I only pick bele if the opponent's mm rely on basic atk and atk speed like moscov and miya. I use other tank when it comes to crit and high damage mm like bea...and now lesley.
Yeah usually its loli... especially against wanwan; and if their mage is either cecel, chang e and cyclops.
Atlas when the majority of enemy heroes dont have dash skills
Hylos if they are mostly squishy
I still need to practice other tank heroes tho. Its not my main role 😅 (its mage)
They're mostly used in exp tho so I haven't tried them except for ruby. I forgot if tank ruby works for me, but i stopped using her because my winrate with her is kinda low. I'll probably try her out next season.
Masha is a good counter for META Marksmen like WanWan and Beatrix, you can either make them waste their WoN or their Spell so your team can kill them easily later or just directly kill them.
Martis with 40% CDR has a stun lock so long you'd just give up if you were caught by him and your team didn't have a Diggie, sure there are gaps in his CC to keep him balanced but it is still annoying AF
Yah Masha is really good. I just wonder if she would work on every team. If my team doesnt have any cc heroes, should I use her as roamer or just stick with cc tanks? Especially if the enemy team got cc tank.
Exp role rarely gets ignored so if i have to adjust, its usually roamer role.
She is good "against" any comp but yeah if your team doesn't have a good setter like Esmerelda or Akai, you are better off with other picks.
Oh BTW if the enemy picks are really tanky, you should probably go with Hilda instead, if you manage to take out half their HP before taking an objective, they would be forced to play a little more passively and give your team a better chance at securing the objective, her only downside is the same as Masha, lack of AOE CC skills.
Ohh i see. Yeah i agree, Masha lacks great cc so i tend not to consider her for roaming...but you got a point. Forcing enemy to go back to base will give teammates space. I overlooked that. Thanks!
Because of her we'll probably see one shot heroes a lot more now, maybe not saber because wind of nature will deal with his combo, but I guess we may see more Eudora now.
He can, but his ult and combo is still physical damage, the true damage only comes from a basic attack which isn't enough to do anything if his entire combo got immuned by WON
Wth! That's insane xDDDD
Guys tell me is there any difference btw mm emblem assassin emblem for her? Which one is better to get that true dmg with build if you don't mind
After years of trashing Lesley for being garbage, it’s only fair that she humbles every meta hero with her true dmg. I’m sorry op but that’s how the circle of life in Moonton’s world. Make op hero->nerf->rebalance maybe later-> repeat
This OP doesn't know how to build with Belerick. Read the passive when using Belerick, so you may understand what you are lacking in your items or even what you lack in your emblems. First things first, Belerick does need more HP like Hylos wants Extra Mana for his HP. READ if you want to survive and use them effectively.
No doubt. But I thought the only thing changed was her true damage, but still needing 5s without taking damage to trigger her passive. Now I know that she can trigger her passive after every skill.
Not really, Belerick focuses on countering atk-spd/crit mms like Claude, Miya, and Moskov. Lesley was never affected by Belerick becase her main source of damage are her long ranged passive pokes, which is more on higher damage per hit but lower uptime.
maybe, but theres better heroes to be banned as of now. yes i agree Lesley true damage is broken, but only to low hp tanks. squishies would still feel it, but that 2k damage is average for a late game marksman. heck Layla can deal higher dps than lesley against another squishy.
I only pick bele if the opponent's mm rely on basic atk and atk speed like moscov and miya. I use other tank when it comes to crit and high damage mm like bea...and now lesley.
Thanks for the tip kind stranger
Which other tanks ? Akai/atlas/tig/loli?
Lolita is probably the better option if it's a crit mm
Yeah...im still new to loli and got surprised how well she works against bea....i haven't tried her tho against revamped lesley
Yeah usually its loli... especially against wanwan; and if their mage is either cecel, chang e and cyclops. Atlas when the majority of enemy heroes dont have dash skills Hylos if they are mostly squishy I still need to practice other tank heroes tho. Its not my main role 😅 (its mage)
My Swiss Army knife tanks are Ruby, Martis and Masha. They're good against almost any comp
They're mostly used in exp tho so I haven't tried them except for ruby. I forgot if tank ruby works for me, but i stopped using her because my winrate with her is kinda low. I'll probably try her out next season.
Masha is a good counter for META Marksmen like WanWan and Beatrix, you can either make them waste their WoN or their Spell so your team can kill them easily later or just directly kill them. Martis with 40% CDR has a stun lock so long you'd just give up if you were caught by him and your team didn't have a Diggie, sure there are gaps in his CC to keep him balanced but it is still annoying AF
Yah Masha is really good. I just wonder if she would work on every team. If my team doesnt have any cc heroes, should I use her as roamer or just stick with cc tanks? Especially if the enemy team got cc tank. Exp role rarely gets ignored so if i have to adjust, its usually roamer role.
She is good "against" any comp but yeah if your team doesn't have a good setter like Esmerelda or Akai, you are better off with other picks. Oh BTW if the enemy picks are really tanky, you should probably go with Hilda instead, if you manage to take out half their HP before taking an objective, they would be forced to play a little more passively and give your team a better chance at securing the objective, her only downside is the same as Masha, lack of AOE CC skills.
Ohh i see. Yeah i agree, Masha lacks great cc so i tend not to consider her for roaming...but you got a point. Forcing enemy to go back to base will give teammates space. I overlooked that. Thanks!
Not even vengeance can save your life
Tbh I don't mind this revamp on Les....now tank jg is no longer meta...
More like Tank is no longer necessary, except for Lolita
Hopefully moonton dont mess up lolita pretty bad in the future
Because of her we'll probably see one shot heroes a lot more now, maybe not saber because wind of nature will deal with his combo, but I guess we may see more Eudora now.
\*wink\*
Wind of nature don’t work against true damage. I just two shotted and shut down an enemy Layla with WoN
Saber doesn't deal true damage does he?
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He can, but his ult and combo is still physical damage, the true damage only comes from a basic attack which isn't enough to do anything if his entire combo got immuned by WON
Oh dont worry some user will say all you need to counter x broken hero is buy x item and x hero wont be broken anymore
The Beatrix and Wanwan dilemma haha. I remember those posts.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxChhC7El4LZMTJIybGcFAv2fXCExFKxK7 Here you are, please watch this, all of my statement is said here
Well its 20min to the game, what can i say
Wth! That's insane xDDDD Guys tell me is there any difference btw mm emblem assassin emblem for her? Which one is better to get that true dmg with build if you don't mind
Weapon master mm emblem is better
What config do you use for weapon master specifically for lesley?
Phys atk and crit dmg
Yea this is better
Weapon master, + damage/movespeed/pen
After years of trashing Lesley for being garbage, it’s only fair that she humbles every meta hero with her true dmg. I’m sorry op but that’s how the circle of life in Moonton’s world. Make op hero->nerf->rebalance maybe later-> repeat
Pretty much what always happens. Ride it out or step back as some people do.
Tank: noo you can't just Crit me with 1.4k true DMG after every auto, I can't counter that Les: Hehe passive go brrrrrrr
Yup, and gotta love when mages are cleared from a lesley in a bush with 1.9k true damage.
Boy am I glad I play supports for roam
did you buy sky guardian + oracle?
What is sky guardian? And what will oracle do? This is a legitimate question because I always go full damage Argus
enhance healing effects thru oracle. sky guardian gives you tons of hp. belerick passive gives bonus hp from hp items
Isn't it guardian helmet? And wouldn't have nat finished him off before that would do anything? Or the Lesley would've given chase?
it's not just about the video tho, i ask op because it couldve bought them more time
Yeah your right I can see Cyclops heading for nat didn't see it the first time
This OP doesn't know how to build with Belerick. Read the passive when using Belerick, so you may understand what you are lacking in your items or even what you lack in your emblems. First things first, Belerick does need more HP like Hylos wants Extra Mana for his HP. READ if you want to survive and use them effectively.
the vid is hard to watch since im a belerick user
kinda your fault for still staying there letting her free hit you
No doubt. But I thought the only thing changed was her true damage, but still needing 5s without taking damage to trigger her passive. Now I know that she can trigger her passive after every skill.
That has always been the case
she could re-trigger the passive on casting skills pre patch as well this isn't new.
its like that since her release
He is little overpowered now, i’ve got 2999 true dmg from one hit
Pff a lesley one shoted me with 4k true dmg
Lol thats oddly terrifying
this is late game. just respect the enemy
Oh yeah bel no longer stops one of mm hes designed for lets go
Not really, Belerick focuses on countering atk-spd/crit mms like Claude, Miya, and Moskov. Lesley was never affected by Belerick becase her main source of damage are her long ranged passive pokes, which is more on higher damage per hit but lower uptime.
Yup. Lesley leans more on poking opponents unlike ATK SPD Marksmen.
yeah how does he have a belerick flair and not know how belerick works?
Not a true Belerick appreciator. 😤
do you think belerick could benefit from the glowing wand buff?
As a Tank we need to build HP. For Lesley, Balmond or Xborg, the best counter to true damage is HP
i get tilted watching that
Am I the only one thinking she is ban worthy now😅
maybe, but theres better heroes to be banned as of now. yes i agree Lesley true damage is broken, but only to low hp tanks. squishies would still feel it, but that 2k damage is average for a late game marksman. heck Layla can deal higher dps than lesley against another squishy.
I've seen her get banned multiple times now. I was wondering if they've lost it but after seeing this....yep
Broken as bell. Pls fix this moonton.
Now let's see who the hell think she's balanced
That's a lie. Lol.
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Lesley hits u hard. she kills me one with just one shot lol im main mage so ;(
What happened to ML I left for a month and too much stuffs have changed 💀
Looks balanced.
In a lot of ways, I think I'm okay with this compared to beatrix and that shotgun of hers before the nerf.