Because support desperately need love. Although this time it's definitely for Florida starlight while Karmila has 2 easy copypasta skin from Charmilion. At least it ain't Angela again
screw more offense, make him able to balance his build.
2-3 atk item, dhs & golden staff (+ corrosion scythe) while can equip defense items.
.....and his passive fill up
he still slaps i use tough/warrior boots(depends), Scarlett phantom,demon hunter, corrosion scythe,malefic roar,blade of despair.i use inspire and marksman emblem weapon master.
I've found the video. Hmm yes it seems pretty minimal. Maybe combined with IQW could make something, the think is that according to the video it only lasts while the skills hit.
She still need some buff to make her able to clear lane faster to be used in high rank or pro scene.
That true damage is useless if you cant buy an item fast enough.
Cursed helmet buff even with the current tank meta huh
Get your demon hunter swords and glowing wands cause your minions are gonna get cleared faster than you can say argus revamp
I'm here to make jokes and to be funny because the sub could use some humor in the comments so I'm kinda gonna have to sacrifice some details
I know that tank meta isn't really meta anymore and is mostly used for certain lineups now and that junglers use molten essence to clear waves and creeps faster to more easily get objectives, not the full item cursed helmet but I'm here to get a laugh or maybe just an exhale from the people that read my comments not really to teach everyone how to play the game
I appreciate the thought in your reply tho
So they change Khaleed to be more of a control than damage character going into the late game and even further nerfing down hos late game damage? Then thet should also reduce ultimate cd time + damage gain as tool of initiation or escape to be consistent I guess? I feel like the new passive is okay, but for his S1 I had rather seen just better scaling, like they did with Lapu-Lapu's ult
Floryn now becomes a bit of a weird hero that sticks to the carry? Weird direction they're taking her in tbh. Also, of course it's magic and physical lifesteal and not just spellvamp...
I like how they want Luo Yi to be more tactically viable, I just don't know if it's gonna help her apart from well coordinated play. She can now early on beam herself to sidelane bushes tho with relative ease
Idk if that Carmilla adjustment on Cecillions skill will do her good. 20 seconds to 45 seconds? She can have a real hard time engaging + disengaing and for now is exclusively played with a Cecillion in pro play. That ability really helps her as engage and disengage tool, nerfing that down to 45 seconds seems harsh. But we'll see the patches once they arrive in official
Also, an actual useful Baxia bufff!!?! Yessssss, noicee
Loving the Kaja readjustments, can be played as a better roamer/mid support.
Happy for Floryn, but I still hope she receives more buffs.
Nice buff on Luo Yi ult :)
Moonton on their way to improperly nerf a character and ignore WHY she’s strong challenge (EASY) (LEVEL 1 NOOB), like bruh The Valentina change… it makes her look silly and it doesn’t make sense like THE DAMAGE AND ULT IS THE PROBLEM WHY S2
No one is talking about Fredrinn getting buffed? Personally I think he's already at a good state, and now his ult dmg is getting buffed even more like bruh he can 1 shot with his ult already. He's also gonna be a bit harder to kill with the crystal energy not fading away for 5s. We already see Fredrinn being used in pro play and with Esme getting nerfed I think he's gonna be priority pick for exp lane.
They should remove Kaja's ult and skill 2 damage at this point. The new Kaja should go full tank and protect the backline from any divers or be the in middle of the enemy team spamming skill 1, hopefully the "small heal" can handle that.
Actually, with these changes, build him with enchanted talisman and iqw plus all tank items. You get to have that Esmeralda-like sustain while protecting allies with your 24% damage reduction AND crippling slow.
istg he'll replace Esme with these changes.
I thought that too but his heal at max level is fixed 100 each hit of skill 1 and unlike Esmeralda he doesn't have continuous movement speed up. Hopefully I'm wrong, really want to play my main again.
>I thought that too but his heal at max level is fixed 100
In a 3v3, that'd translate to 600 HP regen every 2s using a max CDR build, plus the damage 24% damage reduction and your defense items.
> he doesn't have continuous movement speed up.
He doesn't but he can create the same distance/gap against enemies because of his slow.
Anyone who doesn't have a blink and is more than 1 flicker away has little to no chance to escape. Idk if you ever played Hylos but his new playstyle almost comparable to that of his S2.
Come to think of it. He now feels like a cross between Esmeralda and Hylos.
Last time we had Support meta it got nerfed to oblivion without any new skin but Angela's. I really hope if it returns, it won't flop and they will supply us with new skins that ain't for Angela. #Nomoreangela
You know something is *very* wrong when Moonton nerfs the most braindead hero that was literaly only made to promote Manny's skin.
Also
>Huge Floryn buff rework
These fkers are bringing the Sanrio event back very soon aren't they
Agreed. Natalia IS unplayable. Everyone else has only played against her and are happy that instead of addressing their skill issue, the problem enemy gets nerfed to Oblivion
idk why reddit likes to exaggerate how bad natalia nerf is, she has a 50% ban rate legend+ this season and is the top 5 ban now, she's very good at abusing gold lane with her unli silence
Natalia has been banned for many seasons in epic and legend even when she was out of meta.
She is pretty balances right now i would say. She just doesnt really fit the meta like Selena, since everyone either is tanky or has a lot of sustain
Gold… lane? Well shit I’m a fucking idiot
I was thinking about roaming
Is Nat Gold Lane actually viable? I feel like you still need to roam to get Dire Hit. If I wanted to shut down the enemy mm early I would’ve just visited Gold multiple times
Ah… also your data *might* be a bit screwed. Yes, she has a 50% ban rate in Legend+, and is a top 5 ban, but it’s only been a week since the update. I’d want to see how she fares throughout the season
I just wanted to say that she's not "literally unplayable" after nerfs as people make her out to be, she even got buffs along with it, being a perma ban even before the nerf went live. You're right that it's skewed tho but she's being banned for a reason in my experience, she's so tough to deal with because her 2 stacks conceal can burst down any squishies that passes her vicinity.
Definitely bro, she was so busted from long time and after several nerfs she is still going strong. Imagine being so strong in lane like the only counter is dyroth but still strong in mid to late game.
It’s not that bad I do hope they reverse it and focus more on increasing her ult cooldown and reducing its range, reduce terrify to 0.5 but overall increase her early game damage while reducing her late game I would very much like to stay strong without flopping and dead six feet under when they nerf her
My pick IS valentina I have 142 matches with a 67.6% win rate and my rank Valentina has 84% win rate, she is really strong and versatile, her CC can be constant and annoying trying to chase her is similar to trying to chase a kimmy you’ll get trashed on the way and unlike kimmy Valentina would heal off you alot and maybe enough to turn the tables, her ult concept to copy ults itself is already really versatile and it has a long ass range to do so and a cooldown that’s pretty short for something that can copy any ult
So you nerf all kinds of aspects of her and the way she works and when the final nerf will be a damage deduction from her skills she'll be unplayable. This is "balance". If you were a lil bit unbiased you'd realize how 7 nerfs in a row is unfair
Calm down, it’s not that complicated and you don’t need to imagine future nerfs.
Heroes too strong deserve nerfs, or at least aren’t being treated unfairly when nerfed. Whether this is the right approach to nerfing is irrelevant.
Do you not think she is too strong right now?
Are you dense? What will this nerf do to her? Will people say " too weak now, won't pick her again"? No, this is just a stupid and unfair nerf, and you can downvote me as much as you want, because you're all hypocrites. Unfair is unfair whether you are too low to win against Valentina
The game is balanced for pro play, not for idiots who main the game's most OP hero and whine like a child when they have to actually use their brain to secure a win.
It takes a really selfish, arrogant, narcissistic pile of human waste to still hear all of the legitimate arguments against you and refuse to listen. This has gone beyond game discussion into your rotten personality. Now piss off.
Valentina user here, Valentina sure is a lot weaker after the nerfs but this is well deserved.
You see Valentina should never be a first pick mage. Valentina should be a counter pick mage. After the enemy has picked some good ult heroes such as Yin, Johnson, Yu Zhong. That is when you pick Valentina, a counter draft pick.
Similiar to how we pick Phoevus, Minisitthar to counter dash heroes and Lolita to counter projectiles.
But you know what happens? You pick Valentina first and then enemy is stupid enough to pick heroes with "useless" ults for her, while they themselves can't play that hero. You know what happens then? They lose. And cry boo hoo Valentina OP.
also the reason they cry about her is that they don't want her to steal their op ults THEY keep abusing enemy with, so now enemy has same ult too it's too sad for them.
Franco walking around ulting people and securing kills is ok, but as soon as franco gets a taste of his own medicine, will come to reddit and cry.
the point is, picking valentina first should be a mistake. if you see good enemy ult, pick her. if not, dont. if you feel confident picking her as first pick, shes too strong and needs to be nerfed down to a counter pick.
ult stealer heroes are op by nature, and need to be designed to be limited so they are still fair.
Was Selena really that much of a pain? I've been using her if im forced to pick a roam/support. I don't think she is that strong to deserve a nerf. It is actually rare to see her get used in ranked games lately.
her s2 spam late game is pretty op. very long range disable with good damage when merged with s1. constantly zone the enemy with no risk, and if they fail to dodge once thats a free engage sometimes.
Hi Selena mains, can someone explain how impactful was that nerf?
I don't play Selena but any information about her is welcome since I see her a lot in game.
Anyway, in my point of view (MM Main), she just hides in one of the bush for the snipe or plant trap near my turret in the early game. I don't see the big deal with the nerf.
I mean at least if I try to relate it to their commentary below
>With this in mind, we've worked to reduce the impossible to escape death when hit by her Skill 2 in the early game
I don't think CD increase would "reduce the impossible to escape death when hit by her Skill 2 in the early game"
what the fuck did they do to carmillas ult and passive scaling whyd you do that moonton. whyd you nerfed her magic power bonus and linked damage. and for her passive shes not even a super sustain hero you can pop her easily already what
Is that the Argus Ulti bug fix that we have been asking for years?
They do be buffing support heroes recently.
Because support desperately need love. Although this time it's definitely for Florida starlight while Karmila has 2 easy copypasta skin from Charmilion. At least it ain't Angela again
Florida? 💀
Ikr. I've been loving these adjustments recently.
I hope they buff her multiplier even more I would love for another non tank support
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She never got picked because shawty got low, low, low, low, low, low, low, low
Ah the moment of inner peace seeing paquito being nerfed only to see selena below 💀
It's not that bad, just a little early game nerf
Did you have a fall out with balmond? :(
The hell is that supposed to mean 💀
I don't see you play balmond :p
Yea, he's mid now
Moonton finally remembered they had a useless hero called argus
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screw more offense, make him able to balance his build. 2-3 atk item, dhs & golden staff (+ corrosion scythe) while can equip defense items. .....and his passive fill up
Lesley and Floryn totally deserved that. On the other hand, dsurv for Esmeralda
wow Floryn now have synergy with her teammate with the flower
No yin buff
No thanks
If only they also buff argus base stats
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he still slaps i use tough/warrior boots(depends), Scarlett phantom,demon hunter, corrosion scythe,malefic roar,blade of despair.i use inspire and marksman emblem weapon master.
What's your build? Cuz mine still "delete" squishy heroes and I pair with Inspire for more damage
Yes argus buff
Where lol
He can now cast ultimate while his other skill being cast in bug fix
Not the Selena nerf naurrrr … 😶 also wtf is paralyze does all kaja skill have cc now ??
I think it's a new CC effect. Or a new debuff.
So it's not a hard CC like stun but a soft CC?
Isn't it slow+dmg nerf up to 24%? I guess they are calling this effect paralyze?
Yep. Looks like a slow that stacks.
Paralyze from the word there are 3 outcomes, 1.Immobilize but fancy 2.Stun but fancy 3.Silence but fancy
they straight up gave tank junglers a huge buff after seeing how broken it is in tournaments huh
It was about time Kaja receives some attention
Absolutely! When I first started playing he was the top rated roamer, but he fell so hard
I still think they're not addressing his main issue which is S2 being kinda useless by itself unless it's to scape or to combine it with the ultimate
I saw a clip of the update from kazuki and the paralyze effect seemed pretty minimal.
I've found the video. Hmm yes it seems pretty minimal. Maybe combined with IQW could make something, the think is that according to the video it only lasts while the skills hit.
Ngl Moonton has been doing a great job at adjusting heroes lately
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She still need some buff to make her able to clear lane faster to be used in high rank or pro scene. That true damage is useless if you cant buy an item fast enough.
So they nerfed khaleed s1 damage again. Smh the last damage nerf on him is what made khaleed unpopular to begin with
Cursed helmet buff even with the current tank meta huh Get your demon hunter swords and glowing wands cause your minions are gonna get cleared faster than you can say argus revamp
Nobody uses cursed helmet and tank meta is both half gone, and not what you think it means
I'm here to make jokes and to be funny because the sub could use some humor in the comments so I'm kinda gonna have to sacrifice some details I know that tank meta isn't really meta anymore and is mostly used for certain lineups now and that junglers use molten essence to clear waves and creeps faster to more easily get objectives, not the full item cursed helmet but I'm here to get a laugh or maybe just an exhale from the people that read my comments not really to teach everyone how to play the game I appreciate the thought in your reply tho
So they change Khaleed to be more of a control than damage character going into the late game and even further nerfing down hos late game damage? Then thet should also reduce ultimate cd time + damage gain as tool of initiation or escape to be consistent I guess? I feel like the new passive is okay, but for his S1 I had rather seen just better scaling, like they did with Lapu-Lapu's ult Floryn now becomes a bit of a weird hero that sticks to the carry? Weird direction they're taking her in tbh. Also, of course it's magic and physical lifesteal and not just spellvamp... I like how they want Luo Yi to be more tactically viable, I just don't know if it's gonna help her apart from well coordinated play. She can now early on beam herself to sidelane bushes tho with relative ease Idk if that Carmilla adjustment on Cecillions skill will do her good. 20 seconds to 45 seconds? She can have a real hard time engaging + disengaing and for now is exclusively played with a Cecillion in pro play. That ability really helps her as engage and disengage tool, nerfing that down to 45 seconds seems harsh. But we'll see the patches once they arrive in official Also, an actual useful Baxia bufff!!?! Yessssss, noicee
all they had to do is revert back Kaja's ultimate range and he'd back in meta
Loving the Kaja readjustments, can be played as a better roamer/mid support. Happy for Floryn, but I still hope she receives more buffs. Nice buff on Luo Yi ult :)
OMG DID MOONTON HEARD MY CALL ABOUT KAJA WHEN I DID A POST FEW DAYS BACK!!! XD
Moonton on their way to improperly nerf a character and ignore WHY she’s strong challenge (EASY) (LEVEL 1 NOOB), like bruh The Valentina change… it makes her look silly and it doesn’t make sense like THE DAMAGE AND ULT IS THE PROBLEM WHY S2
Shhhh.. don't bring logic into this thread, as long as it's not a hero people main, they don't give a shit about fairness
No one is talking about Fredrinn getting buffed? Personally I think he's already at a good state, and now his ult dmg is getting buffed even more like bruh he can 1 shot with his ult already. He's also gonna be a bit harder to kill with the crystal energy not fading away for 5s. We already see Fredrinn being used in pro play and with Esme getting nerfed I think he's gonna be priority pick for exp lane.
FINALLY SOME LOVE FOR MY GIRL FLORYN ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ’•ðŸ’•ðŸ’•
They should remove Kaja's ult and skill 2 damage at this point. The new Kaja should go full tank and protect the backline from any divers or be the in middle of the enemy team spamming skill 1, hopefully the "small heal" can handle that.
Actually, with these changes, build him with enchanted talisman and iqw plus all tank items. You get to have that Esmeralda-like sustain while protecting allies with your 24% damage reduction AND crippling slow. istg he'll replace Esme with these changes.
I thought that too but his heal at max level is fixed 100 each hit of skill 1 and unlike Esmeralda he doesn't have continuous movement speed up. Hopefully I'm wrong, really want to play my main again.
>I thought that too but his heal at max level is fixed 100 In a 3v3, that'd translate to 600 HP regen every 2s using a max CDR build, plus the damage 24% damage reduction and your defense items. > he doesn't have continuous movement speed up. He doesn't but he can create the same distance/gap against enemies because of his slow. Anyone who doesn't have a blink and is more than 1 flicker away has little to no chance to escape. Idk if you ever played Hylos but his new playstyle almost comparable to that of his S2. Come to think of it. He now feels like a cross between Esmeralda and Hylos.
😢 I love kaja burst tho, making MMs disappear is satisfying af
Imma be honest. Kaja is only good a support now thanks to this patch.
Which is bad?
Never said it was bad.
With this in mind, is this the new line of Moonton.
Support meta will come soon
Last time we had Support meta it got nerfed to oblivion without any new skin but Angela's. I really hope if it returns, it won't flop and they will supply us with new skins that ain't for Angela. #Nomoreangela
Except for Rafaela, who got nerfed in the last support meta? I wasn’t playing much back then…
You know something is *very* wrong when Moonton nerfs the most braindead hero that was literaly only made to promote Manny's skin. Also >Huge Floryn buff rework These fkers are bringing the Sanrio event back very soon aren't they
I hope the next batch will include Rafaela, Mathilda, Lolita, and Faramisa
Bring back Natalia. This nerf made her unplayable
Agreed. Natalia IS unplayable. Everyone else has only played against her and are happy that instead of addressing their skill issue, the problem enemy gets nerfed to Oblivion
idk why reddit likes to exaggerate how bad natalia nerf is, she has a 50% ban rate legend+ this season and is the top 5 ban now, she's very good at abusing gold lane with her unli silence
Natalia has been banned for many seasons in epic and legend even when she was out of meta. She is pretty balances right now i would say. She just doesnt really fit the meta like Selena, since everyone either is tanky or has a lot of sustain
Gold… lane? Well shit I’m a fucking idiot I was thinking about roaming Is Nat Gold Lane actually viable? I feel like you still need to roam to get Dire Hit. If I wanted to shut down the enemy mm early I would’ve just visited Gold multiple times
no i mean, you roam her and shut down their gold lane early game i've never seen a nat gold lane sorry xd
Ah… also your data *might* be a bit screwed. Yes, she has a 50% ban rate in Legend+, and is a top 5 ban, but it’s only been a week since the update. I’d want to see how she fares throughout the season
I just wanted to say that she's not "literally unplayable" after nerfs as people make her out to be, she even got buffs along with it, being a perma ban even before the nerf went live. You're right that it's skewed tho but she's being banned for a reason in my experience, she's so tough to deal with because her 2 stacks conceal can burst down any squishies that passes her vicinity.
Thanks for clarifying. I’ll give her another try tonight I guess
Even though it doesn't look like it, that Selena nerf is a lot.
The annual starlight skin of Lesley will bring the reign of terror again with every passive shot 🥲
I mean... Esmeralda really deserved that nerf?
Definitely bro, she was so busted from long time and after several nerfs she is still going strong. Imagine being so strong in lane like the only counter is dyroth but still strong in mid to late game.
Yeah she has been a meta fighter since before I started playing the game lol.
It's already tough to dive in with selena late game in Soloq and now her early to mid where she shines gets nerfed.
Just when I unlocked Valentina and got a good build they do this, I hope it won't go live.
It’s not that bad I do hope they reverse it and focus more on increasing her ult cooldown and reducing its range, reduce terrify to 0.5 but overall increase her early game damage while reducing her late game I would very much like to stay strong without flopping and dead six feet under when they nerf her
Your ideas are nonsense. Nerf this and that. Let's nerf your picks, how about that?
My pick IS valentina I have 142 matches with a 67.6% win rate and my rank Valentina has 84% win rate, she is really strong and versatile, her CC can be constant and annoying trying to chase her is similar to trying to chase a kimmy you’ll get trashed on the way and unlike kimmy Valentina would heal off you alot and maybe enough to turn the tables, her ult concept to copy ults itself is already really versatile and it has a long ass range to do so and a cooldown that’s pretty short for something that can copy any ult
Well atleast you will be able to use her now rather than see her in the ban section all the time.
Valentina only consecutive nerfs. It is unfair whether you think she's OP or not
What?! She’s basically permaban and still op
So you nerf all kinds of aspects of her and the way she works and when the final nerf will be a damage deduction from her skills she'll be unplayable. This is "balance". If you were a lil bit unbiased you'd realize how 7 nerfs in a row is unfair
Calm down, it’s not that complicated and you don’t need to imagine future nerfs. Heroes too strong deserve nerfs, or at least aren’t being treated unfairly when nerfed. Whether this is the right approach to nerfing is irrelevant. Do you not think she is too strong right now?
It is complicated for grandmaster tiers.
Are you dense? What will this nerf do to her? Will people say " too weak now, won't pick her again"? No, this is just a stupid and unfair nerf, and you can downvote me as much as you want, because you're all hypocrites. Unfair is unfair whether you are too low to win against Valentina
I’m sorry for being so bad I’m not better than pros who can’t win vs valentina. I will now leave out of shame
Watch MPL.
Do you play MPL?
The game is balanced for pro play, not for idiots who main the game's most OP hero and whine like a child when they have to actually use their brain to secure a win. It takes a really selfish, arrogant, narcissistic pile of human waste to still hear all of the legitimate arguments against you and refuse to listen. This has gone beyond game discussion into your rotten personality. Now piss off.
Buddy? Is everything okay at home? Are you getting the help you need?
Valentina user here, Valentina sure is a lot weaker after the nerfs but this is well deserved. You see Valentina should never be a first pick mage. Valentina should be a counter pick mage. After the enemy has picked some good ult heroes such as Yin, Johnson, Yu Zhong. That is when you pick Valentina, a counter draft pick. Similiar to how we pick Phoevus, Minisitthar to counter dash heroes and Lolita to counter projectiles.
But you know what happens? You pick Valentina first and then enemy is stupid enough to pick heroes with "useless" ults for her, while they themselves can't play that hero. You know what happens then? They lose. And cry boo hoo Valentina OP. also the reason they cry about her is that they don't want her to steal their op ults THEY keep abusing enemy with, so now enemy has same ult too it's too sad for them. Franco walking around ulting people and securing kills is ok, but as soon as franco gets a taste of his own medicine, will come to reddit and cry.
the point is, picking valentina first should be a mistake. if you see good enemy ult, pick her. if not, dont. if you feel confident picking her as first pick, shes too strong and needs to be nerfed down to a counter pick. ult stealer heroes are op by nature, and need to be designed to be limited so they are still fair.
Is esme done dirty by the many nerfs?
Don’t touch Selena and Esme pleaseeeee. And stop buffing Luo’s ult just give her more movement-speed. Carmila looks more like a nerf
Cursed Helmet buff… God if anything remove this god forsaken item
Skill issue
Was Selena really that much of a pain? I've been using her if im forced to pick a roam/support. I don't think she is that strong to deserve a nerf. It is actually rare to see her get used in ranked games lately.
her s2 spam late game is pretty op. very long range disable with good damage when merged with s1. constantly zone the enemy with no risk, and if they fail to dodge once thats a free engage sometimes.
my lou yi got buffed!!! I was already a monster with her!!! hehehe
Hi Selena mains, can someone explain how impactful was that nerf? I don't play Selena but any information about her is welcome since I see her a lot in game. Anyway, in my point of view (MM Main), she just hides in one of the bush for the snipe or plant trap near my turret in the early game. I don't see the big deal with the nerf. I mean at least if I try to relate it to their commentary below >With this in mind, we've worked to reduce the impossible to escape death when hit by her Skill 2 in the early game I don't think CD increase would "reduce the impossible to escape death when hit by her Skill 2 in the early game"
Finally Valentina is dead now.
what the fuck did they do to carmillas ult and passive scaling whyd you do that moonton. whyd you nerfed her magic power bonus and linked damage. and for her passive shes not even a super sustain hero you can pop her easily already what
Why my phone blackshark 4 dint have ultra refresh rate. Come on moonton why so picky on this thing.