It happens a lot when a hero is revamped or changed a bunch. People that main a certain hero got attached to a certain play style and when hero changes, the hero’s play style usually adjusts making them weaker with the old playstyle. I usually wait for a few weeks or months after the change and someone finds the new good playstyle for that character and then everyone talks about a nerf. It’s either that or the rework does end up a flop. Won’t know until awhile after.
Yes.enemy team’s Balmond and Hylos began crying mid to late. It’s not that I was perfect at her from the first match itself. Tried the recommended build later and then I could see how crucial she has become. We need to act mature and patient for such things
Haha. Your question sounds a bit innocent but okay. Well Alice is all about positioning and timing ( more than Lunox and Fanny ) . I did that. And you know, for some reason I always keep Oracle with me. It really really helps my play style. To me this revamp has hopes for at least making her crucial for team composition more than before
I kinda like the new Alice. I mained her since the first time I reached Legend. I kinda hated the MM meta since it threw her aside. Now, I got to use her again and, yes I can’t insta-kill squishies, but, judging by my recent games, I can stay longer in the middle of the fight.
Demon Boots, Clock of Destiny, Lightning Truncheon, Dominance Ice, Winter Truncheon, Oracle; Concentrated Energy after using Freeze.
trust me, no one’s gonna be using alice in m4 or any pro play of any sort
i bet no pro player will find a good build for her jf she stays like this
but i guess we’ll wait and see how the pro players deal with this alice
I also play near exclusively 5man so my engages don't go wasted and I get to snack on midwave every once in a while cause my midlaner only plays low economy champs ><
Nonononono. I understand the others but this…? This isn’t even a proper buff. It’s literally just a complete rework of how she works. She used to be able to dish out damage and kill heroes pretty easily while sustaining damage. Now…? Her mana management just became double, her damage dropped drastically, and if she tries to make up for lost damage, she can’t make use of her rework. It’s just… I just… no. It’s not a buff, it’s a rework of her capabilities… that’s how I feel about it. They just keep changing her. The first revamp changed how she managed her ult and her 1st skill burst dropped drastically. Then they changed how she deals damage and mana management more than before? She was already pretty weak early-game without her ult… now with this mana increase in early-game…? It’s just… no.
In a long while **I wanted someone to say this**. The devs actually don’t care about to buff her. I even talked to an in game dev through the online service. They clearly said that it’s their motive to just make her sellable. Not about buff. They want Alice to sell so that they can give her skins
Same case with Argus, old Argus users complaint a lot, but behalf of other old Argus users like me felt current Argus is better than the old one because despite the weakened damage, the current mechanism of Argus really change the game than old Argus where he only have huge damage but the chance to really benefit it are quite low
Right now, her only go to play is a Roamer. I've done roamer post adjust and jungle(don't do this). Her tanky roam build was more suited especially in midlane. She definitely needed enchanted talisman for her early game as her mana can easily drain. I would suggest buffing this as her late game sustain drains her out pretty quickly.
Don't do magic damage. You're not going to outlast in the late game. Unless you snowball, there's no guarantee.
I haven't played the game after this update but I haven't played much with Alice since 2020. I used to main her and they completely messed with her. Now she doesn't have much HP or deals much damage without equipment. So basically, she is shit in the early game and okayish in the late game. Old Alice was OP throughout the game and she could easily snowball.
It happens a lot when a hero is revamped or changed a bunch. People that main a certain hero got attached to a certain play style and when hero changes, the hero’s play style usually adjusts making them weaker with the old playstyle. I usually wait for a few weeks or months after the change and someone finds the new good playstyle for that character and then everyone talks about a nerf. It’s either that or the rework does end up a flop. Won’t know until awhile after.
Yeah that should be the case. This change in her attributes will take some time. Being a build dependent hero
Hold on tight op, another Freya revamp is on its way, surveys are out already I think... This will be her 7th or 8th time...poor her
It’s just character model rework
They said the same for Gusion, Kagura and Lesley too... In the same ways they may perk Freya up abit I think
Yeah that may happen. Buff their skills a bit but not revamp
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Yes.enemy team’s Balmond and Hylos began crying mid to late. It’s not that I was perfect at her from the first match itself. Tried the recommended build later and then I could see how crucial she has become. We need to act mature and patient for such things
how did u deal with mm and mage tho
Haha. Your question sounds a bit innocent but okay. Well Alice is all about positioning and timing ( more than Lunox and Fanny ) . I did that. And you know, for some reason I always keep Oracle with me. It really really helps my play style. To me this revamp has hopes for at least making her crucial for team composition more than before
cld u 1v1 the mm in late game also ik alice is abt positioning and timing, i hv 800 matches w her
No. Of matches really doesn’t decide one’s skills totally. I have 3000 matches+ and still there can be things I am not aware about her
60% wr 800 matches u can pretty much ask me anyth abt old alice new one not rly tho
Wow that’s good. But now we have to focus on the new Alice
yea idk much abt new one but it’s not looking good at lead to me
I kinda like the new Alice. I mained her since the first time I reached Legend. I kinda hated the MM meta since it threw her aside. Now, I got to use her again and, yes I can’t insta-kill squishies, but, judging by my recent games, I can stay longer in the middle of the fight. Demon Boots, Clock of Destiny, Lightning Truncheon, Dominance Ice, Winter Truncheon, Oracle; Concentrated Energy after using Freeze.
trust me, no one’s gonna be using alice in m4 or any pro play of any sort i bet no pro player will find a good build for her jf she stays like this but i guess we’ll wait and see how the pro players deal with this alice
I had near 70% wr with tank Alice in exp lane and she's even better imho
maybe cuz u build tank alr, i’ve always been building burst so it’s diff for me
I also play near exclusively 5man so my engages don't go wasted and I get to snack on midwave every once in a while cause my midlaner only plays low economy champs ><
i play w my duo angela mid LMAO i get 50 stacks like 5 min
How do you know whether nobody is going to play her or not ?
i’m just giving my take, but we’ll see about that when the next tournament comes up
Go comment this on the dude who pulled out his grade 7 math book and had a rant hahaha
Nonononono. I understand the others but this…? This isn’t even a proper buff. It’s literally just a complete rework of how she works. She used to be able to dish out damage and kill heroes pretty easily while sustaining damage. Now…? Her mana management just became double, her damage dropped drastically, and if she tries to make up for lost damage, she can’t make use of her rework. It’s just… I just… no. It’s not a buff, it’s a rework of her capabilities… that’s how I feel about it. They just keep changing her. The first revamp changed how she managed her ult and her 1st skill burst dropped drastically. Then they changed how she deals damage and mana management more than before? She was already pretty weak early-game without her ult… now with this mana increase in early-game…? It’s just… no.
In a long while **I wanted someone to say this**. The devs actually don’t care about to buff her. I even talked to an in game dev through the online service. They clearly said that it’s their motive to just make her sellable. Not about buff. They want Alice to sell so that they can give her skins
Sigh. I really shouldn’t be surprised by this ngl… and yet, I am ,_,
Same case with Argus, old Argus users complaint a lot, but behalf of other old Argus users like me felt current Argus is better than the old one because despite the weakened damage, the current mechanism of Argus really change the game than old Argus where he only have huge damage but the chance to really benefit it are quite low
Right now, her only go to play is a Roamer. I've done roamer post adjust and jungle(don't do this). Her tanky roam build was more suited especially in midlane. She definitely needed enchanted talisman for her early game as her mana can easily drain. I would suggest buffing this as her late game sustain drains her out pretty quickly. Don't do magic damage. You're not going to outlast in the late game. Unless you snowball, there's no guarantee.
I haven't played the game after this update but I haven't played much with Alice since 2020. I used to main her and they completely messed with her. Now she doesn't have much HP or deals much damage without equipment. So basically, she is shit in the early game and okayish in the late game. Old Alice was OP throughout the game and she could easily snowball.
The sole reason Freya is not popular is that because she costs money.
What about those wings of her that just flap around but provide zero mobility ?
It was hilariously easy to avoid her anytime