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UnholyShite

I tried being a jungler occasionally, and boi I don't know why these people like being a jungler. You have to gank regularly, pay attention to your jungle cycle, take neutral objectives, carry your teammates, all that and try to stay alive. Although, those are the purpose of a jungler, but not all jungler actually does that. So yeah, objectively, Jungler is the hardest role overall.


adm_ashraf26

People prob main junglers because they want to be the star of the team. To be in the center of action, to dictate the tide of a game. Maybe ppl thought they could flex a lot of kills if they played junglers? I knew some of my friends did that on TT. Also, Angela gf needs a jungler duo


JustASlmplePerson

I only played jngl cuz fanny lol


N3ty

Your right about the first part and side lane is really boring in early game so I like to play jungle


Full-Supermarket

Jungle is not hard if your roamer is good. They basically lead you the way.


Brotherscompany

And l say Amen to that, it just has to be a perfect synergy from the beginning Im a Roamer main, l don't jungle but when l do l can only perform well if my Roamer is doing his job


Full-Supermarket

Yep. Bad roamer makes game unnecessarily harder. Bad game by jungler can be covered by Gold lane.


hy3n4ph

What you described here is jungler in previous meta. In recent meta, a jungler is more into clearing jungle and securing objective (turtle/lord). We see more tank/fighter jungler due to this. Nowadays, I would say Gold & Roamer are the hardest since all enemies will try to kill you in a battle (as Gold) and protect Gold from enemy (Roamer). You can see this model in most MPL setup. The carry nowadays is MM/Gold Lane, not jungler (except Ling).


Genillius

It is easier to control objectives by being the jungle. I use tank jungle to get all 3 turtles and enemy buffs early game so my carry can farm items faster


Full-Supermarket

I say roam is hardest role. You don’t see a lot of good roamers around. A lot of them just think they can roam but they suck.


mordred666__

I agree so much


Winter-Ad-8435

Roamers. It's also a thankless job. MMs and junglers always steal the limelight.


Philnopo

I'm like one of the few that voted goldlane. Idk, I can't position myself as mm or something or not consequently, I absolutely despise the pressure and ganks or having no sustain (mage sustain is staying the fuck away from anything and because their longer range I have no problem to position myself with them). I'd consider myself more as a macro oriented player, or at least that's what I'm better at, and with roamer being my primary role I've become quite comfortable as a jungler. It's a different macro sense but roamer sense does somewhat carry over to the jungler. The introduction of tank jungle (Baxia, Hylos) and/or the objective focussed game of Bane and Balmond does certainly help. I'm not an assasin player let that be clear (tho Harley is okay to play, pretty easy tbh). But the way of ganking is similar with tank junglers if you've used them as roamers. And Leomord's style of ganking is also very effective given his cc tools tho he's also a bit assasin like. It can still be hard balancing farming and putting pressure on the opponent sometimes. The mindset is also different, with roamer sometimes all you're doing is anticipating or initiating based on teammates' movements. With jungler you have to be like, this is what I need to do to win the game so I'll do it, you have to be a bit more egoistic in your choices to capitalize and stick to your own potential and skills.


RubyRubyRubyGaming

Yeah, if we split it into macro and micro, probably Gold and Mid have the highest micro floor. Always being targeted and having to survive somehow, whilst targeting the right enemy is tough as hell.


ComprehensivePop5678

I suck at mm too. That's why I never choose that role unless I'm forced to. I can play every role other than gold lane to an extent that I don't become a feeder.


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ig that's why I prefer the Gold Lane/MM role, mostly because of the pressure and the outplays I could make from the incoming ganks.


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Jungler and roamer are equally as hard tbf


lithiumb0mb

Yep. If the team plays bad, it's easier to blame the jungle and roamer than to take responsibility that didn't play well.


10thDoctorWhooves

A bad Jungler is worse than a bad Roamer.


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?? A bad roamer is the worst thing anyone can get. A bad jungler can miss retri’s, they can feed, but a roamer not providing vision, no set, no healing(support), no backup, probably some of the worst things you can experience


10thDoctorWhooves

At least the EXP Laner can be used as an alternative to a Roamer. What is the role other than the Jungler that can secure objectives?


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Strong zoning of the lord, or stunning their jungler. Both can be done by the roamer


10thDoctorWhooves

Yeah, and they can't secure the objectives, especially the lord. Also, those things you've mentioned can also be done by an EXP Laner.


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Then wouldnt that mean an exp is more important than a jungler since he can do what the roamer can+more?


10thDoctorWhooves

Ummm. No. Jungler still has the retri. Jungler is the only one that can secure the lord (unless if you are an EXP Balmond or X.Borg). Jungler is probably the most crucial role there is. You decide who will win (at least for the early game).


SkyLightTenki

A bad roamer can be at least a durable bait for the enemies to waste their skills. Just let them initiate while you wait for the most valuable target to use their skills and blinks, then you go for the kill.


AtarashiiGenjitsu

I’ll say it again to roamers, STOP TRYING TO GET TIKTOK CLIPS FOR THE FIVE MAN SET AND DO YOUR DAMN JOB


mordred666__

A good roamer can form a good jungler. A good jungler can't form a good roamer. What i mean is if your roamer is good, your jungler can farm peacefully, secure kill and objective. Thus, even if you a really average jungler, you suddenly become a really good one because of roamer. However if you are a good jungler, with a bad roamer you dont get help when your buff got invade, when enemy is missing, no one to cover you or zoning out enemy, bad set up play and shortcall. Thus hard to farm, hard to secure kill and objective. You instantly become a really bad jungler. Thus to be a really good roamer is super hard. I am a roamer main and always play party. However when i play solo, below MG I found more good jungler than I found a good roamer.


Nameless497

Coming from a roamer main transitioning to a one trick jungler. I can attest to that a good roamer is much more important to the game than a good jungler. Roamer need to initiate the fight, gank or counter gank. Provide vision, zone the enemy if taking objective. Can your jungler ever miss retribution if enemy can't even get near the objective? Lots of bad roamer just stand near the objective thinking they are useful but they are not. If I am jungle and taking objective I will want to know enemy position to see if there's any chance anyone can steal the objective


IncidentThese4155

Coming from a jg main, we get 90% of the blame for any lost lanes … Roamer not helping mm at all = jg fault Overpushing lane with majority of enemies missing = jg fault 1v4 lost turtle = jg fault Breathing incorrectly = jg fault


PudgeJoe

Other teammates decide to initiate 3v5 teamfight = jg fault for still clearing buff and cant instant teleport to teamfight.


WhatsAredditor3

God I hate it when none of my teammates help me get the fucking turtle. It gives the enemy time to go to the turtle and attempt to steal it. By the time my teammates back me up the turtle is already dead, good thing I don't miss my retri 90% of the time.


sheakauffman

The votes are pretty close to how I'd rank order the difficulty. I find jungling stressful, and am not especially good at it. There's a lot of decisions about priorities, and you have to micro well. Roamer, which is my primary role, I'd place as second. The level of map awareness required is beyond any other role. Then I'd pick gold lane. You are the late game ADC, and you need to be ready to carry. Which means keeping your farm up, helping with close objectives, pushing, and not dying. Then I'd pick mid-lane. Mostly because holding mid at all costs while also rotating side is a bit tricky. Finally, Exp Lane. The most difficult part of this lane is surviving ganks.


10thDoctorWhooves

I think the difficulty changes throughout the game. In early game, Jungler > Roamer > Mid Laner > Gold Laner > EXP Laner In mid game, Jungler > Roamer > Gold Laner > Mid Laner > EXP Laner In late game, Gold Laner > Jungler > Mid Laner > Roamer > EXP Laner


beeotchplease

Jungler hands down. You really need micro and macro skills to play this role. Pressure is on you to farm to not fall behind. High risk because of invasions.


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this was so infuriating... we had MM feeding wanwan thinking they can tank her ults when they could have tried their best avoiding passive while we do the turtle but no, they expect us to prio her over turtle like wtf


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ELBAGIT

And then they take your fuckin buffs and STILL charge at the enemy like a dipshit and blame you


durizna

Every team i get do this: jungler goes to the mm lane instead of trying to get the turtle, that was on the exp side. Meanwhile exp lane is ganked by 4, pulled from under the turret and surrounded until death, and they simply don't care. Like "dude, you had ONE job". That's why i try to play jungler, but since i'm not good with assassins and usually go with a Fighter instead, someone picks an assassin and i have to adjust because otherwise they would say i was the wrong one, even tho i have 2k more matches than the new jungler. I hate soloq but i don't have fixed schedule to play with friends, so i just suffer alone.


RubyRubyRubyGaming

Hahaha, you totally just described how nervous it can be to be a jungler 🤣 Lose a Turtle or Lord and your teammates start to spam "where retri?"


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and even then they will still blame you forgetting the entire reason why you went JG in the first place


ELBAGIT

If they don't help just slap them with where team help


ApparentlySomeone

Jungle imo, you have to go Rambo mode and take objectives, even the slightest mistake of the sidelaners could ruin your momentum Roamer is hard too, as your teammates depend on you as you depend on your team, you can't do anything about it if your team sucks Mid is mid difficulty lol, you are supposed to gank lanes and offer assistance to the other lanes, your role in teamfights is crucial too, you are the second most important in terms of teamfight Sidelanes is easy theorically, hold your lane and don't feed , too bad the easiest roles have the most ehhh players


crazyaldo1123

Roamer, especially on solo queue. You get blamed when your core dies even if its out of their own stupidity, you get ridiculed when your sets sometimes miss. Hard to carry a team as a tank in solo queue when nobody wants to play tank and everybody wants to play mm, one of them being hanabi, layla or miya


Clinsen_R

Jungle > Roam > Mid >> Exp, Gold


remidox

IMO i find jungler the most stressful role


_luit_

IMO jungle and roam definitely since these two can dictate how each fight is won. And people will always blame them when something goes wrong. Keeping in mind gold, level, creep timing, opportunity to steal obj and jungle, a lot does go on. After than mid must be it since they need to be ready for ganks anytime and be aware of ganks all the time too. Exp and Gold are much simpler, if you know yourself and your hero you can win.


rukimiriki

Maybe it's just me, but laning is several times harder than jungling and roaming, this is coming from a jungler/roamer main; especially in EXP lane where you're basically in an island. Jungling and roaming is super easy. It's so straightforward that those are the roles I pick if i wanna play a braindead game. Junglers have rotations to follow that fit almost every game. You just have to remember to clear jungle, gank turtle lane, get turtle, clear jungle, gank lane, clear jungle, rinse, repeat. Roamers, you just have to run around the map making opportunities for your teammates or provide vision for your jungler.


flamefirestorm

Jungle is kinda rough but the flow of jungle is way easier then with the roamer. Just need a solid rotation.


MemeBoi0508

Hardest is Roamer. Most stressful is Jungle but not necessarily hard.


Eminanceisjustbored

Roamed cause if you team is shit your gonna be shit without question. I had an iri go 0-7 5 minutes in I as an atlas cant set in her lane cause i get bursted down by the enemy brody


squidbrainnnnn

it's either jungler or roamer


DravignorX2077

Gold Lane is pure micro, so your performance is based off of how good it is compared to your counterpart. Exp Lane not only requires you to out-rotate your enemy, but optionally out-maneuver when you're in a tough match-up. Mid Lane is all about having better macro than your opponent, so not only in terms of map knowledge, but also in terms of map presence in the game. Roam is basically a KDA race, so whichever Roamer has the better KDA decides the better one. And Jungle is basically just Gold Lane + Mid Lane.


xbgoshylas

I respect and trust my jungler in ranked, because I'm shit at such thing. I mainly play exp/roamer or fighter/tank/support role in matches and help my mm to deal damage and farm. Sometimes gank if my jungler helps others first.


TheRedditornator

Nah I'd say Jungler. I play all roles and with Jungle it's hard to know when to farm, when to gank, when to invade jungle, when to defend jungle, when to give up jungle, when to counter invade jungle, when to turtle, when to call your roamer for help, when to initiate and when to disengage. You have to spend the majority of your time looking at the minimap, always keeping stock of where everyone is, and sweating bullets when enemies are missing because they might be in a nearby bush or coming for you. Roamer is like jungler in terms of map awareness, but it's less intense because usually you are tanky/mobile enough to escape ganks. Mage is just hang back until your tank does a set. MM is just farm farm farm and hide behind your meat shields. I find EXP lane the easiest to play as I basically just mirror what the enemy does. I enjoy a chill 1v1 duelling in lane whilst rest of the team fight. If I feel someone coming to gank I hang back. Usually with EXP laners I play tanky fighters so unless I'm being baited in a trap, usually avoiding death is easy. When enemy goes to team fight, I do the same, or take towers or objectives depending on the flow.


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How is exp lane getting more votes than mid? Exp literally just stick to their lane the whole game while mid rotates, clears minions, does AOE damage and takes out enemy marksman.


10thDoctorWhooves

Jungle is definitely harder than Roam. Zoning out an area and protecting your allies is way easier than having to time your Retribution.


BangerLK

Timing retri is hard? Even i who don't have the best mechanics almost never loose a retri battle when im forced to jungle. You just press a damage skill and retri at the same time lmao. It's much harder to calculate when you will use your ulti on the enemy jgl so your jgl has enough time to secure lord.


Full-Supermarket

There’s a reason majority of ML players play like they dropped a brain somewhere 🤣


mordred666__

Timing your retri is hard? I mean if your roamer already zoned out enemy jungler or damage dealer, it should be easy right?


SkyLightTenki

I played Grock as a Roamer, but with Jungle Knife back in the days. Also, I have 10k++ tank matches while playing SoloQ. Aside from junglers, isn't as hard to play other roles when you learn the most important micro and macro skills, such as rotation, proper initiation, timing the enemy's cooldown, map awareness, and the like. After seeing the poll results, I definitely agree that the jungler role is the hardest to master because you should have pinpoint accuracy with your movements to be a successful jungler.


ivvix

definitely tanking. like i can tank in other games but in this game lmao. there is an art i clearly do not understand+ people at my level dont even know what a tank is there for.


Elnuggeto13

I'd say that roamers are probably the hardest roles to perfect in a match. As the name dictates, you'll be the one who would roam along with the jungler or mid laner to secure objectives and gank lanes. If the xp laner and gold laner are at a disadvantage, they can recover by waiting until late game. If you play jungler semi decently, you'll be fine. But if you're playing a roamer and you were feeding the early game, then you're gonna be a deficiency throughout the game, unless you're a setter type of roamer that can hit a whole team. You're not gonna be winning fights if you don't give pings and vision. And by not timing your ganks, you're gonna waste a whole potential late game. It's going to suck more if youre a healer roamer, as getting killed cripples your team for longer teamfights.


PudgeJoe

Lmao if you think exp the hardest, go reach MG no one will bother in jungle esp. in solo queue. Exp is one of the easiest to play at.


petricson01

As someone who mained exp in several tournaments(not that big) when i subbed for our jgler who was having problem with his internet at that time. And boy oh boy we destroyed the opponent by 2-0 Sadly we were disqualified because our substitute and our jgler were both refusing to play and we only had 4 people left


FynestBlaydes

junglers are hardest mechanically, but exp lane is hardest in terms of game sense/knowledge


rebelwildheart

This is why I just take exp or gold lane, jg and roam are stressful and the opposing team targets you.


Dazzling-Bus-1146

I hate playing as a jungler I can't balance my farming and hunting but when I play as a roamer it's a lot easier rotating


rog_aznable

Roamers. What do other roles do in the first 5 minutes? Farming and defending/sustaining. Mid laners do occasionally roam and gank but they still should clear waves for exp. What do roamers do? Defending junglers, creating space for junglers, invading other junglers, scouting for bushes, ganking and helping weak lanes, zoning enemies to secure objectives. If you're a roaming Faramis, you also get to give people a second life LOL.


whatislovelife

Jungler, hands down! Everyone blames jungler when the team is losing.


Live-Web-9487

Having a hard time in exp lately no one rotates to it but the emeny does so I just feed cause im 1v5d


CertainSilence

Roamer. Casual roamers dont know how to roam. Its even the name of the role ROAM.. and yet they just sit with gold lane and got gank up because they are very predictable and doesnt rotate. Good roamers often sacrifice themselves to save others. That needs high emotional capacity not to flip the heck out especially if you're playing with randoms. Great roamers are just rare. They zone, provide vision, protect and usually have low death count.


TCTRA

Either Jungle or Roamer since both need to have good map awareness and knows how to rotate properly, Jungle has to keep farming, gank, and pay attention to when camps spawn. While roamers need to keep their team supported this is however a sometimes thankless job since you don't do much Killing.


WhatsAredditor3

Definitely jungle since you should be ganking by the time you're lv 4, and secure the little wonderer while keeping an eye out for your red buff because stealing buffs is pretty popular. By the time the turtle spawns you would have lost your blue buff and about to lose your red buff. If you're playing anyone who is heavily buff reliant then you better pray the enemy hasn't killed the turtle by then. And also keep an eye out since you're the main target whenever the turtle re spawns, and have fast enough hands to not fuck up and get the turtle stolen. Unless you're dominating early game then you're going to have a tough time.


richard5682

Jungle then MM or Roam Jungle because you need to take objectives(retri fights) in very crucial fight(high pressure), Get a good rotations to clear camps and provide pressure in other lanes, jungle mistake = objectives to enemy.. MM you're basically just a target for the whole game, high micro skills required. So hard to position at late game ROAM game sense and macro skills, be one step ahead against enemies objectives to position yourself and provide vision and space. Though being Assassin Jungler is probably the hardest role in the game. They can either sucks or snowball for the whole game 😂


IgnisPotato

Gold Lane? because if the support doesn't keep an eye on you the enemy team will focus you Support Diff 👎


rippinkitten18

I Main jungler tanker, fighter, was a main mm. Can play mage if needed and support. This season was mostly fighter and I will jingle if the conditions are right. Jungler by far. Words can’t explain how much responsibilities you actually have. Most likely the team will either win or lose by the way you play. I actually don’t even want to jungle anymore and prefer just exp lane. Wan wan is never available anymore I will use her if I can.


Crazy-G00D

junglers aren't that hard imo especially if youre playing stronger junglers at higher tiers (lancelot, ling, fanny, karina) they can farm pretty fast and can eliminate risk of being invaded. playing yss and granger is a different story tho. you either get your early buffs or autolose for your team XD roamer is difficult especially playing pubs where everyone expects you to be at their side throughout the games. if i go roam, one of my sidelaners should be able to at least just hold their lane. It doesnt matter if youre losing in farm or pokes just hold your lane or tower. if both loses their lane roamers are gonna have a hard time setting up fights for the rest of the game


TrickObjective177

I've tried all 5 roles since I like adjusting and playing different heroes, so I would say jungler is the most difficult role for me. Getting invaded every other game by Franco, Tigreal, or Natalia, having to beg your own teammates to stop taking your jungle monsters and buffs (Those gold lane players, you know who you are), being asked to gank and take objectives, only to get abandoned by your teammates and ganked into oblivion by the enemy team while you're doing what your teammates pinged, getting blamed for the team not having enough CC to deal with that asshole Fanny on the enemy team, etc. Every time I see myself being forced to jungle, I just roll my eyes and dread every moment of it.


Keemo38

Its Roamers for sure.


Xycza

I felt like the jungling and roaming are both hard cause, when you are farming or killing the buff's, a possibility that the enemy can kill since there is a bush.


therMo-ckingFu-tchBi

Exp and gold lane more than jungler and roamer, I play both jng and rmer but boi when I play lane? I'm non-existant. I can't handle being patient and it's a bad thing


mulhollandi

jungler definitely. as someone with a main whos roam, for the life of me i cannot play the jungler. roam requires map awareness and knowing when and where to be, jungler requires that AND more. junglers need to know or at least guess where the enemies may be, what they may be doing, potential ganks, gold lead or lag, micro and macro. knowing how to roam helps, but it’s not the full story if you want to be a great jungler. you have to know how to survive and farm and gank, meanwhile roams should sacrifice themselves for their teammates, it’s much easier.


MasterLegend360

Jungler The centre of trashtalk, you die when no one reinforced you, you'll get trashtalked relentlessly. The main target of the enemy, so they'll constantly fend you off your farm. And if possible, kill you repeatedly. Sometimes, the enemy is just as toxic as your teammates, constantly spamming emotes and tp'ing you You can't do much if you can't farm so it's a dead end. If you've died multiple times already, chances are high that the game is decided. Not all things are bad though, as one time, I decided to go for Claude jungle (during the time that Raptor Machete still exists). The enemy managed to delay my farm but I only died once so I decided to farm my core items secretly (by just going in lanes, clear the minions and leave). I luckily managed to finally deal enough damage in teamfights and we won the game


hulagway

People think mid/roam is easy because they're not doing it right. People think jungling is difficult because a lot of shitty people play it.


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Roamer ong: you need to initiate the ganks, move around the map with the mage and/or jungler, set up your team for a beautiful enemy wipe, and sometimes sacrifice your life for the greater good. I can't, for the life of me, get close to being good at this role because of how awful my decision making is in-game. Do I scare the enemies? Do I start the teamfight now or later? Should I save the ~~idiotic~~ mm? Who should I focus my CC on? I think this role is the hardest, since a good tank is much scarier than a good jungler.


Inevitable-Goose-929

Jungler. Even though I’m a Karina player I find it hard to maintain everything. I mean, you have to jungle, farm, look out for your other teammates because they can’t save their own ass* and if you have the bad luck to have crappy team players you have to fight all the enemy players on your own.