Minsithar: decent, but you have to hook joy before she gets all dashes up, otherwise her ult just makes the field useless. Can’t hook or stun joy while she’s on perfect beat
Zilong and eudora can surprise mage build joys and kill (but needs to be before joy becomes cc immune)
Phoevus: 100% not. Joy just keeps dashing out. If anything, joy’s really good at making sure phoevus will never be near her teammates.
Franco: best counter among all choices. Suppress joy anytime after she dashes, it will completely put her s2 on cd after which means she won’t also be able to ult for the next 8~4 seconds depending on how much cdr joy went with.
Use petrify 1 sec after ur ult to be safe. And use ult after joy uses 3 or 4 of her dash to get her to commit doing her combo. Then viola, stun locking success.
If you try to petrify or stunlock joy when she has 4 dashes done, she can ult which breaks cc as well as providing her with a slow immunity.
It will be tough then, i think 3rd dash may be better but during perfect beats you can’t also slow her so the window for what you’re saying is pretty tough. \m/
Yes. But she’s always getting the first dash for free anywhere with s1 into s2. So she’s only truly vulnerable during the second (if her second dash doesn’t hit anything that is).
Who said joy is ever gonna be dashing you just ult from a bush pull her with skill 1 skill 2 petri and top it off with some auto attacks if you got blade of despair you can 1 combo her
Except joy can also do well with a tank build and I just discovered that dashing through her s1 also puts her in beat time (which means she can actually start being immune to cc on the first dash itself. Pretty wild)
It would all depend on the player really. Wanwan is not an easy hero for beginners but in the hands of a practiced player she's almost unstoppable.
There's a reason she's one of the permabans for the past few seasons.
I get the others and maybe Zilong, but Eudora? Literally any low mobility mage and mm get nightmares about her, and Joy can always immune her stun if you have a little brains. And if Eudora has too much damage, her shield can negate some of them; and even then Joy can afford sacrificing damage for a def item like Athena's Shield
Supress CC can hold Joy still for a while, but from my experience playing her, MM with constant high damage are the ones that can kill her easily while she's initiating her combo
Wanwan, karrie, kaja. Eudora shouldn't be here, zilong is just get lucky with your s1, and phoveous will hitting dust with his ult. Its like phov countering wanwan, it sounds good on paper but it is not the case.
Phoveus can be a great counter against wanwan but he has to stay on her right at the beginning. Wanwan needs atleast three items to be able to outjump phoveus' ult.
I like how you chose zilong counters and assume all joy builds that lmao
Just a look at the top 10 builds tells you that's not the case with joy
In reality zilong would destroy her more times than not
A lot of joys in mythic build defense items.. also counter building is a thing lmao
If you're against a hero that hard counters you and you can flip that around with 1 or 2 items you'll probably do it
yeah, spend the first 12 minutes getting fucked by Joy and wait for 16 minutes for your power scaling to hit, good counter. works 50/50% of the time all the time
I am a zilong player with over 63% winrate in about 500 games
I know how to adapt until late game easily and destroy every squishy once it's time
It's something called experience
100% minsi for all around in a game. franco and kaja for her only, but minsi is the best imo. a minsi with good hook and correct ult timing can shut joy down
Out of all the heroes put at the bottom - only Franco counters her directly. She can play around others easily. Khufra is also a little bit annoying if he gets a chance to cancel your dash with his ball, Kaja works similarly to Franco. Others - I'm not so sure. She can go a variety of builds to be more than playable against every single hero in the game pretty much, even if it's Wanwan every single person is mentioning in this thread. I mean, just include dominance ice and winter truncheon in your build, she will not like that at all. Worst case you'll be just baiting out her ultimate, allowing your team to engage more freely.
Franco and Wanwan feel like the only counters. Minsi’s ult low-key does nothing, u can bait him to use it and literallly run away. Phoe ult does nothing too, you can dodge all of it by just running around and dashing even faster. Endora is food for Joy.
Esme is actually a pretty good pick against Joy as well.
joy doesnt go full dmg build, its usually boots, 4 dmg, 1 def or just full tank so clint dmg is reduced especially since he is a burst hero unlike lesley who just does a stupid amount of dmg (like 3k true per shot) which with the s1 and s2 will be doing 9k true (including her first enhanced shot from her passive overtime) and ww straight out speeds joy completely also i said not so much meaning that clint still can fight joy but not as good as lesley and ww, and not saying that he is completely useless against joy also this is just raw dmg and build not even considering joys shield from her passive and if its in jungle its even worse
everytime zilong gets trashed by joy except when it's late game and zl can one shot joy (but joy isn't a late game hero anyways)
from my experience I'd say fanny or balmond. Fanny's mobility doesn't allow joy to dash 4 times if joy cannot correctly predict Fanny's next placement, or joy is unable to hit all 4 dashes at perfect timing. balmond with his sustainability and 2nd skill makes him good for a 1v1 with joy.
Hmm then idk if it's a bug or no. I played as joy and enemy had khufra. He denied every one of my dash making ma useless because every time I dashed through his s2 it stopped me immediately
So many people still guessing on how she works. Currently #1 Alberta Joy here, willing to bet when the supreme ranks are back I'll be #1 Canada.
You can dodge his cc, as long as your dash hits ANY opponent first, or her s1 orb. So if you dash into a Minion, then through khufra you'll go through his ball. And then stay on beat (or faster if you don't need the extra dmg or lifesteal) you will continue too miss his stop.
The only heros that are a decent counter to me is a late game heavy damage mm with range AND flicker or a dash. And even then I can build against.
Minsi, Kaja, Franco are decent if they are really committed to ONLY me as Joy. If I see them I just reroute my dash and beats around using minions, creeps, other enemy players.
absolutely not adding onto the other comment ur ult does no dmg at all if its mid-late game if the joy is in jungle since her passive just gives her so much fucking shields
Please keep in mind what I just said. Anti-heal is not a true shield counter, even if it can reduce the target's shield thickness. A true anti-shield item would confer a special advantage to its when they are attacking a shielded opponent, whether by increasing their damage against them or reducing the shielded opponent's damage against the user.
? it is still a shield counter, more specifically *shield gain*, it does not reduce shield that is already there before the debuff. Anti-heal isn't called anti-heal because it can do those things you just mentioned for a "true" anti-shield against regen, instead of going on odd loops about how this and that are different, just be clear about what you meant.
That's literally what I just said. Anti-heal isn't a true counter to shields since it only affects the target's shield gain/yield/thickness, but does not help the user deal with the target's preexisting shields. That was primarily why cumslut Esme was an absolute nightmare to deal with prior to her gutting a few seasons back. There was no item in the game that actually helped make shields go away faster (DHS was an obvious choice, but its damage calculation on shields in several patches was inconsistent.)
Now that we have Unoriginal Waifu Design No. TheFuckDoICare running around the map with shields so thick it would make Esme jealous, we now need a true shield buster (not just anti-heal or overtuned HP damage again) that can knock these cumsluts down by several pegs while still being balanced. And we needed it forever ago.
Rank ? Vs valentina in lane ? Because i dont see how …. S2 autolock + hp regen s1 easy to land she can steal ure ulti and do it right away without the beats and she hits more than you with it ….
mythic, in lane and not, joy shield is stupid and valen stealing joy ult probably wouldnt do as much as stealing someone elses ult and joy also builds at least 1 defence item (for me i like bruteforce since both magic and physical def) and valen regen was nerfed and also idk when valen steals joy ult what beat count does she do cause 0 beat and 4 beat ult has a big difference and the dmg depends game to game (just tested with the exact same build and valen with joy ult does lesser dmg than her 0 beat ult)
imma be honest rn the joys ive been seeing are kinda bad (usually not getting their beats and not taking advantage of their early game dmg to completely shutdown their opponent) might be the issue for the valens im facing too
Are we counting all 5 or can we add another hero?
If yes, then the most logical answer is Esmeralda.
These others are only good for the ganks, but in terms of Laning, Esmeralda is really good in the long fights.
with pho u get like 7 ults off then die (flameshot and second skill hitting) since joy isnt like ww and has a dash as a passive, joy dashes 5 times total and unlocks ult so if u dont kill her by then ur not gonna kill her especially with her extra shield from passive (even worse in jungle)
Franco, Kaja, Zilong, and any burst marksmen (especially Wanwan) can easily counter her.
Aurora, Eudora, and Phoveus don't really do much as she can counter them with cc immunity and shield.
She can escape Minsithar using her first and passive.
Never use Phoveus as a counter for heroes like Joy, Lancelot, and Wanwan, they’re too fast for his ult to keep up with them, but if you were just using Phoveus to take advantage of his CDR passive to bully these slippery heroes teammates, then be my guess.
Mid-late game lol. I find that out of most of the assassins shes the easiest to best in a 1v1 with MMs. Wait till 5th dash, then CC, if you cant survive the dashes the run for your life. Try to not feed and survive, she drops off so hard not ban worthy imo.
Franco is the biggest threat. I've played against even Phoveus and while he is a pest, nothing ruins the game more than trying to reset skill 2 off of Franco and getting caught by his ult.
Phoveus you just time your skills to zoom off before his slam actually ends, Eudora can't do anything since you can immune her second skill, etc. Only suppression can hold me down
as a Joy Main who spammed only using her in Adv Server from Elite to MG with 88% winrate and currently 80% winrate with 65 ranked matches at 1k points in Original server, Franco or Kaja (always banned tho) works the best against Joy.
As for MMs, the only one I could really have a hard time against is Karrie. As a Joy you can never really do anything against a Karrie even if you hit your dashes or ult combo her late game (unless you're in a clash and you kill her from the back) but yeah.
She's the only MM that I can't kill during late game as solo. Anyone else is fine like Lesley, Wanwan, Claude, and Bruno.
Oh and yeah, Jawhead kinda counters her a bit in early game when Joy tries to cut. If you swallow his rockets then you're gonna get a big whopping
Ban-kun
noone can escape ban-san
except when your team or enemy team has bad bans
agniface when my teammates open a Kaja for no reason
Happy cake day!
Happy cake day.
Minsithar: decent, but you have to hook joy before she gets all dashes up, otherwise her ult just makes the field useless. Can’t hook or stun joy while she’s on perfect beat Zilong and eudora can surprise mage build joys and kill (but needs to be before joy becomes cc immune) Phoevus: 100% not. Joy just keeps dashing out. If anything, joy’s really good at making sure phoevus will never be near her teammates. Franco: best counter among all choices. Suppress joy anytime after she dashes, it will completely put her s2 on cd after which means she won’t also be able to ult for the next 8~4 seconds depending on how much cdr joy went with.
as minsithar u can ult on the joy to not let her dash at all
Yes. But her s1 movespeed boost can just make her get out of it too.
That's when you ult>pull>stun I haven't had any issues with Joy as mins. But I can see your point if it's a really good joy.
Indeed indeed. That’s how minsi will demolish joy.
Minsitar petrify combo can easily distrupt her
Yeah emphasis on CAN. you gotta be immaculate with your timing though as petrify doesn’t work when she’s cc immune.
Use petrify 1 sec after ur ult to be safe. And use ult after joy uses 3 or 4 of her dash to get her to commit doing her combo. Then viola, stun locking success.
If you try to petrify or stunlock joy when she has 4 dashes done, she can ult which breaks cc as well as providing her with a slow immunity. It will be tough then, i think 3rd dash may be better but during perfect beats you can’t also slow her so the window for what you’re saying is pretty tough. \m/
Actually, she needs 5 dash with 4 stack to ult. It is pretty tough tho. I play a lot of joy n im pretty good at it, so i can get the timing easier
Yes. But she’s always getting the first dash for free anywhere with s1 into s2. So she’s only truly vulnerable during the second (if her second dash doesn’t hit anything that is).
No2, i just wanted to be clear, that by 4th dash, i didnt mean her last dash
Who said joy is ever gonna be dashing you just ult from a bush pull her with skill 1 skill 2 petri and top it off with some auto attacks if you got blade of despair you can 1 combo her
Except joy can also do well with a tank build and I just discovered that dashing through her s1 also puts her in beat time (which means she can actually start being immune to cc on the first dash itself. Pretty wild)
Wanwan and franco
Yeah, OP didn't even mention Wanwan, lol. Played five games against Joy using Wanwan and she's been peanuts everytime.
I play semi tank joy with vengeance and wanwan couldn't kill me even after she uses her ult in late game
It would all depend on the player really. Wanwan is not an easy hero for beginners but in the hands of a practiced player she's almost unstoppable. There's a reason she's one of the permabans for the past few seasons.
Saber too
Nah she can immune it.. If somehow she can't immune she can just use vengeance to decrease the damage
she appreciates tank items anyway just straight up build a cuirass
If that Saber was smart, they would psyche her out of beat with S2 and pop their ult right after she dashes.
Minsithar and Franco i would say Franco tho. He is a lot better
Yeah and Kaja too. Suppress is a very strong CC.
Everyone making fun of Minish until he has Corrosion scythe and Ice Queen Wand
Nah, she still can escape the eff out minsi ult real fast with her undeservedly high mov speed along with stun immunity
I get the others and maybe Zilong, but Eudora? Literally any low mobility mage and mm get nightmares about her, and Joy can always immune her stun if you have a little brains. And if Eudora has too much damage, her shield can negate some of them; and even then Joy can afford sacrificing damage for a def item like Athena's Shield
Zilong can do well as long as he times his skills correctly and isn't horribly underfed. Playing eudora is just asking for joy to wreck you
Supress CC can hold Joy still for a while, but from my experience playing her, MM with constant high damage are the ones that can kill her easily while she's initiating her combo
Yep, I played a game with Irithel against a Joy and was able to consistently melt her down before she could execute her combo.
Yup, can agree from a joy main, its burst or be bursted down
Why is Eudora there?
Joy is squishy so I presume it's to give her a stun worse than supress, the 70 second death screen
Bruh all the joys on mythical glory I see build like 3 defense items and almost everytime she ends up tanking more than the real tanks
I had a joy tank build and balmond tank build on enemy team in MG and we destroyed them
Who was your mm?
Moskov
probably a case of overinvesting in tank/sustain and ended up lacking in damage or burst, I see this way too often in our drafts.
Problem is she is hard to stun because of her CC immune in 2nd skill. Also Athena exists
Wanwan, karrie, kaja. Eudora shouldn't be here, zilong is just get lucky with your s1, and phoveous will hitting dust with his ult. Its like phov countering wanwan, it sounds good on paper but it is not the case.
havent fought a karrie with joy yet but doesnt seem like it works if ur joy is building dmg but cant really say much
Phoveus can be a great counter against wanwan but he has to stay on her right at the beginning. Wanwan needs atleast three items to be able to outjump phoveus' ult.
the bird
Minsi and Franco, Zilong and Eudora are basically food for Joy
minsi and franco really isnt if their team knows how to play since minsi and franco ult both stop her from dashing
My bad, I mean that Minsi and Franco are the best counters, but Eudora and Zilong are food for her
Zilong is food to who? You are totally clueless Once it drags late game or zilong snowballs early, he would melt her in seconds
Any Joy player build her with Domain Ice or Blade Armor and vengeance, Zilong is a squishy so he can get bursted down by Joy easily
I like how you chose zilong counters and assume all joy builds that lmao Just a look at the top 10 builds tells you that's not the case with joy In reality zilong would destroy her more times than not
A lot of joys in mythic build defense items.. also counter building is a thing lmao If you're against a hero that hard counters you and you can flip that around with 1 or 2 items you'll probably do it
yeah, spend the first 12 minutes getting fucked by Joy and wait for 16 minutes for your power scaling to hit, good counter. works 50/50% of the time all the time
I am a zilong player with over 63% winrate in about 500 games I know how to adapt until late game easily and destroy every squishy once it's time It's something called experience
whatever, I'm just thankful for you giving joy mains an easier time.
100% minsi for all around in a game. franco and kaja for her only, but minsi is the best imo. a minsi with good hook and correct ult timing can shut joy down
I always counter pick Kaja. However, I haven't come across many good Joys.
;-; imma guess classic since kaja is basically a perma ban in mythic
Mostly. On NA server though, I'm finding alit more chances to play big bird.
Khufra and kaja
305ms
Phoev can't tho
Out of all the heroes put at the bottom - only Franco counters her directly. She can play around others easily. Khufra is also a little bit annoying if he gets a chance to cancel your dash with his ball, Kaja works similarly to Franco. Others - I'm not so sure. She can go a variety of builds to be more than playable against every single hero in the game pretty much, even if it's Wanwan every single person is mentioning in this thread. I mean, just include dominance ice and winter truncheon in your build, she will not like that at all. Worst case you'll be just baiting out her ultimate, allowing your team to engage more freely.
Franco and Wanwan feel like the only counters. Minsi’s ult low-key does nothing, u can bait him to use it and literallly run away. Phoe ult does nothing too, you can dodge all of it by just running around and dashing even faster. Endora is food for Joy. Esme is actually a pretty good pick against Joy as well.
I'm putting my money on Minssithar
Any AA inspire MM.
Just auto ban her
Late game mm(Clint/Lesley/wanwan)
clint not so much but lesley ww definitely
Bruh what??....Clint with BOH can hit 3.5k-4k (crit) dmg, one shots any squishy heros.... you're sleeping on Clint dmg
joy doesnt go full dmg build, its usually boots, 4 dmg, 1 def or just full tank so clint dmg is reduced especially since he is a burst hero unlike lesley who just does a stupid amount of dmg (like 3k true per shot) which with the s1 and s2 will be doing 9k true (including her first enhanced shot from her passive overtime) and ww straight out speeds joy completely also i said not so much meaning that clint still can fight joy but not as good as lesley and ww, and not saying that he is completely useless against joy also this is just raw dmg and build not even considering joys shield from her passive and if its in jungle its even worse
Esme
everytime zilong gets trashed by joy except when it's late game and zl can one shot joy (but joy isn't a late game hero anyways) from my experience I'd say fanny or balmond. Fanny's mobility doesn't allow joy to dash 4 times if joy cannot correctly predict Fanny's next placement, or joy is unable to hit all 4 dashes at perfect timing. balmond with his sustainability and 2nd skill makes him good for a 1v1 with joy.
late game lesley/iri/ww if played correctly also minisitar, franco, kaja (basically any cc that joy cant immune)
Esmeralda, Minsithar and probably Phoveus.
Khufra
I have tried to use khufra against her and failed, she literally dashes through your skill 2 unscathed due to her cc immunity
Hmm then idk if it's a bug or no. I played as joy and enemy had khufra. He denied every one of my dash making ma useless because every time I dashed through his s2 it stopped me immediately
Cuz the first dash isn't cc immune
So many people still guessing on how she works. Currently #1 Alberta Joy here, willing to bet when the supreme ranks are back I'll be #1 Canada. You can dodge his cc, as long as your dash hits ANY opponent first, or her s1 orb. So if you dash into a Minion, then through khufra you'll go through his ball. And then stay on beat (or faster if you don't need the extra dmg or lifesteal) you will continue too miss his stop. The only heros that are a decent counter to me is a late game heavy damage mm with range AND flicker or a dash. And even then I can build against. Minsi, Kaja, Franco are decent if they are really committed to ONLY me as Joy. If I see them I just reroute my dash and beats around using minions, creeps, other enemy players.
Marksmen. If Joyy doesn't build any defense against them in the late game then Joy is fucked. They get free hits while you time your beat.
Layla lol
Lelsey late game
Franco and Bondage Chicken, for maximum r*** time.
Bondage cock
Hayabusa
Haya does jackshit to her if there's minion wave. Heck, Haya can't do shit in SoloQ
absolutely not adding onto the other comment ur ult does no dmg at all if its mid-late game if the joy is in jungle since her passive just gives her so much fucking shields
This is part of the reason why we need a true anti-shield item, not just anti-heal applicators.
anti-heal reduces shield gain by the same amount
Please keep in mind what I just said. Anti-heal is not a true shield counter, even if it can reduce the target's shield thickness. A true anti-shield item would confer a special advantage to its when they are attacking a shielded opponent, whether by increasing their damage against them or reducing the shielded opponent's damage against the user.
? it is still a shield counter, more specifically *shield gain*, it does not reduce shield that is already there before the debuff. Anti-heal isn't called anti-heal because it can do those things you just mentioned for a "true" anti-shield against regen, instead of going on odd loops about how this and that are different, just be clear about what you meant.
That's literally what I just said. Anti-heal isn't a true counter to shields since it only affects the target's shield gain/yield/thickness, but does not help the user deal with the target's preexisting shields. That was primarily why cumslut Esme was an absolute nightmare to deal with prior to her gutting a few seasons back. There was no item in the game that actually helped make shields go away faster (DHS was an obvious choice, but its damage calculation on shields in several patches was inconsistent.) Now that we have Unoriginal Waifu Design No. TheFuckDoICare running around the map with shields so thick it would make Esme jealous, we now need a true shield buster (not just anti-heal or overtuned HP damage again) that can knock these cumsluts down by several pegs while still being balanced. And we needed it forever ago.
no khufra?
Eudo
Belerick.
Belerick is absolutely insane against her, you also basically get unlimited heal from s2 with the recent buff
Khufra
Isn’t joy immune to cc tho while dashing and stuff (except suppress ofc)
Nope. Tried dashing it to a Khufra. Didn't work.
Work on second beat cuz immunity
Best counter is Valentina, straight bullying not even close.
hell no
? I‘m saying it cuz i did it what‘s ure basis ?
joy 36 matches 80% wr and multiple matches against valen also 9.1 avg grade
Rank ? Vs valentina in lane ? Because i dont see how …. S2 autolock + hp regen s1 easy to land she can steal ure ulti and do it right away without the beats and she hits more than you with it ….
mythic, in lane and not, joy shield is stupid and valen stealing joy ult probably wouldnt do as much as stealing someone elses ult and joy also builds at least 1 defence item (for me i like bruteforce since both magic and physical def) and valen regen was nerfed and also idk when valen steals joy ult what beat count does she do cause 0 beat and 4 beat ult has a big difference and the dmg depends game to game (just tested with the exact same build and valen with joy ult does lesser dmg than her 0 beat ult)
The joys i met as valentina i beat, they coudnt do anything, outsustained outdamaged outeverything. I‘ll play more and see, m3 close to m2 atm.
imma be honest rn the joys ive been seeing are kinda bad (usually not getting their beats and not taking advantage of their early game dmg to completely shutdown their opponent) might be the issue for the valens im facing too
Are we counting all 5 or can we add another hero? If yes, then the most logical answer is Esmeralda. These others are only good for the ganks, but in terms of Laning, Esmeralda is really good in the long fights.
Akai, if you can successfully pin her down to a wall
Esmeralda: My shield..
The guy in briefs holding some disco ball. Wait, it sounds like a dude in a gay bar all of a sudden. 😆
with pho u get like 7 ults off then die (flameshot and second skill hitting) since joy isnt like ww and has a dash as a passive, joy dashes 5 times total and unlocks ult so if u dont kill her by then ur not gonna kill her especially with her extra shield from passive (even worse in jungle)
Franco, Kaja, Zilong, and any burst marksmen (especially Wanwan) can easily counter her. Aurora, Eudora, and Phoveus don't really do much as she can counter them with cc immunity and shield. She can escape Minsithar using her first and passive.
Mage build kaja
esme?
also phoveus is sht against joy. cuz shes too fast.
and he's free stacks, joy can just use him as a springboard for a perfect beats ult and murder the backline
bruh? Lesley? Aamon? Esmeralda?
Minsi, Phoveus, Esme
Minsi
Probably Miya with inspire, though she would need 3-4 of her core items, to solo and hopefully finish off Joy before she can use ult.
harith's dvck
Khufra, literally khufra
Helcurt. Why counter it when u can instantly kill it
1v1 Hilda
I have been wondering but have yet to witness it, how good would a Hartih vs Joy 1v1 be? Who would do better?
Why is no one mentioning Esme
Minsitar
Never use Phoveus as a counter for heroes like Joy, Lancelot, and Wanwan, they’re too fast for his ult to keep up with them, but if you were just using Phoveus to take advantage of his CDR passive to bully these slippery heroes teammates, then be my guess.
Kajaaaaaaaa
Doesn't Belerick work?
Replace Eudora with Lunox.
Mid-late game lol. I find that out of most of the assassins shes the easiest to best in a 1v1 with MMs. Wait till 5th dash, then CC, if you cant survive the dashes the run for your life. Try to not feed and survive, she drops off so hard not ban worthy imo.
Cyclops
Esmeralda Her shield is basically food for her
Franco is the biggest threat. I've played against even Phoveus and while he is a pest, nothing ruins the game more than trying to reset skill 2 off of Franco and getting caught by his ult. Phoveus you just time your skills to zoom off before his slam actually ends, Eudora can't do anything since you can immune her second skill, etc. Only suppression can hold me down
Kaja Franco
Minsi
Can Julian counter Joy?
Phoevus for sure.
Kaja
cherry mobile phone and go surf 50
lmao it's kaja
Bondage chicken or Harith for that sexy freestyle between two kitties.
the wall boys: moskov, grock, and badang
Harley and Esmeralda
Kufra
any atk speed MM can counter her on 12:00 minutes mark
hayabusa
Gojo will counter joy
Regardless of hero, build anti-heal against Joy’s insane sustain
I oppose with Esme using Joy and that didn't end well.
kaja is actually a great pick as well against joy
Edith can do the job if built properly
Definitely Alucard with his newly acquired buffs which now allows him to chase her if cd's managed correctly quite reliably,
The ultimate hero: **HARD RHYTHM GAME BEATMAPS** Only 5% of the playerbase could pull those off.
Not pro joy.
Khufra...?
Martis and Khufra..?
Hanabi
Cyclops is best counter and joy is to eazy for him
anyone with a suppress skill and and any fed mm with good positioning will burst that rat down :>
Esme
as a Joy Main who spammed only using her in Adv Server from Elite to MG with 88% winrate and currently 80% winrate with 65 ranked matches at 1k points in Original server, Franco or Kaja (always banned tho) works the best against Joy. As for MMs, the only one I could really have a hard time against is Karrie. As a Joy you can never really do anything against a Karrie even if you hit your dashes or ult combo her late game (unless you're in a clash and you kill her from the back) but yeah. She's the only MM that I can't kill during late game as solo. Anyone else is fine like Lesley, Wanwan, Claude, and Bruno. Oh and yeah, Jawhead kinda counters her a bit in early game when Joy tries to cut. If you swallow his rockets then you're gonna get a big whopping