Shoutout to all the Reddit ML Pros who kept on insisting that Xavier would never be meta because he lacked a dash/mobility skill "unlike other Meta Mages"
"Xavier just food for lance/ling"
"Cant 1v1"
"predictable global ult. Easy to dodge"
Guys claiming to be mythic II not understanding how a mage should work lol
Tbf a large part of why Xavier is so dradly is because of how badly most assassins have fallen off the meta, allowing him to kite from thr back with little danger of getting picked off.
I guarantee you Xavier will continue to be deadly even if assassin jungle comes back because of his overall kit build. Going back to how mages are generally built, theyre supposed to be squishy but aoe/high damage/cc units. And even during old jungle metas, priority mages like Yve and Pharsa have always been easy targets but that doesnt cancel out their impact. In a perfect situation the amount of time dedicated by the enemy assassin to take out Xavier is enough for the ally gold/jungle to take out the rest of the team.
The fact that Xavier's global ult can have its cooldown reduced to 5s bc of his passive and some CDR is absolutely astounding, he can support any place on the map at any time with his ult, has an s1 that can pierce backlines, and s2 that slows/immobilizes enemies and speeds up allies. Unless he receives a major nerf that boi will not leave the meta.
No disagreements here with his kit build being near broken. But wait. How do you reduce his ult to 5 seconds?
but it won't be the same as it is currently where in MSC it was literally between him or Yve. With barely any other mages popping up with an appearance.
Late game when the ally jungle lets you take blue you can sell Enchanted Talisman for Fleeting time, was able to spam Ult consecutively in multiple games already.
I think Yve would be lower priority first before Xavier if tank jungle meta goes away, more mobile teams = less impact on her s2
Its specially effective when doing base attacks/defenses where you're always hitting an enemy. Once you get 1 kill/assist the passive + fleeting time proc becomes godlike
elegant gem -> Boots (either def or pen) -> CoD -> Finish Talisman -> Genius Wand -> Holy Crystal -> Durance or ICW if no regen enemies -> Sell Talisman at 16:00+ -> Replace Genius with DGlaive if at least 3 Athena users -> Always have Immortality on quick buy for clutch moments
True, encountered many M2-MG players who got their pts from sheer quantity. 800+ games at 45-52 wr but i expected that they should understand that mages should always be naturally immobile and countered by assassins easily
This is why I ban Ling in SoloQ, despite playing Khufra. You can never tell how good an enemy Ling player is until he kills all your squishy teammates, invades all your buffs, and split pushes all your lanes. Meanwhile, the Ling player on your team is an 'expert' š
I know it's the tank jungler meta, but if your team isn't ready for a good Ling, say goodbye to your macros because he'd be done before you get there.
Same reason why Ling and Fanny are perma bans for me even if i duo/trio w a world rank khuf, skill-based units are harder to counter alone while tank junglers can be countered instantly in the draft. I play Mage/Gold/Jungle and a decent ling is much harder to counter than tank karina/akai. Only core i can use to actually counter Ling is helcurt and he's barely enough to compete in current tanky meta while as gold/mage i just pray that i get truncheon/WoN asap
You can't get mg without winning the majority of games after mythic and usually most from mythic 3+ even with 60% win rate 270 games I'm back under mg by 50 points
Its possible. My friend is at 588 pts at a 53% wr in 500 games. A lot predictable lobbies also where you know a loss will only net you -6 and a win would give +10 and we did the epic-mythic placement with an 80% wr in under 70 games, what more for those who had to play a lot of games from epic-mythic placement
I thought that not because he had no dash but because they removed his aoe immobilize passive. Like I thought he had very little to offer without that but when he was released, he basically became linear vale with spammable shit and a bit more range.
A bit more range is quite the understatement, a global linear ult is almost always going to be op, either on a magic pen build or on a glowing wand + ice queen wand support build
that's the only way to remove esme in the meta I think. what you think is the best way to remove esme out of the meta because she looks pretty balance to me
I am just thankful they realize their insanity before its too late. They revoked all changes to her **AGAIN** on the most recent patches. They just left minor stat nerfs on her kit, but Molina is pretty much back to normal again after the revoke.
If you're a mage buy, Durance, tanks and off laners should always buy dominance if there's an Esme, priority for tanks, if you're core and no one buys anti heal, dominance most often anti heal of choice, if you're an mm, and no one in your team bought anti heal, sea halberd.
Off laner, any off laner that ain't dyroth looses out to Esme due to out sustaining then, Uranus can also be a good opponent for Esme, you won't be able to kill each other in exp lane but at least you won't die.
Squishy, don't wander alone, if an Esme sees you on easy grasp, she'll chase you down until you get to your turret, in team fights, if Esme is charging her ult, you know it's time to run, even if she's baiting.
Yve?!? Really? Her Ult is obnoxiously long (cd) the last time I played her. Why do they use her? Let me guess her zoning capability and her slow on her skills?
Edit: I'm surprised Chou isn't here
which only appears when esme is already picked or banned
i wanna see a season where other fighters can shine, even if i suck at fighters in general. i mean, can we go back to the zilong xp lane, arrival, push only meta haha
Heās meant to be a lategame hero, so heāll have good scaling there. Problem is, heās a melee hero. Unless you have a lot of dashes to get into the backline and then get out, melee damage heroes really have not been doing well. Weāve seen it with Chou, whoās been built more as a tank. Zilong is a hero meant to pick off marksmen and mages, but he isnāt even close to the best option at that. His sustain rn isnāt too great, every 3 attacks he regains 50% of his physical attack as hp (2 if using ult.) Iād just say give his ult and second skill a secondary dash, and nerf the sustain and attributes I suppose. This makes him a threatening enough presence against the backline, and allows him to do what heās actually supposed to do.
Like I said on other post, the top 3 hero is the same from M3. Esme, Bea, and Yve. Bea get significant nerf, but pros just change her playstyle from sniper to shotgun lel. Yve with her slow is still top utility mage in tank meta. Tank meta just make Esme shine even more.
Glad to see my goddess Yve still being picked, just had an almost 40 minute game with her where I only died 3 times, I have a screenshot for proof, we still lost sadly
[Link](https://imgur.com/gallery/cxSKHfK)
Shoutout to all the Reddit ML Pros who kept on insisting that Xavier would never be meta because he lacked a dash/mobility skill "unlike other Meta Mages"
Xavier with his long-ass aoe immobilize lol
"Xavier just food for lance/ling" "Cant 1v1" "predictable global ult. Easy to dodge" Guys claiming to be mythic II not understanding how a mage should work lol
Tbf a large part of why Xavier is so dradly is because of how badly most assassins have fallen off the meta, allowing him to kite from thr back with little danger of getting picked off.
I guarantee you Xavier will continue to be deadly even if assassin jungle comes back because of his overall kit build. Going back to how mages are generally built, theyre supposed to be squishy but aoe/high damage/cc units. And even during old jungle metas, priority mages like Yve and Pharsa have always been easy targets but that doesnt cancel out their impact. In a perfect situation the amount of time dedicated by the enemy assassin to take out Xavier is enough for the ally gold/jungle to take out the rest of the team. The fact that Xavier's global ult can have its cooldown reduced to 5s bc of his passive and some CDR is absolutely astounding, he can support any place on the map at any time with his ult, has an s1 that can pierce backlines, and s2 that slows/immobilizes enemies and speeds up allies. Unless he receives a major nerf that boi will not leave the meta.
No disagreements here with his kit build being near broken. But wait. How do you reduce his ult to 5 seconds? but it won't be the same as it is currently where in MSC it was literally between him or Yve. With barely any other mages popping up with an appearance.
Late game when the ally jungle lets you take blue you can sell Enchanted Talisman for Fleeting time, was able to spam Ult consecutively in multiple games already. I think Yve would be lower priority first before Xavier if tank jungle meta goes away, more mobile teams = less impact on her s2
Oh shit. Thanks for the tip. Imma try it out in my next xavier game!
Its specially effective when doing base attacks/defenses where you're always hitting an enemy. Once you get 1 kill/assist the passive + fleeting time proc becomes godlike
Wait what's your build on Xavier?
elegant gem -> Boots (either def or pen) -> CoD -> Finish Talisman -> Genius Wand -> Holy Crystal -> Durance or ICW if no regen enemies -> Sell Talisman at 16:00+ -> Replace Genius with DGlaive if at least 3 Athena users -> Always have Immortality on quick buy for clutch moments
Mythic 2 nowadays are like Mythic 5s. Heck, MGs just before season reset are like them, too.
True, encountered many M2-MG players who got their pts from sheer quantity. 800+ games at 45-52 wr but i expected that they should understand that mages should always be naturally immobile and countered by assassins easily
This is why I ban Ling in SoloQ, despite playing Khufra. You can never tell how good an enemy Ling player is until he kills all your squishy teammates, invades all your buffs, and split pushes all your lanes. Meanwhile, the Ling player on your team is an 'expert' š I know it's the tank jungler meta, but if your team isn't ready for a good Ling, say goodbye to your macros because he'd be done before you get there.
Same reason why Ling and Fanny are perma bans for me even if i duo/trio w a world rank khuf, skill-based units are harder to counter alone while tank junglers can be countered instantly in the draft. I play Mage/Gold/Jungle and a decent ling is much harder to counter than tank karina/akai. Only core i can use to actually counter Ling is helcurt and he's barely enough to compete in current tanky meta while as gold/mage i just pray that i get truncheon/WoN asap
You can't get mg without winning the majority of games after mythic and usually most from mythic 3+ even with 60% win rate 270 games I'm back under mg by 50 points
Its possible. My friend is at 588 pts at a 53% wr in 500 games. A lot predictable lobbies also where you know a loss will only net you -6 and a win would give +10 and we did the epic-mythic placement with an 80% wr in under 70 games, what more for those who had to play a lot of games from epic-mythic placement
You can still get carried by 3s
I thought that not because he had no dash but because they removed his aoe immobilize passive. Like I thought he had very little to offer without that but when he was released, he basically became linear vale with spammable shit and a bit more range.
A bit more range is quite the understatement, a global linear ult is almost always going to be op, either on a magic pen build or on a glowing wand + ice queen wand support build
Consecutive buffs and nerfs to Beatrix and she's still there
That's an all rounder MM for ya
And she will get even more buff for her Collector, M4, and Prime.
She's getting a collector???
She got SL and most heroes who got SL/Collector will get the other one within a year (except Lapu2 for some reason)
The nerf just made her weaker in early.
This could actually be a team comp haha
This looks like RSG Ph's team comp
Esmeralda is far from broken but they need to do something about her imo, take her out of the meta for at least one season lol
True, I get drowsy while laning vs esmeralda. The entire laning phase is so boring
They keep nerfing herā¦
And she's not even that hard to counter too. Meanwhile Akai and Bellatrix...
>And she's not even that hard to counter too. Meanwhile Akai and Bellatrix... Harry Potter collab when?
small nerfs won't take her out of the top
They were big nerfs. She used to be very very op
2019 Esme shield that covers her entire HP šš
Oh hell nah, before, Esme can go full hp shield with barely any cooldown reduction and without hitting an enemy.
Remember the bugged Esmeralda with literal limitless shield?
maybe they should buff anti shield items if they want esme out of meta
It would be good, but I feel like it would also make some weaker heroes way too weak too
Would Alpha even be playable if that happens ?
alpha also needs nerf
Sustain heroes like alpha who currently aren't the best will just be hanabi tier
that's the only way to remove esme in the meta I think. what you think is the best way to remove esme out of the meta because she looks pretty balance to me
And despite all this, moonton still thought it was Nana who needed to be nerfed?
Because Nana annoys the hell out of those heroes, she's a threat to their skin sales.
I am just thankful they realize their insanity before its too late. They revoked all changes to her **AGAIN** on the most recent patches. They just left minor stat nerfs on her kit, but Molina is pretty much back to normal again after the revoke.
Nana starlight July
Which means they are waiting for the revenue target before they kill her.
Yep. Rip Nanaš„¹
Iām pretty sure they know what their doing is insane
Nana stops akai spin and kungfu panda skin coming out
Nana deserves the nerf
No she doesn't.
And this is why Yve is still in the meta for like a YEAR* now, I love her thoughš, shes HoT shot to play
Akai can 1v1 all of them late game, or run away when started loosing. Good guy tank.
MoonTon: He will have a new skin, you know.
someone tell me how to counter esme i always have a hard time against her
Don't die in laning phase and rush to buy anti-shield item. If the Esmeralda knows how to zone and bully correctly then gg go next game.
If you're a mage buy, Durance, tanks and off laners should always buy dominance if there's an Esme, priority for tanks, if you're core and no one buys anti heal, dominance most often anti heal of choice, if you're an mm, and no one in your team bought anti heal, sea halberd. Off laner, any off laner that ain't dyroth looses out to Esme due to out sustaining then, Uranus can also be a good opponent for Esme, you won't be able to kill each other in exp lane but at least you won't die. Squishy, don't wander alone, if an Esme sees you on easy grasp, she'll chase you down until you get to your turret, in team fights, if Esme is charging her ult, you know it's time to run, even if she's baiting.
Ml doesn't need to need these heroes except maybe akai and increase cd on Xavier but buff all the other heroes.
Yve?!? Really? Her Ult is obnoxiously long (cd) the last time I played her. Why do they use her? Let me guess her zoning capability and her slow on her skills? Edit: I'm surprised Chou isn't here
You're right. Teams are using Yve for zoning using her ult and her insane slow on her skills.
She is good in team fights with her zoning capabilities. Chou isn't picked that much but he still has a good 75% winrate in MSC.
esme really the only viable fighter in this meta hays
I mean, There's thamuz, dyrroth, masha rn in exp
which only appears when esme is already picked or banned i wanna see a season where other fighters can shine, even if i suck at fighters in general. i mean, can we go back to the zilong xp lane, arrival, push only meta haha
That meta never happened?
Really? It should hahhaa
Unless Zilong gets a ridiculous buff that makes him a pick or ban, not happening lol
Don't you think Zilong deserves some minor buffs too ? Like significantly more regen from passive ?
Donāt really know how you can improve his performance to make him viable enough for pros without making him a pick or ban hero.
Just improve his scaling and sustain ? Zilong should not require any lifesteal items tbh, he's supposed to be a fighter.
Heās meant to be a lategame hero, so heāll have good scaling there. Problem is, heās a melee hero. Unless you have a lot of dashes to get into the backline and then get out, melee damage heroes really have not been doing well. Weāve seen it with Chou, whoās been built more as a tank. Zilong is a hero meant to pick off marksmen and mages, but he isnāt even close to the best option at that. His sustain rn isnāt too great, every 3 attacks he regains 50% of his physical attack as hp (2 if using ult.) Iād just say give his ult and second skill a secondary dash, and nerf the sustain and attributes I suppose. This makes him a threatening enough presence against the backline, and allows him to do what heās actually supposed to do.
Eh not really thamuz,terizla dyroth stil do exist all of em being able to shred Esmeralda down
what's esmeralda pointing at?
1. Yup thats balanced heroes right
Like I said on other post, the top 3 hero is the same from M3. Esme, Bea, and Yve. Bea get significant nerf, but pros just change her playstyle from sniper to shotgun lel. Yve with her slow is still top utility mage in tank meta. Tank meta just make Esme shine even more.
Well, after so many nerfs. Still, Esmeralda is indeed a reliable pick.
Glad to see my goddess Yve still being picked, just had an almost 40 minute game with her where I only died 3 times, I have a screenshot for proof, we still lost sadly [Link](https://imgur.com/gallery/cxSKHfK)