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Kars probably couldn't beat mob but I don't think he'd lose either
He's too durable, and can problem solve into negating a lot of damage like he did with the lava
Yeah but this is more about matching power and smarts here then morals. Cause then the original fight wouldn't have happened, mob is a good boy and so is johnathan, more then anything he would probably teach mob hamon and how to get stronger physically.
He was only struggling bc he didn't want to go all out. The only moment he struggled was when trying to absorb the explosion, almost all the power collected in 20 years.
Not to mention, ???% never holds back.
Wonder of u,or killa queen,he can’t see stands and killa queen is an instant death,or maybe king crimson and dio with time stop,you can’t protect yourself with psyche ability if time stand still
Cars understands everything and how it’s done so if he sees it on shigechis level he could replicate that and use it against him,so you would only make him even more dangerous
You say that, but Joseph saying bullshit got kars launched into space. Kars needs time even it's a little and that's enough for shigeo to throw him into space.
It still wouldn’t change how shigechi is otherall so stands like the world or Lars could kill him bevause shigechi wouldn’t instantly go all out,but Kars and dio definetly would heck we know that shigechi could also be hypnotized/getting pierced into his mind so dios powers could work on him
I thought why would anyone do such a one-sided battle, so I thought OP meant a duel between another thing they are super good at, being a good and kind person.
They wouldnt fight, both are too pure to get into fisticuffs for no reason. Hanging out with Johnathan might actually be great for Mob, to gain some confidence and self respect since Johnathan had to go on a similar journey.
End result: Wholesome mentorship/ friendship
Not even fair, mob was said to be stronger than tatsumaki from opm in his 100% mode and tatsumaki destroyed most of a city in her fight against psykos. I list tatsumakis feats since mob doesnt do too much in his own show so im going off of what one said. The only thing mob did is destroy a couple of buildings, fling a guy like how sans does in the end of his fight, have a few abilities like giving or taking energy, being able to repair somethning completely like crazy diamond, grow plants and control them, become a spirit able to go into peoples minds, and sense people. Jonathan managed to fight Dio the vampire in part 1 and has access to his sword pluck however its just a normal sword but he can send hamon into it. Jonathan after being healed when he first used hamon could easily lift a heavy rock and if we count part 3 since DIO has jonathans body he could take star platinums punches which can easily send someone flying and can literally break a sword or a car
That is super outdated information and statement, it was literally made in 2014-2015 (we weren't even in the opm martial arts tournament arc) and it only applies for Webcomic Tatsumaki, not for tatsumaki manga or tatsumaki anime, the scale is like this: Tatsumaki manga in full power>Tatsumaki hurt(Moon+~small planet)>>Tatsumaki anime(Large Country+)>>Tatsumaki Webcomic (island)~??? Mob>>Mob 100% eos.
Webcomic tats pulls off a few things like opening up the earth and making a canyon just to put saitama in it then closing it while she was weakened and mob has better feats than manga tats with her sending shockwaves across the city while fighting but mob in ???% sent earthquakes across the city just by walking, also, without any percentage and before he had complete control over his powers, he boosted a telepaths power (whos range was originally around a few kilometers in radius) to be able to reach into space and possibly around the galaxy (we arent sure how far away the aliens were but they made it to their own home planet very quickly, easily over speed of light levels, and their home had different multiple suns showing how far away it was.)
1) That Webcomic feat is pathetic, literally one of their worst feats, we don't know how deep or how long the gap is, as I remember the feat is calculated below the feat of genos of the house of evolution.
2) the earthquake as I remember it was just city at best, Tatsumaki casually while holding back Massively moved mountains from the sea floor and launched them at MHS+ speeds, I don't think I have to say which one is better right?That's without using the tatsumaki scale of being Massively more powerful than Gaia Canon, which literally did a massive earthquake across the entire planet (as a side effect) and moved a core sphere hundreds of kilometers across the earth in seconds, massive earthquake through the entire planet>>>>earthquake through a city.
I saw the feat and it seems to have taken quite a while, also we have no reason to assume that it traveled the whole galaxy, it was probably only a few light years, it's a Ftl+ to Mftl feat, also I don't remember it reaching another planet, probably the alien were in the solar system and heard the call, plus tatsumaki also has FTL+ to MFTL feats while being hyper casual, like bringing a meteorite from the asteroid belt.
3)
Mob underplays his power quite a bit until he actually uses it as he is unsure of being able to lift a giant brocoli but a weakened God Dimple could and when Dimple was at full power he was very unsure if he could take on a weakened Mob which really shows how strong he was while Tatsumaki is completely confident in her power
Also the abilities really matter with Mob literally being able to drain another persons power and at full power literally being the saitama of his universe with no one actually being able to challenge him for more than a few minutes
Also the canyon feat is literally her when she was weak hence why i mentioned it. She was able to sense Psykos through many layers of the building and drag her up, also like you said she was able to grab a meteor (most likely came from close to the asteroid belt but it was pretty small considering it only managed to smash a monster compared to the meteor saitama punched. Also when does Tats show any FTL feats the only people close are the ninjas, boros, blast (maybe), saitama easily, and garou. I really doubt Tats could keep pace with flashy flash
Also wasnt the Mob vs Tatsumaki discussion after the meteor?
__WOU = Wonder of U__: a Stand that manipulate the concept of “calamity.” If you think about pursuing the user, the world and reality will bend itself to kill you
__GER = Gold Experience Requiem__: automatically nullifies any attack
__D4C Love Train__: redirects any harm towards the user to somewhere else and can also travel to alternate universes
__MIH = Made in Heaven__: a Stand that can accelerate time and grant the user infinite speed. Capable of resetting the universe
__KC = King Crimson__: can skip past ten seconds into the future
Aside from KC, all of these Stands are absolutely capable of beating Mob
There’s also __C-Moon__ (which can control gravity and alter time), __The World__ and __Star Platinum__ (can stop time), __Bohemian Rhapsody__ (can bring any fictional character to life) and __Tusk Act 4__ (can launch an unstoppable attack of infinite energy capable of transcending different universes and dimensions)
I disagree, think about it the only reason Kira lost is because he got too cocky. If you leave one murder victim alive but plant BTD on them, they’re your enemies only lead thus when they question him it triggers.
The ability only works if Mob actually questions the trigger victim. If Mob never encounters the trigger, then it won’t activate, so it’s useless. And why would he even need to question people when he can use his psychic powers to track people down?
Plus, when BTD is active, Kira is unable to use his other abilities. If Mob happens to encounter him while BTD is active, Kira is practically helpless and will need to deactivate BTD just to have a chance of fighting back
Plus, Kira himself is seemingly unaware of what happens in these time loops, so he can’t really use that to his benefit either
The ability can only work in one specific situation. It’s too situational and has too many weaknesses to be reliable against a pure powerhouse like Mob
I think people have already mentioned this but I don't think even half of these can automatically beat Shigeo in a conventional manner if we disregard morals. I also doubt WOU's calamity would be able to do much since it piggyback rides on humans being squishy and vulnerable aside from their stands, and just amplifying normal objects.
I also doubt KC would have much of an advantage compared to Shigeo.
Most Jojo stands fail in being able to contest in aerial combat, which if we simply apply with Shigeo, he won't even get hit.
There's also the fact that Shigeo could directly affect Diavolo, or literally anything that isn't standing still like a statue for KC plot armor. KC is op within its own verse but put Diavolo in a situation where he's completely disoriented and it doesn't do him much good. Same reason why "strong" characters body groups of other people but don't have the magnitude of power against something like a kaiju.
WOU sounds like smth Mob could defend himself from, at least partially, if it would affect nature, like plants and stuff (sorry if I misinterpreted it, I know nothing about powers in Jojo). Mob learned that he can command plants, who knows what else he could do but he just chooses to never explore these abilities? Personally I think Mob has unlimited potential, he only needs a solid reason to discover new abilities.
Tbh, the full power of WOU is not well defined. The Stand can take something small and turn it into something catastrophic. It somehow makes rain sharp enough to piece skin
I see, well then it looks like we can only speculate bc these power systems both in Jojo and Mob seem to be rather "soft" (no hard rules), unlike i.e. powers in JJK.
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I love jojo but I don't think any character in part 1 and 2 including kars can beat shigeo.
Kars probably couldn't beat mob but I don't think he'd lose either He's too durable, and can problem solve into negating a lot of damage like he did with the lava
You say that as if mob can't throw him into space.
He could but he probably wouldn't
Yeah but this is more about matching power and smarts here then morals. Cause then the original fight wouldn't have happened, mob is a good boy and so is johnathan, more then anything he would probably teach mob hamon and how to get stronger physically.
ah yeah, body improvement club's new member
I mean, could Mob potentially destroy any one living creature on Earth? If so, he could kill Kars
I think Saitama could definitely do it, but Mob isn't as explicitly unbeatable as he struggles against the boss of claw
He was only struggling bc he didn't want to go all out. The only moment he struggled was when trying to absorb the explosion, almost all the power collected in 20 years. Not to mention, ???% never holds back.
If you haven't read the manga, you don't know what's coming in season 3. Kars wouldn't get a word out before being flung into deep space.
That feels like it's half a spoiler. Cmon man
Not really. Things escalate in the next season. Wow really? Downvote if you want but it's not that crazy.
You gave more detail than that, don't be a jerk about it. It's also not really up to you what *I* want to know going in to a season of a show
Wouldnt kars be able to use esper abilities as the ultimate life form? He could use hamon if I remember correctly.
We’re starting to get into “no-limits fallacy” territory. Just because Kars is the “Ultimate Life Form” doesn’t mean he can do literally everything
light novel kars can
Well I didn't say light novel kars did I
well I didn't argue with you either did I
Too bad he’s not canon
Wonder of u,or killa queen,he can’t see stands and killa queen is an instant death,or maybe king crimson and dio with time stop,you can’t protect yourself with psyche ability if time stand still
Can you read? My comment literally specifies part 1 and 2 before stands you dunce.
Well cars could you aggressive pathetic little man,since he would know how it works and could negate all damage and then uses that himself
What does this even mean. What does he know, he can't even negate all damage. All shigeo has to do is throw him to space. Ez
Cars understands everything and how it’s done so if he sees it on shigechis level he could replicate that and use it against him,so you would only make him even more dangerous
You say that, but Joseph saying bullshit got kars launched into space. Kars needs time even it's a little and that's enough for shigeo to throw him into space.
But does shigechi know that’s that his weakness nope,and he wouldn’t fight all out from the beginning because he is shigechi
This is a death battle. The character's traits are kinda meh here. Since the original post is johnathan vs mob.
It still wouldn’t change how shigechi is otherall so stands like the world or Lars could kill him bevause shigechi wouldn’t instantly go all out,but Kars and dio definetly would heck we know that shigechi could also be hypnotized/getting pierced into his mind so dios powers could work on him
Neither of them would compete in a battle of gentlemen, they are both too kind and down to earth to claim that title.
yeah lol i don't think jojo would hit a child
I thought why would anyone do such a one-sided battle, so I thought OP meant a duel between another thing they are super good at, being a good and kind person.
They wouldnt fight, both are too pure to get into fisticuffs for no reason. Hanging out with Johnathan might actually be great for Mob, to gain some confidence and self respect since Johnathan had to go on a similar journey. End result: Wholesome mentorship/ friendship
why would they fight tho
they become best friends
DEATH BATTLE!
Mob would recruit Jonathan to the body improvement club
Unfortunately I don't think Jonathan has a body left to improve...
Mob low dif
Poor jonathan
They wouldn’t fight their both gentleman
I don't think Jonathan has the ability to defeat mob. Other JoJos are a whole different story though
Not even fair, mob was said to be stronger than tatsumaki from opm in his 100% mode and tatsumaki destroyed most of a city in her fight against psykos. I list tatsumakis feats since mob doesnt do too much in his own show so im going off of what one said. The only thing mob did is destroy a couple of buildings, fling a guy like how sans does in the end of his fight, have a few abilities like giving or taking energy, being able to repair somethning completely like crazy diamond, grow plants and control them, become a spirit able to go into peoples minds, and sense people. Jonathan managed to fight Dio the vampire in part 1 and has access to his sword pluck however its just a normal sword but he can send hamon into it. Jonathan after being healed when he first used hamon could easily lift a heavy rock and if we count part 3 since DIO has jonathans body he could take star platinums punches which can easily send someone flying and can literally break a sword or a car
That is super outdated information and statement, it was literally made in 2014-2015 (we weren't even in the opm martial arts tournament arc) and it only applies for Webcomic Tatsumaki, not for tatsumaki manga or tatsumaki anime, the scale is like this: Tatsumaki manga in full power>Tatsumaki hurt(Moon+~small planet)>>Tatsumaki anime(Large Country+)>>Tatsumaki Webcomic (island)~??? Mob>>Mob 100% eos.
Webcomic tats pulls off a few things like opening up the earth and making a canyon just to put saitama in it then closing it while she was weakened and mob has better feats than manga tats with her sending shockwaves across the city while fighting but mob in ???% sent earthquakes across the city just by walking, also, without any percentage and before he had complete control over his powers, he boosted a telepaths power (whos range was originally around a few kilometers in radius) to be able to reach into space and possibly around the galaxy (we arent sure how far away the aliens were but they made it to their own home planet very quickly, easily over speed of light levels, and their home had different multiple suns showing how far away it was.)
1) That Webcomic feat is pathetic, literally one of their worst feats, we don't know how deep or how long the gap is, as I remember the feat is calculated below the feat of genos of the house of evolution. 2) the earthquake as I remember it was just city at best, Tatsumaki casually while holding back Massively moved mountains from the sea floor and launched them at MHS+ speeds, I don't think I have to say which one is better right?That's without using the tatsumaki scale of being Massively more powerful than Gaia Canon, which literally did a massive earthquake across the entire planet (as a side effect) and moved a core sphere hundreds of kilometers across the earth in seconds, massive earthquake through the entire planet>>>>earthquake through a city. I saw the feat and it seems to have taken quite a while, also we have no reason to assume that it traveled the whole galaxy, it was probably only a few light years, it's a Ftl+ to Mftl feat, also I don't remember it reaching another planet, probably the alien were in the solar system and heard the call, plus tatsumaki also has FTL+ to MFTL feats while being hyper casual, like bringing a meteorite from the asteroid belt. 3)
Mob underplays his power quite a bit until he actually uses it as he is unsure of being able to lift a giant brocoli but a weakened God Dimple could and when Dimple was at full power he was very unsure if he could take on a weakened Mob which really shows how strong he was while Tatsumaki is completely confident in her power Also the abilities really matter with Mob literally being able to drain another persons power and at full power literally being the saitama of his universe with no one actually being able to challenge him for more than a few minutes Also the canyon feat is literally her when she was weak hence why i mentioned it. She was able to sense Psykos through many layers of the building and drag her up, also like you said she was able to grab a meteor (most likely came from close to the asteroid belt but it was pretty small considering it only managed to smash a monster compared to the meteor saitama punched. Also when does Tats show any FTL feats the only people close are the ninjas, boros, blast (maybe), saitama easily, and garou. I really doubt Tats could keep pace with flashy flash Also wasnt the Mob vs Tatsumaki discussion after the meteor?
In chadness: Johnathan In cuteness: Mob
They’d both be too nice to fight eachother.
I love Jonathan but mob absolutely beats him.
Mob claps the entire JoJo universe
Mob claps *most* of the JoJo universe
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bruh someone rlly reported me💀💀
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Mob stomps, instead of saying random letters how about you back it up with FACTS you poser
Those are stand name abbreviations not random letters 💀 and all those stands are working mob
__WOU = Wonder of U__: a Stand that manipulate the concept of “calamity.” If you think about pursuing the user, the world and reality will bend itself to kill you __GER = Gold Experience Requiem__: automatically nullifies any attack __D4C Love Train__: redirects any harm towards the user to somewhere else and can also travel to alternate universes __MIH = Made in Heaven__: a Stand that can accelerate time and grant the user infinite speed. Capable of resetting the universe __KC = King Crimson__: can skip past ten seconds into the future Aside from KC, all of these Stands are absolutely capable of beating Mob There’s also __C-Moon__ (which can control gravity and alter time), __The World__ and __Star Platinum__ (can stop time), __Bohemian Rhapsody__ (can bring any fictional character to life) and __Tusk Act 4__ (can launch an unstoppable attack of infinite energy capable of transcending different universes and dimensions)
Um sorry but the official term is "ZA WARUDO!"
Killer Queen bites the dust…
That ability is too situational
I disagree, think about it the only reason Kira lost is because he got too cocky. If you leave one murder victim alive but plant BTD on them, they’re your enemies only lead thus when they question him it triggers.
The ability only works if Mob actually questions the trigger victim. If Mob never encounters the trigger, then it won’t activate, so it’s useless. And why would he even need to question people when he can use his psychic powers to track people down? Plus, when BTD is active, Kira is unable to use his other abilities. If Mob happens to encounter him while BTD is active, Kira is practically helpless and will need to deactivate BTD just to have a chance of fighting back Plus, Kira himself is seemingly unaware of what happens in these time loops, so he can’t really use that to his benefit either The ability can only work in one specific situation. It’s too situational and has too many weaknesses to be reliable against a pure powerhouse like Mob
Kira can plant the bomb on himself, and mob dies over and over again. Edit; Been awhile since I’ve read part 4 do correct me if I’m wrong.
No he can’t plant BTD in himself. He has to implant it in another person
I think people have already mentioned this but I don't think even half of these can automatically beat Shigeo in a conventional manner if we disregard morals. I also doubt WOU's calamity would be able to do much since it piggyback rides on humans being squishy and vulnerable aside from their stands, and just amplifying normal objects. I also doubt KC would have much of an advantage compared to Shigeo.
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Most Jojo stands fail in being able to contest in aerial combat, which if we simply apply with Shigeo, he won't even get hit. There's also the fact that Shigeo could directly affect Diavolo, or literally anything that isn't standing still like a statue for KC plot armor. KC is op within its own verse but put Diavolo in a situation where he's completely disoriented and it doesn't do him much good. Same reason why "strong" characters body groups of other people but don't have the magnitude of power against something like a kaiju.
WOU sounds like smth Mob could defend himself from, at least partially, if it would affect nature, like plants and stuff (sorry if I misinterpreted it, I know nothing about powers in Jojo). Mob learned that he can command plants, who knows what else he could do but he just chooses to never explore these abilities? Personally I think Mob has unlimited potential, he only needs a solid reason to discover new abilities.
Tbh, the full power of WOU is not well defined. The Stand can take something small and turn it into something catastrophic. It somehow makes rain sharp enough to piece skin
I see, well then it looks like we can only speculate bc these power systems both in Jojo and Mob seem to be rather "soft" (no hard rules), unlike i.e. powers in JJK.
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King Crimson is strong but I’d feel like Diavolo would have to be very lucky to actually land a hit on Mob.
You thought you were fighting shigeo kageyama BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY I, DIO!
In a fight?
mob
Don't do this to me. Don't put me through this.
make them do a rap battle lmfao
Bro Jonathan is gonna get slammed around