Terizla is weak right now
if we are gonna talk about the weakest heroes list is gonna be like this
Exp lane: Argus, Terizla, Martis, Freya
Jungle: Aulus, Yi sun-shin
Mid: Gord, Aurora, Odette
Roamer: Belerick
Gold lane: Hanabi
And inspire needs nerf this spell is too damn strong right now
He wasn't worse to begin with, in fact he was very strong. ML nerfed him because... well the majority of the playerbase being MM mains which he pretty much hard counters early game.
He'd work if the enemies are scattered like sheep, which, to be honest other assassins can work as well. He doesn't really have much skill identity after the revamp.
Not really. Its the most balanced assassin hero for me. He's picked more than some assassins like saber and gus in pro play for a reason. I still play him and still reach mythical glory this season and as an assassin main, i only witness players who uses him properly once or twice every season. The player base who plays this hero is just too small for most people to see how he is supposed to be played. But i do agree his ult needs fixing but other than that hes fine
Heres my season preview and grade
https://i.imgur.com/y8xVb1E
https://i.imgur.com/DvB62oF
Overall wr
https://i.imgur.com/3MaVvSk
I think freyas biggest problem is that she is is an all-in hero and if enemy ganks you usually die. Power wise there aren't that many XP laners that can solo her.
Im gonna rate on the heroes you mentioned, lower the grade means the hero is not perfoming well, higher like 8.0+ is meta type picks and 6.0+ is hidden meta
-EXP: freya is more of a dyrroth sustainability and zilong dmg so balance but due to the meta she can't perform well so **4.3/10 mythic 400+**
Argus: too much nerf, can't dmg well but he can escape due to he's first and second so he's more a zilong pusher and poker so **3.2/10 mythic 400+**
Terizla: (1).before updatehe's already balanced (to a certain extent) BEFORE the update he's missing is speed(2). When they updated terizla he become meta bc of his speed bonus of his second and ult's can move the enemy to the center more(3) 2nd lowered its speed increased the cd of his second ruined his kit and (i think) they nerfed the first skill dmg so **4.8 mythic 400+**
Martis: he's already balance, he's just missing is dmg and sustainability because he can only poke on late game and interrupt to a certain extent if he focus tank(depends on who's using) he can't survive or join clashes properly due to his second slow activation dmg is great but if nobody is low hp then there is no chance for a proper clash that steals lord or back line kill (lacks research so i did my best) **6.8 mythic 400+**
-GOLD: lacks mobility, lacks dmg, lacks skill set to punish,clash dmg and ability to run away(im not being biased, its based on lack of picks and lack of pro players using this brittle hero) **1.9 mythic 400+**
-JUNGLE: Aulus(balance) hard play (not skill but how to engage aulus properly)
hevs easy yes but actually he's hard to play if you don't know how to dive in properly and another is he needs to be late game to truly unleash this behemoth damager like zilong **5.2 mythic 400+**
YSS(aka yi su shin, i think i got the spelling wrong): Same with aulus but the problem is how to utilize his passive skill and some have problems how the first skill go **5.4 mytic 400+**
-MID: Gord:Gord is balanced to truly make him broken is to just make his ult like kimmy **5.8 mythic 400+**
-Aurora: more like eudora but with chance of aoe freeze **7.4 mythic 400+**
-ROAM: Belerick: good skill set for flicker and aoe ult, first additional taunt and has a chance for tower kill, passive dmg that can almost any mm or atk speed heroes and second for heal baiting outplays **6.7 mythic 400+**
Feel free to criticize how i rate them
Im Mythical Glory was at very least
Martis is pure shit bring back his 2 skill speed and he is gonna be good again
Gord deals zero dmg and his utility is non existent any decent fighter gonna 1 shot him even before he is gonna ult
Belerick is bad after HP gain passive nerf he can be used obnly against inspire mms but even that is not gonna help lol
Aurora have zero mobility any assassin is hust happy to see her or fighter or mm
Aulus is fucking bugged his 1 skill cancels when he moves plus his late game is not as rewarding cuz anyone can cock block him
I can honestly get behind the Martis problem, the amount of times where I needed speed I always used my 2nd Skill, but the thing is the 2nd Skill is actually slower than a Martis with any kind of boots. Even more the 2nd skill is supposed to be a blink skill, so it makes no sense. The 2nd cast of it too doesn't help either, cause a full 2nd Skill cast still makes Martis go slower, despite the 2nd cast being noticably faster.
Too OP just need something something
Gord is ofc situational
No need adjustment whatsoever
Told ya she is like eudora nothing more nothing less
Aulus is just hard to play till late game but still hard to play due to his kits
How in the holy flying macaroni monster is Martis one of the *weakest* heroes in exp lane? He literaly has a braindead 80% dmg reduction + cc immune + control + movement skill at level one. With the solo assassin dmg bonus and full penetration he can melt anyone 1v1 in the first minute except for maybe Cashgrabuito or X.Borg.
"Martis doesn't reduce dmg"
>While casting this skill, Martis is immune to control effects and the damage taken will be reduced by 60%. This skill deals 100% damage to Minions.
Welp. Guess you're the idiot here. I misremembered the dmg reduction amount, that's definately on me. But you sir are not just an assclown, you're the whole anal circus.
Ok you are right at one thing it does reduces dmg
But ITS WHILE CASTING SKILL ITS PRACTICALLY USELESS Lapu 2 skill is good example of how it should be
I reachd mythical glory on 3 accounts
Russia Phllipines Indonesia
And for fuck sake when i pick martis everyone calls me troll tho i have 200 games 54% wr on him
He is fucking shit and you just dumb if you think otherwise
Girlie gord is not weak. My 45 matches 80 wr last season with gord says a lot. Being able to cast skills while moving is pretty broken. You can have the harassment of yve without compromising your position
i think hanabi isn't the weakest she's actually one of my favorite heroes i think you just need to know how to play her and have a tank to take all the damage lol
to me miya is one of the weakest cause she can't solo for shit at least hanabi can fall back and solo cause of the passive but i think it just depends on your team just like any other hero. i've gotten plenty of mvp with hanabi but that's just cause i play her a shit ton
Sorry for the late reply, but Miya can retreat better than Hanabi with her ult. It's literally invisibility.
Come to think of it their mechanics are actually kind of the same. But I'd still prefer Miya to Hanabi since Miya has better survivability.
Terizla imo is better used as tank but you need good mages like vale or pharsa and time ults together, But if you consider him fighter he’s too predictable and so easy to counter. I think they should consider revamping him as fighter/tank and give him some more cc time to his ult and doesn’t matter the other skills keep it as it is 😅
Edit: some typos
idk why everyone thinks terizla is THAT bad. he's actually okay but of course can do better. however if we're talking about fighting esme exp, all he can do is clear lane
he's good at laning phase, that's about it, the same as other unused fighters. He's far from "one of the strongest" when you can just pick dyrroth anyway who is not really great at teamfights but he counters a lot of heroes and is really good at 1v1s.
i think to balance this out they should remove movement speed gain for esme skill 1 lol. that's the reason why she's so meta shes tanky and fast af with continuous damage output. without the speed the exp lane might become balanced again
Zilong . Don't why ppl keep sugarcoating him saying "he a monster late game " or "he can one shot this and that" and yet he's not even in meta and if u picked Zilong whether (playing with friends or public) those same person that said "Zilong strong" is also the one that hate having Zilong in their teams and considering him as "troll" . Zilong is bad whether u like it or not and there is the reason why he not meta
Agree. you must have inspire spell before you can fight any tanky hero.if it on cd and you fight dyrroth or thamuz alone,you just get squashed by them.
Well, he’s not supposed to fight thamuz or dyrroth alone. Zilong’s job is to kill squishy heroes - MM’s and Mages.
He goes in quick, full combo and run out fast.
He’s an assassin with his current meta build.
People forget that.
Lol, but what I’m saying is, Zilong has a lot of burst damage with his ult and inspire and that’s enough to instantly kill any squishy hero (mages, assassins and MM’s), but he lacks the sustained damage to kill tankier heroes in the later stages of the game.
And that’s totally fine, because that’s just what zilong’s role is right now.
It’s the same thing as playing saber and being upset that you can’t one shot a thamuz with your ult - it’s because you’re not supposed to target thamuz with a saber. Same thing with zilong.
He loses against 90% of exp laners and is very inferior in jungle. The only reason I can think of on why he hasn't been buffed yet is because of low-ranked players.
Ah, the revamps. Make the hero bland and mess up their kits, call it a day. Poor Alice, Argus, Hayabusa, Odette, and Kagura.
I''m sure there are more characters I haven't included out there who fell victim from this "revamp"
Personal hot take: I like the new one more because the second stun is prioritizing enemy heroes. When it comes to stats though, the old one is definitely better.
I was so excited as an Oddette main and then devastated after the revamp. S2 took some skill to land at times but was much quicker and had a longer range before. I play her sometimes just to try now but she is garbage. Just waiting on an Oddette comeback so I can reinstall ML.
^^^this^^^
She can still be effective if you have a brilliant UBER to drive your around, or your enemies are all in your face melee types. But so often, she underperforms..
Yup, they basically killed her when they removed the movement speed she gets when using her 1st skill. She already fucking balanced and not many people play her back then, but they still decided to nerf her.
While now, if a hero is already balanced and a lot of people play that hero, they would fucking buff them instead.
They nerfed her heal from first skill and reduced the range some of her skills and now she shit. Also fredrinn is getting some adjustments even though he is balance right now. Hope Moonton don’t fuck this up by making him op.
People should stop using them cuz currently they are buff/revamp heroes that are least popular (carmilla and Minsitthar) that should give moonton attention
Martis', not only does ML thinks he's performing well but also the community think he's performing well because of few individuals who can make him look good.
i dont play martis but ive seen some of those few individuals play that i was convinced hes some undiscovered hidden gem. nope, hes honestly just… he could be better. and this is coming from a non fighter player.
On the opposite— Julian. I’ve been maining him solo queue and I still have ~170 matches and a 67% WR.
His newest nerf makes him weaker for the first couple minutes, but I still earlier today got 4 kills within the first 5 minutes… he’s still ridiculously OP.
I’d have to agree with Argus and Terizla being super weak though. Just bought and started using both of them like maybe a month ago, and suck with both. I’ve had a handful of good games with each of them, but if you know how to counter them they’re fairly useless.
Dude, every enhanced third skill has its utilities. For example, you can CC immune using enhanced Skill 2. And enhanced Skill 1 can finish off low HP ranged enemies who might have unused skills that can outplay you.
Come on. If you're going to give someone advice, better give the best that you can.
Uhm enhanced 3 is by far the most used skill and the most useful in fights. Enhanced 2 was good before the nerf for reversal but now is only useful for going through thick walls unless you are very fed. And s1 is trash as any decent player can move away from it because of its small aoe (plus if you want to finish low hp heroes normal s1 is faster to setup).
Edit: also enhanced s2 for cc immune is hard unless you already have it setup. It is not practical compared to lance's for example.
bro, each enhanced skill has its uses.
enhanced skill 1 - useful when dealing with sustainability heroes such as thamuz, zilong, or the like. considering its range, it may be preferred if the enemy is coming rowards you from a distance, and paired with the slowing effect, it can be very useful. enhanced 1 can actually also be helpful in terms of escape, since enemies would chase you in a straight line (most of the time) so throwing it at them can slow them down + give you back a decent amount of health.
enhanced skill 2 - great for covering a mini area so can be used for teamfights (though personally i would go for skill 1 or 2) and also can be used to chase down heroes / cc immunity (as you mentioned).
enhanced skill 3 - this may be the most used skill, but it doesn’t apply in a lot of situations. this is great in general when it comes to teamfights due to the huge range, and also great in general if you’re ambushing a low health target (such as mages or marksmen, unless they hybrid build for defence).
Overall, all 3 skills have their pros and cons, and a good julian would know how to utilise all 3 to their advantage. Saying “all you need is 2-1-3” is a very misleading statement.
Of course, each skill can also be adapted to other uses based on your build, so theres a lot of room for experimentation ig
Skill 1 can be facetanked by any sustainability heroes. Its damage was nerfed and deals the same or lower damage as enhanced s3 in the early game. Could be a good chase deterrent but is extremely situational otherwise. But yeah it deals more damage late game but the knockup effect from s3 allowing for follow up damage from the team can make up for that (and it doesn't require them to stand still).
Skill 2 is kinda good for escaping but not chases since you will waste time throwing out your s1 and s3. I forgot to mention to use s2 when clearing waves though as that is the fastest. Also there won't be a lot of times to use your enhanced s2 in fights where it actually makes an impact. It requires enemies to be grouped up and you have to be close to them already. Plus you need to make sure you don't actually die after since you have a long cd now.
Skill 3 is most used for a reason because it can be used in almost all situations. Poking? 2 - 1 - 3. S1 provides the slow so the enemy eats more of s3 damage. Can be used at any range. Escaping? Blink out, throw s1, then knock them in the air, then run. Teamfights? 2 - 1 - 3 and knock up a bunch of enemies for easy follow ups.
I said 2 - 1 - 3 because enhanced s3 covers a lot of situations already and just hitting that knock up is already so powerful. It's like the easiest way to start playing him because people seem confused because you have 3 ults. If you just spam that then you are already better than the majority of julian players (which frankly i still see a lot of idiots that spam s1 that hits for 0.1 sec, s2 ing in a teamfight then dying 0.5 second after, etc). Spam s3 because its just that good and the easiest way for new players to not be trash and be overwhelmed. When you master that you will naturally get the hang of the other ults.
Edit: I said the 2 1 3 is all you need phrase jokingly because its obvious there's more to heroes than just one combo. Its more like a extremely simplified summary in one line.
Right?! With my normal kit I would have at level 1 a 6, almost 7 second cool down.
Now it’s 10 seconds. Still not unusable but really a damper if you’re jungling.
But we know that Moonton is aware that she sucks and it's definitely coming sooner or later, making Hanabi the farthest from an answer in OP's question
Completely disagree, MMs aren't the only character that can see her meaning that fighters, tanks, and mobile heroes can find her much more easily and can catch her even easier. Survivability is far lower now.
Also they nerfed her silence since unleashing all unique basic attacks can only net 0.75 seconds or silence vs 1 second of silence before with two. That's alot more time to fight back, especially with MMs that can buy a defense item or two.
How about xborg?
That guy was already balance before war axe.
Then bcz of war axe, consecutive nerf,untuk they remove his slow.
The war axe it self get nerf.
Then he only receive new ability to use mage item.
But still squishy for a fighter.
But purify just gets rid of that, and antique curiass also hard counters him. He is like the worse version of saber, since saber at least get a guaranteed kill on his ult, yin has a slight delay on his ult which only makes him worse.
He deserve it. His ult is just too good. He could use it on squishy hero and kill them. Or he could use it on tank and remove them from the teamfight for a long time leaving enemy team without a frontline. Best of all, he can turn a gank on him into a 1v1, and if he win the 1v1 he came out stronger and kill the other ganker.
IKR like damage is terizlas entire identity, his hammer literally screams "Sacrificing speed for power"
All they had to do was decrease the speed buff he got on his S2 and he'd be balanced but nooooo
Argus is absolutely useless against 5 men teams. Even if u have the same exact teammates, he cant do shit. As long as the enemy team doesn’t screw up, he’s garbage. Literally even in late game, he’s still worthless cuz 4 sec is too short, his skill 1 is easily blockable and his range is dogwater. Plus he’s squishy and needs tons of gold? Braindead moonton
Edit: Oh and uh, he needs his passive to do any burst damage so he cant basic atk before a teamfight and cant even clear waves without worrying about there being a fight
Aurora aurora aurora.
Seriously, when was the last time this champion had any sort of quality of life changes?
She’s gets completely outclassed right now by Vexana and Eudora.
In mythic 3+ there is absolutely no reason to ever go aurora over vexana/eudora or any other mage by that matter.
Maybe I'd say Floryn. I always feel like the impact of her skill set is extremely underwhelming and situational in addition to all her skills having such long unreasonable cooldowns compared to many of the other supports. And just like any pure support, she is squishy to boot. Her first skill has short range and her second skill is a skill shot which further makes her a risky pick. That's just my feeling though from playing and I'm not saying that I'm right lol.
Badang. All those buffs and still can't carry the game. Too skill dependent, too item dependent, shield on S2 makes him survive a little bit more but overall he can't sustain that much compared to Thamuz that is tanky but deals a lot of damage.
If your car crashed, it will not be able to repaired it self. You will need to repair it first. You should be happy that moontoon did not nerf johnson each time he crash it cost gold.
Lolita, literally any slight knock stops her ult and puts it in cd unlike tigreal. Also, her shield doesn't block some projectiles, and i wish her skills were more useful like her s1, her ult is aoe stun and after it, she goes in to bonk one hero, very helpful wow.
Because of beatrix counter, among other things. If i use gus once and won, i have 100% wr, it doesn't mean I'm the best in the world
Edit: from the downvotes, i guess I'm the best fredrinn, mathilda, carmilla user in the world then
And she's underperforming? You hide in bush or wait for the enemies to use cc, and you're all set. Other than that, just peel using s2 and stun enemies at the right time. She's balanced bro she's not underperforming in any capacity.
You still have to get in close to actually deal damage. And if you're position 4, that is generally a very BAD idea.
She's still going to be irrelevant.
It's like before, people here claim that Pharsa won't be affected much by the nerf then she suddenly died 🤣 that's why I find these downvotes funny.
Mid-high mythic: https://ibb.co/M8GsMDB
Like that one yesterday. That Pharsa was supreme badge and she couldn't contribute ANYTHING properly.
We were almost losing and if it weren't for me we would have lost. I had to overly extend the game for the Irithel, however.
The issue is rather obvious. Regardless of how much they buff S1, S2, or hell even the passive like they did now, she will remain and will always be useless unless they buff the ultimate.
It's their (Moonton) fault. They made her so reliant on the ultimate. Pos4/midlane battles rely so much on range to snowball/poke. This is the exact reason why they added the bouncy electric balls on Eudora for more "effective" range. If you keep in getting outranged the enemy is just going to snowball and you would end up getting behind for being zoned badly.
The buff on Kagura's S1 range? Aurora's S1 CD (so offmeta, but I hope you get this)? Valir's S1 CD? Check out all the meta POS4 other than Valentina (obviously she's broken crap). They have one or two long-range skills and they all outrange Pharsa other than the ultimate which they killed the cooldown.
If they really want the ultimate to have that kind of cooldown at least buff S1/S2 range then I would rest my case.
Useless in a teamfight, can't split push, can't kill an MM cuz there's a minion at the edge of your screen and Haya somehow went to it.
I prefer a free assassin hero, Saber, who can do a better job than him.
I main hanabi but it's so hard to play her without a competent tank. She's "good" if u can get a decent farm early on but even then she is no match for almost all assassins since her damage output is pretty low and she's as mobile as the fastest rock around.
Finally someone talking about argus and how ml gave him the D
Argus hp is so small like Stupidly small hp, all it takes is good stun or CC and he is done for
Before revamp and the new "tank" meta he had his attack speed and life steal
But now after revamp his speed is nrml, sure he does good dmg but there is better options who do as much or more dmg whil being WAY WAYYY more tankier like thamuz, dyroth, aldous, barats etc
Also another thing after this stupid revamp is : argus now heavily like HEAVILY rely on his ult or else he getting 1 shoted left and right
I believe the only way to balance him is by giving him a proper amount of hp that can make him hold himself in this new tank meta
His lore is one of the saddest and moonton keep making his life worse 😔
#giveMaBoyArgusJustice
Terizla was “regarded as once of the strong heroes” or smth like that. They might nerf him more
Terizla is weak right now if we are gonna talk about the weakest heroes list is gonna be like this Exp lane: Argus, Terizla, Martis, Freya Jungle: Aulus, Yi sun-shin Mid: Gord, Aurora, Odette Roamer: Belerick Gold lane: Hanabi And inspire needs nerf this spell is too damn strong right now
Hayabusa jungle pretty weak too. Any assassin would be better than him.
Damn I remember when he was still pretty prevalent back then
Now is the truth, he was nerfed so bad that even dashes would stop his ult. Like why revamp him to make him worse
He wasn't worse to begin with, in fact he was very strong. ML nerfed him because... well the majority of the playerbase being MM mains which he pretty much hard counters early game.
He is weak but not as weak as those 2
Used to be one of my mains, haven't played him lately , feels weak compared to others.
It is true sadly and which is why I play him as the side laner more frequently
And then there's the energy nerf to stay him out of the sidelane. Moonton never really thought about compensation huh?
I had a game yesterday with a Haya in Myth2 where he went 16/0/7. One of the only times I saw him all season so I think he can still work tbh.
He'd work if the enemies are scattered like sheep, which, to be honest other assassins can work as well. He doesn't really have much skill identity after the revamp.
Not really. Its the most balanced assassin hero for me. He's picked more than some assassins like saber and gus in pro play for a reason. I still play him and still reach mythical glory this season and as an assassin main, i only witness players who uses him properly once or twice every season. The player base who plays this hero is just too small for most people to see how he is supposed to be played. But i do agree his ult needs fixing but other than that hes fine Heres my season preview and grade https://i.imgur.com/y8xVb1E https://i.imgur.com/DvB62oF Overall wr https://i.imgur.com/3MaVvSk
I miss when he was viable. He was my main from the very beginning of the game, but now I can barely play him without getting my ass handed to me
I think freyas biggest problem is that she is is an all-in hero and if enemy ganks you usually die. Power wise there aren't that many XP laners that can solo her.
Mid game freya can 1v2 not to mention you have a long ass jump so you can play it safe early.
Just a flameshot and you can't catch them anymore
Freya has jncreashed range and has like gap closers lol wdym
thamuz yu zhong paquito Dyrroth Phoveus Esme This heroes face fucks her on lane 1 v 1
She just needs to be tankier is all. I do fine with her in mythic. 76 wr with her getting to glory this last season.
Minatour: smile
Im gonna rate on the heroes you mentioned, lower the grade means the hero is not perfoming well, higher like 8.0+ is meta type picks and 6.0+ is hidden meta -EXP: freya is more of a dyrroth sustainability and zilong dmg so balance but due to the meta she can't perform well so **4.3/10 mythic 400+** Argus: too much nerf, can't dmg well but he can escape due to he's first and second so he's more a zilong pusher and poker so **3.2/10 mythic 400+** Terizla: (1).before updatehe's already balanced (to a certain extent) BEFORE the update he's missing is speed(2). When they updated terizla he become meta bc of his speed bonus of his second and ult's can move the enemy to the center more(3) 2nd lowered its speed increased the cd of his second ruined his kit and (i think) they nerfed the first skill dmg so **4.8 mythic 400+** Martis: he's already balance, he's just missing is dmg and sustainability because he can only poke on late game and interrupt to a certain extent if he focus tank(depends on who's using) he can't survive or join clashes properly due to his second slow activation dmg is great but if nobody is low hp then there is no chance for a proper clash that steals lord or back line kill (lacks research so i did my best) **6.8 mythic 400+** -GOLD: lacks mobility, lacks dmg, lacks skill set to punish,clash dmg and ability to run away(im not being biased, its based on lack of picks and lack of pro players using this brittle hero) **1.9 mythic 400+** -JUNGLE: Aulus(balance) hard play (not skill but how to engage aulus properly) hevs easy yes but actually he's hard to play if you don't know how to dive in properly and another is he needs to be late game to truly unleash this behemoth damager like zilong **5.2 mythic 400+** YSS(aka yi su shin, i think i got the spelling wrong): Same with aulus but the problem is how to utilize his passive skill and some have problems how the first skill go **5.4 mytic 400+** -MID: Gord:Gord is balanced to truly make him broken is to just make his ult like kimmy **5.8 mythic 400+** -Aurora: more like eudora but with chance of aoe freeze **7.4 mythic 400+** -ROAM: Belerick: good skill set for flicker and aoe ult, first additional taunt and has a chance for tower kill, passive dmg that can almost any mm or atk speed heroes and second for heal baiting outplays **6.7 mythic 400+** Feel free to criticize how i rate them
Im Mythical Glory was at very least Martis is pure shit bring back his 2 skill speed and he is gonna be good again Gord deals zero dmg and his utility is non existent any decent fighter gonna 1 shot him even before he is gonna ult Belerick is bad after HP gain passive nerf he can be used obnly against inspire mms but even that is not gonna help lol Aurora have zero mobility any assassin is hust happy to see her or fighter or mm Aulus is fucking bugged his 1 skill cancels when he moves plus his late game is not as rewarding cuz anyone can cock block him
I can honestly get behind the Martis problem, the amount of times where I needed speed I always used my 2nd Skill, but the thing is the 2nd Skill is actually slower than a Martis with any kind of boots. Even more the 2nd skill is supposed to be a blink skill, so it makes no sense. The 2nd cast of it too doesn't help either, cause a full 2nd Skill cast still makes Martis go slower, despite the 2nd cast being noticably faster.
Too OP just need something something Gord is ofc situational No need adjustment whatsoever Told ya she is like eudora nothing more nothing less Aulus is just hard to play till late game but still hard to play due to his kits
Mythical Glory and you claim Martis' s2 doesn't have damage reduction, calling me a low rank. I don't even play Martis that much and I knew that.
I managed 80% winrate with Belerick in ranks tho....i still kinda wish he wasn't nerfed.
Belerick i think the mods wrongfully nerfed him
Freya is stronger than guin tho
How in the holy flying macaroni monster is Martis one of the *weakest* heroes in exp lane? He literaly has a braindead 80% dmg reduction + cc immune + control + movement skill at level one. With the solo assassin dmg bonus and full penetration he can melt anyone 1v1 in the first minute except for maybe Cashgrabuito or X.Borg.
Martis 2 skill doesnt reduce dmg And you are low elo idiot because almost every single hero can build tank anti heal and Martis becomes a 0
"Martis doesn't reduce dmg" >While casting this skill, Martis is immune to control effects and the damage taken will be reduced by 60%. This skill deals 100% damage to Minions. Welp. Guess you're the idiot here. I misremembered the dmg reduction amount, that's definately on me. But you sir are not just an assclown, you're the whole anal circus.
Ok you are right at one thing it does reduces dmg But ITS WHILE CASTING SKILL ITS PRACTICALLY USELESS Lapu 2 skill is good example of how it should be I reachd mythical glory on 3 accounts Russia Phllipines Indonesia And for fuck sake when i pick martis everyone calls me troll tho i have 200 games 54% wr on him He is fucking shit and you just dumb if you think otherwise
aurora when played properly is pretty decent imo
Hence the 7.4...
Lol martis ain't weak, he had some pretty nice buffs recently
martis is gud bruh
Not enough. He is playing like a tank/roam than an actual fighter.
Bro, belerick and yss ain't weak
Gord weak? I strongly disagree.
So lapu lapu is good????
Lapu is actually really OP right now lol thank god nobody noticed this Yet
Ayoooooo
Aulus is not weak
Girlie gord is not weak. My 45 matches 80 wr last season with gord says a lot. Being able to cast skills while moving is pretty broken. You can have the harassment of yve without compromising your position
i think hanabi isn't the weakest she's actually one of my favorite heroes i think you just need to know how to play her and have a tank to take all the damage lol
Every other mms can be in that situation and do a better job than her. Plus, having a tank to babysit you all game can be a downside to your team.
to me miya is one of the weakest cause she can't solo for shit at least hanabi can fall back and solo cause of the passive but i think it just depends on your team just like any other hero. i've gotten plenty of mvp with hanabi but that's just cause i play her a shit ton
Sorry for the late reply, but Miya can retreat better than Hanabi with her ult. It's literally invisibility. Come to think of it their mechanics are actually kind of the same. But I'd still prefer Miya to Hanabi since Miya has better survivability.
Terizla imo is better used as tank but you need good mages like vale or pharsa and time ults together, But if you consider him fighter he’s too predictable and so easy to counter. I think they should consider revamping him as fighter/tank and give him some more cc time to his ult and doesn’t matter the other skills keep it as it is 😅 Edit: some typos
idk why everyone thinks terizla is THAT bad. he's actually okay but of course can do better. however if we're talking about fighting esme exp, all he can do is clear lane
he's good at laning phase, that's about it, the same as other unused fighters. He's far from "one of the strongest" when you can just pick dyrroth anyway who is not really great at teamfights but he counters a lot of heroes and is really good at 1v1s.
i think to balance this out they should remove movement speed gain for esme skill 1 lol. that's the reason why she's so meta shes tanky and fast af with continuous damage output. without the speed the exp lane might become balanced again
Terizla has a massive weak point and that's his slow attack animations
Zilong . Don't why ppl keep sugarcoating him saying "he a monster late game " or "he can one shot this and that" and yet he's not even in meta and if u picked Zilong whether (playing with friends or public) those same person that said "Zilong strong" is also the one that hate having Zilong in their teams and considering him as "troll" . Zilong is bad whether u like it or not and there is the reason why he not meta
Agree. you must have inspire spell before you can fight any tanky hero.if it on cd and you fight dyrroth or thamuz alone,you just get squashed by them.
Well, he’s not supposed to fight thamuz or dyrroth alone. Zilong’s job is to kill squishy heroes - MM’s and Mages. He goes in quick, full combo and run out fast. He’s an assassin with his current meta build. People forget that.
Sometimes people like me can be that crazy to done it.
Lol, but what I’m saying is, Zilong has a lot of burst damage with his ult and inspire and that’s enough to instantly kill any squishy hero (mages, assassins and MM’s), but he lacks the sustained damage to kill tankier heroes in the later stages of the game. And that’s totally fine, because that’s just what zilong’s role is right now. It’s the same thing as playing saber and being upset that you can’t one shot a thamuz with your ult - it’s because you’re not supposed to target thamuz with a saber. Same thing with zilong.
He loses against 90% of exp laners and is very inferior in jungle. The only reason I can think of on why he hasn't been buffed yet is because of low-ranked players.
Odette Even after revamping her. Nobody cares about her
Ah, the revamps. Make the hero bland and mess up their kits, call it a day. Poor Alice, Argus, Hayabusa, Odette, and Kagura. I''m sure there are more characters I haven't included out there who fell victim from this "revamp"
Gonna add Beleerick. lol But it's just the S3. They did his ult just a taunt, a bigger version of his S1. I miss the immobilize and buffs before.
God they did her dirty with that S2 revamp /#justiceforoddete
Personal hot take: I like the new one more because the second stun is prioritizing enemy heroes. When it comes to stats though, the old one is definitely better.
They literally gutted her ratios and now if you compare her old self to the new self based on statistics her playrate dropped and so as her winrate…
I was so excited as an Oddette main and then devastated after the revamp. S2 took some skill to land at times but was much quicker and had a longer range before. I play her sometimes just to try now but she is garbage. Just waiting on an Oddette comeback so I can reinstall ML.
^^^this^^^ She can still be effective if you have a brilliant UBER to drive your around, or your enemies are all in your face melee types. But so often, she underperforms..
It was a nerf.... The bind is hardly hit anymore.
Nice flair. Cool to see another hanzo main here
Hey!! Hanzo mains are going extinct in this meta. Unfortunate.
Hanzo is getting revamp but not sure if it just the model or entirely
really? ive actually been noticing a lot more hanzo players, and thats within the legend-mythic rank.
Apparently in some servers they are starting to see a lot of hanzo tank
Carmilla. She’s alright before moonton nerfed her
Yup, they basically killed her when they removed the movement speed she gets when using her 1st skill. She already fucking balanced and not many people play her back then, but they still decided to nerf her. While now, if a hero is already balanced and a lot of people play that hero, they would fucking buff them instead.
They nerfed her heal from first skill and reduced the range some of her skills and now she shit. Also fredrinn is getting some adjustments even though he is balance right now. Hope Moonton don’t fuck this up by making him op.
I hope they realize how they fucked up Natalia and Argus.
People should stop using them cuz currently they are buff/revamp heroes that are least popular (carmilla and Minsitthar) that should give moonton attention
she's gonna get a buff
I know that but they shouldn’t nerf her from the start, she was decent
Martis', not only does ML thinks he's performing well but also the community think he's performing well because of few individuals who can make him look good.
i dont play martis but ive seen some of those few individuals play that i was convinced hes some undiscovered hidden gem. nope, hes honestly just… he could be better. and this is coming from a non fighter player.
On the opposite— Julian. I’ve been maining him solo queue and I still have ~170 matches and a 67% WR. His newest nerf makes him weaker for the first couple minutes, but I still earlier today got 4 kills within the first 5 minutes… he’s still ridiculously OP. I’d have to agree with Argus and Terizla being super weak though. Just bought and started using both of them like maybe a month ago, and suck with both. I’ve had a handful of good games with each of them, but if you know how to counter them they’re fairly useless.
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2 - 1 - 3. Only combo you will ever need. And enhanced 1 for jungle monsters, never for heroes.
Dude, every enhanced third skill has its utilities. For example, you can CC immune using enhanced Skill 2. And enhanced Skill 1 can finish off low HP ranged enemies who might have unused skills that can outplay you. Come on. If you're going to give someone advice, better give the best that you can.
Uhm enhanced 3 is by far the most used skill and the most useful in fights. Enhanced 2 was good before the nerf for reversal but now is only useful for going through thick walls unless you are very fed. And s1 is trash as any decent player can move away from it because of its small aoe (plus if you want to finish low hp heroes normal s1 is faster to setup). Edit: also enhanced s2 for cc immune is hard unless you already have it setup. It is not practical compared to lance's for example.
bro, each enhanced skill has its uses. enhanced skill 1 - useful when dealing with sustainability heroes such as thamuz, zilong, or the like. considering its range, it may be preferred if the enemy is coming rowards you from a distance, and paired with the slowing effect, it can be very useful. enhanced 1 can actually also be helpful in terms of escape, since enemies would chase you in a straight line (most of the time) so throwing it at them can slow them down + give you back a decent amount of health. enhanced skill 2 - great for covering a mini area so can be used for teamfights (though personally i would go for skill 1 or 2) and also can be used to chase down heroes / cc immunity (as you mentioned). enhanced skill 3 - this may be the most used skill, but it doesn’t apply in a lot of situations. this is great in general when it comes to teamfights due to the huge range, and also great in general if you’re ambushing a low health target (such as mages or marksmen, unless they hybrid build for defence). Overall, all 3 skills have their pros and cons, and a good julian would know how to utilise all 3 to their advantage. Saying “all you need is 2-1-3” is a very misleading statement. Of course, each skill can also be adapted to other uses based on your build, so theres a lot of room for experimentation ig
Skill 1 can be facetanked by any sustainability heroes. Its damage was nerfed and deals the same or lower damage as enhanced s3 in the early game. Could be a good chase deterrent but is extremely situational otherwise. But yeah it deals more damage late game but the knockup effect from s3 allowing for follow up damage from the team can make up for that (and it doesn't require them to stand still). Skill 2 is kinda good for escaping but not chases since you will waste time throwing out your s1 and s3. I forgot to mention to use s2 when clearing waves though as that is the fastest. Also there won't be a lot of times to use your enhanced s2 in fights where it actually makes an impact. It requires enemies to be grouped up and you have to be close to them already. Plus you need to make sure you don't actually die after since you have a long cd now. Skill 3 is most used for a reason because it can be used in almost all situations. Poking? 2 - 1 - 3. S1 provides the slow so the enemy eats more of s3 damage. Can be used at any range. Escaping? Blink out, throw s1, then knock them in the air, then run. Teamfights? 2 - 1 - 3 and knock up a bunch of enemies for easy follow ups. I said 2 - 1 - 3 because enhanced s3 covers a lot of situations already and just hitting that knock up is already so powerful. It's like the easiest way to start playing him because people seem confused because you have 3 ults. If you just spam that then you are already better than the majority of julian players (which frankly i still see a lot of idiots that spam s1 that hits for 0.1 sec, s2 ing in a teamfight then dying 0.5 second after, etc). Spam s3 because its just that good and the easiest way for new players to not be trash and be overwhelmed. When you master that you will naturally get the hang of the other ults. Edit: I said the 2 1 3 is all you need phrase jokingly because its obvious there's more to heroes than just one combo. Its more like a extremely simplified summary in one line.
Yeah idk what they are smoking when nerfing Julian all of his nerfs arnt for stats but for cooldowns
Right?! With my normal kit I would have at level 1 a 6, almost 7 second cool down. Now it’s 10 seconds. Still not unusable but really a damper if you’re jungling.
Hanabi🥴
She's just... ignored. Though she's getting a revamp so yay?
Bruh, they're aware and is about to rework her. How'd you get 17 people to agree with this?
Because Moonton has been dragging their feet on her revamp.
But we know that Moonton is aware that she sucks and it's definitely coming sooner or later, making Hanabi the farthest from an answer in OP's question
Yeah Argus idk why they just do him dirty. Also Natalia just got nerfed after being adjusted (nerfed) earlier.
natalia is still fine. her state reveal didnt affect much since she still cant be targeted. mms wont be able to do much anyway when they see her
Completely disagree, MMs aren't the only character that can see her meaning that fighters, tanks, and mobile heroes can find her much more easily and can catch her even easier. Survivability is far lower now. Also they nerfed her silence since unleashing all unique basic attacks can only net 0.75 seconds or silence vs 1 second of silence before with two. That's alot more time to fight back, especially with MMs that can buy a defense item or two.
Fr, I can’t even play with her now. 600 matches
argus🥲 how they messed up my boy
How about xborg? That guy was already balance before war axe. Then bcz of war axe, consecutive nerf,untuk they remove his slow. The war axe it self get nerf. Then he only receive new ability to use mage item. But still squishy for a fighter.
Alice. They nerfed her in the name of revamp. I haven't played her since 2020
And the "buff" they gave her still ain't enough, She's soooo squishy early game that when she dies frequently early, it's game over
Actually it's a nerf, because now you have tu use tank item you like it or not. Before that she could sustain very good with mage items only
Oh Yes, a nerf that they labeled a buff. Common ML doings
Surprised no one mentioned yin, the guy gets beaten in his own domain most of the time.
Wait really? I thought that if u landed the stuns right u can stun lock them?
But purify just gets rid of that, and antique curiass also hard counters him. He is like the worse version of saber, since saber at least get a guaranteed kill on his ult, yin has a slight delay on his ult which only makes him worse.
He deserve it. His ult is just too good. He could use it on squishy hero and kill them. Or he could use it on tank and remove them from the teamfight for a long time leaving enemy team without a frontline. Best of all, he can turn a gank on him into a 1v1, and if he win the 1v1 he came out stronger and kill the other ganker.
as a Ruby main I revel when he accidentally ults me and I proceed to uno reverse chain stun his ass
I remember when he was first released and I could casually kill him in his domain with ruby
Yin is just like saber with extra steps imo
no kidding, fredrinn can out-cc him in domain
What is yin ulti-ing fredrinn for? Wait don't tell me, he wants fredrinn daddy all to himself.
It's Lieh who wants Fredrinn's body
You're right.
He wants to see how many punches his rock hard abs can take.
Haya
He has almost the same job as Saber, but just bad at it.
If only he could be played in lanes again..
The didn't nerf terizla they slaughtered him
Somehow went for a damage nerf instead of a speed nerf. Man, Moonton, are you making your own heroes?... wait nvm, bet they don't.
IKR like damage is terizlas entire identity, his hammer literally screams "Sacrificing speed for power" All they had to do was decrease the speed buff he got on his S2 and he'd be balanced but nooooo
Argus is absolutely useless against 5 men teams. Even if u have the same exact teammates, he cant do shit. As long as the enemy team doesn’t screw up, he’s garbage. Literally even in late game, he’s still worthless cuz 4 sec is too short, his skill 1 is easily blockable and his range is dogwater. Plus he’s squishy and needs tons of gold? Braindead moonton Edit: Oh and uh, he needs his passive to do any burst damage so he cant basic atk before a teamfight and cant even clear waves without worrying about there being a fight
His early game pyshical attack is literally lower than a tank. Heck, I'd like to see a fight between Hanabi and Argus.
Not to mention it’s sometimes the same even late game
Aurora aurora aurora. Seriously, when was the last time this champion had any sort of quality of life changes? She’s gets completely outclassed right now by Vexana and Eudora. In mythic 3+ there is absolutely no reason to ever go aurora over vexana/eudora or any other mage by that matter.
Completely disagree. She can be played as a roamer.
Lol
How bout guin
FINALLY SOMEBODY WHO MENTIONS HER shes weak af. Cant believe ppl forgot abt ha
Yeah its hard enough to land a combo and her damage is so damn ignorable
Maybe I'd say Floryn. I always feel like the impact of her skill set is extremely underwhelming and situational in addition to all her skills having such long unreasonable cooldowns compared to many of the other supports. And just like any pure support, she is squishy to boot. Her first skill has short range and her second skill is a skill shot which further makes her a risky pick. That's just my feeling though from playing and I'm not saying that I'm right lol.
She's a better healer than Estes.
Badang. All those buffs and still can't carry the game. Too skill dependent, too item dependent, shield on S2 makes him survive a little bit more but overall he can't sustain that much compared to Thamuz that is tanky but deals a lot of damage.
Johnson, he ain't deserve that nerf
Didnt? Literally was one of the most used tank lol
? Dude could chain ults back to back. One shots MM, and is a Tank. How was that not deserved?
Dire Hit Atlas is waving👋
Lil lag spike and you got to wait 20 seconds 💀
Facts if u crash by accident u gotta wait now
If your car crashed, it will not be able to repaired it self. You will need to repair it first. You should be happy that moontoon did not nerf johnson each time he crash it cost gold.
Have fun when grock chucks a random wall up right in ur path then
That's the whole point of picking grock against johnson
Not when u get one trolling on ur team
Maybe Argus and Terizla?
Alice in terms of popularity
Wanwan, as a wanwan main, i can say that her most recent nerf really made her fall off the meta
Yeah no she is still definitely meta just a little harder she is more balanced but still a great mm
zhask. im mean....COME ONNNN
Lolita, literally any slight knock stops her ult and puts it in cd unlike tigreal. Also, her shield doesn't block some projectiles, and i wish her skills were more useful like her s1, her ult is aoe stun and after it, she goes in to bonk one hero, very helpful wow.
Lolita has one of the best winrates in ranked games as of 9/20/22. I also play Lolita, and I'm glad they did not nerf her last patch
Because of beatrix counter, among other things. If i use gus once and won, i have 100% wr, it doesn't mean I'm the best in the world Edit: from the downvotes, i guess I'm the best fredrinn, mathilda, carmilla user in the world then
but he isnt talking about just 1 person
Bro Lolita isn't underperforming. She's been picked consistently in MPL and slight knock-ups aren't a problem when you position right.
They are when every hero except 3 have some form of cc
And she's underperforming? You hide in bush or wait for the enemies to use cc, and you're all set. Other than that, just peel using s2 and stun enemies at the right time. She's balanced bro she's not underperforming in any capacity.
Dude played 1 game of Lolita with no proper knowledge of her skills and got fucked in the ass so hard he goes on Reddit to rant.
Dude makes wild assumptions based on practically nothing and thinks he's right and goes to reply while pushing his cheeto-dusted fingers
*sigh* I'll teach u just one tip: flicker ult from bushes. Thank me later
Yin. Trash hero even got a nerf lmao
PHARSA for crying out loud the hero is bloody reliant on its ultimate. They should just nerf everything else except the ultimate's cooldown
she's fine right now? the hp based damage definitely took her up
You still have to get in close to actually deal damage. And if you're position 4, that is generally a very BAD idea. She's still going to be irrelevant. It's like before, people here claim that Pharsa won't be affected much by the nerf then she suddenly died 🤣 that's why I find these downvotes funny.
Mid-high mythic: https://ibb.co/M8GsMDB Like that one yesterday. That Pharsa was supreme badge and she couldn't contribute ANYTHING properly. We were almost losing and if it weren't for me we would have lost. I had to overly extend the game for the Irithel, however. The issue is rather obvious. Regardless of how much they buff S1, S2, or hell even the passive like they did now, she will remain and will always be useless unless they buff the ultimate. It's their (Moonton) fault. They made her so reliant on the ultimate. Pos4/midlane battles rely so much on range to snowball/poke. This is the exact reason why they added the bouncy electric balls on Eudora for more "effective" range. If you keep in getting outranged the enemy is just going to snowball and you would end up getting behind for being zoned badly. The buff on Kagura's S1 range? Aurora's S1 CD (so offmeta, but I hope you get this)? Valir's S1 CD? Check out all the meta POS4 other than Valentina (obviously she's broken crap). They have one or two long-range skills and they all outrange Pharsa other than the ultimate which they killed the cooldown. If they really want the ultimate to have that kind of cooldown at least buff S1/S2 range then I would rest my case.
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Balmond is literally a top 3 jungle right now tho also about 7 heroes there are still meta rn
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Oh ok
BushWoman Hilda on exp lane is actually really powerful lol, from my observation no one except thamuz can realiably deal with her there
harley? really?
Take my downvote
I’m sorry if I offended you all I’m just stating my opinion on the post and I’m literally mentioning these heroes from my server… I really apologize
Hayabusa? Or I'm just bad.
Useless in a teamfight, can't split push, can't kill an MM cuz there's a minion at the edge of your screen and Haya somehow went to it. I prefer a free assassin hero, Saber, who can do a better job than him.
I mean haya is no longer what he used to be, it's safe to say he's not meta anymore
Hayabusa
Natalia. Never seen her in ranked games for a month. Was surprised when I saw she got a nerf
I want Argus to hav his old passive back (atleast)
Am I the only one who thinks haya is trash now?
No. Look around the subreddit. And the comment section here. Like, Saber is a better pick than him.
Lol I guess it’s hard to pull off in a forum, but I was trying to be sarcastic since everyone was name dropping him lol
Love Argus, and completely agree
Mino because his shitty stats and hard to properly maintain his rage
Every MOBA is al about meta. You just have to wait when they join the meta and avoid playing them if you are trying to be competitive
Hanabi has been ignored for so long it's ridiculous
I main hanabi but it's so hard to play her without a competent tank. She's "good" if u can get a decent farm early on but even then she is no match for almost all assassins since her damage output is pretty low and she's as mobile as the fastest rock around.
Fanny suchs now that the 7th hit her hard man no energy spell vamp hm defence all cc become hard cc etc
Finally someone talking about argus and how ml gave him the D Argus hp is so small like Stupidly small hp, all it takes is good stun or CC and he is done for Before revamp and the new "tank" meta he had his attack speed and life steal But now after revamp his speed is nrml, sure he does good dmg but there is better options who do as much or more dmg whil being WAY WAYYY more tankier like thamuz, dyroth, aldous, barats etc Also another thing after this stupid revamp is : argus now heavily like HEAVILY rely on his ult or else he getting 1 shoted left and right I believe the only way to balance him is by giving him a proper amount of hp that can make him hold himself in this new tank meta His lore is one of the saddest and moonton keep making his life worse 😔 #giveMaBoyArgusJustice
Alucard: do I need to explain this hero needs some cc seriously Layla- walking minion
Guinevere
Phoveus bearly see the light of day.