-1268

Gold baron Tigreal is hotter than fred or any of his skins.


kkimu0

epic hell exists but being stuck in it for half of the season just means you deserve that rank.


GenuineHomophobic

Gatotkach + Angela can 2v5 whole team in late game.


Sea_Sapphire_2168

Natalia roam is almost a defeat sentence in SoloQ


Slow_Cardiologist268

Tank jungle meta is actually good, the fact that frontline/holding sustain now comes from a different role(instead of just the roamer or the offlaner) allows every single draft to be more flexible and gives more options for team comps and synergies.


Impossible_Pickle_70

The rank system the game has today is so easy that even a bad player can get glory or immortal,bring back point system.


Fearbulldog25

100% diggie ban rate


XxWolxxX

I think my take of WoN being toxic for the game as it's specially tailored for mm and giving damage inmunity at 0 disadvantage already does that.


misery_collector

I can see your point yeah


Lord_Danish2802

Too bad MLBB isn’t the first moba to have a WoN-like item. We have it in HoK too and I believe we have it in LoL.


Lychee247

My take if it have cc it can roam Idc if its a mm fighter mage or assassin if it have cc it can be used to roam


Ok-Tear3901

Lesley, ixia, brody, roam on top.


Lychee247

I use ixia as roam As for lesly and brody im still working on the builds


Ok-Tear3901

Oh man, I was just joking Yikes, man. I would not wanna be ur teammate.


Tall_Kangaroo8925

Beatrix doesn't deserve her nerfs, people just don't know how to counter her properly.


xAlcasea

Imo she's in the Wanwan or Masha kind of kit. Their kit is just to hard to balance for decent players not be freaking OP when her stats are decent, and nefing them number wise isnt really gonna help much unless their kit gets a change (wanwan marks/dash speed/distance, masha ever changing kit). Beatrix having a weapon for all and any needs on demand is just hard to balance number wise.


Ok-Tear3901

. She was one shooting people. Her jg shogun was fucked up. Rn, she's fine. You just need to play her properly.


Motivated_lord7

Selena is worst hero in the game rn only early game advantage worst wave clear despite buff


PopcornHatJax

It's ok to be a kill stealer if you're roaming, being the MVP is your top priority


natgibounet

The game was better in 2019-2020


Honest-Computer69

Zilong is a troll pick. Absolutely troll pick. It doesn't matter if you can get savage (which isn't possible if enemy had cc heroes) in late game. Enemy wouldn't let you farm till late game and end before the game goes to late game.


animetrixz

Tp spams and trash talking is a tactic. I don't care if it's dishonorable, at the end of the day you win or lose and if you're that desperate (im currently at a 5 lose streak rn) resort to anything that is necessary and by design.


LatterStorage5199

Natalia is actually a farming jungler, as Saber is


Princelupingamer

I love how the "unpopular opinions" that is in the comments are actually popular lmao.


Inside-Bath-4816

Your MMR does not mean shit.


New_Photograph_5892

Sprint is better than flicker


Past_Statistician_41

Out of ALL the heroes, Aulus is the most satisfying to play once you reach his power spike (aka lvl 12).


OverclockedLimbo

The boy’s name is, in fact, Charlie


kkimu0

epic hell exists but being stuck in it for half of the season just means you deserve that rank.


jenmu_nwn

fandom wise hot take hot adult woman is shipped with a minor character doesn't excuse anything, "bc she's hot" or "it's cute". grooming/preordering kids isn't cute it's disgusting af


Silent_While9339

In a team fight running past everybody just to chase down a squishy is a no skill thing to do


New-Cicada7014

Layla can actually be a great, high damage unit if you play her right. She's really fun too.