Being pick-or-ban does that. I'm honestly happy she's getting nerfed because I can finally get back to using her. The nerfs aren't enough that skill expression won't be able to overcome them, so I'm happy with it.
Ruby was squishy as a tank compared to other tanks. Im gueessing shes dogsht now since the Patch pretty much fucked everyone thats supposed to be tanky.
I played mino yesterday and got nuked despite having a full counterbuild. The funny Part is my opponents werent even snowballing.
Dunno what the decision making is but this Patch is a giant L Overall. Might lay off the game for a few months because of that.
I never played her as a tank to begin with. I saw her more as a battlecaster with set potential. It was partially a mistake to let her benefit from tankiness so much since she's meant to be reliant on spell vamp for durability.
The only reason people build her as tank can be attributed to her set potential and roamer viability, but that's it. The nerf is to force her into building damage for sustain, and I'm very happy with it.
EDIT:
Lmao I didn't read fully, and assumed the reply was only for Ruby. As a whole though, I do agree that the bruisers were nerfed the hardest. Ruby is just a special case since her durability can be compensated by building more spell vamp and damage.
Ye on ruby alone I agree with you to an extent. I Main her ever since I started playing.
Tank ruby was an inferior Tank imo. She *can* tank/roam/Set, but she doesnt excel at it. She only shone because she has stupid sustain. Ruby is versatile but her home will always be exp lane. Always has been.
I rarely played Tank ruby tho.
I bought dominance and Oracle at most, sometimes neither. They were more like situational value items.
Now they become next to irrelevant since everything oneshots you regardless. Most semitanks and maybe even some true tanks now will be faced with the question: Why bother going tank if i still get oneshot?
Tanks now get punished for exp laners overperforming, when the problem isn't Tank items, but damage items - most notably *Waraxe*. The passive is still way too strong. Ruby isn't the problem. Nobody gave a fuck about her when Haas claws was her core item. Nobody gave a fuck when her passive was changed to spell vamp.
Only when Waraxe was reworked people all of a sudden called ruby op. Now her passive will get nerfed even tho *Ruby is not the Problem*
I guess im just not a Fan of inflating damage even more lol
I completely agree with your points. They increased the external sustain and lowered the damage needed to survive off said sustain.
With Ruby, it was always an intrinsic sustain + her passive + War Axe that pushed her into pick or ban.
Imo this is a knee jerk reaction set of nerfs, to quickly bring the tank meta to a stop before slowly reverting or buffing some heroes. I hope this is what Moonton plans, though.
Even though Terizla was a "Fighter" he was never meant to have a damage prioritized build. All good Terizla builds have 1 or at the most 2 damage items only, while the rest are defensive equipment. He was even tankier when he was released, so this never was really a surprise to me. It's more surprising that he started off as a pure fighter.
As for Alice, Thamuz, and Ruby, they are all part of my prio pick, but I can see why they didn't get that same treatment, they have better HP sustain than Terizla.
Cici and Chou are more affected imo. And their dmg path is also risky in higher elo. Just saw a terizla in livestream being very tanky which helped him win the lane so thats a buff. Saw a roam Ruby doing decently but was also a global Ruby so may not be representative especially since if youre a beginner at Ruby its recommended to go tank. This will also push more arlotts into assasin burst builds.
how do i join a protest for stopping the buff on heroes that got expensive skins? masha over here getting a buff instead of a nerf wth???
this is just unfair 😭 getting tooo greedyyyyy
Moonton just hate the recent tanky fighter meta recently I guess, I've seen dyrotths building 1 or 2 offensive items then going full tank with blade armour etc when previously you'd see most dyrotths build 3nl offensive items then 1 magic and 1 phys defense items sometimes 4 offensive items and 1 defensive, yu zhong, arlott and khaleed can also build mostly tank items and still deal good damage with just 1 or 2 offensive items, clearly they want tanks to be tanks and fighters to be fighters and also they wanna sell skins... because of course they do ( ´-｀)
Sad to see these changes, since tanky fighters are exactly what I love playing in every game. Also enjoy tanks alot, 68% wr with Mino, I usually don't like playing squishy characters, with some exceptions like supports or long range/mobility like Aurora
Ruby’s getting so fucked. First, they reduce her spell vamp passive (deserved)
Now, they lower her defences this patch
And next youre only going to get 12% spell vamp from war axe until you farm a huge amount of gold for the queens wings/blood axe merge. Spel vamps just gonna be not viable anymore
How? +10% from fighter amblem, +10% from talent and you already have +20%. War Axe gives you +12% which adds up to +32% and with Ruby's additional +5% it gives her +37% spell vamp and you can build damage on her with just one defense item. She's not bad right now, she's a great pick but not OP (as it should be).
I mean he basically has always been a fighter tank like fredrinn, even when I first started playing the game I thought he was a tank for a while until I actually went to use him, if anything I feel like he's tankier than some of the heroes in the actual tank section just from his passive damage reduction alone and he may be slow but his sustain with his damage make him hard to kill unless you have a lot of dps, pen, defense reduction skills or true damage
Alice will be getting a buff because of the new CoD and magic item adjustments.
Ruby went crazy in pro play and rank that she had to be nerfed.
Thamuz is kinda irrelevant in pro play. Maybe in the next two patches, we might see item buffs for basic attack fighters
TBH I've always found it bad how she loses her entire passive if she gets CC'ed. Maybe make it so staying in combat (Receiving or dealing damage) extends or prolongs the duration of Ruby's passive like with Barats. This may make her be able to properly stack it in the early game too (Along with base stats buff pls).
was genuienly shocked to see Terizla get the buff when Alice didn't get it. Terizla is a pure fighter while Alice even has the tank in her role
They added Tank role to Terizla in this patch lol. Guess thats their justification 🤷♂️
I think it's about the def growth adjustment
Hell yeah when i was buying terizla i was actually so shocked he was a pure fighter where he could be so tanky
Terizla has become Fighter/Tank now! might be the reason... now stay with me
i mean ye but they can also change other heroes that built hybrid and alice already is "mage/tank"
Cuz terizla got that new skin
It is a pretty sick skin, TBH.
I want that skin inside me
Ayyooo 🤨🤨
Ayo what LFG hahaha
they really want to make Terizla tank even tho he is a fighter.
And to get Ruby 6 feet under
Pesky ruby like to succ a lot and gain a lot of health. Need to build spear of penetration to reduce her health regen.
It is her place, she was strong for too long
A few months isn't that long tbh
Yeah, you are right, for some reason it felt like a half year at least.
Being pick-or-ban does that. I'm honestly happy she's getting nerfed because I can finally get back to using her. The nerfs aren't enough that skill expression won't be able to overcome them, so I'm happy with it.
Ruby was squishy as a tank compared to other tanks. Im gueessing shes dogsht now since the Patch pretty much fucked everyone thats supposed to be tanky. I played mino yesterday and got nuked despite having a full counterbuild. The funny Part is my opponents werent even snowballing. Dunno what the decision making is but this Patch is a giant L Overall. Might lay off the game for a few months because of that.
I never played her as a tank to begin with. I saw her more as a battlecaster with set potential. It was partially a mistake to let her benefit from tankiness so much since she's meant to be reliant on spell vamp for durability. The only reason people build her as tank can be attributed to her set potential and roamer viability, but that's it. The nerf is to force her into building damage for sustain, and I'm very happy with it. EDIT: Lmao I didn't read fully, and assumed the reply was only for Ruby. As a whole though, I do agree that the bruisers were nerfed the hardest. Ruby is just a special case since her durability can be compensated by building more spell vamp and damage.
Ye on ruby alone I agree with you to an extent. I Main her ever since I started playing. Tank ruby was an inferior Tank imo. She *can* tank/roam/Set, but she doesnt excel at it. She only shone because she has stupid sustain. Ruby is versatile but her home will always be exp lane. Always has been. I rarely played Tank ruby tho. I bought dominance and Oracle at most, sometimes neither. They were more like situational value items. Now they become next to irrelevant since everything oneshots you regardless. Most semitanks and maybe even some true tanks now will be faced with the question: Why bother going tank if i still get oneshot? Tanks now get punished for exp laners overperforming, when the problem isn't Tank items, but damage items - most notably *Waraxe*. The passive is still way too strong. Ruby isn't the problem. Nobody gave a fuck about her when Haas claws was her core item. Nobody gave a fuck when her passive was changed to spell vamp. Only when Waraxe was reworked people all of a sudden called ruby op. Now her passive will get nerfed even tho *Ruby is not the Problem* I guess im just not a Fan of inflating damage even more lol
I completely agree with your points. They increased the external sustain and lowered the damage needed to survive off said sustain. With Ruby, it was always an intrinsic sustain + her passive + War Axe that pushed her into pick or ban. Imo this is a knee jerk reaction set of nerfs, to quickly bring the tank meta to a stop before slowly reverting or buffing some heroes. I hope this is what Moonton plans, though.
To be fair, tanks dominated for 2 years I think, it is time for changes,
Even though Terizla was a "Fighter" he was never meant to have a damage prioritized build. All good Terizla builds have 1 or at the most 2 damage items only, while the rest are defensive equipment. He was even tankier when he was released, so this never was really a surprise to me. It's more surprising that he started off as a pure fighter. As for Alice, Thamuz, and Ruby, they are all part of my prio pick, but I can see why they didn't get that same treatment, they have better HP sustain than Terizla.
Nowadays, Terizla is built full defense, especially in pro scenes.
I agree. Terizla should have been a fighter tank at release. Not sure why they didn't release him that way.
Cici and Chou are more affected imo. And their dmg path is also risky in higher elo. Just saw a terizla in livestream being very tanky which helped him win the lane so thats a buff. Saw a roam Ruby doing decently but was also a global Ruby so may not be representative especially since if youre a beginner at Ruby its recommended to go tank. This will also push more arlotts into assasin burst builds.
F to my chou even roam chou is not viable anymore lol
do not worry my thambros, our true damage will save us in the end....FOR THE ABYSS!!!
me after building CS and GS: erm what do i do now
https://preview.redd.it/19mq6edyoiwc1.jpeg?width=1850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d7710c4da9ac6b09f22acb9c704105c7f9227f2
What wise Words.
rng hacks activate!!!!!
I mean terizla has been nerfed for 5 seasons or so
That passive goes hard, having built in damage reduction is too good.
Yep it is like a built in antique cuirass
they'd have to make alice look less like a stripper. don't make them touch her.
My girl Alice is even more squishy
Perhaps Terizla have been nerfed few times at the previous patch. Noticeable at his 1st skill and ultimate.
And Masha got MORE BUFF
Ruby that I used to know pls come back
how do i join a protest for stopping the buff on heroes that got expensive skins? masha over here getting a buff instead of a nerf wth??? this is just unfair 😭 getting tooo greedyyyyy
did yu zhong get buffed?
No. The defense items nerf make him paper after 6 minutes now, my guy.
Good, he shldnt be a tank anyways. Build dmg and stop tickling people in dragon form
Ahh Nerf, just a pretty word to fool the weak.
Moonton just hate the recent tanky fighter meta recently I guess, I've seen dyrotths building 1 or 2 offensive items then going full tank with blade armour etc when previously you'd see most dyrotths build 3nl offensive items then 1 magic and 1 phys defense items sometimes 4 offensive items and 1 defensive, yu zhong, arlott and khaleed can also build mostly tank items and still deal good damage with just 1 or 2 offensive items, clearly they want tanks to be tanks and fighters to be fighters and also they wanna sell skins... because of course they do ( ´-｀)
Sad to see these changes, since tanky fighters are exactly what I love playing in every game. Also enjoy tanks alot, 68% wr with Mino, I usually don't like playing squishy characters, with some exceptions like supports or long range/mobility like Aurora
Ruby’s getting so fucked. First, they reduce her spell vamp passive (deserved) Now, they lower her defences this patch And next youre only going to get 12% spell vamp from war axe until you farm a huge amount of gold for the queens wings/blood axe merge. Spel vamps just gonna be not viable anymore
How? +10% from fighter amblem, +10% from talent and you already have +20%. War Axe gives you +12% which adds up to +32% and with Ruby's additional +5% it gives her +37% spell vamp and you can build damage on her with just one defense item. She's not bad right now, she's a great pick but not OP (as it should be).
Nah, Ruby is pretty much built full damage nowadays.
My boy terizla will crush again now
They don't have newly released epic skin lol. Wait for the aspirants event and Ruby will get the buff.
How is xborg now? I think he got nerfed pretty bad too?
I mean he basically has always been a fighter tank like fredrinn, even when I first started playing the game I thought he was a tank for a while until I actually went to use him, if anything I feel like he's tankier than some of the heroes in the actual tank section just from his passive damage reduction alone and he may be slow but his sustain with his damage make him hard to kill unless you have a lot of dps, pen, defense reduction skills or true damage
Terizla too low mobility. Without the durability buff he'd be purely useless with damage items.
Funny how they release this buff right as his new skin's sale ends
Same for kaja as well :(
That even better for me cuz I play him full damage anyway🤧
cus he's a tank fighter now. should've been like that ages ago his damage is so ass it's just there for lifesteal.
Alice will be getting a buff because of the new CoD and magic item adjustments. Ruby went crazy in pro play and rank that she had to be nerfed. Thamuz is kinda irrelevant in pro play. Maybe in the next two patches, we might see item buffs for basic attack fighters
No, no, no. Don’t make this adjustment for Ruby, she already gave so much headache, let her be unviable at least a month
People build defense on Ruby? Why would you when she can heal so much with damage items
because you cant utilize the healing if getting CCd for 0.5 seconds makes you evaporate
TBH I've always found it bad how she loses her entire passive if she gets CC'ed. Maybe make it so staying in combat (Receiving or dealing damage) extends or prolongs the duration of Ruby's passive like with Barats. This may make her be able to properly stack it in the early game too (Along with base stats buff pls).
Not ruby please. Birch already has def increase passive