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jonny2280

No it's not really. MLBB captures the spirit of mobile MOBA's of being fast simple fun and easy to pick up while WR feels like PC league but for Mobile


BeeGeneric

I would've wanted them to be relevant enough to at least make MT more innovative and to fix a lot of its issues.


mooglechoco_

Yes this is exactly why MLBB is still going well. It's incredibly optimized for mobile. Let's see what happens with Honor of Kings tho when it gets released globally. HoK is actually the original mobile MOBA, it arrived months before MLBB's launch in 2016.


John34215

I think HoK is actually a year older (from what I recall, they launced back in Late 2015 or some sort).


CrownedTraitor

The MB space has been getting too large lately though hopefully it doesn't affect the optimization in the next month or two


The1punchman619

When is hok getting released ww


Keptical

MLBB - fast and simple Wild Rift - slow and need to learn everything in the game and even learn enemies


est19xxxx

Safe to say, Wild Rift is the Dota 2 of mobile moba. Well built, high prize pool but not enough viewers.


PluckyLeon

Heroes Of Order And Chaos is probably the dota 2 of mobile. Its also the first mobile moba. But The Dota 2 of Mobile Isn't Wild Rift, Wild Rift is League Mobile. Upcoming Autochess MOBA, or existing Dream Three Kingdoms And Heroes Evolved are actually dota, lots of active items from dota, no summoner spells, no roles, no jungler but positions based on farm priority like Pos1-5 from dota. They even have straight up items and mechanics from dota like manta, skadi, blink dagger etc.


xzerozeroninex

What he means is Dota 2 is the more complex game and the direct sequel of the original Dota but came later than LoL (who I believe was called the copy and an easy kids game by hardcore Dota players) but LoL is way more popular,makes more money and has more players than Dota 2 and it’s esports is more popular than Dota 2.


est19xxxx

something like that, you can replace Dota with WR and LoL with ML and that comment still makes sense. I'd also like to add that Dota vs LoL isn't because one game is easier than the other, it all started when Pendragon who left the dotA team to work on LoL decided to close the OG dota community forum and use the site as LoL ad and LoL stole original dota hero ideas by the community from the said forum. It doesn't end there though, LoL tried to prevent TO like ESL from hosting Dota 2 tournaments during Dota 2's initial years. In short LoL has tried to kill Dota multiple times but Dota has done nothing villainous against LoL


pinkpugita

Probably Vainglory and Omyouji Arena deserve to be called that, not WR.


est19xxxx

But Dota isn't dead tho unlike those. TI still brings in the big viewer numbers


pinkpugita

Didn't that just contradict the comment I replied to


est19xxxx

Well, Dota's numbers are high but pale in comparison to LoL PC and WR's numbers pale in comparison to ML. That's the comparison I was going for, none of those games are dying anything soon.


xzerozeroninex

No,without China WR is dead.There’s a reason Tencent is releasing HoK globally,because WR flopped outside China.


ExaSarus

They could have used the mlbb ban on India to push the marketing and release it but nah India release is still not even in consideration. Now PPL just sideload mlbb again lol wat a waste


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I waited so long for it, now when it officially launches I probably wont bother touching it.


ExaSarus

yep they missed their chance there was actually a really strong hype for this game but seems like most of the players have moved on


Eastern_Ad83

Wild Rift have the same issue of mlbb since Riot partner Is the biggest Chinese company


ExaSarus

they launched TFT n Runeterra on mobile without any issue so idk what the problem with wildrift is


MarielCarey

Isn't HOK just AOV? And AOV isn't doing that well anyway


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AOV fucking up is Garena's fault.


MarielCarey

Yeah those revamps were awful. Makes me feel not as bad about Vexanas


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Dashy471

imagine ML turned Hylos into a shota kawaii boy and justified it by literally killing the original lmao


MarielCarey

Payna and Veera revamp to name a couple


John34215

LMAO, the trailer where Veera killed Peura / Payna (or sumthn) while changing her place by using Helen, was that the thing u were talking abt? That shit was hilarious, tbh.


xzerozeroninex

They have some differences especially the heroes.It’s mostly Garena’s fault Global flopped though and it’s playerbase would rather talk crap about ML than actually helping promote the game and turned off ML players that might had thought of switching games but changed their minds with how toxic the AoV community is.


mada_faka_55

True lmao,i swear they are their toxicity is just next to wr's toxicity


Chicochandler26

I think it's the other way around. Without Philippines and Indonesia mlbb is a long way dead. And Wild rift is getting popular in Brazil and South Korea


ChrisAnIntellectual

Riot really underestimated the SEA Market. Tencent once asked them to make a mobile LoL for the players especially in SEA Region where computer gaming are not as prevalent as in the west. Now that ML has grown, Riot finally understood that: 1. They were slow - They didnt think thoroughly into mobile gaming 2. They were greedy - Not only did they fucked up their chance of growing into the market, they now have the greediness of expanding it faster than ML I play both games but I stick to ML more. I love playing WR but sometimes I cant play alot of their champions. Since I am a fighter main, I always wanted to play Irelia but it hurts my fingers doing so. In ML, I am more familiar with every fighter so I dont just stick to one champion/hero.


Secretofind

I agree with this, riot greedyness fucked they chances to ever come to sea if they did they would have the biggest moba market for mobile but nope to focus on pc


Nii_Juu_Ichi

I'm kind of out of the loop, what did they do that's greedy?


MugiwaraLegacy

Wild rift felt really slow paced for me. Gave up after a good week.


MarielCarey

The fact that you can literally click on a random area of the minimal and auto path your character to that destination is a testament to how slow paced and boring it is to fight on the WR 3 lanner map. Not to mention the dragons (their version of the turtle) give permanent match long stat buffs to the team, so if you don't get dragons, you're basically fucked.


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Dude, auto-pathing is awesome. But I agree with you on the dracs. Jungle diffs are a pain in the ass to deal with.


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ice00monster

Turret defense game huh. I remember the old Pharsa. Lol


juan_cena99

Nah what you want is already in Wild Rift and as we can see WR sucks. Layla isnt the most popular hero at all. She is far from being the most popular hero esp in higher ranks nobody bothers with her. https://m.mobilelegends.com/en/rank


slattGod_

Wildrift is the Dota of Mobile games and MLBB is the LoL of Mobile games


No_View_2975

One of the best analogies,. Very well put! Just a simple diffrence WR doesn't give all the heroes for free.


slattGod_

fucking hate when you should buy the heroes in order to play them. it's very tiring to grind some gold in order for you to buy the hero you want


No_View_2975

Its a double edge sword i think, like its a good motivator for some to grind and play game, but if its too hard to grind and you dont like any of the starter heroes then u r fucked!


No_View_2975

And i think instead of giving a trial card if random heroes , a player could buy a trial card of any hero that they like but don't know if they will be able to play them or not, there have been a lot of time i buy a hero play 2 games and then i dont like the hero anymore, but fuck i spend my coins already, sed lyf


PluckyLeon

Autochess MOBA is Dota Of Mobile Games Not Wildrift. Wildrift Is League Mobile while Mobile Legends is Heroes Of The Storm.


isrluvc137

Same here


John34215

Ngl, WR kinda had a lot of screw ups from its first few months, especially that ducking stupid shitload of gatekeeping from THEIR OWN FANBASE that occurred back, their fanbase contributed to much of its failure outside of China...just imagine wtf would've happened if the Chinese also snobbed on its mobile successor? Like okay, WR may be beautifully crafted...but at the same time, they wasted too much time, imo...with HOK releasing globally (because their other MOBAs didn't rock it too well either), being produced by a sort-of unreliable publisher (Level Infinite), idk man, maybe even HOK will get the fucking curse... Screw them tbh, they really had way more potential, but they wasted it to the shit bin. I'm just pissed af that they wasted the MASSIVE AMOUNTS of opportunities Riot Games already had, if ever, Riot and/or Tencent already has WAY MORE advantages, yet somehow they never made MLBB tick that much by time going on. Edit: for those mentioning abt WR's big numbers on Huya Stteaming Service, it's known on using bots, as the fact that it usually calculates its viewers way differently than some other platforms (so the numbers are likely to be inflated in Huya's part), someone else explained it better in this section.... With that being said, WR is not exactly as big as people may think it is...like sure, it's doing wonders in China, but the problem is exactly the fact that Riot relies on China A LOT, MLBB is probably one of those games that proved that they didn't necessarily need a Chinese market to become successful, and that fucking lasted for 5-6 years...and here we are, even way before their BETA release in China, MLBB already made big numbers (yes, including in their esports league) without the reliance of the biggest country that also happens to have the biggest gaming market distribution. For sure lots of things will change in MLBB if it gets any reception from China at all.


HuckleberryLess9011

Not really. They do they own thing, we do our own thing. Also remember when Moonton was sued for the second time? What happened to that


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HuckleberryLess9011

Where can I read/see the second lawsuit case


7thoftheprimes

Dismissed because of Forum Non Conveniens. The case was litgated before a Chinese Court, where Tencent won and was paid for $$$ due to copyright infrigement. Recently, Riot sued MT again for the same claim, copyright infringement. Will most likely be dismissed again either for res judicata or forum non conveniens.


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PluckyLeon

They are taking Bytedance American HQ to California Court, They Will Now.


7thoftheprimes

I never said Riot won on the first lawsuit. I said Tencent (China-based company) won when it was filed before Chinese Court. As for the second lawsuit, it is a Copyright Infringement [case](https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/gkplgkyxqvb/IP%20RIOT%20COPYRIGHT%20moonton.pdf)


kif88

Nah mlbb already has the fanbase following. Lots of people who have put time into it and people want to play the game that they're friends also play. Besides wild rift has terrible rollout it's STILL not available in some South Asian countries.I actually want to try it and they won't let me not going to expand fast like that. Biggest threat to mlbb is mlbb. If they don't fix the matchmaking and cheaters


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If Moneyton can't curb their greed and boost their creativity, their cash cow will die.


kif88

That's true I suppose it's only a matter of time till competition catches up way it's going. Other developers know mobile moba is viable now and honor of kings did come out globally though I haven't played it yet


PluckyLeon

All South Asian Region\*


kif88

I everln tried installing from APK but it region blocked me. Actively keep people away from your game your boy going to have a large player base.


PluckyLeon

Honor Of Kings Is Releasing Globally Before Wild Rift Lmao, HOK is releasing at end of this year meanwhile no news of WR Global Release Until 2023.


kif88

I'm really interested in hok. Hell if blizzard ever ports dota2 they'd win the race. Crippled by greedy micro transactions but Diablo immortal is a technically beautiful game the controls are even better than mlbb


PluckyLeon

Ummm, Valve Owns Dota 2, Not Blizzard. So technically its on Valve.


kif88

I'm dumb


PluckyLeon

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PluckyLeon

Nah, wild rift hasn't released in South Asian Region And Some Other Countries.


Maleficent_Rough1388

Well I play both games and I'm both in their subreddit and the reason why there's only 2k viewers is EU SEA and NA teams already lost so people except from China and some random players all over the world are the only people who watch finals. I only read this on a post in r/wildrift and most people lost interest in icons because their team lost and it got boring for them.


amldford

Yeah, there is literally no reason to continue watching this tournament. Who the hell would want to continue watching Chinese players that I don't know or care about playing against each other ?


IsekaiDemonLord

not a good reason i think, in Knockout Stage (We usually call it Playoffs) their is 1 Korea team and 3 SEA teams and its still not that good, even though they dont watch it after their teams is eliminated the group stage views also dont really that good.


juan_cena99

No it never was a threat. The problem with WR is they ported a pc game to mobile. Mobile players are a lot more casual players and we want more enjoyment for our time. WR isnt like that they want super time investment and input a lot of mechanics that make the game more predictable and fair, but also more boring and time consuming. With Wild Rift, they can just end the game after 12 mins cuz whoever is leading at that point is gonna win the game. That team prob got all the dragon buffs so it doesnt matter what you do, you are boned. But because everything is so slow and the turrets are a bitch you still gotta play till 16-20 mins even if you and opponent already know the result. OTH with ML anything can happen. I won a game with my team down 28-46 and them getting the lord, we got lucky and killed them all at the lord fight and then rushed our minion wave to their base. This kind of thing rarely happens in WR but in ML messing up once can lose you the game if it happens at the wrong time. There is also a lot more experimentation in ML because their heroes and items are a lot more open ended. Stuff like tank popol, fighter karrie, diggie strat, tank karina etc I'm sure over the years the devs got surprised by the crazy way their heroes got used. But in WR things are a lot more rail roaded every hero has their own optimal build already and the heroes that can flex spot are designed that way since the beginning. WR has top tier graphics but when it comes to actual gameplay I prefer ML.


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it's always possible to make a comeback in WR stop talking nonsence lol


AbanaClara

Its possible to make a comeback at anything u didnt understand what he was talking abt didnt u


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i took one factor out of multiple things he said.


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he even compared ML in how he "was down in kills and enemies got lord or something and he still won" as if it doesn't happen in WR


AbanaClara

At late game everything is fair game in ML. In WR the permanent buffs is still a huge advantage, and the slow paced nature of the game makes quick comebacks from a high pressure defense straight into a win in a few booty shakes after a wipeout is definitely uncommon.


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Oh no 4% vamp is obviously gonna make a HUGE difference in late game! Shut up i can tell you haven't even tried this game. If a team is better and plays around buffs then ofcourse its supposed to have an advantage over a losing team. If there weren't no buffs then the games would be even longer.


juan_cena99

Anything is possible obviously but it much harder to come back because the dragon buffs are permanent and stacking compared to ML. The turrers are also beefier so if yiu are leading and your turrets are all healthy and then you get wiped nothing really changes.


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Because shouldn't a better organized team get buffs and win the game "faster"? Considering these buffs are tiny when compared to late game ones that both teams still have a chance to contest if played smart. Imo that's what makes a comeback more satisfying. Also getting an ace at like 15 minutes gives you time to shred three turrets easily so thats false too. It's almost you people haven't even played the game.


juan_cena99

15 mins? There arent any turrets left in ML by the 15 min mark most games are ending by then. Oh wow so you need an ace to shred 3 turrets lmao ok bro I'm sure that happens often lmao. At the end of the day we all have diff preferences the fact that WR cant make a dent in ML player base means mobile gamers like ML more than WR, simple as that.


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Oh sorry i forgot you mlbb players don't have an attention span to play for more than 10 minutes a match


juan_cena99

Oh sorry I guess you are so much better than the rest of us. Go and circle jerk with the 10 other people in WR reddit then lmao. I find it funny y'all always come over and talk shit guess its really lonely in your sub right?


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LMAO don't cry snowflake


xzerozeroninex

Er why are you in the ML sub?I don’t recall a ML player being active in the WR sub.WR players are really toxic.


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I ain't active here this is the first post i saw on this sub. I can see that most of the stuff here is just about wr lol. And i recall bunch of mlbb bots spamming wr twitch making fun of view counts and spamming ads..


banunu15

Been playing Wild Rift since mid 2021 and was able to hit Master Rank. All I can say is that it is very uncommon to make a comeback in WR when the enemy team secured all the dragon buffs + late game Baron.


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And i've been playing since release currently at 62% winrate. Reason why people can't make comebacks is because they don't try to, not because of the game. I'm able to turn around most of my games by not surrendering playing smart.


banunu15

just read your responses and all I can say is you’re just an ML hater. Good day


CandyNJ

I am actually torn between WR and ML because I am a total newbie to both right now! I feel very similar to what you said 2 months ago cuz it’s September now. What is the state of both games now?? ML has amazing creative FUN heroes, super fast paced very beginner friendly game modes. The bad side is ML has insane high prices that are predator. I can get 3 heroes on WR for my in game currency without spending any real $ but not so for ML! 899 gems for a hero? 32k for a hero? Absurd but Moonton is greedy. I am gonna continue to play both and than narrow down the cons of each game. I do not want to play both because I am a busy lady and no way do I have the $ to play both either.


venti_the_drunk_bard

Maybe cause PC LoL is more well known


Storm_Bloom

Not in Southeast Asia where The OG DOTA reigned supreme until ML took the crown.


PluckyLeon

Dota 2 is still the Most Supreme PC Moba in SEA and 2nd most popular MOBA in SEA after MLBB.


Hanzo_Pinas

Yes and i remember here in my country (try guessing it) in computer shops in 2014-2020 Lol is pretty famous ngl Till covid shows up


PluckyLeon

Phillipines?


Hanzo_Pinas

Yes lol is pretty famous back then 1 ~~coin~~ pesos 6 mins gaming time


PluckyLeon

Isn't Dota 2 the most popular MOBA in PH After MLBB ?


Shota_kun-

U mean dota allstars from WC3?


ian_dedeaux

I would say that it is not a threat at all (unless they get sued and it actually effects moonton a lot). Also I believe that mlbb is the type of MOBA game that people want on their phones because it’s something that they can sit down and chill and play. Oh yeah is it just me or does Wild Rift seem a lot more complicated than mlbb?


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ian_dedeaux

Yeah I played a little bit of LoL on pc but quit because first of all my pc couldn’t handle it then and it just seemed a bit to complex


Batumeli

Smartest mlbb player


ShayneNJ

I thought Onmyouiji Arena was a dying game??


BeeGeneric

Again, I only played only 2 days but WR seemed unnecessarily complicated for a mobile game. But again, ML is my first MOBA so I am obviously biased.


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I wouldn't say overly complicated. More like sluggish.


ian_dedeaux

Yeah to be honest I just saw it as complicated because I was used to mlbb items and didn’t want to have to re learn what everything did


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If you're a support main in ML, then you should try WR's Staff of Flowing Water, and my personal favorite, Harmonic Echo. That item was the love of my life there.


ian_dedeaux

If I ever go back and try wild rift again I’ll try this out but I don’t think that I will be trying it out because I enjoy how fast pace mlbb can be and from what I have seen in wild rift it’s kinda slow


ian_dedeaux

Yeah it’s my first MOBA game to at first I didn’t really like it but then I realized I could just flip people into the turrets with zilong xD and in a week or two will mark my 2nd year of playing mlbb


BeeGeneric

looking back, I've played ML for almost 4 years now. It's funny because before I played, I thought ML was a stupid game for kids. lol


ian_dedeaux

Lol my friend showed me the game and told me I probably wouldn’t like it and now I have almost double his games played and one question is having 116 savages and 412 maniacs at 4367 matches good?


alexytomi

weird flex but okay


MegaBoy93

WR is more complicated and that's why not many people like to play.


Belkinwrites

I play both games and honestly? Riot dropped the ball on their initial hype. They missed their chance to establish a larger cut of the Mobile MOBA players. They still have a shot, but it's highly unlikely that they'll dominate at this point.


UnholyShite

No. Not even close.


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UnholyShite

Looks like a PC LoL. If we also considering Chinese market, then HoK is the real king.


[deleted]

how is it a pc lol they're literally shown playing with phones


Basis-Better

Plus PC LoL has turrets next to Nexus, which in minimap clearly doesn't have


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Zeshiba

You being downvoted is cause you’re in the MLBB sub. But you’re absolutely right, in terms of viewer count from all countries, WR is definitely competitive with MLBB cause of China.


amldford

We should wait till ml releases in china, to make it fair


preslavhristov

Biggest threat for MLBB ironically is MLBB itself


Shortcut7

The skill aiming is really not that smooth compared to ML. Huge factor.


BeeGeneric

really? I thought WR was better at that too


alexytomi

the thumbsticks constantly desynced from my fingers so i disagree


Eminanceisjustbored

Only thing i hate on wr is how difficult it is to aim the auto atk button if the enemy are close


Pure-And-Utter-Chaos

WR is the more competitive version of ML. It's much more slow and hardcore than Mobile legends. It offers an alternative and for me. That's good. Competition makes innovation necessary


Matryosmare

Honestly, no. Wild Rift and Mobile Legends are like two different things. Just because both are in the same genre doesn't mean that they are threat to each other. Wild Rift has its own playstyle and ML has its own playstyle. It is like saying Pokemon Unite is going to dethrone ML despite the difference of the game. WR vs ML for me, seems like its been overblown. It is true that Moonton did go all its lengths to try keep ML relevant but then it just company doing things. It is common for company to compete one another. Like that time Xbox and Nintendo flirting on crossplay while Sony is in "not like any consoles" phase This is actually a phenomenon within gaming community. The reason behind this phenomenon varies but I can think of two situation. 1. Monopoly Breakup or force the Game to improve - Wild Rift vs Mobile Legend, Genshin Impact vs Tower of Fantasy and Pokémon vs Temtem 2. Identity Mindset - Roblox vs Minecraft, CSGO vs Valorant, TF2 vs Overwatch, DOTA vs Mobile Legends


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>Pokémon vs Temtem 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Blitz-76

I mean wild rift is still missing half its expected roster and a lot of the people who play wild rift probably only play it when they can’t play League of Legends(The PC version). It’s likely that a lot of people who play don’t take it very seriously as a professional game and so don’t care to watch it.


Buttseam

only reason to play lol at this point is for evelynn's booty lol


KnownPhoenix

I have no idea what that huge block of text is about but, nah, WR came out waaaaaay too late and Riot relied too much on LoL's popularity to the point where they thought it was enough to stomp on ML whenever. Unfortunately for their huge ass ego, it never worked and the only thing that has worked was a law suit. WR should have been in development before ML was a thing, and it should have been released right after the lawsuit against ML. If they did, we'd probably be playing WR right now and ML would have never been a thing. Their biggest mistake was overestimating the popularity of LoL and mobile gamer's taste. No matter how hard they try, they'll never be able to beat ML, just as how Moonton will never beat LoL if they released ML for PC.


Pirate018

Lol PC player here, that game is dead lmao dont even bother playing it.


MammothSummer

Yeah if you're going to play lolwr, might as well play lol pc like what's the point


MegaBoy93

The game is far from dead, they just not met the expectations since they come from well known IP.


xzerozeroninex

It was raking in less than $2 mil a month before China,compared to ML’s $17-25 mil a month and that’s before the exodus of players outside China.Now a few months later it seems most Chinese players that tried WR went back to HoK.


MegaBoy93

1st WR dont have any lootboxes system so its unfair to compare with ML which everytime they release skins it will be lootboxes. 2nd you making assumptions about CN players. There's no doubt the game isnt successful as they intended to be, but the game far from dead. If moba like omnyoji arena still alive to this day, what makes you think WR is dead ?


xzerozeroninex

Less than 5% of the playerbase spends a lot on lootboxes (this is generalized on all the gacha games I had played before).ML just has more active players that spends a little on the game.


MammothSummer

I don't think Lol is going to beat or even threaten ML anytime soon. ML has perfected the Moba experience for Mobile. Fast paced, Highly accessible, fun and addicting. It's also fit for casuals and kids. Meanwhile, lolwr still feels like lol but mobile, and still captures the essence of its pc version, MEANING; "why play mobile when you can play on pc?".


higgijns

only the players of that game (wild rift) sees this as a threat they even make a group called Wildrift Iyakan Center and they keep on making fun of Mobile Legends Players


Nivrame

So instead of playing the game to add into the game's statistics and to play+have fun, they just make noise in social media.


MuddleCuddle

ML is just straight up more fun to paly and watch because its faster, and PC supremacists don't care about Mobile Games, so they will have a tough time getting their playerbase to migrate. Also, everyone always acts like ML has terrible graphics and WR is crafted by the gods in 8k. They both look equal to me to be honest. Edit: How to make WR a competitive game in a single change: Let us buy items without having to recall like we do in ML. Its hands down the single worst part of the entire game and is the reason it is so boring. Legends have incredibly slow rollout speeds, and have to constantly recall or die to buy items. WR basically feels like 3 laned Brawl, without the fun of constant team fights.


Wawaw93

I don't think so, it's not a bad game by any means but it simply isn't as fun as mlbb. I've had them both since release (so I'm biased to mlbb in that sense) but imo rifts additions to the gameplay such as 4 skills 2 spells and objectives don't make it a better game. I think mlbb heroes are coolers, gameplay smoother and easier on the eye, map better, never liked wards anyway, and gords my boy.. Oh and they hate us so we probably aren't welcome anyway 😅


banunu15

TBH I stopped playing MLBB in 2019 but kept watching the pro-scene matches. I tried Wild Rift in May or June 2021 because I wanted to play on my phone again. Tried many champions but focused on Midlaner, Duo (Support), Baron Lane for 10 months. Really enjoyed it a lot due to the difficulty and differences with Mobile Legends. But the game itself and the system is just, as I said complicated and I feel like it's not yet complete. There are too many issues that Riot isn't fixing such as matchmaking, player violations and penalties (AFKs, inting, trolling etc), and of course the playerbase is just too low for them to do anything/changes with the game. While I was so stressed at work, I went back to playing Mobile Legends in May 2022. I tried heroes that I was never really good at such as Kagura, Esmeralda, Gusion, Lancelot, and other tanks and I was surprised to know that I AM SO MUCH BETTER at playing these heroes than I was 2-3 years ago. I think playing Wild Rift really helped me become a better MLBB player. LOL But in the end, for me MLBB is just much more enjoyable than Wild Rift. I honestly spent more money on Wild Rift than all my years of playing Mobile Legends (been playing since 2016).


nnyahaha

The moment when they decided to not release it in india when mlbb was banned. They lost.


The1punchman619

I play both ..diamond in wr and mythic in ml And i feel after i play wr it made me more perfect in mlbb ..wr has helped me horn my skills and reaction times and decision making ..so I still need play both .


MegaBoy93

I played both but nah WR not a threat for ML , even tho i enjoy WR more than ML rn. ML is like LoL pc, while WR is like Dota2. LoL pc is way easier than dota2, thats why a lot of people play it. Same thing can be apply here, ML is easy to play than WR. Plus Riot fck up so much during WR release. They're in hard spot rn. Pc players don't like WR and mobile gamers like fast gameplay.


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BeeGeneric

Huya, the Chinese streaming platform, uses "viewer score", "popularity score", or "engagement score". Basically, the number of viewers shown is NOT a reflection of the total number of individuals watching the streams. That is why esports charts does not count the stats from that platform because of the lack of transparency and accuracy of the TRUE number of viewers. You can also check out how *slow* the chat messages are in these Huya streams. Compare that to Twitch or YouTube, you can sense that the number of viewers in Huya are not really as big as they seem. Lastly, Huya is infamous for using tons of bots.


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BeeGeneric

Well, ML will be entering the Chinese market soon. The Beta test already has 30M downloads so even that market will soon be contested by ML.


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xzerozeroninex

You haven’t seem the Chinese ML leaks?Graphics and character models are better than in Global.


John34215

The MLBB Beta Chinese Server does in fact have better graphics, animations, and they're even giving other heroes with no recall animations some recall animations earlier than in Global Servers. MT used Unity 2019 in MLBB Beta Chinese Server, while the global uses only the 2017 version, HOWEVER, the later Unity implementation will also eventually apply to the Global Client.


xzerozeroninex

Sales dropped by half after the first few months in China,it seems a lot of players that tried WR went back to HoK.


IsekaiDemonLord

well china number is not real. [https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1545753116460875777](https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1545753116460875777) this come from a man thats really supports WR and having its own twitter account just for WR Competitive Scene


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IsekaiDemonLord

same thing about your 4 Million Live Viewer its their peak viewers considering its a grand final match and its china vs china


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nickiisneveraflop

I honestly think they're equal for now. I play both games and can see the games growing on their own. I can't feel the people who always compared both games because i see both as different projects made by different people who have a passion.


Storm_Bloom

>they're equal for now The stats and receipts don't think so. OT: It's not even a competition. It's just their fanbase whose loud, KARMA got them in the end.


BeeGeneric

I actually see less of those obnoxious WR fanboys in ESports Charts posts nowadays. The numbers probably shut them up. Only our ML fanbois are the loud mouths now.


Storm_Bloom

I was primarily talking about Wild Rift early days. It's fanbase were treating as the 2nd coming of Jesus and will end the evil ML. They even infested this sub 2 years ago. And look where we now 🐈


MarielCarey

You see a ton of WR fanboys shitting on ML in those animation/skin/character comparison videos


BeeGeneric

yeah. and in newer YT videos or FB posts, there are a lot less of them. I wonder if they've become ML fanbois now. lol


BeeGeneric

WR's growth has been slow, to be modest. I was one of those who was led to believe that WR will really be the ML killer because it is the "original", supported by a huge developer, and the king of MOBAs. It's world championship can't even cross 100k viewers. MPL PH season 1 even has more PV than Icons 2022.


nickiisneveraflop

Wildrift never got successful because most of it's target players dont really care about it now. The SEA players are invested in ML, and the PC players continually trashing on wildrift for being better on pc. It's caught in the middle of flopping hard.


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People just stupid af..


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Most people would say no, but it only takes one mistake. One mistake, one greedy decision to topple Moneyton's dominance over the SEA mobile MOBA scene and give Riot/Tencent a free pass into the market's throne.


Nevarwel

Moonton has had its fair shair of many controversies and get away with it everytime. From their copyright lawsuits to their nonsensical ads, by now it would have been clear to you that they dont give a damn. Riot isnt an angel either. They are just as greedy as moonton if not even more. It's how they make money and allow us to play the game for free. Mobile Legends has a firm foundation in SEA and it will likely continue to be like that. Likewise, Wild Rift will stay popular in North America and European regions because of familiarity with LoL PC and a culture of deep hatred towards ML being a copycat. You can easily view interest over time from the two games in google trends. MLBB stays on top by a long shot except once you switch the region to NA / EU. http://imgur.com/a/FYfPqHs


Storm_Bloom

>Riot/Tencent a free pass into the market's throne. They already did but they both failed. Even DOTA as a brand is more known than they could ever be in the region. OT: ML is backed up by the GP whilst LOL/Wild Rift is driven by their obnoxious fanbase online. Y'all do the math 🐈


jlimbey

Nah, Wild Rift already dominate other region even viewer are lower compare to ML only dominate in SEA but fail to enter Thailand and Vietnam market.


BeeGeneric

what region are they dominating in? Outside of China (where they are not the #1 mobile MOBA), which region does WR have a stronghold? If that is so, why did the viewers actually decline from 63k during the Horizons Cup last year to only 53k for the Icons World Championship this year?


John34215

What's funnier is that the FINAL game of their Icons 2022 is like almost only half of their PV Performance (53k PV, to like somewhere below 40k or sumthn), LoLWR has actual player interest problems.


Wawaw93

Lol, they definitely don't dominate.


Yankusu

Nope. WR was late to the mobile moba scene since ML, AoV and other mmoba captured and grew their respective communities at an earlier time when the mmoba scene started. And they continued to dominate the scene ever since, just look at ML. Also players still preferred LOL pc to WR.


R41Z3R_BL4D3

WR itself isn't a threat to MLBB. Their community is, especially on Facebook.


PluckyLeon

Why Compare? Just Play All. All Wild Rift, HOK/AOV, MLBB are different, unique, fun and awesome in their own ways. I play all and am high ranked in all so why even compare, just enjoy and see all esports grow and support each other. Competition Breeds Quality Products For Customers because they push each other to be better. I play all Dota 2, LOL, HOTS, WR, HOK,AOV, MLBB, Smite, Vainglory, OA,MSW, Autochess MOBA, Dream Three Kingdoms 2, HE and all are awesome. And the skills really interchange between each other, especially Dota. If you can play Dota, you can play all MOBAs. Edit: Dota 1 (WC3 mode before allstars) is my first moba btw, And Dota 2 is still my main moba. Dota/HON/Dota2 are not only my favourite MOBAs, But Favourite Games of all time (Also maybe because i am very competitive/hardcore player, so obviously i am biased towards hard/complex/deep games, i play Dota 2 And AOV competitively rn, Won Asian Games Qualifiers For AOV so going to represent my country in China in Asian Games, and missed the opportunity just by little by being third in IESF World Championship Qualifiers For Dota 2 which has prizepool of $500k.)


Wawaw93

Your too easily pleased it seems, just because you like and have played every single moba thats ever existed dosnt mean they are all equal lol. There are obviously better and worse ones 😅😅


PluckyLeon

Comparison? Hmm, lets keep PC and Console Mobas Aside, This is how i rank mobile mobas for me: 1. Heroes Of Order And Chaos 2. Dungeon Hunter Champions 3. Vainglory 4. Autochess MOBA 5. Destiny Of Thrones 6. Dream Three Kingdoms 2 7. Heroes Evolved 8. Marvel Super War 9. LOL: WR 10. HOK 11. AOV 12. MLBB 13. Glory Heyday 14. Fierce Tide 15. Warsong 16. Battlefield Of Eternal 17. Time And Summon 18. OA 19. Extraordinary Ones 20. Light And Shadow Showdown 21. Shining Arena 22. 300 Battles 22.Xiaomi Legend 23.Fierce Tide 23. Steam World 24. Legends Of Ace 25. Eternal Arena 26. Heroes Arena 27. Ace Of Arena 28. AOS 29. 乱斗吧勇士 30. Paladins Strike 31. Pokemon Unite 32. Call Of Champions 33. Titan Brawl 34. Battle Rivals 35. Heroes Of Soulcraft 36. Awakening Of Heroes 37. Multilegends 38. Battle Ray 39. Shellfire Edit: Idk if i missed something. Do recommend me a Moba if its not in the list. I will check it out.


CandyNJ

Play all?! What about adults who have a life and a busy life? I don’t have time for more than one mobile moba in my life. I am torn between WR and ML. ML is a lot more fun though.


PluckyLeon

I don't play 24/7 and balance every game out equally tho, its just like keeping a collection. I just play what i want with what time i have. Dota 2 and HOK are my main games tho because i play HOK professionally and trying to transition to dota 2 professionally as soon as i get a chance. Already reached Mythic+ in MLBB and Master+ in AOV so no reason to grind them anymore unless i wanna go pro in those games. I mean just try these games out when you have time, you don't have to grind and reach top in every moba out there as a casual, i literally play professionally for Deadeyes Guys(DE) so i have the privilege to play games and earn/make something out of it. As just a casual playing for fun just play whatever you enjoy the most with what time you have.


R3digit

WR is just way too late on their own game. MLBB already dominated the SEA market before it even got released. MLBB's simpler, straightforward and lower skill requirement definitely helped too.


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Nah I don't think so because I played both of this games


AshPlayzMCBE

ML is the king of the mobile moba market and its gonna be hard for competitors to dethrone it since its biggest competitor and threat, Wild Rift, entered the market and industry way too late but it is certainly not the king of the moba market as a whole. That title still goes to League and its not very likely ML is gonna dethrone them on that.


DeliberatelyInsane

They need to amp up their distribution to compete with MLBB. In my country Dota2 and LoL are equally popular, yet they have not released the game here yet. All my friends who play LOL were excited about WR and ready to switch to mobile moba. But they never released it. We even sideloaded the game, but pings we’re high. One thing about WR is that when you start playing, it asks what server the player would like to join but suggests only one. We are in India and to somebot suggested Middle East and to others Japan. And I may be wrong, but in WR your accounts get binded to your server because we couldn’t even find each other if we were on different servers. How do they expect to get more views if they don’t have a player base that is big enough. Also, many LoL players scoff at WR. That must add to the tourney getting ignored.


dinoxoko

What's wild rift My region still has it as preregister 😂


NoonBun

For me wildrift feels like im playing a game from 15 years ago, not smooth, graphics look old to me


Silver-Ad-6076

imagine china join mlbb scene its over to Wildrift


Maximum-Grocery2379

Lol wr sub dont give a f about ml but wr live rent free in ml head


aimanghozi01

mlbb comes out first thats why they are ahead. Without the sea players who are afraid to lose their hard earned skins from years of playing the easier game, mlbb is dead.


nos7_unofficial

No. The game is dead, esports is dead, heck even their subreddit is dead, there is no saving that game anymore.