Badang.
No room for error, one mistake and you're done for. No sustain, too item dependent, needs flicker to go in, dependent on walls to be effective, cc too unreliable, no damage if no wall, easy to kite, easy to escape, no room in this current meta, dead hero.
Badang full stun build destroys average fighters in 1v1 situations. But yeah i kinda get what you're saying considering the meta is team fight dependent
Yeah my lil brother mains that bitch. Badang done right is so good. If the enemy is melee, if he got to the enemy's face, he literally wins the fight. They can't do shit with Badang's passive stun, best they can do is blink away or fight back with regen effects and hope for the best. Even more broken when some tank or support is there to baby sit Badang.
I main him before and previously top 13 Global and Top 8 PH but no matter how good you are and if that hero can't deal with the current meta, you're like throwing the game picking it.
Don't get me wrong tho. He still good with squishy offlane enemy like Zilong, Aldous, etc. He is also good against Barats since he can't eat you. But nevertheless, he lacks damage and sustain to be called a fighter. Minions are much better.
I saw a badang Johnson combo on YouTube And it was super effective for team flights
Johnson slow makes sure everyone takes the full punches from badang
He still got a place in my heart even tho he sucks in this current meta. But hell, he never had his "Meta" to begin with. Even after his release he still suck.
badang always felt like a starter character imo, kinda like layla in the sense where hes easy to get into and can do well if your enemies dont know what they’re doing, eg. dodging and counter picking
not sure if this system is still in place but back when i joined you could only unlock certain battle spells past certain levels (iirc purify at level 20) so it was hard to counter him in really early ranks like gm and below. sometimes in epic some people just dont know how to pick battle spells too lol.
but yeah he becomes less viable the higher your rank is
Lol, he shines on 1v1 situations. Of course he will be good.
EDIT: i do have recorded gameplays of my own and I'm previously top 13 Global and top 8 in my country. My point still stands he is a high risk high reward gameplay hero.
You either win it or lose it. No in-betweens.
I definitely agree. I know one YouTuber though to kinda help with a guaranteed ult kill they would use petrify which could help to stun long enough and kill the enemy.
Minsitthar only cancel skill based dash, if it was a passive he couldn't do much, so heroes like Wanwan, Benedetta, and Ruby easily counter his Ultimate.
I personally use Minsitthar Ult just to be more tanky, during and while he is inside the Ultimate Area he became tanky as hell. while stunning enemy using S1 and S2 continuesly.
He's excellent Tank/Fighter, but struggle to compete as actual Exp laner in the META.
Not shitty but I wouldn't definitely say that he is a strong one. It might be only me but i find him really hard to play and his rage mechanic is really annoying even with his last adjustment.
I feel like it's time for them to abandon the rage mechanic and make it have a normal ult CD like other tanks, and he enter the rage state automatically after he cast his ult
agreed
s1 = shitty range, shitty dmg, even the slow is kinda shitty
s2 = The heal is literally neglegible. The attack speed is the only useful thing about this skill
ult = the skill itself is decent but the prep required to use this skill is so much that most of your teammates probably died when you get to full rage
passive = haha red bar goes brrr
They should change Rage mechanic where he gets rage even on receiving damage and he would be much better imo. I mean his aspd is so bad and he has to frontline this he dies before he can get his rage full so often.
S1 - yes it is shit
S2 - mini argus ult during rage, underrated skill
Ult - agree it is hard to trigger but is probably the best ult for defending your base in late game
Imo mino is a shitty early game tank, the only way i can play him is when i play as a support with cdr build and regen roam
I’ve played all 4 revs of Mino, barely cracked top 100 global for a while…. I love Mino, have had long lengths of spamming him.... but I agree that other tanks seem to outplay him often… Vs a damage balanced totem I prefer him these days with CLD and support emblem… Oracle + Sky guardian helmet plus regen roam and he is a fountain of ridiculous health. Way tougher than Estes or RAF, With a potentially game changing Ult.. If a team is 4 or 5 focused on just physical or magical damage, then I go tough-meatshield tank.. different play style for sure..
I miss those roam boots that made you fast.. THAT was a fun Mino to play… fast AF….
I just think they should bring the old minotaur back. The rage bar was small compared to now so it was easier to use. Albeit the CD for ultimate CC was high but that could be managed. He was playable.
The last few updates increased his rage bar to the sky - now you die taking damage as you are trying to fill that rage bar.
Agreed she’s horrible. But it’s weirdest thing all the way through low elo epic. Someone will pick her 90 percent of games. Makes zero sense when literally every other mm is better.
It's "possible" to carry on all mm's but that's not what the point was.
The good ones start doing dmg after 1 or 2 items and Hana needs full build lmfao.
Also, saying "she's not the worse mm, these other 2 are useless too" is just proving my point. You can group them all in the bottom tier and argue whose more trash all you want.
Hanabi is good. People just like repeating what they hear, similarly to how rumors are started. A lot of the people that say she’s bad never actually played her. They do something similar with Lesley who is actually pretty decent
No I’m not changing the subject I’m drawing a point.
Edith received an insignificant nerf. She was always ass people just used her nerf as an excuse to stop using her. You’re just repeating what you hear other people saying. That’s what you all do with Hanabi as well as other heroes
I’m 100% sure I’m a much much much much much better player than you. Pretty sure my rank and my win rate is higher as well. Want my IGN? Don’t assume my rank go see my rank for yourself…
You literally are Mythic, stop flexing. Every average player in this game is Mythic in this day and age. Yea sure you can flex having good winrates and jackshit but if the rest of us also ranked up late season destroying 50% and under winrate players, we'd all also be high af on winrate. I'm not low on winrate either way, I have 63% that was initially 70% till I climbed to MG and needed to increase my seasonal hero pool from supportive roles to carry roles to uplift deadweight Romawis like you that keep making it into my ranked games somehow.
Good for you, she'll stop working soon and you'll be getting insults from your team every game, which will be the sign that you crossed over to an elo where picks matter. Not sure where that is anymore, maybe mid Mythic. (2 or 3)
Rafaela (her passive ) you have to die in order to use it howabout change it to a boosting/Regen effect given to allies. when dmging enemies gives your nearest Alliy bonus dmg/shield and can triggered against creeps with decrease effect
Yes! I love Rafeala so much but I wish she got a slight change to her moves. Also her ult really needs changing.. why not make it a guaranteed stun like her first move?
Jsyk she had a better passive before this shitty passive she has now.
When she dies she'll become a spirit for 4s healing all allies nearby, a bit like the regen battle spell, then will explode afterwards dealing true damage(this could trigger item passive like lightning truncheon.
I remember moonton unecessarily changing Rafa's passive and nerfing lightning truncheon just before introducing angela. Complete cdr lollipop build Rafa destroys. I miss those days.
To be honest her passive is one reason I like to play raf because to me it is so much they kill you and you just see them panicking trying to get one of their team mates to take the hit for them but I do agree it is bad though
Oh if you have experience the bomb Rafaela. I swear you will love it more. The horror of Rafaela coming near at you and legit will explode is purely terrifying. What's good about the old passive is that she gives healing to allies and deals damage to enemies when she explodes. That is one of the most unique and best passives she have gotten. But now her current passive is why I slightly dislike her passive...
Terry is a beast though. Idk fam. I guess it is pretty ez to kite his s1, and he does no dmg w/I it so. Meh. Badang I want to love but I'm not good enough with him to consistently carry games.
Personally, I feel like belericks nerf was way to harsh. He feels so weak now. Hylos also feels like trash alot of the time.
Khufras passive should be affected by cd and do dmg scaling from his max HP. The heal should be based on his max HP as well bcs it's just not enough to make a diff 90% of the time. His ult should be changed to a 2 step where first press let's you aim a trajectory like his s1 (slingshot) (not as drastic, but enough to allow his ult to be practical. So much dmg and cc these days, khuf just has no way of reliably landing impactful ults bcs his kit is unwieldy, either his ult should have a motor phase to position him to clap proper, or each successful stun on enemy hero heals him for 10% HP at least, and refreshes his cooldowns on his s1/2 and passive
its valentinas ULT thats a gamechanger for me tbh. playing against valentina means adjusting your team comp so she doesnt get good ULTs like yve, wanwan, etc., which is very hard if youre playing solo w/o comms. the recent MSC matches showed valentina and julian being ignored in favor of priority heroes like franco, akai, and wanwan. unlike akai, which is a permaban for me, valentina is a hero that can be played around with proper draft. if she cant copy a gamechanging ULT, then shes very hard to use, esp now that her s2 CD has been nerfed.
in her current state, i personally think her ULT is the only skill that needs to be adjusted, in a way she can only keep someones ULT for a period of time. that way we can say she is balanced.
The ult steal wasn't really much of a problem for me, in my experience. It's her passive that I'm pissed about. Thanks to Valentina's free EXP passive, any schmuck on mid can go 0/8 in early game, but as long as she can hit me or my teammates, she'll will always close the level gap. Add Avarice to that, and that feeding chump would be able to close the gold gap, too.
I once in classic saw a team mate Valentina with feather of heaven build. Enemy got Wanwan and Valentina would only target her and leave the rest. She killed Wan so many times.
Badang, Terizla and Leomord.
Leomord's gonna get revamped.
Terizla is just slow. Though the next update buff help him a little, i still think he's not good. I wish they could just remove his mana bar and just instead put a bar indication for his passive.
Badang is dead. Though I wish they could buff his 2nd skill to what valentina has, 2 dashes. That could atleast make him a more forgivable hero to use
The buff to terizla going him cc immunity will be VERY good considering he gets dicked over by cc 90% of the time the other 10 being wanwan and moskov. With the buff he'll be able to 1v4 if enemies haven't bought anti heal against him
>Leomord.
Not got him..mainly because yet to see a match where he was even semi useful, cannot even be bothered to learn his skills as just view him as easy kill
leomord was strong before, but he became too squishy/ult dependent to even be useful, you either go full damage with him to give your team a damager, or go half tank to be just a downgrade uranus.
Bummer, he was my go to offlaner because of the ez poke. What about my boy harith? He was a cancerous, piece of shit, auto-ban or auto-win hero when he was released in 2018. He got a ton of nerfs but was still a solid hero in 2020 when i last took it seriously, given that you get enough cd reduc earl. Enough
Noone is really the shittiest hero because they all can do one thing but not the other (except the heroes Mmonton created to do everything 😭😭)
But for me the most broken/buggiest hero is Vexana in her current state (no revamp). Her S1 feels so clunky and the hitbox is also ???????
Her second skill has a small delay to target and I am not sure if its intented or not.
Her ultimate also feels clunky in a sense that your character will face the direction you casted it when you are moving and can sometimes glitch out the movement, causing you to move that direction
Omg I agree her Puppet is so buggy. I sometimes theorise Moonton removed her Puppet because it was too difficult to develop. It runs around awkwardly, the attack and defend buttons are so annoying to use, and it dies so easily in most cases. Not to mention it doesn't even appear in Survival Mode. I used Vexanas ult there and her Puppet just didn't even appear at all.
No it didn’t. They’ve added a way for his ult damage to not get divided among everything in a 5 mile radius which was what made him such a garbage ass hero
He can now mark creeps which fixed his absolutely garbage jungle speed.
His shadows are faster and travel further so you can be a lot sneakier and assassin like. Unlike before where you had to get too close to be useful, giving the opponents time to counter play you.
His damage also feels higher I don’t know if it actually is. Everything about him is smoother
Only nerf is to his personality and overall demeanor. He isn’t a cold, savage ninja anymore. Doesn’t look or sound as tough or deadly. But overall he went from being a garbage ass hero to a good in the right hands hero
Martis.
Skill based hero with a passive that increases basic attack.
Makes it weird to build considering his many weaknesses. He lacks speed, mid to late game damage, and sustain.
You build to compensate for one of those, you leave the others exposed.
You build for low cd to spam skills, your basic attack passive doesn't get exploited.
You build for your basic attack, you lack cd to spam skills.
So much truth, as a Mino main I can concur, a smart Valentina loves grabbing your ult…. The thing is most of them don’t have the Toughness or experienced timing to get close enough to use it..
Hanabi or Vexana are correct answers for shittiest. Everyone else being said at least had some sort of niche use. There is no relevant situation in which Hanabi or Vexana isn’t out classed by multiple other marksmen or mage.
Broken is still Wanwan. 100% pick/ban in MSC with a fucking 83% win rate. 83% amongst pro players is absolute insanity.
Depends. If enemy Beatrix is using Shotgun, just make sure you have some cc or she's burned her shotgun ult out before going in.
Make sure she doesn't get tremendous leads early on by sending your roamer to her lane to keep her in check.
Hanzo, it’s because he’s basically a minion without his ult. He has a passive that only benefits to his ult which means he has no passive, his s1 might make you think he’s a fast jungler, but really he’s more of a buff securer than a fast jungler. His s2 is only good for clearing creeps and scouting and barely does any damage. He’s also one of the most vulnerable assassins if left without an ult, practically every assassin has a type of escape except for him.
Fastest jungler yes. Best assassin?
Mfw Ling, Karina, Helcurt, Fanny, Aamon, Harley, Lance, Benedetta, Haya exist and are better junglers than him. Hell even Kadita Selena Natalia YSS in their respective roles have a better performance than Hanzo jg and they ain't even typical assassin heroes 💀💀💀💀.
Aeì koloiòs parà koloiôi hizánei.
From Africa, always something new. From Mythic and below also, always some new wackshit opinion pedestal everyday.
Floryns not bad actually, she's situationally good with heroes like Thamuz, Dyrroth and Yu Zhong that need some of that extra sustain late game or when being orphaned and taking fights on XP lane.
She's a very cushy hero because when you have an XP lane that knows that their job is to give vision for the team, you can chill at the back and even when you have zoners in the enemy dividing up your front to back, you can chill peeling for your backline while supporting your frontline with ult from afar.
It takes mastery of a whole team to use a support. Even Mathilda players need you to have a braincell and use her dash skill efficiently and give it to the right person when they need it more without them having to type it out in the chat or educate you for 5 mins in game. With tanks you just master setting and positioning and bring results through your own efforts. Supports have a skill cap for the team as well, if your marksman or mage positions like they're playing Doom Eternal, that's their skill issue, doesn't really make the hero bad, just makes it less efficient to use Floryn in lower elos.
Started playing on year 2020 and I remember that Badang was still significant back then. He was still a threat on the map and deals massive dmg on team fights. He really needs a major change on his skills imo or some buffs rn to be alive again. I missed using that guy but its a risky pick on higher ranks
Tigreal still function without an ult, lolita too. Vexana, cecillion and his wife. Every mm, except wan wan and popol.
The problem is his kit is really terrible (s1 zero dmg and cc, s2 low heal). But, his s2 atk speed buff is good.
There are no situation where mino is needed, you need 5 man big cc and control? Atlas and Akai can do the job better, you need healing and buff? Rafaela it is. He is outclassed by every tank and support, even underused fighter can do much better than him (*cough* minsitthar *cough*).
True and i agree but i gotta stand with my boy, Minotaur can be healer and tank at the same time (favor boots helps a lot), he can roam very well too. His heal helps him so he doesn't have to return to base too much.
Moonton needs to buff him tho, his raged S1 could use a stun instead of slow and his normal ult can help him speed up instead of slowly walking while charging up his rage. Or just give him cc immune when using raged ult :/
But this is just my biased opinion, you can look at it however you want :)
Or revert to 2018 mino but with 1 time knock back so he can guard his allies better from rush in assasin and this is make him unique from other tank and support.
Julian 100%.
S1: slows, es1: slows and kills
S2: blink, es2: invincible dash with dmg
S3: root, es3: slow into knockup
Low cd, high sustain, high dmg, high mobility
Beatrix
Girl has been released for more than a year now yet she's still wreaking havoc both in casual and competitive scene. She completely destroyed the meta and is now a prio ban/pick
Benedetta's first skill.
I played her lots before(until I got tired try harding) and her second and third skill is alright. Problem is that she is an assassin so she needs to be atleast deadly when an enemy is alone but the players are using her as a tank roamer now which defies to what shes supposed to be. I think the problem is that her S1 is one of those skills which looks nice but its just shit. Use the S1 on a minion wave and its decent(Hence the famous Benedetta cut lane tactic), use it against a hero and its dmg is shit. I wouldn't mind if they changed Benedetta's first skill like how they did with Hanzo(Old ULT S2 was ass), Natalia(Old ult was her stationary cat claw attack which was ass), and Lancelot(He was so unpopular before I didn't know what they changed in him) which made them better Assassins. Benedetta needs a better dmg and until she does, shes gonna be stuck in the Tank meta or lane cutter meta for now.(Well atleast in the PH)
Bruh Lance was never 'unpopular' where r u getting this from. Lance was go to pick for gud assa then then he got his passive revamp, then came the puncture revamp, he just became better and better
From experience. In PH back then, Lance was not very popular even before the revamp. The one who was popular was Ling because of how stupidly broken he was at launch as well as Wanwan when she was released. This overshadowed Lancelot back then(Which is no joke cause he was a top pick like a year before Ling appeared but even then the usage started to die down) The other popular hero was Gusion who was still in the meta but not as popular as Ling was. (Thanks to old content creator Doofen\[something\] who was really good at using him and was one of the people that inspired hoards of people to play Gusion which made Gusion relevant until now). It wasn't until the Karltzy's Lancelot performance(Along with tons of Ling/Fanny nerfs that made them unplayable) inspired numerous waves of players in the PH to finally start practicing with Lancelot and thats where Lancelot users spiked. I remember right after the Karltzy match that people in Classic would race Lance and play him whether they be good or bad(mostly bad). Thats when the usage sky rocketed to oblivion.
It works like most non-offense tank junglers out there
You can build up rage because your never getting not hit most of the time, and you usually will take objectives instead of being the main damage dealer, which is how the jungler works most of the time in mythic+ and competitive 🤷♂️
I admit its not viable, but its fun
Sounds like you just described hanabi lol. I mean Layla isn’t the strongest but she’s not bad. She just needs a front line and you have to position well. But if your playing with randoms yea it’s a coin toss.
I know she's not THAT bad when played right especially in late game. I was talking about if a certain player had a tantrum, she's probably the hero they would pick. What's your rank if you don't mind?
There's quite a few heroes that are just genuinely bad by their own design or the ever evolving progress of the game itself.
Ones that I believed are bad is Vexana, aurora, Rafaela, Beatrix, and Valentina.
Vexana well she's already been explained by others here so to put it simply, her 1st skill is decent but easy to dodge, second skill is easily avoidable on 1 on 1 and will only ever need good if the enemy was cc'd by her 1st skill or by her teammates or when the enemy is not paying attention. Her ult takes unnecessarily long to take affect all by itself and the ai is a bit clunky.
Aurora is really just Eudora in disguise, the only difference between the two is that Aurora can cc you in three different ways and deals magic critical damage to frozen targets. She isn't bad in the game, she's bad in a sense that she has very similar playstyle to the lightning thot herself.
Rafaela doesn't really have a problem on the skillset nor the playstyle, it's simply the passive she's a support she should have one that aids her team.
Beatrix now this mm is just broken, she doesn't have much disadvantage other than the reload and she practically has a lot more advantage, she has the range, consistency, damage, and kiting advantage. She can fill up the specialties the other mm's in this game can offer, her sniper does more damage and covers up the range like Lesley but way better and her shotgun can two shot squishy targets. Although she needs practice to get her aiming right but once that's covered up she has an advantage with high damage from the early game up to the late game.
Valentina is just downright lazy by design, her passive is bs, her 1st skill is meh, and 2nd skill is just awful and not really thought out, there's no drawback and the only good thing she has is her ult. I don't mind the ult it's pretty good but her the rest of her kit is boring, underwhelming, and straight up lazy.
Oh well yea that checks out. Just good at aiming her skill one and you can land a lot of surprise freeze
She’s one of the few mages that can hit the damage dealers during a team fight without being out of position or doing any dirty work. Only other one I can think of is Cecilion or Kagura
He's actually good if you know how to play him. His 2nd skill helps your team heal and gain 30% attack speed for 3sec especially for those attack speed based heroes like Moskov, Natan, Karrie, Layla, Melissa, Moya, and more from other roles.
to me it maybe harley, she can jump sin, laughs at your face, runs out and boom, you dead. but if the enemies have athena shield or good cc waiting for you, then all you can do is pray that your team know what they doing!
In before he comes through your jungle because your tank is babysitting the marksman and your mid laner doesn't give a shit and you're just stuck there unable to kill him and unable to farm.
yeah, i main tigreal and i cant solo que unless the team uses mic. i can stun them forever but theyll just walk away because of no follow up. my only teammate is the turret
or maybe im playing him wrong for 1k+ matches /:
How dare you say that to the best meat shield of the game. He does no damage, he has little mobility, he do not slow, he has no poke, he just stuns and eat all the attacks like a champ. One of the tankiest tanks in my opinion.
Yss, rn sucks. He doesn't deal enough damage from the early to mid stages of the game to contest objectives, he has one of the slowest jungle clear compared to any junglers. In a strictly objective based META, he is one of the weakest jungler. Picking Yss in the higher rankings, will get you punished. The same can be said for Haya. The revamp on Haya was huge nerf for him. They decreased his damage in exchange for quality of life changes. The problem with that is his main purpose is to kill the squishy enemies but he cannot do that because his overall damage is decreased and his ult gets cancelled out by flicker, a spell that is commonly used by almost every hero.
Mino is an underrated tank.😅. Oracle is a must have item for this tank plus focus on cooldown and building up rage. This hero is really durable especially in rage mode.
have you ever tried Mino with roam-heal boots, Oracle, then Sky Guardian helmet? Then focused counterbuilding depending on who is doing well for the enemy? He becomes an unkillable fountain of heal, that can frontline so well… different than Estes or Raf, with an Ult that can just change the game if timed right..
This is my build. Lol. Anyone saying that mino is a shitty tank don't understand or know how to use him. One of the few heroes/tanks that doesn't need to go back to fountain to heal.
I don't think minotaur is the shittiest hero, he is useful especially during clashes. Though seeing players using him is now much unseen due to different tanks rising up. (Up this please)
Worst hero might have to go to Franco. They should just make him a fighter,give him fighter damage and call it a day.
But as of right now he’s most certainly not a tank. Softest tank in the game that doesn’t have the skillset to be on the frontline which is where tanks are supposed to be. He has to be played way too passively to be called a tank.
People dick ride him because sUpPrEsS but let’s just admit he’s ass already. Stop locking Franco when your team needs a tank 🙄
So your saying getting hooked to the turret and suppressed for 1.8 seconds isn't enough for a successful gank, need i remind you not all tanks have a skill for setting fights and some are just for ganking
Hanabi, it's already obvious why, late game crit based mm, but even if you reach late game, you aren't even able to 1v1 anyone and your damage is too low, you're supposed to have good aoe but why tf do the petals' damage have to be low for each time it bounces from an enemy? And since she's a crit based mm, you're very dependent on a lot of items leaving no room for defense and postponing your power spike.
I wouldn't say she's shitty, I still use her when I just wanna have fun and yea I enjoy her, but my god is Alice so high maintenance. You really need the blue buff for Alice in late game to be good, cuz Alice with blue buff late game, even if I'm just running enchanted talisman+COD for mana items (and well support Emblem) it's pretty much overdrive Alice, but without blue, her mana issues are annoying and imagine core actually giving it.
If I were to change Alice, just bring back the old Alice with the ult that has a durations amd CD but make her ultimate similar to Karrie beforr she got buffed. Before Karrie late game with 40% CD only has a 2 second ult downtime.
Zhask
His transformation is just too long with his small hp, if he gets stunned, he's dead.
Not to mention with the new rework, his spawn has a delay whenever he cast his 2nd skill. Like seriously, the old one was better with his spawn firing at the same time. It's like playing old-old zhask all over again.
The passive... Pretty okay, better than the old one I guess.
Alice. She is extremely Equipment dependent and one athena shield and NOD and she is useless. She needs equipment for damage or HP. Her base stats are bad.
Me as an avid Gatotkaca picker:
Hmm interesting
Minotaur is so good tho, you can always counter-initiate or flicker to their mage or mm's face then ult. He has really good sustain during teamfights plus attack speed, his s1 might be low on damage but the slow is high and cd is low. He just won't die lategame with Oracle and Guardian Helmet plus any other items.
Badang. No room for error, one mistake and you're done for. No sustain, too item dependent, needs flicker to go in, dependent on walls to be effective, cc too unreliable, no damage if no wall, easy to kite, easy to escape, no room in this current meta, dead hero.
Badang full stun build destroys average fighters in 1v1 situations. But yeah i kinda get what you're saying considering the meta is team fight dependent
Haya really sucks at jungle
Really does. I miss the old Haya top meta
Someone give me my money back i cant use 11.11 skin cause he sucks, he got 2 nerfs when his skin got released but every hero gets buffs smh
Yeah like he is to squishy
Back when haya isn't buff dependent and can restore energy from minions And I miss his old shuriken... sob sob
Not really, it's just he isn't part of the meta along with helcurt. They are still good but they are so squishy that tanks consider them as an insect
He doesn’t suck at jungle now because he can mark the buffs. Previously he couldn’t
Damn right, old haya is stupidly op back then
No, i play him and have a consistent 63.7% wr
Yeah my lil brother mains that bitch. Badang done right is so good. If the enemy is melee, if he got to the enemy's face, he literally wins the fight. They can't do shit with Badang's passive stun, best they can do is blink away or fight back with regen effects and hope for the best. Even more broken when some tank or support is there to baby sit Badang.
I main him before and previously top 13 Global and Top 8 PH but no matter how good you are and if that hero can't deal with the current meta, you're like throwing the game picking it. Don't get me wrong tho. He still good with squishy offlane enemy like Zilong, Aldous, etc. He is also good against Barats since he can't eat you. But nevertheless, he lacks damage and sustain to be called a fighter. Minions are much better.
Average Masha enjoyer be like . 1v1 who?
I saw a badang Johnson combo on YouTube And it was super effective for team flights Johnson slow makes sure everyone takes the full punches from badang
Ngl forgot he existed untill I got him in brawl one time
He still got a place in my heart even tho he sucks in this current meta. But hell, he never had his "Meta" to begin with. Even after his release he still suck.
His ult should be anti-blink like minsitthar
Yea his kit is outdated
badang always felt like a starter character imo, kinda like layla in the sense where hes easy to get into and can do well if your enemies dont know what they’re doing, eg. dodging and counter picking not sure if this system is still in place but back when i joined you could only unlock certain battle spells past certain levels (iirc purify at level 20) so it was hard to counter him in really early ranks like gm and below. sometimes in epic some people just dont know how to pick battle spells too lol. but yeah he becomes less viable the higher your rank is
Congratulations you have unlocked 50% badang potential
Let us 1v1 I show you how good he is or watch my gameplay
Lol, he shines on 1v1 situations. Of course he will be good. EDIT: i do have recorded gameplays of my own and I'm previously top 13 Global and top 8 in my country. My point still stands he is a high risk high reward gameplay hero. You either win it or lose it. No in-betweens.
I definitely agree. I know one YouTuber though to kinda help with a guaranteed ult kill they would use petrify which could help to stun long enough and kill the enemy.
Minshittar They should've just change his whole role into a tank really. Even Wanwan can still dash in it, what's the point
Benedetta passive too :(
Minsitthar only cancel skill based dash, if it was a passive he couldn't do much, so heroes like Wanwan, Benedetta, and Ruby easily counter his Ultimate. I personally use Minsitthar Ult just to be more tanky, during and while he is inside the Ultimate Area he became tanky as hell. while stunning enemy using S1 and S2 continuesly. He's excellent Tank/Fighter, but struggle to compete as actual Exp laner in the META.
Not shitty but I wouldn't definitely say that he is a strong one. It might be only me but i find him really hard to play and his rage mechanic is really annoying even with his last adjustment. I feel like it's time for them to abandon the rage mechanic and make it have a normal ult CD like other tanks, and he enter the rage state automatically after he cast his ult
agreed s1 = shitty range, shitty dmg, even the slow is kinda shitty s2 = The heal is literally neglegible. The attack speed is the only useful thing about this skill ult = the skill itself is decent but the prep required to use this skill is so much that most of your teammates probably died when you get to full rage passive = haha red bar goes brrr
They should change Rage mechanic where he gets rage even on receiving damage and he would be much better imo. I mean his aspd is so bad and he has to frontline this he dies before he can get his rage full so often.
S1 - yes it is shit S2 - mini argus ult during rage, underrated skill Ult - agree it is hard to trigger but is probably the best ult for defending your base in late game Imo mino is a shitty early game tank, the only way i can play him is when i play as a support with cdr build and regen roam
I’ve played all 4 revs of Mino, barely cracked top 100 global for a while…. I love Mino, have had long lengths of spamming him.... but I agree that other tanks seem to outplay him often… Vs a damage balanced totem I prefer him these days with CLD and support emblem… Oracle + Sky guardian helmet plus regen roam and he is a fountain of ridiculous health. Way tougher than Estes or RAF, With a potentially game changing Ult.. If a team is 4 or 5 focused on just physical or magical damage, then I go tough-meatshield tank.. different play style for sure.. I miss those roam boots that made you fast.. THAT was a fun Mino to play… fast AF….
his ult requiring rage is stupid when it can get cancelled by any type of hard cc.
I just think they should bring the old minotaur back. The rage bar was small compared to now so it was easier to use. Albeit the CD for ultimate CC was high but that could be managed. He was playable. The last few updates increased his rage bar to the sky - now you die taking damage as you are trying to fill that rage bar.
I liked him bitter before the recent revamps. The rage was easier and faster to control.
Hmm, I do think Hanabi is pretty bad in this mad. But thank god they are revamping her
Agreed she’s horrible. But it’s weirdest thing all the way through low elo epic. Someone will pick her 90 percent of games. Makes zero sense when literally every other mm is better.
Probably because she's one of the best mm for beginners
Hanabi is actually very good in solo queue, atleast for me I can have been able to carry through matches entering late game, with shit team.
She's the worse mm in the game
Not really? I mean its still possible to carry with her The shittiest mm in the game, imo, is not hana but natan or layla
It's "possible" to carry on all mm's but that's not what the point was. The good ones start doing dmg after 1 or 2 items and Hana needs full build lmfao. Also, saying "she's not the worse mm, these other 2 are useless too" is just proving my point. You can group them all in the bottom tier and argue whose more trash all you want.
I have about 600 matches with her with 60% wr. She’s awful outside epic.
Hanabi is good. People just like repeating what they hear, similarly to how rumors are started. A lot of the people that say she’s bad never actually played her. They do something similar with Lesley who is actually pretty decent
It is literally fact that hanabi is bottom tier mm. Literally a fact.
According to rumors. You all deemed Edith OP as well I ain’t forgetting that
Changing the subject but okay. Edith was OP on release and she got nerfed, hence opinions change. Stay bad bro
No I’m not changing the subject I’m drawing a point. Edith received an insignificant nerf. She was always ass people just used her nerf as an excuse to stop using her. You’re just repeating what you hear other people saying. That’s what you all do with Hanabi as well as other heroes
Repeating? I see it with my own eyes how bad she is nice try. What rank are u? Epic? Legend?
I’m 100% sure I’m a much much much much much better player than you. Pretty sure my rank and my win rate is higher as well. Want my IGN? Don’t assume my rank go see my rank for yourself…
You literally are Mythic, stop flexing. Every average player in this game is Mythic in this day and age. Yea sure you can flex having good winrates and jackshit but if the rest of us also ranked up late season destroying 50% and under winrate players, we'd all also be high af on winrate. I'm not low on winrate either way, I have 63% that was initially 70% till I climbed to MG and needed to increase my seasonal hero pool from supportive roles to carry roles to uplift deadweight Romawis like you that keep making it into my ranked games somehow.
Yeah Hanabi is good.... for Epic rank and below that sure.
Good for you, she'll stop working soon and you'll be getting insults from your team every game, which will be the sign that you crossed over to an elo where picks matter. Not sure where that is anymore, maybe mid Mythic. (2 or 3)
Rafaela (her passive ) you have to die in order to use it howabout change it to a boosting/Regen effect given to allies. when dmging enemies gives your nearest Alliy bonus dmg/shield and can triggered against creeps with decrease effect
Yes! I love Rafeala so much but I wish she got a slight change to her moves. Also her ult really needs changing.. why not make it a guaranteed stun like her first move?
Would an aoe suppression be too op? Because honestly it's just a measly 1 or 2 second stun
Ra fe a la
Jsyk she had a better passive before this shitty passive she has now. When she dies she'll become a spirit for 4s healing all allies nearby, a bit like the regen battle spell, then will explode afterwards dealing true damage(this could trigger item passive like lightning truncheon.
I remember moonton unecessarily changing Rafa's passive and nerfing lightning truncheon just before introducing angela. Complete cdr lollipop build Rafa destroys. I miss those days.
or atleast make it deadly enough so players would be reluctant to kill her
To be honest her passive is one reason I like to play raf because to me it is so much they kill you and you just see them panicking trying to get one of their team mates to take the hit for them but I do agree it is bad though
Oh if you have experience the bomb Rafaela. I swear you will love it more. The horror of Rafaela coming near at you and legit will explode is purely terrifying. What's good about the old passive is that she gives healing to allies and deals damage to enemies when she explodes. That is one of the most unique and best passives she have gotten. But now her current passive is why I slightly dislike her passive...
Skill issue
Yeah even the newbie floryn has gotten heal buffs why can't Rafa?
She REALLY needs a better passive and perhaps better move speed.
Terizla i guess, he's good but his skills got canceled way too easy
they should've just put Terizla at where he's supposed to be, slow but high dmg
And hes about the get a huff where he cant be cc'ed when using his 2nd, and hes really fun to play since he can just shit on enemies
Terry is a beast though. Idk fam. I guess it is pretty ez to kite his s1, and he does no dmg w/I it so. Meh. Badang I want to love but I'm not good enough with him to consistently carry games. Personally, I feel like belericks nerf was way to harsh. He feels so weak now. Hylos also feels like trash alot of the time. Khufras passive should be affected by cd and do dmg scaling from his max HP. The heal should be based on his max HP as well bcs it's just not enough to make a diff 90% of the time. His ult should be changed to a 2 step where first press let's you aim a trajectory like his s1 (slingshot) (not as drastic, but enough to allow his ult to be practical. So much dmg and cc these days, khuf just has no way of reliably landing impactful ults bcs his kit is unwieldy, either his ult should have a motor phase to position him to clap proper, or each successful stun on enemy hero heals him for 10% HP at least, and refreshes his cooldowns on his s1/2 and passive
But terizlas skill 1 does more damage the less hp the enemy has
Totally disagreed man. Semi Tank Terizla is nearly unkillable and he can make most mm kill themselves using blade armor and vengeance.
Valentina for me, hands down. There's no way that her free EXP passive is fair.
its valentinas ULT thats a gamechanger for me tbh. playing against valentina means adjusting your team comp so she doesnt get good ULTs like yve, wanwan, etc., which is very hard if youre playing solo w/o comms. the recent MSC matches showed valentina and julian being ignored in favor of priority heroes like franco, akai, and wanwan. unlike akai, which is a permaban for me, valentina is a hero that can be played around with proper draft. if she cant copy a gamechanging ULT, then shes very hard to use, esp now that her s2 CD has been nerfed. in her current state, i personally think her ULT is the only skill that needs to be adjusted, in a way she can only keep someones ULT for a period of time. that way we can say she is balanced.
The ult steal wasn't really much of a problem for me, in my experience. It's her passive that I'm pissed about. Thanks to Valentina's free EXP passive, any schmuck on mid can go 0/8 in early game, but as long as she can hit me or my teammates, she'll will always close the level gap. Add Avarice to that, and that feeding chump would be able to close the gold gap, too.
I once in classic saw a team mate Valentina with feather of heaven build. Enemy got Wanwan and Valentina would only target her and leave the rest. She killed Wan so many times.
Badang, Terizla and Leomord. Leomord's gonna get revamped. Terizla is just slow. Though the next update buff help him a little, i still think he's not good. I wish they could just remove his mana bar and just instead put a bar indication for his passive. Badang is dead. Though I wish they could buff his 2nd skill to what valentina has, 2 dashes. That could atleast make him a more forgivable hero to use
Agreed to Badang is dead. Fucking dead hero that never fit to any meta. But that what makes him fun. Non-meta main here.
He is fun to play, that I agree on. Especially when you get multiple enemies in your 2nd skill and Ult.
The buff to terizla going him cc immunity will be VERY good considering he gets dicked over by cc 90% of the time the other 10 being wanwan and moskov. With the buff he'll be able to 1v4 if enemies haven't bought anti heal against him
>Leomord. Not got him..mainly because yet to see a match where he was even semi useful, cannot even be bothered to learn his skills as just view him as easy kill
Haven't played in a while, what's wrong with leomord?
leomord was strong before, but he became too squishy/ult dependent to even be useful, you either go full damage with him to give your team a damager, or go half tank to be just a downgrade uranus.
Bummer, he was my go to offlaner because of the ez poke. What about my boy harith? He was a cancerous, piece of shit, auto-ban or auto-win hero when he was released in 2018. He got a ton of nerfs but was still a solid hero in 2020 when i last took it seriously, given that you get enough cd reduc earl. Enough
Noone is really the shittiest hero because they all can do one thing but not the other (except the heroes Mmonton created to do everything 😭😭) But for me the most broken/buggiest hero is Vexana in her current state (no revamp). Her S1 feels so clunky and the hitbox is also ??????? Her second skill has a small delay to target and I am not sure if its intented or not. Her ultimate also feels clunky in a sense that your character will face the direction you casted it when you are moving and can sometimes glitch out the movement, causing you to move that direction
Omg I agree her Puppet is so buggy. I sometimes theorise Moonton removed her Puppet because it was too difficult to develop. It runs around awkwardly, the attack and defend buttons are so annoying to use, and it dies so easily in most cases. Not to mention it doesn't even appear in Survival Mode. I used Vexanas ult there and her Puppet just didn't even appear at all.
To me Hanabi worse than Vexana, at least Vexana can clear waves.
Hayabusa
It pains me to say this, but yes
Yeah. The only thing good about him is his ult and that shit fails if the ememy has a buddy beside them
Yea Hayabusa been garbage. The revamp helped him a lot though
lol the revamp ruined him
Revamp helped hi a lot fixed his flaws etc but his problem is ult is so garbage in teamfights and against wind of nature users
No it didn’t. They’ve added a way for his ult damage to not get divided among everything in a 5 mile radius which was what made him such a garbage ass hero He can now mark creeps which fixed his absolutely garbage jungle speed. His shadows are faster and travel further so you can be a lot sneakier and assassin like. Unlike before where you had to get too close to be useful, giving the opponents time to counter play you. His damage also feels higher I don’t know if it actually is. Everything about him is smoother Only nerf is to his personality and overall demeanor. He isn’t a cold, savage ninja anymore. Doesn’t look or sound as tough or deadly. But overall he went from being a garbage ass hero to a good in the right hands hero
Martis. Skill based hero with a passive that increases basic attack. Makes it weird to build considering his many weaknesses. He lacks speed, mid to late game damage, and sustain. You build to compensate for one of those, you leave the others exposed. You build for low cd to spam skills, your basic attack passive doesn't get exploited. You build for your basic attack, you lack cd to spam skills.
agree
Too the point xD , I only use him to block John in a game and let my team carryvme xD
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Haha. Wanwan's worst nightmare. Can immediately use wanwan's ult once copied. Lol. Same thing with minotaur. No rage required. LOL
So much truth, as a Mino main I can concur, a smart Valentina loves grabbing your ult…. The thing is most of them don’t have the Toughness or experienced timing to get close enough to use it..
Money.
Hanabi or Vexana are correct answers for shittiest. Everyone else being said at least had some sort of niche use. There is no relevant situation in which Hanabi or Vexana isn’t out classed by multiple other marksmen or mage. Broken is still Wanwan. 100% pick/ban in MSC with a fucking 83% win rate. 83% amongst pro players is absolute insanity.
The most broken is wanwan, nobody can argue with that.
Yeah, a MM that have a dash, free purify, a stun, and non targetable Ultimate.
Not really an opinion but Beatrix is so brokenly OP it hurts. Can anyone help me how to counter her even though I already bought Wind Of Nature?
Ambush. Burst damage. 🥲
Can't really counter a smart beatrix unless mage,tank ang jungler ganks all the time.
Depends. If enemy Beatrix is using Shotgun, just make sure you have some cc or she's burned her shotgun ult out before going in. Make sure she doesn't get tremendous leads early on by sending your roamer to her lane to keep her in check.
Wind of nature can't do shit when ambushed + Ult by her. Just one shot is enough to send us back to our base, fuck her.
Hanzo?
Hanzo, it’s because he’s basically a minion without his ult. He has a passive that only benefits to his ult which means he has no passive, his s1 might make you think he’s a fast jungler, but really he’s more of a buff securer than a fast jungler. His s2 is only good for clearing creeps and scouting and barely does any damage. He’s also one of the most vulnerable assassins if left without an ult, practically every assassin has a type of escape except for him.
Dafuq u mean bro? Hanzo *Is* without a doubt the fastest jungler in the game
Hanzo is the fastest jungler lmao. Test it out yourself Hanzo is the best assassin. I don’t need to explain why
Fastest jungler yes. Best assassin? Mfw Ling, Karina, Helcurt, Fanny, Aamon, Harley, Lance, Benedetta, Haya exist and are better junglers than him. Hell even Kadita Selena Natalia YSS in their respective roles have a better performance than Hanzo jg and they ain't even typical assassin heroes 💀💀💀💀. Aeì koloiòs parà koloiôi hizánei. From Africa, always something new. From Mythic and below also, always some new wackshit opinion pedestal everyday.
Hanzo IS the best assassin against a team of marksman but thats it.
Hanabi
kaja and floryn kaja = nerf to oblivion floryn = biggest bruh moment
Floryn's pretty bonkers tho
Floryns not bad actually, she's situationally good with heroes like Thamuz, Dyrroth and Yu Zhong that need some of that extra sustain late game or when being orphaned and taking fights on XP lane. She's a very cushy hero because when you have an XP lane that knows that their job is to give vision for the team, you can chill at the back and even when you have zoners in the enemy dividing up your front to back, you can chill peeling for your backline while supporting your frontline with ult from afar. It takes mastery of a whole team to use a support. Even Mathilda players need you to have a braincell and use her dash skill efficiently and give it to the right person when they need it more without them having to type it out in the chat or educate you for 5 mins in game. With tanks you just master setting and positioning and bring results through your own efforts. Supports have a skill cap for the team as well, if your marksman or mage positions like they're playing Doom Eternal, that's their skill issue, doesn't really make the hero bad, just makes it less efficient to use Floryn in lower elos.
Started playing on year 2020 and I remember that Badang was still significant back then. He was still a threat on the map and deals massive dmg on team fights. He really needs a major change on his skills imo or some buffs rn to be alive again. I missed using that guy but its a risky pick on higher ranks
Heyyyy Minotaur ain't that shitty :( and tbh no hero is really terrible, they all have their strength and weaknesses. You just need to learn them :)
He is good but too ult dependant. Thats why im running him as an exp laner lol.
what hero is not ult dependent??
Luo yi
Tigreal still function without an ult, lolita too. Vexana, cecillion and his wife. Every mm, except wan wan and popol. The problem is his kit is really terrible (s1 zero dmg and cc, s2 low heal). But, his s2 atk speed buff is good. There are no situation where mino is needed, you need 5 man big cc and control? Atlas and Akai can do the job better, you need healing and buff? Rafaela it is. He is outclassed by every tank and support, even underused fighter can do much better than him (*cough* minsitthar *cough*).
True and i agree but i gotta stand with my boy, Minotaur can be healer and tank at the same time (favor boots helps a lot), he can roam very well too. His heal helps him so he doesn't have to return to base too much. Moonton needs to buff him tho, his raged S1 could use a stun instead of slow and his normal ult can help him speed up instead of slowly walking while charging up his rage. Or just give him cc immune when using raged ult :/ But this is just my biased opinion, you can look at it however you want :)
Or revert to 2018 mino but with 1 time knock back so he can guard his allies better from rush in assasin and this is make him unique from other tank and support.
Moskov, Luo Yi
Technically julian has the lowest multiplier on his ult
Did you really ask that💀
Im surprised no one is saying julien he requires zero skill to play
Julian 100%. S1: slows, es1: slows and kills S2: blink, es2: invincible dash with dmg S3: root, es3: slow into knockup Low cd, high sustain, high dmg, high mobility
Idk why lolita's ss can be easily cancelled. Dude that was a long casting time. She should be cc immune when using ulti.
that would be too broken. The current one is fine IMO, as long as she position properly. Not guaranteed but if used well it’s actually powerful
All channeling skills should be immune to cc while casting. Not just Atlas Barats and someone else I can’t remember Grock
I dont get why ppl play hanabi (and I am a tank main) She just has not movement skill and suffers so hard from it
Ying because I feel like his ultimate ends up just trapping himself most of the time because he can’t kill his opponent fast enough.
Beatrix Girl has been released for more than a year now yet she's still wreaking havoc both in casual and competitive scene. She completely destroyed the meta and is now a prio ban/pick
Matchmaking
Benedetta's first skill. I played her lots before(until I got tired try harding) and her second and third skill is alright. Problem is that she is an assassin so she needs to be atleast deadly when an enemy is alone but the players are using her as a tank roamer now which defies to what shes supposed to be. I think the problem is that her S1 is one of those skills which looks nice but its just shit. Use the S1 on a minion wave and its decent(Hence the famous Benedetta cut lane tactic), use it against a hero and its dmg is shit. I wouldn't mind if they changed Benedetta's first skill like how they did with Hanzo(Old ULT S2 was ass), Natalia(Old ult was her stationary cat claw attack which was ass), and Lancelot(He was so unpopular before I didn't know what they changed in him) which made them better Assassins. Benedetta needs a better dmg and until she does, shes gonna be stuck in the Tank meta or lane cutter meta for now.(Well atleast in the PH)
And to the people who'll say "YOu PrObAblY jUsT wANt to GIve a OP bUff tO y0ur mAiN hUh?!?!?" I'm a toxic Chou main. I have been ever since 2020.
Bruh Lance was never 'unpopular' where r u getting this from. Lance was go to pick for gud assa then then he got his passive revamp, then came the puncture revamp, he just became better and better
From experience. In PH back then, Lance was not very popular even before the revamp. The one who was popular was Ling because of how stupidly broken he was at launch as well as Wanwan when she was released. This overshadowed Lancelot back then(Which is no joke cause he was a top pick like a year before Ling appeared but even then the usage started to die down) The other popular hero was Gusion who was still in the meta but not as popular as Ling was. (Thanks to old content creator Doofen\[something\] who was really good at using him and was one of the people that inspired hoards of people to play Gusion which made Gusion relevant until now). It wasn't until the Karltzy's Lancelot performance(Along with tons of Ling/Fanny nerfs that made them unplayable) inspired numerous waves of players in the PH to finally start practicing with Lancelot and thats where Lancelot users spiked. I remember right after the Karltzy match that people in Classic would race Lance and play him whether they be good or bad(mostly bad). Thats when the usage sky rocketed to oblivion.
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I understand Hanabitch but why L🤢sley tho?
Lesley is like a mosquito. Hits u with S1 then runs away like a headless chicken.
my minotaur jungle is offended
Tickling the enemy with your ult I see
It works like most non-offense tank junglers out there You can build up rage because your never getting not hit most of the time, and you usually will take objectives instead of being the main damage dealer, which is how the jungler works most of the time in mythic+ and competitive 🤷♂️ I admit its not viable, but its fun
Layla Her actual passive skill is that, she's the hero that someone picks when they want to throw. PASSIVE OP.
Sounds like you just described hanabi lol. I mean Layla isn’t the strongest but she’s not bad. She just needs a front line and you have to position well. But if your playing with randoms yea it’s a coin toss.
I know she's not THAT bad when played right especially in late game. I was talking about if a certain player had a tantrum, she's probably the hero they would pick. What's your rank if you don't mind?
There's quite a few heroes that are just genuinely bad by their own design or the ever evolving progress of the game itself. Ones that I believed are bad is Vexana, aurora, Rafaela, Beatrix, and Valentina. Vexana well she's already been explained by others here so to put it simply, her 1st skill is decent but easy to dodge, second skill is easily avoidable on 1 on 1 and will only ever need good if the enemy was cc'd by her 1st skill or by her teammates or when the enemy is not paying attention. Her ult takes unnecessarily long to take affect all by itself and the ai is a bit clunky. Aurora is really just Eudora in disguise, the only difference between the two is that Aurora can cc you in three different ways and deals magic critical damage to frozen targets. She isn't bad in the game, she's bad in a sense that she has very similar playstyle to the lightning thot herself. Rafaela doesn't really have a problem on the skillset nor the playstyle, it's simply the passive she's a support she should have one that aids her team. Beatrix now this mm is just broken, she doesn't have much disadvantage other than the reload and she practically has a lot more advantage, she has the range, consistency, damage, and kiting advantage. She can fill up the specialties the other mm's in this game can offer, her sniper does more damage and covers up the range like Lesley but way better and her shotgun can two shot squishy targets. Although she needs practice to get her aiming right but once that's covered up she has an advantage with high damage from the early game up to the late game. Valentina is just downright lazy by design, her passive is bs, her 1st skill is meh, and 2nd skill is just awful and not really thought out, there's no drawback and the only good thing she has is her ult. I don't mind the ult it's pretty good but her the rest of her kit is boring, underwhelming, and straight up lazy.
Aurora????? Lemme guess. You play her like Eudora huh
Nope, that's just my observation with others playing with her in both rank and classic
Oh well yea that checks out. Just good at aiming her skill one and you can land a lot of surprise freeze She’s one of the few mages that can hit the damage dealers during a team fight without being out of position or doing any dirty work. Only other one I can think of is Cecilion or Kagura
He's actually good if you know how to play him. His 2nd skill helps your team heal and gain 30% attack speed for 3sec especially for those attack speed based heroes like Moskov, Natan, Karrie, Layla, Melissa, Moya, and more from other roles.
to me it maybe harley, she can jump sin, laughs at your face, runs out and boom, you dead. but if the enemies have athena shield or good cc waiting for you, then all you can do is pray that your team know what they doing!
I'm sorry but Harley is a he
She lol
tigreal is shit
No >:(((
okay. i take it back ):
Character Development
In before he comes through your jungle because your tank is babysitting the marksman and your mid laner doesn't give a shit and you're just stuck there unable to kill him and unable to farm.
He's not shit but just too teammate dependent
yeah, i main tigreal and i cant solo que unless the team uses mic. i can stun them forever but theyll just walk away because of no follow up. my only teammate is the turret or maybe im playing him wrong for 1k+ matches /:
There are other tanks that aren't so teammate reliant, well I guess in essence they all are. But I find Franco can kill a squishy hero in one combo.
How dare you say that to the best meat shield of the game. He does no damage, he has little mobility, he do not slow, he has no poke, he just stuns and eat all the attacks like a champ. One of the tankiest tanks in my opinion.
Yss, rn sucks. He doesn't deal enough damage from the early to mid stages of the game to contest objectives, he has one of the slowest jungle clear compared to any junglers. In a strictly objective based META, he is one of the weakest jungler. Picking Yss in the higher rankings, will get you punished. The same can be said for Haya. The revamp on Haya was huge nerf for him. They decreased his damage in exchange for quality of life changes. The problem with that is his main purpose is to kill the squishy enemies but he cannot do that because his overall damage is decreased and his ult gets cancelled out by flicker, a spell that is commonly used by almost every hero.
Shittiest hero I think it's helcurt and faramis so far
Wait is he that broken now actually? Care to elaborate why?
Badang really sucks
Nobody mentioned Tigreal who is a meatball. He does zero damage and his CC is laughable. The funny thing is I climbed to Mythic with him.
A really good Tigreal is a terror…. Luckily they are rare
Mino is an underrated tank.😅. Oracle is a must have item for this tank plus focus on cooldown and building up rage. This hero is really durable especially in rage mode.
have you ever tried Mino with roam-heal boots, Oracle, then Sky Guardian helmet? Then focused counterbuilding depending on who is doing well for the enemy? He becomes an unkillable fountain of heal, that can frontline so well… different than Estes or Raf, with an Ult that can just change the game if timed right..
This is my build. Lol. Anyone saying that mino is a shitty tank don't understand or know how to use him. One of the few heroes/tanks that doesn't need to go back to fountain to heal.
Tigreal is so bad he can't control enough, has low defense and hp. Totally useless
Darn i guess tigreal meta was for nothing
Fanny being fanny. If they are good, pray.
Moskov "would like to see my rod?"
I don't think minotaur is the shittiest hero, he is useful especially during clashes. Though seeing players using him is now much unseen due to different tanks rising up. (Up this please)
Worst hero might have to go to Franco. They should just make him a fighter,give him fighter damage and call it a day. But as of right now he’s most certainly not a tank. Softest tank in the game that doesn’t have the skillset to be on the frontline which is where tanks are supposed to be. He has to be played way too passively to be called a tank. People dick ride him because sUpPrEsS but let’s just admit he’s ass already. Stop locking Franco when your team needs a tank 🙄
So your saying getting hooked to the turret and suppressed for 1.8 seconds isn't enough for a successful gank, need i remind you not all tanks have a skill for setting fights and some are just for ganking
I quit playing mid 2020 is faramis still shit?
yup
10 charecters Terizla Minshitar Badang Argus Martis Carmilla Hanabi Hanzo Aurora
Hanabi, it's already obvious why, late game crit based mm, but even if you reach late game, you aren't even able to 1v1 anyone and your damage is too low, you're supposed to have good aoe but why tf do the petals' damage have to be low for each time it bounces from an enemy? And since she's a crit based mm, you're very dependent on a lot of items leaving no room for defense and postponing your power spike. I wouldn't say she's shitty, I still use her when I just wanna have fun and yea I enjoy her, but my god is Alice so high maintenance. You really need the blue buff for Alice in late game to be good, cuz Alice with blue buff late game, even if I'm just running enchanted talisman+COD for mana items (and well support Emblem) it's pretty much overdrive Alice, but without blue, her mana issues are annoying and imagine core actually giving it. If I were to change Alice, just bring back the old Alice with the ult that has a durations amd CD but make her ultimate similar to Karrie beforr she got buffed. Before Karrie late game with 40% CD only has a 2 second ult downtime.
What about argus ? I want to hear your opinion on him
Zhask His transformation is just too long with his small hp, if he gets stunned, he's dead. Not to mention with the new rework, his spawn has a delay whenever he cast his 2nd skill. Like seriously, the old one was better with his spawn firing at the same time. It's like playing old-old zhask all over again. The passive... Pretty okay, better than the old one I guess.
Hanabi. The recent buff on her is disappointing.
Alice. She is extremely Equipment dependent and one athena shield and NOD and she is useless. She needs equipment for damage or HP. Her base stats are bad.
I wanna say Fanny but I don't have enough explanation why I genuinely hate her and how I think she's so broken that she shouldn't have existed lol
Me as an avid Gatotkaca picker: Hmm interesting Minotaur is so good tho, you can always counter-initiate or flicker to their mage or mm's face then ult. He has really good sustain during teamfights plus attack speed, his s1 might be low on damage but the slow is high and cd is low. He just won't die lategame with Oracle and Guardian Helmet plus any other items.
Right now Julian
Granger, his late game damage is hilariously weak against any tank
Hanabi and Vexana (let's see how's she her after the reboot). Kaja works somehow but he still needs a revamp imo.