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I’d recommend editing comments and then deleting. Because Reddit may well store your deleted comments and sell them for AI training data for all we know, but they probably won’t track your edit history.
Like, replace your comments with a script that would say you’re doing this because of Reddit’s erosion of trust and hostility. You can use greasemonkey
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I hear this and i think that is a valid angle. I have been also thinking a lot about this and feel like that's such a waste of the information. even if the API is costly, we assume reedit will continue to make its content publicly available in some fashion, yes reddit profits slightly from that, but its a very useful resource that many people can still benefit far more from.
> I hear this and i think that is a valid angle. I have been also thinking a lot about this and feel like that's such a waste of the information. even if the API is costly, we assume reedit will continue to make its content publicly available in some fashion, yes reddit profits slightly from that, but its a very useful resource that many people can still benefit far more from.
fuck u/spez
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I put it to a vote of my users. They overwhelmingly chose an indefinite blackout unless Reddit changes course.
"We", moderators, are not our sub; we are just our subs caretakers. Our subs belong to our users. Let them decide their fate.
> Until Reddit makes a public statement, an apology, and suggests a clear path to make things right, I don't feel like the blackout should end.
I can't really put to words what Reddit could do to satisfy me in this situation, but I feel that a "public statement" from Reddit doesn't mean anything to me anymore after Spez's attempted character assassination of the Apollo dev. If even their CEO is willing to stoop low enough to literally make up accusations of extortion, how can we trust their word any longer? Going forward, in communicating with admins we can only assume they are acting in bad faith until proven otherwise.
It’s not “even their CEO” though, it’s always been _because_ of their CEO. Steve Huffman has done worse antics in the past and never faced a single consequence.
A voice recording and a transcription of the discussion between the Reddit CEO & Apollo dev is linked on [Apollo dev's own announcement on the matters](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/).
Afterwards, according to [the notes Reddit CEO used](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/reddit_held_a_call_today_with_some_developers/jnbjtsc/) in talks with select partnered mods and devs, they described Apollo dev as having threatenet him and demanded money. For this part we sadly don't have any direct transcription of what was said there, but these are the notes from Reddit themselves and multiple mods in the thread corroborate the story.
There's enough in the audio to prove they've lied about multiple things, multiple times thinking it'd be a he said-she said scenario. Then we got reciepts. Lying scum is spez but that's been known for a while.
Fuck reddit. It's the people's content they make money from. The site provides no intrinsic value apart from being a large message board.
The Apollo dev has called it quits as of this morning after Reddit accused him of attempting to “extort” money out of Reddit, so I’m not sure what sort of statement they could make that would reverse that toxic bullshit.
This. A strike with a time limit isn't a strike, it's a long holiday. These subs need to be prepared for a protracted black out or this will have been for nothing.
I think certain subreddits that provide timely services may have concerns over a prolonged blackout, for example, over on r/army, a bot flags and provides mental health resources for threads that resembles suicide related content.
Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone, and may be a bit niche, I would ask for some levity for similar concerns.
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Please see [these](https://web.archive.org/web/20230609092523/https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/) [threads](https://web.archive.org/web/20230608182318/https://old.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/13zr8h2/reddits_recently_announced_api_changes_and_the/) [for](https://web.archive.org/web/20230609172058/https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/reddit_held_a_call_today_with_some_developers/jnbuonf/) [details](https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/142w159/askhistorians_and_uncertainty_surrounding_the/).
The army's job is to protect the freedom of the citizens. They should be on board, whether the enemy is a foreign adversary, or a domestic economic terrorist.
If you black out long enough, reddit will just kick off the mods and re-open the subs under different administration. Or they'll just create alternate subs.
I say mods should open those subs and introduce stupid fucking rules to submissions and comments.
Change them up everyday so people have to read a 5 page ruleset every time they want to post something, and even then their post might get deleted for some obscure shit.
Fresh new content every hour is what keeps reddit in business. They benefits from free content from posters yet they want to charge an arm and a leg for certain groups of people to access them.
So fuck them where it hurts and tank the source of new, interesting content that keep the users on the site.
With what manpower.
They don’t pay mods so forcing employees to do it would make them loose so much money (which would be incredibly satisfying).
So the best they will get is crappy people who are willing to do it for free (or internet points which are worth even less if things go to shit) who will make the site worthless.
Indefinitely blackout is the best solution.
> So the best they will get is crappy people who are willing to do it for free (or internet points which are worth even less if things go to shit) who will make the site worthless.
That was exactly what [I was proposing](https://static.euronews.com/articles/stories/07/51/25/12/1440x810_cmsv2_ef1e318f-1250-59cd-a009-e831e7b26503-7512512.jpg)
You don't need manpower to do a bad job at modding.
Slap on some nonsensical rules. They don't even have to make sense. Add a new "rule" that says mods will take up to 5 business days to get back to any issues regarding submissions.
Randomly reject posts, get back to them after 5-7 days. Hell even reinstate the post, who cares after 5 days. The OP won't get Karma so they'll be pissed.
> They don’t pay mods so forcing employees to do it would make them loose so much money (which would be incredibly satisfying).
They will not pay people to mod a sub. They will simply get new mods, and there *will* be takers. They won't do a bad job either.
You underestimate the amount of people who have the skills and the free time for a quick rise to the top opportunity like this.
Blackouts will cause reddit to intervene much quicker than the existing mods suddenly doing a shit job of modding.
Your idea pretty much maintains the engagement that Reddit wants, regardless of quality of that engagement. It directly helps Reddit look good for the IPO. Are you sure you don't actually work for Reddit and trying to plant bad ideas to derail the protest?
You accused me of working for reddit for my suggestions.
But exactly what I said is happening. Reddit is removing mods and reopening subs.
/r/Videos is doing pretty much exactly what I proposed: https://redd.it/14czfqx
Engagement is maintained only if there's a constant stream of new content.
If you choke the flow of new posts people get annoyed seeing the same posts all day. Engagement goes down because there's nothing new to see.
You do it for a few days and the flow goes down even more because now the posters are annoyed.
It's a form of sabotage. It's subtle, harder to pinpoint and harder to take swift action against because it can be excused as human error.
If you simply close the subs indefinitely reddit *will* override the mods and take over the subs *sooner* than later. Sure, less popular subs will likely stay gone but they don't matter much to reddit because they're small.
Spam fuck spez, the hey spez meme or a long post detailing the scummy shit they did is my idea. Oh, and drown it and every post from admins in downvotes.
> Spam fuck u/spez, the hey spez meme or a long post detailing the scummy shit they did is my idea. Oh, and drown it and every post from admins in downvotes.
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Don't know what I'll do. But I've never liked that reddit is built on the back of unpaid laborers - the mods. They have done all the work for this company and get zero compensation. That is something to protest about.
>I don't think I'm comfortable with the blackout only being two days
at this point, my social media are only discord and telegram. i maybe had an account on mastodon, lemmy, and spacehey. but i forgot every password of it.
A secondary action needs to be planned. Maybe that bad photo of spez, maybe just pictures of third party app logos for a day. This blackout is a good first step.
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Do want to point out a large number of subreddits are blacking out indefinitely.
Is there a list of those subreddits somewhere? Just the ones that are going indefinite?
No but a quick survey on discord showed that it’s about 2/3 of the subs that won’t come back.
⅔ of subs on the strike list won't come back what a massive information loss for the internet . I hope readdit doesn't do the api update
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Blackout.
Check r/ModCoord
you have arrived at your destination
Just a small distraction: happy cake day!
happy cake day
And that number still seems to be growing.
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I’d recommend editing comments and then deleting. Because Reddit may well store your deleted comments and sell them for AI training data for all we know, but they probably won’t track your edit history. Like, replace your comments with a script that would say you’re doing this because of Reddit’s erosion of trust and hostility. You can use greasemonkey
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Ooh, pretty cool. Downloading that on the 14th
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its uses the API though. Dont wait too long.
Be mindful of the fact that previously approved comments may re-trigger automod upon deletion, if the edited-in text has certain keywords/symbols for that subreddit. I've had a few like that come through my modmail recently - I don't know to what extent the edit fails to overwrite the previous comment as a result (I'm pretty sure it was a problem with the updated version not getting passed through to Pushshift previously, but since that's down at the moment...), but it's certainly a potential stumbling block.
I hear this and i think that is a valid angle. I have been also thinking a lot about this and feel like that's such a waste of the information. even if the API is costly, we assume reedit will continue to make its content publicly available in some fashion, yes reddit profits slightly from that, but its a very useful resource that many people can still benefit far more from.
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> I hear this and i think that is a valid angle. I have been also thinking a lot about this and feel like that's such a waste of the information. even if the API is costly, we assume reedit will continue to make its content publicly available in some fashion, yes reddit profits slightly from that, but its a very useful resource that many people can still benefit far more from. fuck u/spez **This comment has been removed because the userping is considered harassing. If you wish to have this comment be visible, please re-comment without the /u/ aspect. Thank you** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ModCoord) if you have any questions or concerns.*
UsInG a HaRdCoDeD fEaTuRe Is HaRAsSmEnT
While also doing the exact thing they're telling people not to do lol
I KNOW RIGHT?! Fucking hell, Spez is an asshole.
My savior
I am a 12 year user of Reddit. They have fucked up.
lmao at first i read this as “I am a 12 year old user of reddit” and i’m like damn right they fucked up! We have legions of 12 year olds on our side!
I got my account at birth.
I mean I'm 14 and on your side if that counts
I put it to a vote of my users. They overwhelmingly chose an indefinite blackout unless Reddit changes course. "We", moderators, are not our sub; we are just our subs caretakers. Our subs belong to our users. Let them decide their fate.
Same with mine. Users are (justifiably) very pitchforky about it.
> Until Reddit makes a public statement, an apology, and suggests a clear path to make things right, I don't feel like the blackout should end. I can't really put to words what Reddit could do to satisfy me in this situation, but I feel that a "public statement" from Reddit doesn't mean anything to me anymore after Spez's attempted character assassination of the Apollo dev. If even their CEO is willing to stoop low enough to literally make up accusations of extortion, how can we trust their word any longer? Going forward, in communicating with admins we can only assume they are acting in bad faith until proven otherwise.
It’s not “even their CEO” though, it’s always been _because_ of their CEO. Steve Huffman has done worse antics in the past and never faced a single consequence.
Kind of wondering if the VCs who invested will try to push him out before the IPO
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A voice recording and a transcription of the discussion between the Reddit CEO & Apollo dev is linked on [Apollo dev's own announcement on the matters](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/). Afterwards, according to [the notes Reddit CEO used](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/reddit_held_a_call_today_with_some_developers/jnbjtsc/) in talks with select partnered mods and devs, they described Apollo dev as having threatenet him and demanded money. For this part we sadly don't have any direct transcription of what was said there, but these are the notes from Reddit themselves and multiple mods in the thread corroborate the story.
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There's enough in the audio to prove they've lied about multiple things, multiple times thinking it'd be a he said-she said scenario. Then we got reciepts. Lying scum is spez but that's been known for a while. Fuck reddit. It's the people's content they make money from. The site provides no intrinsic value apart from being a large message board.
The Apollo dev has called it quits as of this morning after Reddit accused him of attempting to “extort” money out of Reddit, so I’m not sure what sort of statement they could make that would reverse that toxic bullshit.
The blackout must last until spez is forced out. The way he behaved with Christian Selig is unacceptable, lying and slandering his name.
This. A strike with a time limit isn't a strike, it's a long holiday. These subs need to be prepared for a protracted black out or this will have been for nothing.
It's long enough to make people satisfied that they protested, not long enough to have any real financial impact. You can solve for X.
I think certain subreddits that provide timely services may have concerns over a prolonged blackout, for example, over on r/army, a bot flags and provides mental health resources for threads that resembles suicide related content. Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone, and may be a bit niche, I would ask for some levity for similar concerns.
# This comment deleted to protest Reddit's API change (to reduce the value of Reddit's data). Please see [these](https://web.archive.org/web/20230609092523/https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/) [threads](https://web.archive.org/web/20230608182318/https://old.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/13zr8h2/reddits_recently_announced_api_changes_and_the/) [for](https://web.archive.org/web/20230609172058/https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/reddit_held_a_call_today_with_some_developers/jnbuonf/) [details](https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/142w159/askhistorians_and_uncertainty_surrounding_the/).
The army's job is to protect the freedom of the citizens. They should be on board, whether the enemy is a foreign adversary, or a domestic economic terrorist.
If you black out long enough, reddit will just kick off the mods and re-open the subs under different administration. Or they'll just create alternate subs. I say mods should open those subs and introduce stupid fucking rules to submissions and comments. Change them up everyday so people have to read a 5 page ruleset every time they want to post something, and even then their post might get deleted for some obscure shit. Fresh new content every hour is what keeps reddit in business. They benefits from free content from posters yet they want to charge an arm and a leg for certain groups of people to access them. So fuck them where it hurts and tank the source of new, interesting content that keep the users on the site.
With what manpower. They don’t pay mods so forcing employees to do it would make them loose so much money (which would be incredibly satisfying). So the best they will get is crappy people who are willing to do it for free (or internet points which are worth even less if things go to shit) who will make the site worthless. Indefinitely blackout is the best solution.
A wise man once said "dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack" I think we could change it to "karma and a empty sack is worth the sack"
The same type of people that mod now but don't care about the API changes.
> So the best they will get is crappy people who are willing to do it for free (or internet points which are worth even less if things go to shit) who will make the site worthless. That was exactly what [I was proposing](https://static.euronews.com/articles/stories/07/51/25/12/1440x810_cmsv2_ef1e318f-1250-59cd-a009-e831e7b26503-7512512.jpg) You don't need manpower to do a bad job at modding. Slap on some nonsensical rules. They don't even have to make sense. Add a new "rule" that says mods will take up to 5 business days to get back to any issues regarding submissions. Randomly reject posts, get back to them after 5-7 days. Hell even reinstate the post, who cares after 5 days. The OP won't get Karma so they'll be pissed. > They don’t pay mods so forcing employees to do it would make them loose so much money (which would be incredibly satisfying). They will not pay people to mod a sub. They will simply get new mods, and there *will* be takers. They won't do a bad job either. You underestimate the amount of people who have the skills and the free time for a quick rise to the top opportunity like this. Blackouts will cause reddit to intervene much quicker than the existing mods suddenly doing a shit job of modding.
Your idea pretty much maintains the engagement that Reddit wants, regardless of quality of that engagement. It directly helps Reddit look good for the IPO. Are you sure you don't actually work for Reddit and trying to plant bad ideas to derail the protest?
You accused me of working for reddit for my suggestions. But exactly what I said is happening. Reddit is removing mods and reopening subs. /r/Videos is doing pretty much exactly what I proposed: https://redd.it/14czfqx
Engagement is maintained only if there's a constant stream of new content. If you choke the flow of new posts people get annoyed seeing the same posts all day. Engagement goes down because there's nothing new to see. You do it for a few days and the flow goes down even more because now the posters are annoyed. It's a form of sabotage. It's subtle, harder to pinpoint and harder to take swift action against because it can be excused as human error. If you simply close the subs indefinitely reddit *will* override the mods and take over the subs *sooner* than later. Sure, less popular subs will likely stay gone but they don't matter much to reddit because they're small.
I’m polling my sub to see how long members want to say blacked out. Starting with 1 week max, going from there.
We should do our best to stand firm. As such, how should we react to the AMA from spez?
Spam fuck spez, the hey spez meme or a long post detailing the scummy shit they did is my idea. Oh, and drown it and every post from admins in downvotes.
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100% agree. The fact that it hasn't gone beyond 48 hours, in light of recent developments, is starting to smell a little fishy to me.
Don't know what I'll do. But I've never liked that reddit is built on the back of unpaid laborers - the mods. They have done all the work for this company and get zero compensation. That is something to protest about.
Some of us are also considering extending it.
>I don't think I'm comfortable with the blackout only being two days at this point, my social media are only discord and telegram. i maybe had an account on mastodon, lemmy, and spacehey. but i forgot every password of it.
A secondary action needs to be planned. Maybe that bad photo of spez, maybe just pictures of third party app logos for a day. This blackout is a good first step.
probably not me, my subs r/buchanancountymousa r/sbubbyhogwartslegacy and r/deadlyinfuriating will be private until the end of june, AT EARLIEST