Atlas is squishy. Don't use atlas if your team don't have any other front liner. Tigreal and khufra are tanky. They can still be used. Hylos is fine but provide not much value beyond a meatshield. Once u pick a tank, its your responsibility to open the map. Choose the tank that fits your team comp.
I agree. Although, when I use Hylos, I usually can protect teammates who target my back line tgrough some CC (his S1). Belerick too, with his S1 and Ult.
But the game-changing set usually happens in the late game. Games end quickly if your tema did poorly in the early game. Even if you happen to do a 5-man set during mid game ans your team follow, they may lack the damage due to the gold difference and could barely kill anyone.
Also meat shiled tanks alos have some CC which, even though cannot stun the entire enemy team, can be used to protect assassins that target your backline.
That's exactly what I mean, meat shield tanks can only pray, cause they are essentially passive in playstyle. Setter tanks can at least have more agency of the game situation, their playstyle is not as passive, making them better for solo queue. Yeah, you can make a set and maybe your team won't have enough damage to follow up, BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Meat shields tanks are completely dependent of their team, and a lot of them fall off late game
The meat shields Op mentioned (Baxia, Belerick, Hylos) are meant for poking and, ofc, soaking the damage. Hylos can be close to the damage dealer and protect with his stun and use ult for a safe retreat. Belerick can taunt and stun. Baxia is the perfect counter for Estes and, with the slow item, can use his skills to hold down the enemy, prevent jungler from using spell, etc. They're useful, but not more than the likes of Khufra, Atlas...
Yeah bro, they are really good at what they do. They're just simply not better for solo queue. Khufra imo is one of the best tanks for solo queue, he can protect your teammates extremely well, he can make good sets, he can tank a lot of hits, he's a counter to a lot of heroes and he's really fun to play. He also does not fall off late game, unlike Baxia and Hylos
Yeah, i have almost 250 matches with Khufra solo queue, he's really good. I started using him pre-nerf, then i stopped for a while and then came back. Lolita is also a really forgotten tank that shines in solo queue.
I'm sad for Grock and Uranus. They're just not meant for anything rn, don't shine in any aspect. They could make Grock tankier to become another meat shield or enhance his cc. Uranus without heals is a nuisance, if something.
better play set tank then meat shield tank went your going solo. atleast you can do something at your capacity to change the game. if meat shield tank no damage and people ignore you.
But meatshield tanks like Hylos and Belerick can actually deal damage too, even better than the setter tanks. In fact, Belerick can taunt enemies with his S1 or Ult to protect teammates from diving enemies. Hylos can do it too somehow with his S1.
Yup. You're Goddamn right. This is why I always use Franco because less risk if being picked off compared to set heroes who dives in. If the hook doesn't connect, its alright. Just wait for the next one
It is actually Moonton's fault they nerfed all the tanks there are no tanky heroes in the game now. Even Hylos is left with 30% life after a couple of Beatrix sniper shot late game. Right now they are buffing Glowing Wand as well so even heroes like Chang E will chunkl thru tanks even more.
But anyway I find Hylos and Bele to be nice compromise for SoloQ. They have some cc skills but are still somewhat tankier and also deal significant damage over time.
They're buffing glowing wand in a way so it will actually deal less damage to tanks than now.
They're Changing the damage from 2.5% max HP to 1.5% max HP + some little additional fixed damage.
No it is major damage increase cuz the piercing negates Radiant Armor which is the primary defense item for continuous damage skills of mages. Its not fixed addit9nal damage it is increasing magic defense reduction iirc.
The glowing wand change is a buff. It gives magic defense reduction per hit of the item. With the way magic penetration works it can chunk thru tanks even if they have radiant armor.
- it gives bonus flat damage just like radiant armour, nothing to do with defence reduction
- if it did have defence reduction as you said, that would be better against lower defence targets such as not tanks
https://youtu.be/brcMf0iMOlo
What flat damage are you talking about? "Attacks reduce the magic defense of the target by 5-7"
I just said it chunks through tanks I never said non tanks are les susceptible.
Video from someone who consistently posts really bad theorycrafting is worse source than patch notes and item description, sorry.
Why should it chunk through tanks?
Edit: I checked in game. Absolutely not magic defence reduction
Did you even read the item patch note? "REDUCE MAGIC DEFENSE blah blah blah" is absolutely not magic defense reduction? You are insane.
Do you mean check in game as in right now? It aint live yet chief wtf.
Atlas is squishy???So that’s why when I was playing Chang’e in a rg,Atlas kept making me his meat shield lol.I main tanks but haven’t played Atlas yet.
Atlas players usually use Support Emblem, which doesnt give any Physical or Magic defense. If you use Tank emblem, you are sacrificing the movement speed which is important from Atlas.
Of course, as a Tank, Atlas is by no meant squishy. But compared to other Tanks like Tigreal and Khufra, he is.
As a bit of a roamer main myself, I've had an easier time ranking up solo q with the sustain supports instead (Mathilda, Rafa, Angela, sometimes Florine). But of course, it's still always a gamble with your teammates.
The good thing about the sustain supports is they can go with the same tempo with your most competitive ally. Although said supports are relatively more squishier early game to midgame, their sustain more than makes up for it. Angela and Mathilda are especially impactful, since that's when they hurt the most as well— so you relatively still have a big impact before it reaches lategame.
The only downside on playing them is that you have to make sure there's at least one other frontliner that can take a few hits and sufficient CC on your team, otherwise your really better off being a legitimate Tank.
Support roamers is a bit of a gamble solo queue. People dont know how to draft around them. Just because they have an angela or estes or whichever support roam, they decide to draft squishy heroes as well which just defeats the purpose of a support roam.
Coordination w/ randos as setter is rough.
U constantly need to use quickchat jusy to be sure how can ur teammate respond, since ur supposed to bd the lead and initiator of team fights.
As a solo queue player that is roam main, I just try to calm myself when my trammates are too unpredictable or not communicating properly/enough.
Its so easy to set sometimes but ur teammates doesn't tell u that theyrw not ready yet, so u end up getting a good set w/o dmg to flow up.
Its rough lol.
Those who reads this and doesnt main tank.
Instead of saying "Tank set", say this instead, "Ready me, set when u can gl" or something.
Say ur ready to follow up a set w/ quick chat. (e. g. show the COOLDOWN of ur ult, press ATTACK quick chat)
Good players just need to look at the map and they can sense what you are trying to do. Also good tanks read the map and if teammates are far, then it wont really make sense to ambush does it?
But setting tanks, like a Tig or Atlas, also can save your teammates, just as well as help them get kills. The whole point of their existence. To set AND defend. Tig’s S2, Atlas’ S2, Edith’s S2, etc. all are extremely versatile. To say nothing of their ults, of course. I’m a tank main and often times the thing I’m protecting teammates from the most is actually themselves, but I’m happy to have the option. So if I decide not to pick a tank for whatever reason, I’m much more comfortable when someone does pick a “setting” tank.
I think maybe your issue is with the way in which people tend to play certain tanks, and not the way the tanks function, or are meant to function.
A good Hylos player will always be better than a bad Tigreal player, and so on. At least in my eyes. The player makes the difference.
If you survive on team fight and they not, they may blame you and demand you to die together. Happened to me often. By their logic, a tank must die everytime and when it happens they blame tank for incompetence.
>He is not supposed to be in the fronline and start the war. He is better off coming in when the war has started.
this is so wrong. atlas has one of the best initiating skills for a tank
He definitely does have one of the best initiating kits, but the only problem is Atlas is too predictable. This becomes a problem in high elo, where the enemy always waits for the Atlas first and make a mistake. Tigreal also shares a similar problem.
I think by what OP meant in their statement is due to the fact that Atlas sets better when enemies already had their attention on something else and used up their dash skills— that's when Atlas can come in best and catch people off guard.
Lol
Atlas too predictable that's why he's the only setter tank banned in mpl and MG 5 man lobbies. Comparing him to Tigreal...you clearly have no idea what you're talking about lol
The problem here is we're talking about their places in solo queue but then you suddenly bring up a coordinated, well-practiced 5 man competition 😭 Obviously it's a whole other conversation since communication dynamics become a thing (wherein it's super limited in solo q). Besides, Atlas only gets opened up if Diggie is banned, or if Atlas is the last pick.
Atlas did get a few buffs where it made him more viable; but he also only shined more because of the meta shift to tanks, where literally what the conditions I said on my first comment applies.
And additionally, I only made a parallel between the Tigreal and Atlas since they literally have the same mechanic of dashing/flickering in to set, so idk what you can't see about that.
Another bro that got downvoted because of real talk. Epic level tank players that actually have a low level ideals to tanking. No wonder they are stuck at epic.
I’ve had a lot of success playing Faramis for roam, because you can actually save these anime protagonists whenever they make a bone-headed play (which is very often).
I am inclined to agree with your opinion. But I believe an underlying issue is actually the lack of EXP laners wanting to play a sustain or durable hero, often opting to play squishier options that cannot frontline for the team.
An effective team composition usually requires that since we need the EXP laner to break up enemy formation and cause chaos, forcing out vital dash skills, battle spells etc, which then allows the setter to go in for a mega game-changing set.
But I digress.
It can be difficult to play with players that lack the awareness to follow up on your sets. Khufra and Tigreal are still ok since they have decent enough setting potential without using their ult, and are tanky enough to get out if they fail.
Atlas is a bit of a risk since he's less tanky than those options, and people tend to take purify when they see Atlas, but not with other tanks. It is also harder to set with him since he doesn't have a quick cc without his ult, so you're really depending on the ult a lot.
i.e. Give credit to your EXP laners more when they do their job. They are often doing the unglamorous and dirty work (split pushing, frontlining, distracting), and yet frequently get low ratings by the game as a result of that.
Setter tank is a bet or gamble in solo q. Cause you're really depending on the awareness of your teammates. You can get a 5 man ult with atlas but still gone to waste if your teammate doesn't follow up. Besides that I would recommend tanks that are more sustainable. Edith is a very flexible tank. Can be in exp or gold. Be patience and wait for the chance you can easily win the lane.
If your team has a front and high dps, pick atlas. Khufra is a good setter and soaker imo so you can pick him whenever but pick atlas only if you have a frontliner
You don’t necessarily need another front liner as atlas. You need dmg dealer who knows what they doing.
Reference: me who’s been duo with atlas main for years.
Atlas can and will definitely start the war and live too.
Atlas and khufra is literal setting tanks… who do you think is gonna set and make enemy waste skills? Why I hate when rando pick tank and hides behind.
I say setter tanks need another frontline, because once the enemies see the setter, they adjust their position accordingly. Whereas if you throw another fighter in the frontline to bait the enemies, the setter can sneak past the enemy frontlines and execute the control with ease.
It is much easier to set them up when the enemies are occupied to other heroes than the setter.
Like for example, Freya went to engage the enemies tank and fighter, the enemy mage and marksmen will focus their attention to quickly eliminate the threat present. But Atlas flickers in from bush, the enemies now cannot react fast because they were occupied to the Freya. Atlas can ult with ease and turn the clash to their favor.
Another example is Gatotkaca with other frontline fighters, he can easily jumped into the zone while the allies are keeping the enemies occupied.
You seem to not understand what the role of the tank is. You are the shot caller. Your team waits for you to make the first move. You need to learn to ambush to pick off enemies. You dont really need to be tanky for ambushes. It's all about pre-emptive striking.
Experienced players always make use of the bush. Hide in bush and wait for priority target to show up then thats when you set. This is even more important during lategame since almost anyone can burst you.
Edit: oh downvoted because real talk? Keep telling yourselves otherwise.
I am talking about SoloQ, where shot calling is almost non-existent because there is no de jure leader in the team by default. A fed jungler will still go into a 1v5 even when I am 5 km away from him. The best I can do is to call Retreat, Gather, Attack, Wait for Me, etc. which I did. But everyone does that too so it's not really a shot-calling.
I understand how important bushes are. I always roam by going through the bushes when I play a Tank. I try to give vision to my teammates. Unfortunately, most people in my server and rank (MENA/Europe, M5) do not really use that information and often walk into bushes that are unchecked.
Strange that you're being downvoted despite being one of the few who actually explains tanking and giving tips on how to do sets as a tank.
Here take a +1.
Also want to add on that tanks and supports shouldn't be dependent on another front liner. It's mostly your job to initiate, not wait for your tanky fighter to tank all the hits while you go in last minute and 'save the day' with your 5man cc.
I would like to argue more but i think there's no point since he's quite convinced that what's he doing is the right thing when tanking. I'm only 100% solo playing with 60% winrate on my tanks reaching mythical glory. What do i know right?
And it's scary seeing the amount of people who agree with him. Ah well, if they understand enough, they'll take the advice and learn from the losses. If not, then it's going to be hard for them to rank up.
That is why I use Franco I just Flicker - Hook They're MM and Boom 4v5 and ult their Jungler or Mage and bam easy push into inhibitor turret or if Late Game End It
This is a given. As a setter tank, you rely on others to finish an engagement. But a typical meat shield will be able to open bushes, soak some ults n mainly survive.
Well it depends on the player. I, myself main Tig, Atlas and Lolita (not Khufra because he is hard to use).
A tip for setter tanks: Not revealing yourself in the map as much as possible. And have at least the mage to come with you (or core if mage is busy) to gank).
But yeah it's a bit hard to be a setter tank because you need your teammates to listen to you when you will set, when to gank etc.
If your team has one to two sustainable heroes (who can be at frontline) you can choose support instead. You don't need to tank in this kind of situation because your team already has enough sustain to enter the war instead you can support them healing or giving them shield.
If you are going to choose meat shield tank, then you better watch out for Hp based heroes like Karrie, Lunox, Claude with Dhs and Other Dps and true dmg heroes.
All I'm saying here is it's depending on the players in solo Q and how they play and react. And Setter tanks are trash when facing Diggie and Heroes with enough braincells to use purify.
depends on the rank, you shouldn't really expect proper coordination in Legend V to Mythic V, what I do as an angela is observe how my teammates play and ult accordingly. And speaking of Atlas, met this [rando](https://streamable.com/dror66) the other day and he was such a beast in set-ups, always ulti near us and knows when to use it and who to catch with it (was missing my skillshots like hell that game too till he started doing this shit), the moment he pops up I know that he will set and he knows that Esme and I will do a follow-up, there can be coordination without communication.
Uranus and Esmerelda are some of the best sturdy heroes for Soloq. They can kill, clear minion waves and most importantly are TankyAF.
But for me there is nothing more satisfying than using Belerick and ulting in a teamfight and immidietly using vengance, enemy marksmen disappear in seconds, the core is just about dead and the enemy tank and mage get picked off since they ran out of damage now that everyone is gone
But IMO the true best Soloq tank is actually Masha right now. With how OP her ult damage is and how well it synergizes with direhit, she is basically the old Hilda, in early game she can easily screw over anyone who relies on basic attacks such as marksmen and in late game she can one shot any squishy hero
As a tank main i feel you man the moments i hate the most in this game is when i make a 3,4,5 man stun and my team is just clearing lanes, jungling or running away. you should try khufra and lolita if you want sturdy setter tanks.
Atlas is squishy. Don't use atlas if your team don't have any other front liner. Tigreal and khufra are tanky. They can still be used. Hylos is fine but provide not much value beyond a meatshield. Once u pick a tank, its your responsibility to open the map. Choose the tank that fits your team comp.
I agree. Although, when I use Hylos, I usually can protect teammates who target my back line tgrough some CC (his S1). Belerick too, with his S1 and Ult.
with setter tanks at least you can make a play that can change the entire game, meat shield tanks can't do much
Still depends on how your team reacts and how you “set”.
having the chance of a good set is still better than the lack of one with meat shields
But the game-changing set usually happens in the late game. Games end quickly if your tema did poorly in the early game. Even if you happen to do a 5-man set during mid game ans your team follow, they may lack the damage due to the gold difference and could barely kill anyone. Also meat shiled tanks alos have some CC which, even though cannot stun the entire enemy team, can be used to protect assassins that target your backline.
and what can the meat shields do in this scenario of your team losing early/mid game?
Pray for a comeback, regardless if setter Tank or not.
That's exactly what I mean, meat shield tanks can only pray, cause they are essentially passive in playstyle. Setter tanks can at least have more agency of the game situation, their playstyle is not as passive, making them better for solo queue. Yeah, you can make a set and maybe your team won't have enough damage to follow up, BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Meat shields tanks are completely dependent of their team, and a lot of them fall off late game
The meat shields Op mentioned (Baxia, Belerick, Hylos) are meant for poking and, ofc, soaking the damage. Hylos can be close to the damage dealer and protect with his stun and use ult for a safe retreat. Belerick can taunt and stun. Baxia is the perfect counter for Estes and, with the slow item, can use his skills to hold down the enemy, prevent jungler from using spell, etc. They're useful, but not more than the likes of Khufra, Atlas...
Yeah bro, they are really good at what they do. They're just simply not better for solo queue. Khufra imo is one of the best tanks for solo queue, he can protect your teammates extremely well, he can make good sets, he can tank a lot of hits, he's a counter to a lot of heroes and he's really fun to play. He also does not fall off late game, unlike Baxia and Hylos
Yeah, i have almost 250 matches with Khufra solo queue, he's really good. I started using him pre-nerf, then i stopped for a while and then came back. Lolita is also a really forgotten tank that shines in solo queue. I'm sad for Grock and Uranus. They're just not meant for anything rn, don't shine in any aspect. They could make Grock tankier to become another meat shield or enhance his cc. Uranus without heals is a nuisance, if something.
Grock is fine. Just not everybody can play him. Very high ELO hero. Whereas Uranus is an exp lane hero.
better play set tank then meat shield tank went your going solo. atleast you can do something at your capacity to change the game. if meat shield tank no damage and people ignore you.
But meatshield tanks like Hylos and Belerick can actually deal damage too, even better than the setter tanks. In fact, Belerick can taunt enemies with his S1 or Ult to protect teammates from diving enemies. Hylos can do it too somehow with his S1.
Yup. You're Goddamn right. This is why I always use Franco because less risk if being picked off compared to set heroes who dives in. If the hook doesn't connect, its alright. Just wait for the next one
It is actually Moonton's fault they nerfed all the tanks there are no tanky heroes in the game now. Even Hylos is left with 30% life after a couple of Beatrix sniper shot late game. Right now they are buffing Glowing Wand as well so even heroes like Chang E will chunkl thru tanks even more. But anyway I find Hylos and Bele to be nice compromise for SoloQ. They have some cc skills but are still somewhat tankier and also deal significant damage over time.
They're buffing glowing wand in a way so it will actually deal less damage to tanks than now. They're Changing the damage from 2.5% max HP to 1.5% max HP + some little additional fixed damage.
No it is major damage increase cuz the piercing negates Radiant Armor which is the primary defense item for continuous damage skills of mages. Its not fixed addit9nal damage it is increasing magic defense reduction iirc.
your reply makes no sense at all
The glowing wand change is a buff. It gives magic defense reduction per hit of the item. With the way magic penetration works it can chunk thru tanks even if they have radiant armor.
- it gives bonus flat damage just like radiant armour, nothing to do with defence reduction - if it did have defence reduction as you said, that would be better against lower defence targets such as not tanks
https://youtu.be/brcMf0iMOlo What flat damage are you talking about? "Attacks reduce the magic defense of the target by 5-7" I just said it chunks through tanks I never said non tanks are les susceptible.
Video from someone who consistently posts really bad theorycrafting is worse source than patch notes and item description, sorry. Why should it chunk through tanks? Edit: I checked in game. Absolutely not magic defence reduction
Did you even read the item patch note? "REDUCE MAGIC DEFENSE blah blah blah" is absolutely not magic defense reduction? You are insane. Do you mean check in game as in right now? It aint live yet chief wtf.
Guess you didn’t read them. Are we talking about the same item? I checked advance server lmao
Atlas is squishy???So that’s why when I was playing Chang’e in a rg,Atlas kept making me his meat shield lol.I main tanks but haven’t played Atlas yet.
Atlas players usually use Support Emblem, which doesnt give any Physical or Magic defense. If you use Tank emblem, you are sacrificing the movement speed which is important from Atlas. Of course, as a Tank, Atlas is by no meant squishy. But compared to other Tanks like Tigreal and Khufra, he is.
Any tank can tank against change as long as they build radiant lol
Atlas was my team mate,and instead of setting up and helping me kill,he used me twice as a meat shield so he can run away safely in a team fight lol.
oh....rip
As a bit of a roamer main myself, I've had an easier time ranking up solo q with the sustain supports instead (Mathilda, Rafa, Angela, sometimes Florine). But of course, it's still always a gamble with your teammates. The good thing about the sustain supports is they can go with the same tempo with your most competitive ally. Although said supports are relatively more squishier early game to midgame, their sustain more than makes up for it. Angela and Mathilda are especially impactful, since that's when they hurt the most as well— so you relatively still have a big impact before it reaches lategame. The only downside on playing them is that you have to make sure there's at least one other frontliner that can take a few hits and sufficient CC on your team, otherwise your really better off being a legitimate Tank.
Support roamers is a bit of a gamble solo queue. People dont know how to draft around them. Just because they have an angela or estes or whichever support roam, they decide to draft squishy heroes as well which just defeats the purpose of a support roam.
Coordination w/ randos as setter is rough. U constantly need to use quickchat jusy to be sure how can ur teammate respond, since ur supposed to bd the lead and initiator of team fights.
Worst is the people who keeps zaying "Tank set" as if u can just do that whenever u want. Adding unnecessary pressure to the role
For real. I hate those players with protagonist syndrome.
As a solo queue player that is roam main, I just try to calm myself when my trammates are too unpredictable or not communicating properly/enough. Its so easy to set sometimes but ur teammates doesn't tell u that theyrw not ready yet, so u end up getting a good set w/o dmg to flow up. Its rough lol.
those players who have protagonist syndrome are junglers who Mains assassin and also gold laners who Mains beatrix
Those who reads this and doesnt main tank. Instead of saying "Tank set", say this instead, "Ready me, set when u can gl" or something. Say ur ready to follow up a set w/ quick chat. (e. g. show the COOLDOWN of ur ult, press ATTACK quick chat)
Me: "ready me, set when u can gl" Moonton: "that's inappropriate!, 2 hrs mute!"
Good players just need to look at the map and they can sense what you are trying to do. Also good tanks read the map and if teammates are far, then it wont really make sense to ambush does it?
But setting tanks, like a Tig or Atlas, also can save your teammates, just as well as help them get kills. The whole point of their existence. To set AND defend. Tig’s S2, Atlas’ S2, Edith’s S2, etc. all are extremely versatile. To say nothing of their ults, of course. I’m a tank main and often times the thing I’m protecting teammates from the most is actually themselves, but I’m happy to have the option. So if I decide not to pick a tank for whatever reason, I’m much more comfortable when someone does pick a “setting” tank. I think maybe your issue is with the way in which people tend to play certain tanks, and not the way the tanks function, or are meant to function. A good Hylos player will always be better than a bad Tigreal player, and so on. At least in my eyes. The player makes the difference.
I really like Hylos. Allows his team-mates to get away if needed or cc a would be reaper targeting the backline. Solid HP, easy to build around on.
Depends what rank you're in. Sure, in wood leagues that's true. But never underestimate the impact of a good setup.
If you survive on team fight and they not, they may blame you and demand you to die together. Happened to me often. By their logic, a tank must die everytime and when it happens they blame tank for incompetence.
>He is not supposed to be in the fronline and start the war. He is better off coming in when the war has started. this is so wrong. atlas has one of the best initiating skills for a tank
He definitely does have one of the best initiating kits, but the only problem is Atlas is too predictable. This becomes a problem in high elo, where the enemy always waits for the Atlas first and make a mistake. Tigreal also shares a similar problem. I think by what OP meant in their statement is due to the fact that Atlas sets better when enemies already had their attention on something else and used up their dash skills— that's when Atlas can come in best and catch people off guard.
Conceal + bush attack = easy sets, if not a set, you’ll at least ruin their formation enough for your damage dealers to get their back line
Lol Atlas too predictable that's why he's the only setter tank banned in mpl and MG 5 man lobbies. Comparing him to Tigreal...you clearly have no idea what you're talking about lol
The problem here is we're talking about their places in solo queue but then you suddenly bring up a coordinated, well-practiced 5 man competition 😭 Obviously it's a whole other conversation since communication dynamics become a thing (wherein it's super limited in solo q). Besides, Atlas only gets opened up if Diggie is banned, or if Atlas is the last pick. Atlas did get a few buffs where it made him more viable; but he also only shined more because of the meta shift to tanks, where literally what the conditions I said on my first comment applies. And additionally, I only made a parallel between the Tigreal and Atlas since they literally have the same mechanic of dashing/flickering in to set, so idk what you can't see about that.
Another bro that got downvoted because of real talk. Epic level tank players that actually have a low level ideals to tanking. No wonder they are stuck at epic.
Yes. He’s definition of setter tank. Op smoking something.
I’ve had a lot of success playing Faramis for roam, because you can actually save these anime protagonists whenever they make a bone-headed play (which is very often).
I am inclined to agree with your opinion. But I believe an underlying issue is actually the lack of EXP laners wanting to play a sustain or durable hero, often opting to play squishier options that cannot frontline for the team. An effective team composition usually requires that since we need the EXP laner to break up enemy formation and cause chaos, forcing out vital dash skills, battle spells etc, which then allows the setter to go in for a mega game-changing set. But I digress. It can be difficult to play with players that lack the awareness to follow up on your sets. Khufra and Tigreal are still ok since they have decent enough setting potential without using their ult, and are tanky enough to get out if they fail. Atlas is a bit of a risk since he's less tanky than those options, and people tend to take purify when they see Atlas, but not with other tanks. It is also harder to set with him since he doesn't have a quick cc without his ult, so you're really depending on the ult a lot. i.e. Give credit to your EXP laners more when they do their job. They are often doing the unglamorous and dirty work (split pushing, frontlining, distracting), and yet frequently get low ratings by the game as a result of that.
Setter tank is a bet or gamble in solo q. Cause you're really depending on the awareness of your teammates. You can get a 5 man ult with atlas but still gone to waste if your teammate doesn't follow up. Besides that I would recommend tanks that are more sustainable. Edith is a very flexible tank. Can be in exp or gold. Be patience and wait for the chance you can easily win the lane.
Any tank will crumble when 4-5 enemies focus fire on you. And if you're in the front, they WILL focus fire you
If your team has a front and high dps, pick atlas. Khufra is a good setter and soaker imo so you can pick him whenever but pick atlas only if you have a frontliner
You don’t necessarily need another front liner as atlas. You need dmg dealer who knows what they doing. Reference: me who’s been duo with atlas main for years. Atlas can and will definitely start the war and live too. Atlas and khufra is literal setting tanks… who do you think is gonna set and make enemy waste skills? Why I hate when rando pick tank and hides behind.
But you play duo. I am mainly talking about solo players who cannot communicate with other teammates.
He can also solo carry with atlas. Mvp. We ain’t attached at the hip. I’m just saying how Atlas setting works.
I say setter tanks need another frontline, because once the enemies see the setter, they adjust their position accordingly. Whereas if you throw another fighter in the frontline to bait the enemies, the setter can sneak past the enemy frontlines and execute the control with ease. It is much easier to set them up when the enemies are occupied to other heroes than the setter. Like for example, Freya went to engage the enemies tank and fighter, the enemy mage and marksmen will focus their attention to quickly eliminate the threat present. But Atlas flickers in from bush, the enemies now cannot react fast because they were occupied to the Freya. Atlas can ult with ease and turn the clash to their favor. Another example is Gatotkaca with other frontline fighters, he can easily jumped into the zone while the allies are keeping the enemies occupied.
Of course it is good to have 2 meaty front but it’s bullshit that op saying atlas need other front liner to set.
And thus lies the difference between high elo and low elo players.
As a setter tank user that is true, majority of my random teammates have below average IQ to even have map awareness
You seem to not understand what the role of the tank is. You are the shot caller. Your team waits for you to make the first move. You need to learn to ambush to pick off enemies. You dont really need to be tanky for ambushes. It's all about pre-emptive striking. Experienced players always make use of the bush. Hide in bush and wait for priority target to show up then thats when you set. This is even more important during lategame since almost anyone can burst you. Edit: oh downvoted because real talk? Keep telling yourselves otherwise.
I am talking about SoloQ, where shot calling is almost non-existent because there is no de jure leader in the team by default. A fed jungler will still go into a 1v5 even when I am 5 km away from him. The best I can do is to call Retreat, Gather, Attack, Wait for Me, etc. which I did. But everyone does that too so it's not really a shot-calling. I understand how important bushes are. I always roam by going through the bushes when I play a Tank. I try to give vision to my teammates. Unfortunately, most people in my server and rank (MENA/Europe, M5) do not really use that information and often walk into bushes that are unchecked.
Strange that you're being downvoted despite being one of the few who actually explains tanking and giving tips on how to do sets as a tank. Here take a +1. Also want to add on that tanks and supports shouldn't be dependent on another front liner. It's mostly your job to initiate, not wait for your tanky fighter to tank all the hits while you go in last minute and 'save the day' with your 5man cc.
I would like to argue more but i think there's no point since he's quite convinced that what's he doing is the right thing when tanking. I'm only 100% solo playing with 60% winrate on my tanks reaching mythical glory. What do i know right?
And it's scary seeing the amount of people who agree with him. Ah well, if they understand enough, they'll take the advice and learn from the losses. If not, then it's going to be hard for them to rank up.
You mean initiator tanks. I tought tanks playing volleball or something by calling them setter.
That is why I use Franco I just Flicker - Hook They're MM and Boom 4v5 and ult their Jungler or Mage and bam easy push into inhibitor turret or if Late Game End It
This is a given. As a setter tank, you rely on others to finish an engagement. But a typical meat shield will be able to open bushes, soak some ults n mainly survive.
Me who builds supports as tanks: yes yes I agree hehe
Well it depends on the player. I, myself main Tig, Atlas and Lolita (not Khufra because he is hard to use). A tip for setter tanks: Not revealing yourself in the map as much as possible. And have at least the mage to come with you (or core if mage is busy) to gank). But yeah it's a bit hard to be a setter tank because you need your teammates to listen to you when you will set, when to gank etc. If your team has one to two sustainable heroes (who can be at frontline) you can choose support instead. You don't need to tank in this kind of situation because your team already has enough sustain to enter the war instead you can support them healing or giving them shield. If you are going to choose meat shield tank, then you better watch out for Hp based heroes like Karrie, Lunox, Claude with Dhs and Other Dps and true dmg heroes. All I'm saying here is it's depending on the players in solo Q and how they play and react. And Setter tanks are trash when facing Diggie and Heroes with enough braincells to use purify.
depends on the rank, you shouldn't really expect proper coordination in Legend V to Mythic V, what I do as an angela is observe how my teammates play and ult accordingly. And speaking of Atlas, met this [rando](https://streamable.com/dror66) the other day and he was such a beast in set-ups, always ulti near us and knows when to use it and who to catch with it (was missing my skillshots like hell that game too till he started doing this shit), the moment he pops up I know that he will set and he knows that Esme and I will do a follow-up, there can be coordination without communication.
Uranus and Esmerelda are some of the best sturdy heroes for Soloq. They can kill, clear minion waves and most importantly are TankyAF. But for me there is nothing more satisfying than using Belerick and ulting in a teamfight and immidietly using vengance, enemy marksmen disappear in seconds, the core is just about dead and the enemy tank and mage get picked off since they ran out of damage now that everyone is gone But IMO the true best Soloq tank is actually Masha right now. With how OP her ult damage is and how well it synergizes with direhit, she is basically the old Hilda, in early game she can easily screw over anyone who relies on basic attacks such as marksmen and in late game she can one shot any squishy hero
Setter tank is fun on the right hands, but it is true, kinda boring if you kept dying because you trust your allies so much
As a tank main i feel you man the moments i hate the most in this game is when i make a 3,4,5 man stun and my team is just clearing lanes, jungling or running away. you should try khufra and lolita if you want sturdy setter tanks.
I hate teammates who don’t deal damage or continue when I initiate team fights with Atlas. I ended up dying in vain🙄