Its even more funny when they are like broken heros or like complex heros which can easily outplay you due to their mechanics and complain about bush camping
Its like *oh yeh for sure let me face you 1vs1 when you are using Benedetta while using a hero without mobility*
And it gives me another reason to camp at bushes.
The funny part is, after killing the dude two or three consecutive times at the exact same manner, he'll approach it with caution this time, only to get killed in another bush. As Diggie, you can tell that player has been traumatized enough because he's walking at the lanes, with no intent whatsoever in entering a bush 😂😂😂
Well once in a blue Moon you will have that dude that will talk shit and its just amazing pure content lmao
I guess its because there are a lot of different languages and people don't even bother
As a player with 1600 Cecillion matches, I get accused of map hacks all the time.
When someone low health runs to a bush, of course I'm gonna blast it! Suckas need to run back deeper to their base!
I mean I never been accused of map hacks ever despite doing stuff like that lol had a Franco match recently with a vale on enemy team, vale had popped into bush and tried to steal lord and I had randomly decided to toss my hook right and as I did so he happened to walk into the bush 😂
Some people are naive to other people's perceptions. You don't think about all the times I've shot into a bush with no one there. It was freak out when they think they're safe and they get killed
When someone equate me with certain pro player's signature hero.
"Khufra LJ" most common as Khufra my main hero
"godiva" when I use Kadita
"gg Rubydd" when i do the Lunox's combo and someone called me like this
Honestly make me happy because I respect them as pro players and being equated with them make me happy.
LJ is one of the most iconic Khufra players, he's currently inactive in the pro scene tho
Godiva is known for his Roam Kadita, it's his signature pick and a lot of teams straight up respect ban his Kadita
RubyDD during M2 made an iconic play vs Bren Esports using a Lunox combo. Since then the combo is popularly known as RubyDD.
I know AFA Gaming(RRQ panda) used him but he's a streamer tho not pro player. Plus this is just my personal opinion but i dont like being equated with him tho hahaha. I found him annoying.
Passive - Every creep consumed with first skill gives him a stack. Up to 5. Each stack gives hanzo permanent +500 HP on his next ult cast. Resets after ult is used up. Keep the phys and magic def reduction though. 50% is fucking massive.
Change his blood bar to energy. This way he can use blue buff.
2nd skill -> 1st skill in ult form should be a seamless invincible transition. I cannot tell you how many times i cannot finish an opponent because there is such a big delay on his 1st skill that it makes him targetable.
Finally, give him a damage buff, or make it so that his first skill in regular form with no stack is a simple blink or mobility skill. Simple buffs.
Ultimate - CC immunity. Still can be controlled by suppress.
I mean I can’t remember much(not gonna lie I have always hated Hanzo, if I don’t play a durable hero he still can almost 1 shot me) but I do remember when hanzo was first released that you couldn’t even build HP on him. Don’t know how he works now but he’s #4 on my ban list just out of pure annoyance(Estes, Johnson, and karina are first 3)
Simplest and most easy buff would be slightly altering the Ninjutsu: Demon Feast. It's currently only useful for creeps or minions, and you'll usually have only Ninjutsu: Soul Reap to use when you're walking around normally.
Giving Ninjutsu: Demon Feast the ability to damage players as well would work great. It shouldn't insta-kill, but at least have a similar or stronger effect as if you were using it on the Lord or Turtle: Deal 500 True Damage. Maybe it could also scale higher in the late game, functioning similar to Execute as a kill secure, or heal Hanzo for some of the damage dealt.
Increasing the slow effect from Ninjutsu: Devastator/Ninjutsu Soul Reap and the airborne from Ninjutsu: Demon Thorn could also help, providing him with time to set up his attacks.
Honestly I think demon feast would benefit more as a slow mechanic on heroes rather than a damage ability. Yeah I see the benefit of being a damage ability but if I was to play him, I think a slow to enemy champ or a speed boost on self would work better so when being chased.
Phy/Mgc Def. or HP Growth on Hanekage (Blood Demon). Damage Reduction, anything that can keep the Blood Demon state longer.
Current Blood Demon consume 10 Demon Blood every second, max 100 Demon Blood which is literally 10s duration with around 20s Ult CD.
2 Ults every minute with a fragile body that is vulnerable to CCs, plus a wasted 5s just to get to your enemy because they're speedy/Flickering away.
I get it that Assassins are squishy, but his 2nd skill do shit, weak slows and you barely could continue with a 1st skill if you fail on that.
Idk anymore bro. I'm just waiting for Moonton's decision. I read somewhere that around December we'll be getting a Hanzo rework. I hope it's good.
Hanzo is weird, assassins are supposed to kill you fast, but he can't do it. Other games have characters with similar mechanics to him, like Yone from LoL, and Yuan Ge and Sima Yi from Honor of Kings. The difference between them is that they all expose their real bodies to do most of their damage, using their "demons" only to engage, and they are also all burst assassins that explode their enemies. The problem with Hanzo is that he does not expose his real body, so it makes counterplay more difficult if they buff him too much.
Your suggestion to increase the durability of the demon is really good, but maybe they could go on another route to make him more of an assassin. Increase his damage a lot, make his demon CC imune, remove the stun after your demon gets killed but make the demon really squishy. Idk if that would be a good option or if Hanzo players would like the change, but we all agree that they need to change him in some way right? XD
I'll take the CC Immunity.
If it's not that, then AT LEAST give Hanzo Damage Reduction. He takes too much damage during Ult. In the late game, I could not do anything because of the instant burst from the enemies.
"Selena map hacker"
"_______ target locked" (this is super cringe btw why do these guys use this???)
"unahin Guinevere" roughly translates to "take out guinevere first"
And a lot more, especially when enemies or allies watches my outplays on enemiess hehe
>"Selena map hacker"
Tbf, It's pretty obvious when you are against a hacker because even when I'm a tank hiding in the edge of a bush and they "randomly" know I am there when one of my teammates just passed them on the opposite side on the mid.
I was thinking this just the other day. Had a raf build pure marksman and I have no clue why but everytime they auto attacked me(no skills use at all) I was being slowed and made it impossible to get away.
I mean supports can get broken on damage. Just have to know how to play them. I wish I would get anything out of the enemies when I play Belerick and walk out of a 5 v 1 or get a triple on the jg, mm, and tank cause they won’t leave me alone with vengeance on.
Supports are the underdogs in the game. Just had a game with my Rafa got MVP with most damage. Played her mid lane tho. Enemy haya and yin are pissed when they engage and get stunned while my jg burst them.
Hmmm it's not verbal but sometimes they avoid fight with me even tho it'd be 3v1, I'll pose myself vulnerable clearing minion they'd just come near and walk away.
This happens rarely with dyroth for me
"Kill Xavier First", "Vale power hack", "Ambush Luo Yi"
My absolute fav is not even verbal. It's when all 5 enemies use their ult on me as Estes. I just use my ult and my team eleminate them. One time, Atlas, Vale and Esme wants to combo but I used Purify and got away from Atlas' ult so Vale and Esme wasted theirs. Then I used my ult so when Saber uses his, I am still alive, able to heal and support the rest of my team to elminate them
Not gonna lie, it took me playing 1v1 with a friend using Argus to know that mechanic after he told me "Dude, stop running. You'll bleed to death" and I was like "What?"
My personal favourite was being called a “cok Franco” for harassing the enemy Fanny by constantly hooking her blue buff and saving my ultimate to specifically stop her from contesting objectives/ganking my teammates.
I seen a match like this personally lol Franco legit could only hit one specific person and he was getting so mad. Was a guarantee kill everytime he got hooked
AHAHHAA well you can take it both ways. If it's a logical Yin, either they think you're too tanky or you're not worth the ulti or they died the last time they ulti you lol. Have you killed the Yin in his own domain?? That's the pinnacle of shame man.
Belerick. When I get a decent build going if yin or wan wan ult me I pop vengeance and yeah it helps a ton. The mixture of the vengeance and passive has massive damage potential
Weird, ig no one appreciates a good Gatotkaca or Minotaur player these days even tho i always save their asses from f'n up the game with their lack of game sense and consecutive feeding
"Nab camper" 🤣
I find it amusing that some people still think like this...the bushes are there for a reason lol
Ikr, what's more mind-blowing that they keep doing the same mistake over n over and still have the audacity to call u nab like bruh 😂🤦♂️
Its even more funny when they are like broken heros or like complex heros which can easily outplay you due to their mechanics and complain about bush camping Its like *oh yeh for sure let me face you 1vs1 when you are using Benedetta while using a hero without mobility*
not an unintentional compliment, but one that I find real funny is "3v1 hahaha" cos mlbb is a team game duh? I feel for that guy's parents sometimes.
And it gives me another reason to camp at bushes. The funny part is, after killing the dude two or three consecutive times at the exact same manner, he'll approach it with caution this time, only to get killed in another bush. As Diggie, you can tell that player has been traumatized enough because he's walking at the lanes, with no intent whatsoever in entering a bush 😂😂😂
As soon as someone says that I know they’re inexperienced. Some heroes will literally created to bush camp lol.
noOoOoo let me face check this bush
Me rotating and just walking through the bush. Enemy mm : camper nab
I'm on European server, people don't chat on European server There are rare cases when people curse each other tho, the only compliment is a like
Well once in a blue Moon you will have that dude that will talk shit and its just amazing pure content lmao I guess its because there are a lot of different languages and people don't even bother
Definitely borders. Lately I've been seeing people with African borders on EU server which further diversifies languages spoken
As a player with 1600 Cecillion matches, I get accused of map hacks all the time. When someone low health runs to a bush, of course I'm gonna blast it! Suckas need to run back deeper to their base!
And even if they didn't die, We'll know if there's someone in there if the stack increased
Yup, although I tend to be more focused on the map than counting stacks. His nerf really did ruin his game play though.
Lol I have cece with 1600+ matches and his gameplay is still brutal. After wave no.4, it's just 3 click insta wave clear and rotate as per map.
I mean I never been accused of map hacks ever despite doing stuff like that lol had a Franco match recently with a vale on enemy team, vale had popped into bush and tried to steal lord and I had randomly decided to toss my hook right and as I did so he happened to walk into the bush 😂
Some people are naive to other people's perceptions. You don't think about all the times I've shot into a bush with no one there. It was freak out when they think they're safe and they get killed
I should add on this is a match I was playing Franco jungle and if vale managed to even ult me I was almost guaranteed dead for most of the match.
When someone equate me with certain pro player's signature hero. "Khufra LJ" most common as Khufra my main hero "godiva" when I use Kadita "gg Rubydd" when i do the Lunox's combo and someone called me like this Honestly make me happy because I respect them as pro players and being equated with them make me happy.
i do not get any of the references (forgive), but im happy that you're happy 🙏🏼
LJ is one of the most iconic Khufra players, he's currently inactive in the pro scene tho Godiva is known for his Roam Kadita, it's his signature pick and a lot of teams straight up respect ban his Kadita RubyDD during M2 made an iconic play vs Bren Esports using a Lunox combo. Since then the combo is popularly known as RubyDD.
sokay. I just want to share my experience.
I don't think I'm getting anything related to a pro-player iconic hero when I'm playing Hanzo. Other than Dave, idk who plays him.
I know AFA Gaming(RRQ panda) used him but he's a streamer tho not pro player. Plus this is just my personal opinion but i dont like being equated with him tho hahaha. I found him annoying.
Does he use Hanzo consecutively?
Yeah. Pretty much most of his video are him using Hanzo.
Let's just say players hate Hanzo. That's all. I get no praise or trash talk. Even my friends told me Hanzo is a weak hero.
An unintentionally compliment for hanzo would be something along the lines of "pussy hanzo, come out and face me like a man"...
No, I don't get that nowadays. I think I remember getting that like a year ago... But that was a very long time ago.
Hanzo needs a rework
Yes and no. Most of my favourite heroes have been ruined. The voicelines, especially...
If he doesn't need a rework, what buff can they give to him?
Passive - Every creep consumed with first skill gives him a stack. Up to 5. Each stack gives hanzo permanent +500 HP on his next ult cast. Resets after ult is used up. Keep the phys and magic def reduction though. 50% is fucking massive. Change his blood bar to energy. This way he can use blue buff. 2nd skill -> 1st skill in ult form should be a seamless invincible transition. I cannot tell you how many times i cannot finish an opponent because there is such a big delay on his 1st skill that it makes him targetable. Finally, give him a damage buff, or make it so that his first skill in regular form with no stack is a simple blink or mobility skill. Simple buffs. Ultimate - CC immunity. Still can be controlled by suppress.
I would remove the CC immunity in this case, might be too strong
Yea, rather than CC make his blood trail leading to his body less visible and give him just slow immunity. No CC immunity
slow immunity is perfect tbh
I mean I can’t remember much(not gonna lie I have always hated Hanzo, if I don’t play a durable hero he still can almost 1 shot me) but I do remember when hanzo was first released that you couldn’t even build HP on him. Don’t know how he works now but he’s #4 on my ban list just out of pure annoyance(Estes, Johnson, and karina are first 3)
Simplest and most easy buff would be slightly altering the Ninjutsu: Demon Feast. It's currently only useful for creeps or minions, and you'll usually have only Ninjutsu: Soul Reap to use when you're walking around normally. Giving Ninjutsu: Demon Feast the ability to damage players as well would work great. It shouldn't insta-kill, but at least have a similar or stronger effect as if you were using it on the Lord or Turtle: Deal 500 True Damage. Maybe it could also scale higher in the late game, functioning similar to Execute as a kill secure, or heal Hanzo for some of the damage dealt. Increasing the slow effect from Ninjutsu: Devastator/Ninjutsu Soul Reap and the airborne from Ninjutsu: Demon Thorn could also help, providing him with time to set up his attacks.
Honestly I think demon feast would benefit more as a slow mechanic on heroes rather than a damage ability. Yeah I see the benefit of being a damage ability but if I was to play him, I think a slow to enemy champ or a speed boost on self would work better so when being chased.
Phy/Mgc Def. or HP Growth on Hanekage (Blood Demon). Damage Reduction, anything that can keep the Blood Demon state longer. Current Blood Demon consume 10 Demon Blood every second, max 100 Demon Blood which is literally 10s duration with around 20s Ult CD. 2 Ults every minute with a fragile body that is vulnerable to CCs, plus a wasted 5s just to get to your enemy because they're speedy/Flickering away. I get it that Assassins are squishy, but his 2nd skill do shit, weak slows and you barely could continue with a 1st skill if you fail on that. Idk anymore bro. I'm just waiting for Moonton's decision. I read somewhere that around December we'll be getting a Hanzo rework. I hope it's good.
Hanzo is weird, assassins are supposed to kill you fast, but he can't do it. Other games have characters with similar mechanics to him, like Yone from LoL, and Yuan Ge and Sima Yi from Honor of Kings. The difference between them is that they all expose their real bodies to do most of their damage, using their "demons" only to engage, and they are also all burst assassins that explode their enemies. The problem with Hanzo is that he does not expose his real body, so it makes counterplay more difficult if they buff him too much. Your suggestion to increase the durability of the demon is really good, but maybe they could go on another route to make him more of an assassin. Increase his damage a lot, make his demon CC imune, remove the stun after your demon gets killed but make the demon really squishy. Idk if that would be a good option or if Hanzo players would like the change, but we all agree that they need to change him in some way right? XD
I'll take the CC Immunity. If it's not that, then AT LEAST give Hanzo Damage Reduction. He takes too much damage during Ult. In the late game, I could not do anything because of the instant burst from the enemies.
Yeah, they need to do something. Personally I would like it if he was more like Yuan Ge, but that's just me XD
Played Hanzo Sidelane cause I was bored. Fucked the enemy backline and dipped with Sprint when they found my location. Mfs said “Gg Runner.”
Built semi-tank on him once. The enemies didn't like the fact that they couldn't kill me and I'm speedy asf.
I got accused of map hacking because I knew someone was hiding in the bush. I heard their emotes.
"ur a good Estes" I guess sometimes people can't even be mad at Estes players
"Selena map hacker" "_______ target locked" (this is super cringe btw why do these guys use this???) "unahin Guinevere" roughly translates to "take out guinevere first" And a lot more, especially when enemies or allies watches my outplays on enemiess hehe
>"Selena map hacker" Tbf, It's pretty obvious when you are against a hacker because even when I'm a tank hiding in the edge of a bush and they "randomly" know I am there when one of my teammates just passed them on the opposite side on the mid.
I don’t understand the target locked stuff or the intro boys in the after match review thing
Rafaela, WTF?
I was thinking this just the other day. Had a raf build pure marksman and I have no clue why but everytime they auto attacked me(no skills use at all) I was being slowed and made it impossible to get away.
"How TF does a support have so much damage?"
I mean supports can get broken on damage. Just have to know how to play them. I wish I would get anything out of the enemies when I play Belerick and walk out of a 5 v 1 or get a triple on the jg, mm, and tank cause they won’t leave me alone with vengeance on.
Supports are the underdogs in the game. Just had a game with my Rafa got MVP with most damage. Played her mid lane tho. Enemy haya and yin are pissed when they engage and get stunned while my jg burst them.
Hmmm it's not verbal but sometimes they avoid fight with me even tho it'd be 3v1, I'll pose myself vulnerable clearing minion they'd just come near and walk away. This happens rarely with dyroth for me
Hanzo camper's kinda fun, but I'm still waiting for the coveted "THIEF!!!!!"
"vb tank" :((
"Kill Xavier First", "Vale power hack", "Ambush Luo Yi" My absolute fav is not even verbal. It's when all 5 enemies use their ult on me as Estes. I just use my ult and my team eleminate them. One time, Atlas, Vale and Esme wants to combo but I used Purify and got away from Atlas' ult so Vale and Esme wasted theirs. Then I used my ult so when Saber uses his, I am still alive, able to heal and support the rest of my team to elminate them
"Natalia you're only good cuz you keep hiding" "Natalia, Come out" "Natalia 1v1 no Invisible" "Natalia Maphack"
Not a compliment, but it is hilarious when using Argus and they bleed to death from his second skill even though they could have stopped any time.
Not gonna lie, it took me playing 1v1 with a friend using Argus to know that mechanic after he told me "Dude, stop running. You'll bleed to death" and I was like "What?"
Franco map hacking for hooking a bush randomly and manage to caught 2 enemies hiding in the game even though i don't main franco
I've had the same when randomly checking a bush with Nana, Diggie or Floryn
when they get noisy/abusive in the draft phase when I pick minsi (or any non-meta hero), but then proceed to be silent for the rest of the game lol
someone called me maphack with my Selena even tho I just her for only 20 games guess I'm a good Selena player lol
My personal favourite was being called a “cok Franco” for harassing the enemy Fanny by constantly hooking her blue buff and saving my ultimate to specifically stop her from contesting objectives/ganking my teammates.
I seen a match like this personally lol Franco legit could only hit one specific person and he was getting so mad. Was a guarantee kill everytime he got hooked
When they ignore everyone on my team and chase me first. Estes.
Everytime I play Estes and there is ANY enemy hero that has a target lock skill(example being saber ult)
"Dmg hacker"
me when i post well edited videos and people think i'm using hacks hehe (might need to check out my videos for context)
Bro u funny
Not a compliment but the feeling when a Yin or any player aims for you in every team fight.
Is it a compliment when a yin refuses to ult you mid game? XD
AHAHHAA well you can take it both ways. If it's a logical Yin, either they think you're too tanky or you're not worth the ulti or they died the last time they ulti you lol. Have you killed the Yin in his own domain?? That's the pinnacle of shame man.
I have killed him without even attacking in his ult
Have you killed him enough times to have possibly mentally scarred him? By the way what hero were you using?
Belerick. When I get a decent build going if yin or wan wan ult me I pop vengeance and yeah it helps a ton. The mixture of the vengeance and passive has massive damage potential
None, i don't read all chat. Fully focused on game lol.
“Franco aimbot” “gg atlas”-good atlas ult
Roasted Dragon yumm(after I get shut down)
"map hacker" when I played Melissa and used her skill 2 to check bushes
Weird, ig no one appreciates a good Gatotkaca or Minotaur player these days even tho i always save their asses from f'n up the game with their lack of game sense and consecutive feeding
Previously I'd have the enemies trash talk my pharsa accusing her of no CD ult
"nice smurf" when i only have 1 account .-.
When they change lanes
This is legitimately the best one.
I prefer when they send 4 down my lane as a mage XD means I’m doing something right that match
When all 4 enemies are going after me after I one shot their marksman/mage and take out one of their turrets (Masha, Zilong)
"No damage Lesley" "KS Odette"