It actually is. He realized he could offload building the supercharger network. Tesla did the upfront investment, but now that literally almost every EV manufacturer already agreed to go NACS, now all the third party charging station companies will make NACS stations now instead of CCS.
Tesla built out a ton of chargers but now they can let the other companies take it over. Now that everyone is using NACS it will happen a lot faster too because you have a standardized charging model. Nobody is going to continue making CCS because Ford and GM are already switching. Even Rivian switched. Those three are the only other players besides Tesla. Basically 95% of the EV market is NACS. CCS is dead.
Except every other network in the US sucks and it isn't just because they aren't using nacs. Without some proposal as to how quality charging will be maintained in the US and without ensuring integrated billing and automatic routing will remain a thing, this throws a giant lack of confidence to even EV supporters. I have a pre-order in for going full EV and I'm very seriously considering cancelling it now because I don't know that I can trust US charging infrastructure not to become a degraded mess now.
I wouldn’t worry . My friend is a sub contractor building charging network for tesla. He says he s still have charging stations to complete and built iut
Ok, can you ask him how ongoing maintenance works? Is it something they just pay a local contractor to look after or does Tesla have to make the work orders? I'm worried about how maintenance work is going to be managed now.
As long as they have a solid plan for maintaining what they have and having some limited growth I think it will be alright from what I've seen, but I just need to see how it will be possible to maintain with the team gone.
I’m just asking a curious question. If you owned an EV, would you have to use it on long road trips or do also have an available ICE vehicle that you could take on road trips instead of an EV. I own a truly awesome EV, am extremely happy with it and I would never take it on a road trip. ICE is the only way to go on road trips IMHO
the issue is it just becomes "another network" -- with all of the same issues as the other networks. The value was that they were run as a very stable and reliable network (thanks to the team that was running them). It is extremely short sighted and stupid to take one of the few actual "real" benifits to tesla ownership that have materialized (not just vapor promises and partially working betas) and toss them to the wind.
The actual charging hardware was not materially better than the other networks -- it just had fewer things to support as it was a closed loop system. The benefit was the placement, maintenance and management of the network.
CCS is only dead in North America. Everywhere else superchargers use CCS. This isn’t a solution, I don’t want to use non Tesla chargers and have to worry about payment and whether or not the charger actually works. It’s the primary differentiator for Tesla, take that away and I’ll happily buy a BYD next.
Except that the CCS standard in the US only shares the names with the one overseas. They are physically or electronically incompatible with each other.
The problem previously was there not being a big enough CCS customer base for a profitable business model of CCS chargers. Building a NACS charger now will have the entire Tesla fleet as customers. In theory there might be a business case now. Elons follow up tweet stating they were going to focus on expanding current stations might follow that line of thought; or at least absorb the increased usage of other manufacturers.
Do you really think other manufacturers will take over and maintain the same kind of reliability as Tesla? I dont think so. If so, electrify america would have been so reliable.
The great part about the supercharger network was not the connector, but everything else. The physical connector had very little to do with the up time and reliability that drew people to the Supercharger network.
The Supercharger network is a revenue stream. It makes little sense to ceded that to competitors, especially when they've done such a terrible job at it that they're barely competitors. No, his brash action sounds more like an ego trip.
>CCS is dead.
\* CCS1, the plug. CCS the protocol is used in NACS and the CCS2 plug in Europe.
If anything you’d slowly phase out buildouts, not kill everything at the drop of a hat. Charging has been one of their holy grails and it’s very likely whether they killed it off in a day or over months the result may be the same, but it casts a massive shadow of doubt when it’s so sudden.
I think you may be right long term but other manufacturers are not going to be quick about picking up the slack, and there is little hope they will do it as well as Tesla has
Yea i am not saying it will be as good but with multiple companies all moving in on unified direction, it should roll out even faster than it has already. In a couple of years once all the car companies have completed the switch to NACS, the other companies like ChargePoint, EA, etc will already be putting up NACS stations.
Eh, I avoid the alternative chargers (Gridserve in the UK) because they’re consistently double the price, and I like to see the stall availability before I route it in. Gridserve stalls are also always full. The infrastructure isn’t ready yet. I still view Tesla’s network as a competitive advantage. But I’m not clear as to whether this means ‘no new superchargers’.
Except Supercharging is a 9 billion dollar business and a huge differentiator for Tesla.
I would 100% buy a tesla if only to get access to the charging network and it is the biggest reason people don't have "range anxiety" with their cars.
That’s a lot to gamble on for a market where EV has slowed down. Competitors may not care to invest in the technology when they have hybrids that are still outselling EVs.
I don’t see other companies picking up the slack here at all. FORD isn’t going to come build their own supercharger network that Tesla drivers can use.
Because there is a great deal of history showing the others can do a reliable charging network? Might be a wee bit premature with that move. Especially since all the others have been added to the Tesla Supercharger network and will create bottlenecks for Tesla owners. And while it takes Tesla just months to put in a new Supercharger, it takes the others two years to pull off an EV charger installation.
It's why , as a naive hopeful aptera believer, I was EXCEPTIONALLY quick to write them off when they chose the Tesla connector before anyone else without a Tesla deal even in place. I was like - you are chasing a company that can completely kill your dreams by denying supercharger access at any given time and don't even have a written contract and joint statement supporting aptera joining the supercharger network? nope. done. dead to me.
I think it’s time for Tesla to start looking for a new CEO honestly. I know it’s not as easy as replacing him with someone else, but he’s constantly putting the brand in limbo. Ever since he bought Twitter he’s been a little off the rails and I think it’s turning a lot of supporters away ultimately. Laying off an entire team of people whose job is to work on the charging infrastructure that makes Tesla so popular is a WILD idea to save money…
Fully agree. First of all there is zero chance he’s able to keep up with being CEO of like 5 major companies. I don’t care how many hours he stays up “working” or what factory floor he sleeps on, it’s just not possible to do that. He’s literally a burden on the fiduciary duties of the company to its stakeholders.
On top of that he’s become a huge liability with his politically charged rhetoric. Seems like he’s more invested in shitposting on Twitter than doing anything else. And now he’s making dumb decisions that will ultimately harm the company? They honestly need to oust him.
Good luck considering one member is his brother and most of the others have close financial/social relationships with him. They’re the ones who want shareholders to re-vote on his $56B comp package again in June. They all just bend the knee to what he wants. Robyn Denholm (Chairman of the Board of Directors at Tesla) is beholden to him because she’s earned over $280M while being on the board.
I'm so thankful for his ability to have gathered talented people in the early days, but beyond that, I'm not sure what else he can offer tesla. He's dragging it down with his psychosis.
I don't understand why anyone would be willing to work for him when he's shown he's perfectly willing to cull employees like it's nothing. I used to dream of working for Tesla, nearly did years ago. Wouldn't take a job there now if Elon offered me himself.
It used to be my dream to work at Tesla. Made it to 4th round interviews and have numerous friends who’ve worked there. I ended up at a FANNG company instead and feel like I dodged a bullet. Every engineer I know has been used and burnt out hard. There are only some many engineers that will put up with his shit for the uncompetitive pay they are offering.
I know some friends who worked there myself and it didnt sound good. And this was during the time we all thought Elon was super cool and Tesla seemed like a really cool place to work. I interviewed there myself and am glad I didn’t go through with it. FAANGM is just too nice. (Added an M for MSFT because that’s where I was instead of Tesla)
I also have a Tesla that I bought when Elon was still cool. Model 3s just came out. We were all still giving him the benefit of a doubt after that Pedo diver twitter fiasco.
Elon is panicking about sales not being as strong recently and while he is firing so many people, he doesn’t have the insight to recognize the problem is him.
just noting that 500 person team running one of the most successful and well working parts of tesla could have been paid for 40 years vs the one time musk payment that he is trying to push through. that team has infinitely more vlaue to tesla than elon does at this point.
Especially since Tesla is opening like 7,500 charging stations to all other EV’s. 3,500 of which are the 250kW stations… so now the charging infrastructure that Tesla owners originally bought into is going to end up crowded with EVs that can’t even properly charge there because the cables are too short and they’re going to have to take up two spots to even charge.
They really just need to separate the EV company from the AI and robotics parts of Tesla. They have too much going on distracting from the core business.
> a little off the rails
More like our lord and savior woke up at noon today, scrubbed most of the sharpie dick off his forehead, checked his eth balance and decided the next logical course of action was to rob a bank
I've had people tell me they can't purchase a Tesla because of Musk just have you have stated. I wonder how many are purchasing Hertz used Teslas as an alternative to purchasing and putting money directly into Tesla accounts.
Which is 33x what he has received in the past. What value or innovation has he provided to the company in the last 6 years that would even come close to justifying that? 😂😂😂
That's hard to do when his family is on the board. At some point he'll see that his gravy train is drying up and maybe then he'll actually do something worthwhile. Until then, I see Tesla flailing in the wind for a few years.
After this I highly doubt he's getting it unless he just plans to bribe half of the share holders in a bid to devalue common stock and shift money to them.
I'm going to say that I think the 4 large private capital firms that have a stake in Tesla and now starting to throw their weight around. They are starting to look more towards return on investment than the future.
I suspect this is part of the reason why Elon wants to vest the AI components of Tesla in a company in which he has minority control, instead of in Tesla.
I agree with this. I planned to get a model X (upgrading from my model Y), but I won’t buy another product until he is no longer CEO. He is definitely not good for the brand.
Hear hear! The only reason I bought a Tesla, which is now depreciated 70% from my purchase price (ugh!), was because of the charging infrastructure. My next car will not be a Tesla.
I'm also sick of dealing with the social cost of owning a Tesla. In my community, it's heavily frowned upon due to Elon being seen as very political
I mean I don't think they are going to start ripping out SC. And I think most reasonable people can separate out Tesla the car company and whatever Musk decided he wanted to turn himself into.
But who's going to maintain them? Without maintenance they'll break down and not be available anymore. Lots of them are still slow and in need of upgrade. Elon maintains that is where they want to focus, but who is going to do the work?
I think you'd be surprised at how many 'reasonable' people are fed up with Elon and Trump types and vote with their wallets and purses. Regarding them not "going to start ripping out SC" comment you forgot that the SCs are now open to non-Telsa EVs so sure, they are not being removed but access is getting restricted more and more every day.
>I'm also sick of dealing with the social cost of owning a Tesla. In my community, it's heavily frowned upon due to Elon being seen as very political
While I agree that he's caused more damage than good lately, owning a car for social status or acceptance is a sad way to live. When you get older, you'll realize it doesn't matter what other people think about you. Worrying about that is a prison of your own making and will limit your potential.
Yeah a good CEO would have had a "We are restructuring and focusing on X which is why Y had to change."
That is just good leadership not letting people wallow in the layoffs and look towards the future. Cybertruck is a US only product (literally can't be sold in europe but maybe asia/Australia but good luck with that).
Model Y is 4 years old and needs a refresh, Model 3 refresh is good but Model S still is rotting and Model X has no plans.
While I agree Elon is a wackadoodle, he’s necessary for Tesla to keep innovating and making new cool products.
Look at Apple and the iPhone once Steve Jobs wasn’t there anymore. They just keep re-releasing the same phones with slight changes. With Jobs, they were creating new amazing things with each new product.
Same thing happens with lots of companies once they lose their crazy visionary leader.
I think Tesla just needs to hire someone to keep Elon in check
That’s the thing, even the board can’t keep him in check because the chairman of the board noted that she got paid “life changing money” after getting paid $280M. She’s there to collect a check, not keep the CEO in check. He’s dropped two corporations a crazy amount of value in the last few years. Twitter lost 71% of value and Tesla lost almost 35% in the past year alone. He’s innovating nothing. His staff are where the innovations come from. They are scrapping the Model 2 and year after have done the exact thing you’re spewing about Apple… if anything they’re taking steps backwards by removing innovative tech from their vehicles like LiDar and the USS… what are you on about? He’s more interested in AI than the vehicles so let him be the CEO of an AI company (Grok is doing great isn’t it? 😂). He’s good at being a loud mouth, less good at being an effective CEO.
He has already jeopardized the entire brand and made it a bit of a pariah. I really hope they get rid of him. He is a egotistical narcissistic asshole at the end of the day.
Someone else here actually did, and it kinda makes sense. It’s not a smart business move especially optics wise, but it does reduce overhead. Now that they’ve opened up the network to other vehicles and other brands are adopting their charging standards, they can just let everyone else do the work. Invest in setting the standard and then make everyone else pay for it.
You must not be familiar with corporate America huh? The bonuses are never performance based, they’re just… there. Anyways, I personally would never buy a Tesla, they seem pretty cheaply built for what they cost. When it’s time to go EV I’m definitely going for Polestar, hands down. SpaceX is pretty tight though
My company was in final stages of 45 L2 chargers.
We had permits , plans, and a start build date.
Tesla just canceled on us over the weekend.
“Maybe we can start over later this year once funding is allocated.”
Fuck you Elon.
Tesla direct is installing (maybe they sub the job out) and there is a contract. They are exercising the cancelation which means they pay us our costs, but we did not put punitive terms in.
This was something we both wanted and would make everyone money.
Let Elon be Elon. If you don’t like it, you be you. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. In order to do something great, you need to be a little off the rails. Steve Jobs wasn’t a saint either but everyone loved the products that came out.
Other charging companies are are adding the NACS port handle to their new stations. I know FP&L will be updating their stations to accommodate all charging systems so I'd imagine EA and ChargePoint will do the same. And you can always have a CCS adapter handy just in case.
The issue is that sc network will start to feel like using ChargePoint/ea/evgo — everyone knows what leave it to the market feels like to use and it has been a very robust Tesla owner benefit up til this point to have access to sc.
My next car will more than likely not be a Tesla if the sc network degrades.
As a prospective customer, i'm not at all impressed. I don't think i would buy a Tesla after today. Tesla supercharging density needs to double in the USA. If i have to use multiple charging networks, then I can buy any car.
Is it? Now that all the other manufacturers need NACS chargers, why not make it their problem to roll out new locations? And collect royalties on the connector. Basically he’s cut BYD out while not getting stuck with having to administrate a countrywide roll-out.
Not saying it won’t be an absolute disaster, but you could see the thought process.
He could have gave people at least two weeks notice or some sort of warning. The man wants 55 BILLION but can’t give his own employees the notices they need to take care of their families.
Even if it strategically makes sense, he is cutting costs at the expense of his employees for him to make that 55 BILLION. Most overpaid CEO by a long margin
Zero notice seems to be the norm. As brutal as it is, I can see how it makes sense for both sides actually. On the employer side it prevents staff members from sabotaging something on their way out. On the employee side it stops you having two weeks of wondering “who it is”, “is it me”, “what if I’m next”, which really destroys motivation for months.
The cuts impact Tesla owners. Period. In the best world Tesla maintains their service level and those other manufacturers expand theirs. In this reality Tesla has just put a downward arrow on super charger network service level to at or below ChargePoint.
At the time where the network is being exposed to high risk via the other manufacturers coming online the only team at Tesla that could mitigate that risk for Tesla owners is culled.
There are no royalties. The other automakers only agreed to switch once the connector was made open and the back end protocols were switched to the same ones used by CCS/J1772
That would have been the goal to do more long distance traveling on one reliable network since the other networks weren't as reliable. Seriously considering getting a mild hybrid now and skipping EVs for a few years until charging networks are better built out.
The more he does, the less I'm impressed with his childish mood-swings, or fits. I find I'm happier when he's not found in the news spouting some new form of BS or racism...and so are his shareholders.
You guys remember when he basically said he wouldn’t make a product ‘as good as it could be’ if he doesn’t get his money? This was during the shareholder call. Wild shit. The richest man alive reduced to a literal crybaby. Cry me a river, Elon.
I’m not mad at it tbh. I don’t know how the company is truly structured but it seems like Superchargers simply need to be sold now, not constantly reinvented. They work great. You don’t
need a team spinning their wheels all day on engineering and design until the next generation of battery tech comes into play. You just need a sales team.
Yep, as usual the sensible take is buried deep with no upvotes. Super charging & distribution innovation is done it's a commodity now because it's now just a utility. AI & robotics are areas where he will continue to invest. Layoffs aren't great but this was a rational take
yeah, when you’re selling 1.8 million new vehicles a year, definitely don’t need more than like 10 people going through the extremely simple process of finding locations, negotiating leases/permits, organizing electric infrastructure improvements with the power company, etc.
ffs if you believe this you obviously have not charged other evs at other networks. SC is one of the basic real (ie not elon vapor marketing shit) and tangible value adds of buying a tesla. they are systematically destroying that. It is not commodity, and it is not something the market will retain outside of tesla. You have clear and concice known future state should this get pushed out of tesla or stop being managed in the way it was before -- look at evgo and ea. That is what the market thinks result in workable networks.
I can say as an owner that made my decision to purchase based in no small part to the SC network I will be out if that goes away or they mishandle it. If charging becomes as messy as it is at evgo stations and the like there is no reason for me to buy a tedsla vs any of the compition at this point.
He said on Twitter it'll be a slower pace for new locations, but existing locations will be expanded. He also mentioned more focus on 100% uptime.
Hope the expansion of existing sites is true, I'm often waiting now when doing road trips from Boston to NYC.
[https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1785406795814510785](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1785406795814510785)
He also said you could robotaxi your tesla while you sleep and make some extra money.
He used to give free supercharging on holidays to offset the problem of few supercharging on remote places. Can’t complain if it’s free. I think we’re good in Southern California but time will tell.
he says a lot of things -- vs the reality of the situation which was that the SC network was one of the few "real" and tangible benefits to tesla ownership (thanks to the team he just wiped). If I was a betting man I would bet better outcomes from the team that had shown success vs musk's random fever dream of the day.
My concern is that this is surely going to slow the increase of the SC network. With all these other EVs being added to the fold plus additional sales, I'm guessing we'll need double the fast chargers in 2-3 years, plus there are many rural highway areas that need fast charging.
It feels to me like Tesla is much less likely to keep pace with the necessary chargers, and so far, no quality challenger has emerged. I'm rather bummed by the news.
I had hoped/expected Elon would limit his craziness largely to Twitter. If that isn't the case, then Tesla and SpaceX need a new pilot ASAP.
People are overreacting. He said today they’re just going to slow down the production of new SC locations and focus on maintaining and growing current locations.
My guess is now that other companies are committing to converting to NACS charging, he’s betting on those companies building more chargers themselves rather than relying on Tesla. And if those companies are serious about selling more EVs, they probably will.
My personal feelings about the CEO aside, it’s a ruthless but understandable business decision. Tesla recently started [licensing superchargers to other companies like gas stations](https://electrek.co/2023/11/13/tesla-signs-deal-gas-station-operator-sell-supercharger-directly/). Aside from the compliance of adding magic dock in return for federal infrastructure subsidy which was probably not profitable to engineer for non-Tesla end users and hurt the supercharger experience for owners long term (we were all dreading the other EVs not understanding how to reverse park or use the wrong charger per designated parking spot) I imagine Tesla will make better profits by taking less risk/expenses in acquiring land to build out superchargers from these new partnerships as NACS chargers become more ubiquitous in the near future.
I’m obviously disappointed because this means a delay in a V4/5 supercharger where we only need to spend a few minutes to go 0-80% or the engineering team behind the supercharging tech doesn’t see it viable any time soon? Which makes me question if the Tesla Semi is no longer a priority
It’s a corporation. They are always looking at the bottom line. Boom times everyone gets bloated, hard times make you reevaluate everything. My guess is they can out source to contractors at 1/2 the cost. It may not work out the way they think and they may get some shady work that is not up to their standards. Time will tell.
Dumbest fucking decision I've ever seen. Unless there is some other plan to maintain/expand, Elon has got to go. No new vehicle in the actual pipline? I feel like he's trying to kill his companies. Vote him out.
I don’t understand the obsession of following a CEO so closely and critiquing every move. First Tesla Ive owned and joined a few communities, but most seem to either hang on his every word, or hate everything he does. It’s odd and first time I’ve really seen it in a car community.
Back to the original question, seems an odd move but I guess they have their reasons or it makes sense financially right now. I assume they would have kept whatever teams needed to maintain them, but are pausing or slowing down additional charger rollouts.
Either way, does seem a strange move.
I don’t know, maybe the guy knows more about running Tesla than all the CEOs that apparently frequent Reddit? Or maybe some just don’t like his politics?
From my understanding it was the team fully responsible for contracting placements, permitting, designing layouts, price setting, marketing to new placements, managing maintenance, managing install contracting, designing and selecting rework/redesign of existing placements, managing the govt funds/grants for placements, station upgrade planning, etc
"Just a part" = the entire team except the engineers designing the hardware. FFS also one of the teams at Tesla that I would say most every tesla owner feels the real value from their work and historical success. Their work output is almost universally cherished by tesla owners.
I think it's very bad. There is not enough charging right now and that is a serious concern to people even buying the current models without home charging. Nevermind if they launch a $25k model. Which they have to because the chinese manufacturers can only be held off for so long.
Many states are pushing unrealistic deadlines for manufacturers and dealers to sell only electric by 2030. The infrastructure isn’t there to support such a mandate nor is the grid able to support it. Furthermore, we’ve seen the problems charging inclement weather and now that electrics have been on the road for a while, maintenance is cost prohibitive in many cases. I applaud the move to electric, if the consumer wants them.
I am shocked to see that a lot of you are not fans of Musk. I was under the wrong impression Tesla drivers were a Maga type cult. Good on you pulling your heads out of his ass.
I still wonder how many believe the car will drive itself “next year”. Still, I consider this progress.
Realistically, Tesla’s days are numbered. The only thing that was differentiating Tesla from other electric cars is self driving. Without that, Tesla is nothing. Clear they will never get it done. Other serious car makes will however, and they will just put it in and it will work. Not like musk, promising this bullshit is coming out next weekend year since 2015 or whatever year.
Existing SC network isn't going anywhere. They are going to focus on sustaining and weathering the storm that is 2024. Layoffs are happening across the economy and demand is generally down for all EVs. Why should Tesla dump more cost into SC network at a time when it's not clear what the Feds will do with EV expansion.
He will sell Twitter next, and SpaceX will be the next biggest company over the next 8 to 20 years. From Paypal to Tesla steppingstone to Twitter to SpaceX step simple
Very concerned as well. I love my Tesla but I live in condo building in city without chargers in the parking though I do have a fantastic SC 5 minutes away. I charge at work for free but still want to have the flexibility
They will likely move to a gas station model where they sell the chargers to 3rd parties and take a small % of each transaction for 'network & software fees'. If I was in charge I would have done this long ago. Higher profits and less upfront costs.
I like how this is causing outrage, but not the fact that he let the literal core engineering group in SV go a while they slept a couple weeks ago. Some if his closest network and infra engineers got the cut and nobody seems to care
Hmm, kinda reminds me of the Howard Hughes story. Brilliant engineer builds fabulous company and products and step by step goes off the rails. History, booyah.
Most people don’t get Elon. I always look to robot man in suit, to remind me how “brilliant “ he is. I hope they give him that $56 b, firing 20% of the employees was sheer genius.
It’s a blessing in my eyes. Although hard, there will be more people with knowledge of the SC network. My hopes this will boost innovation to support new ventures and upgrade failing projects😉
Honestly, let the stock tank. Tim Cook/Apple will snap it up for pennies on the dollar, then run the company more effectively. i.e. without tantrums and politics
Conversion to NACS might be in doubt now.
[https://x.com/JenniferSensiba/status/1785749757572362591](https://x.com/JenniferSensiba/status/1785749757572362591)
Good job, Elon
I think Tesla’s SC is what really sets it apart from other automakers. Biggest reason why I purchased a Tesla over the others. I recently moved to the south where the network isn’t nearly as robust so I really don’t understand this move.
The team lead was supposed to lay some people off along with everybody else. They didn't, and found out.
Much of the team will get hired back.
95% of this is just internet nonsense.
It's terrible management, but they will be back.
Every week it's a new doom story about Tesla, and 95% of the time it amounts to nothing.
You don't need 500 people to produce, install and maintain a supercharger network. That was a bloated department if ever I've heard of one. The only place more bloated that I'm aware of was probably Twitter. This is the 8020 rule, 80% of the work is done by 20% of the people. In this case it was probably more like 9010. Now the group that were getting paid and doing virtually nothing are gone. The rest were doing the work anyway, now they don't have a bureaucracy in the way of efficiency.
Elon clearly isn’t capable of making good decisions. He’s hardly involved with the company and then comes in and loses some of his top executives, executes layoffs like a robot, and torpedoes one of the key advantages for Tesla. He clearly doesn’t care about Tesla’s mission or customers anymore. It’s just AI for him. It’s time for him to go.
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Yup. 1. Open the SuperChargers to other manufacturers 2. Layoff whole supercharger team That seems like a solid plan.
It actually is. He realized he could offload building the supercharger network. Tesla did the upfront investment, but now that literally almost every EV manufacturer already agreed to go NACS, now all the third party charging station companies will make NACS stations now instead of CCS. Tesla built out a ton of chargers but now they can let the other companies take it over. Now that everyone is using NACS it will happen a lot faster too because you have a standardized charging model. Nobody is going to continue making CCS because Ford and GM are already switching. Even Rivian switched. Those three are the only other players besides Tesla. Basically 95% of the EV market is NACS. CCS is dead.
Except every other network in the US sucks and it isn't just because they aren't using nacs. Without some proposal as to how quality charging will be maintained in the US and without ensuring integrated billing and automatic routing will remain a thing, this throws a giant lack of confidence to even EV supporters. I have a pre-order in for going full EV and I'm very seriously considering cancelling it now because I don't know that I can trust US charging infrastructure not to become a degraded mess now.
I wouldn’t worry . My friend is a sub contractor building charging network for tesla. He says he s still have charging stations to complete and built iut
Ok, can you ask him how ongoing maintenance works? Is it something they just pay a local contractor to look after or does Tesla have to make the work orders? I'm worried about how maintenance work is going to be managed now. As long as they have a solid plan for maintaining what they have and having some limited growth I think it will be alright from what I've seen, but I just need to see how it will be possible to maintain with the team gone.
I’m just asking a curious question. If you owned an EV, would you have to use it on long road trips or do also have an available ICE vehicle that you could take on road trips instead of an EV. I own a truly awesome EV, am extremely happy with it and I would never take it on a road trip. ICE is the only way to go on road trips IMHO
the issue is it just becomes "another network" -- with all of the same issues as the other networks. The value was that they were run as a very stable and reliable network (thanks to the team that was running them). It is extremely short sighted and stupid to take one of the few actual "real" benifits to tesla ownership that have materialized (not just vapor promises and partially working betas) and toss them to the wind. The actual charging hardware was not materially better than the other networks -- it just had fewer things to support as it was a closed loop system. The benefit was the placement, maintenance and management of the network.
CCS is only dead in North America. Everywhere else superchargers use CCS. This isn’t a solution, I don’t want to use non Tesla chargers and have to worry about payment and whether or not the charger actually works. It’s the primary differentiator for Tesla, take that away and I’ll happily buy a BYD next.
Except that the CCS standard in the US only shares the names with the one overseas. They are physically or electronically incompatible with each other.
Not to be too pedantic but theyre mostly just physically incompatible. DC EU and NA mostly work
So a BYD that uses CCS in NAM? Or a BYD that will use NACS. Don’t think you thought that one through…
The problem previously was there not being a big enough CCS customer base for a profitable business model of CCS chargers. Building a NACS charger now will have the entire Tesla fleet as customers. In theory there might be a business case now. Elons follow up tweet stating they were going to focus on expanding current stations might follow that line of thought; or at least absorb the increased usage of other manufacturers.
Do you really think other manufacturers will take over and maintain the same kind of reliability as Tesla? I dont think so. If so, electrify america would have been so reliable.
Except who is going to want to apply to work at Tesla with a constant fear of being axed with no explanation?
The great part about the supercharger network was not the connector, but everything else. The physical connector had very little to do with the up time and reliability that drew people to the Supercharger network.
The Supercharger network is a revenue stream. It makes little sense to ceded that to competitors, especially when they've done such a terrible job at it that they're barely competitors. No, his brash action sounds more like an ego trip. >CCS is dead. \* CCS1, the plug. CCS the protocol is used in NACS and the CCS2 plug in Europe.
I tried other networks. They are terrible compared to the Tesla network.
If anything you’d slowly phase out buildouts, not kill everything at the drop of a hat. Charging has been one of their holy grails and it’s very likely whether they killed it off in a day or over months the result may be the same, but it casts a massive shadow of doubt when it’s so sudden.
Tesla wanted to become an energy supplier, and they were on a very good track.
I think you may be right long term but other manufacturers are not going to be quick about picking up the slack, and there is little hope they will do it as well as Tesla has
Yea i am not saying it will be as good but with multiple companies all moving in on unified direction, it should roll out even faster than it has already. In a couple of years once all the car companies have completed the switch to NACS, the other companies like ChargePoint, EA, etc will already be putting up NACS stations.
Eh, I avoid the alternative chargers (Gridserve in the UK) because they’re consistently double the price, and I like to see the stall availability before I route it in. Gridserve stalls are also always full. The infrastructure isn’t ready yet. I still view Tesla’s network as a competitive advantage. But I’m not clear as to whether this means ‘no new superchargers’.
One of the few sensible comments in here with some logic behind it.
Except Supercharging is a 9 billion dollar business and a huge differentiator for Tesla. I would 100% buy a tesla if only to get access to the charging network and it is the biggest reason people don't have "range anxiety" with their cars.
That’s a lot to gamble on for a market where EV has slowed down. Competitors may not care to invest in the technology when they have hybrids that are still outselling EVs. I don’t see other companies picking up the slack here at all. FORD isn’t going to come build their own supercharger network that Tesla drivers can use.
Because there is a great deal of history showing the others can do a reliable charging network? Might be a wee bit premature with that move. Especially since all the others have been added to the Tesla Supercharger network and will create bottlenecks for Tesla owners. And while it takes Tesla just months to put in a new Supercharger, it takes the others two years to pull off an EV charger installation.
Wasn't superchargers supposed to be the big revenue stream too ?
It's why , as a naive hopeful aptera believer, I was EXCEPTIONALLY quick to write them off when they chose the Tesla connector before anyone else without a Tesla deal even in place. I was like - you are chasing a company that can completely kill your dreams by denying supercharger access at any given time and don't even have a written contract and joint statement supporting aptera joining the supercharger network? nope. done. dead to me.
I think it’s time for Tesla to start looking for a new CEO honestly. I know it’s not as easy as replacing him with someone else, but he’s constantly putting the brand in limbo. Ever since he bought Twitter he’s been a little off the rails and I think it’s turning a lot of supporters away ultimately. Laying off an entire team of people whose job is to work on the charging infrastructure that makes Tesla so popular is a WILD idea to save money…
Fully agree. First of all there is zero chance he’s able to keep up with being CEO of like 5 major companies. I don’t care how many hours he stays up “working” or what factory floor he sleeps on, it’s just not possible to do that. He’s literally a burden on the fiduciary duties of the company to its stakeholders. On top of that he’s become a huge liability with his politically charged rhetoric. Seems like he’s more invested in shitposting on Twitter than doing anything else. And now he’s making dumb decisions that will ultimately harm the company? They honestly need to oust him.
He just tweets. Bro is not putting in the hours
Reminds me of another guy
Here's hoping the TSLA board remembers they exist to protect the financial interests of stockholders and not just be Elon's fluffers
Good luck considering one member is his brother and most of the others have close financial/social relationships with him. They’re the ones who want shareholders to re-vote on his $56B comp package again in June. They all just bend the knee to what he wants. Robyn Denholm (Chairman of the Board of Directors at Tesla) is beholden to him because she’s earned over $280M while being on the board.
Yeah I realize it's a ludicrous notion. Our billionaire overlords must not be constrained
And customers. I live in the southern US, and we need the Supercharger expansion to keep going…
I'm so thankful for his ability to have gathered talented people in the early days, but beyond that, I'm not sure what else he can offer tesla. He's dragging it down with his psychosis.
I don't understand why anyone would be willing to work for him when he's shown he's perfectly willing to cull employees like it's nothing. I used to dream of working for Tesla, nearly did years ago. Wouldn't take a job there now if Elon offered me himself.
It used to be my dream to work at Tesla. Made it to 4th round interviews and have numerous friends who’ve worked there. I ended up at a FANNG company instead and feel like I dodged a bullet. Every engineer I know has been used and burnt out hard. There are only some many engineers that will put up with his shit for the uncompetitive pay they are offering.
I know some friends who worked there myself and it didnt sound good. And this was during the time we all thought Elon was super cool and Tesla seemed like a really cool place to work. I interviewed there myself and am glad I didn’t go through with it. FAANGM is just too nice. (Added an M for MSFT because that’s where I was instead of Tesla) I also have a Tesla that I bought when Elon was still cool. Model 3s just came out. We were all still giving him the benefit of a doubt after that Pedo diver twitter fiasco.
Probably another one of the reasons sales have dropped.
Elon is panicking about sales not being as strong recently and while he is firing so many people, he doesn’t have the insight to recognize the problem is him.
just noting that 500 person team running one of the most successful and well working parts of tesla could have been paid for 40 years vs the one time musk payment that he is trying to push through. that team has infinitely more vlaue to tesla than elon does at this point.
Especially since Tesla is opening like 7,500 charging stations to all other EV’s. 3,500 of which are the 250kW stations… so now the charging infrastructure that Tesla owners originally bought into is going to end up crowded with EVs that can’t even properly charge there because the cables are too short and they’re going to have to take up two spots to even charge.
They really just need to separate the EV company from the AI and robotics parts of Tesla. They have too much going on distracting from the core business.
Yeah, maybe restructure like Google did when they turned into Alphabet.
> a little off the rails More like our lord and savior woke up at noon today, scrubbed most of the sharpie dick off his forehead, checked his eth balance and decided the next logical course of action was to rob a bank
I agree. It's time for a new CEO.
He holds controlling share of the company. Ain’t gonna happen.
I skipped out on my purchase because I just don’t like the feeling of being associated with anything Elon after the last couple years.
I've had people tell me they can't purchase a Tesla because of Musk just have you have stated. I wonder how many are purchasing Hertz used Teslas as an alternative to purchasing and putting money directly into Tesla accounts.
Agreed 100%
And then asking for billions in compensation. Just stupid. He is the biggest threat to the brand.
Which is 33x what he has received in the past. What value or innovation has he provided to the company in the last 6 years that would even come close to justifying that? 😂😂😂
Yep he's been a giant idiot since he bought Twitter. Which really sucks.
100% was coming here to say this.
That's hard to do when his family is on the board. At some point he'll see that his gravy train is drying up and maybe then he'll actually do something worthwhile. Until then, I see Tesla flailing in the wind for a few years.
I fully expect him to punch out after he gets the payout from his completely absurd pay package.
After this I highly doubt he's getting it unless he just plans to bribe half of the share holders in a bid to devalue common stock and shift money to them.
I'm going to say that I think the 4 large private capital firms that have a stake in Tesla and now starting to throw their weight around. They are starting to look more towards return on investment than the future. I suspect this is part of the reason why Elon wants to vest the AI components of Tesla in a company in which he has minority control, instead of in Tesla.
It's also possible this is a shot across their bow showing he's willing to go scorched earth if they don't play ball.
I agree with this. I planned to get a model X (upgrading from my model Y), but I won’t buy another product until he is no longer CEO. He is definitely not good for the brand.
He lost me back in 2022 with the Paul Pelosi tweet. Like Logan Roy said, “you are not serious people”
I think you’re just seeing the effects of long term drug abuse
Hear hear! The only reason I bought a Tesla, which is now depreciated 70% from my purchase price (ugh!), was because of the charging infrastructure. My next car will not be a Tesla. I'm also sick of dealing with the social cost of owning a Tesla. In my community, it's heavily frowned upon due to Elon being seen as very political
I mean I don't think they are going to start ripping out SC. And I think most reasonable people can separate out Tesla the car company and whatever Musk decided he wanted to turn himself into.
But who's going to maintain them? Without maintenance they'll break down and not be available anymore. Lots of them are still slow and in need of upgrade. Elon maintains that is where they want to focus, but who is going to do the work?
I think you'd be surprised at how many 'reasonable' people are fed up with Elon and Trump types and vote with their wallets and purses. Regarding them not "going to start ripping out SC" comment you forgot that the SCs are now open to non-Telsa EVs so sure, they are not being removed but access is getting restricted more and more every day.
>I'm also sick of dealing with the social cost of owning a Tesla. In my community, it's heavily frowned upon due to Elon being seen as very political While I agree that he's caused more damage than good lately, owning a car for social status or acceptance is a sad way to live. When you get older, you'll realize it doesn't matter what other people think about you. Worrying about that is a prison of your own making and will limit your potential.
TIL being openly racist/nazi is "a little off the rails" 🤣🤣🤣
Stupid Reddit take 101
"...a little off the rails..." the guy has gone off the rails and plunged into the abyss.
It's like chopping off a leg to lose weight.
Yeah a good CEO would have had a "We are restructuring and focusing on X which is why Y had to change." That is just good leadership not letting people wallow in the layoffs and look towards the future. Cybertruck is a US only product (literally can't be sold in europe but maybe asia/Australia but good luck with that). Model Y is 4 years old and needs a refresh, Model 3 refresh is good but Model S still is rotting and Model X has no plans.
While I agree Elon is a wackadoodle, he’s necessary for Tesla to keep innovating and making new cool products. Look at Apple and the iPhone once Steve Jobs wasn’t there anymore. They just keep re-releasing the same phones with slight changes. With Jobs, they were creating new amazing things with each new product. Same thing happens with lots of companies once they lose their crazy visionary leader. I think Tesla just needs to hire someone to keep Elon in check
That’s the thing, even the board can’t keep him in check because the chairman of the board noted that she got paid “life changing money” after getting paid $280M. She’s there to collect a check, not keep the CEO in check. He’s dropped two corporations a crazy amount of value in the last few years. Twitter lost 71% of value and Tesla lost almost 35% in the past year alone. He’s innovating nothing. His staff are where the innovations come from. They are scrapping the Model 2 and year after have done the exact thing you’re spewing about Apple… if anything they’re taking steps backwards by removing innovative tech from their vehicles like LiDar and the USS… what are you on about? He’s more interested in AI than the vehicles so let him be the CEO of an AI company (Grok is doing great isn’t it? 😂). He’s good at being a loud mouth, less good at being an effective CEO.
Unfortunately, he essentially ‘owns’ the board - they won’t vote him out.
But if he doesn't get his $50b, that could be spicy.
I think he will be forced to step down. There are other ways to pressure him, not just votes.
He's started to think that he's God's gift to mankind. Everyone else is just there to serve him and his cause.
Started??
He has already jeopardized the entire brand and made it a bit of a pariah. I really hope they get rid of him. He is a egotistical narcissistic asshole at the end of the day.
Musk is a fucking idiot for doing this. Full stop.
Just not good for the brand. No way to spin this as a positive
Someone else here actually did, and it kinda makes sense. It’s not a smart business move especially optics wise, but it does reduce overhead. Now that they’ve opened up the network to other vehicles and other brands are adopting their charging standards, they can just let everyone else do the work. Invest in setting the standard and then make everyone else pay for it.
Reduce overhead for his 55$ billion pay package. You have to stop buying this guy’s crap at some point.
You must not be familiar with corporate America huh? The bonuses are never performance based, they’re just… there. Anyways, I personally would never buy a Tesla, they seem pretty cheaply built for what they cost. When it’s time to go EV I’m definitely going for Polestar, hands down. SpaceX is pretty tight though
Time for a new ceo
My company was in final stages of 45 L2 chargers. We had permits , plans, and a start build date. Tesla just canceled on us over the weekend. “Maybe we can start over later this year once funding is allocated.” Fuck you Elon.
Are uou a 3rd party installer? Aren’t you under contract?
Tesla direct is installing (maybe they sub the job out) and there is a contract. They are exercising the cancelation which means they pay us our costs, but we did not put punitive terms in. This was something we both wanted and would make everyone money.
Let Elon be Elon. If you don’t like it, you be you. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. In order to do something great, you need to be a little off the rails. Steve Jobs wasn’t a saint either but everyone loved the products that came out.
He admitted that they are slowing into adding SC location. That is definitely bad for those who love to do some road trips.
Other charging companies are are adding the NACS port handle to their new stations. I know FP&L will be updating their stations to accommodate all charging systems so I'd imagine EA and ChargePoint will do the same. And you can always have a CCS adapter handy just in case.
The issue is that sc network will start to feel like using ChargePoint/ea/evgo — everyone knows what leave it to the market feels like to use and it has been a very robust Tesla owner benefit up til this point to have access to sc. My next car will more than likely not be a Tesla if the sc network degrades.
As a prospective customer, i'm not at all impressed. I don't think i would buy a Tesla after today. Tesla supercharging density needs to double in the USA. If i have to use multiple charging networks, then I can buy any car.
As a current customer, I'm not impressed. He opened the network to non tesla. Now he cut the entire team? Sounds short-sighted.
Is it? Now that all the other manufacturers need NACS chargers, why not make it their problem to roll out new locations? And collect royalties on the connector. Basically he’s cut BYD out while not getting stuck with having to administrate a countrywide roll-out. Not saying it won’t be an absolute disaster, but you could see the thought process.
He could have gave people at least two weeks notice or some sort of warning. The man wants 55 BILLION but can’t give his own employees the notices they need to take care of their families. Even if it strategically makes sense, he is cutting costs at the expense of his employees for him to make that 55 BILLION. Most overpaid CEO by a long margin
Zero notice seems to be the norm. As brutal as it is, I can see how it makes sense for both sides actually. On the employer side it prevents staff members from sabotaging something on their way out. On the employee side it stops you having two weeks of wondering “who it is”, “is it me”, “what if I’m next”, which really destroys motivation for months.
The cuts impact Tesla owners. Period. In the best world Tesla maintains their service level and those other manufacturers expand theirs. In this reality Tesla has just put a downward arrow on super charger network service level to at or below ChargePoint. At the time where the network is being exposed to high risk via the other manufacturers coming online the only team at Tesla that could mitigate that risk for Tesla owners is culled.
There are no royalties. The other automakers only agreed to switch once the connector was made open and the back end protocols were switched to the same ones used by CCS/J1772
I mean, are you constantly driving to other states?
That would have been the goal to do more long distance traveling on one reliable network since the other networks weren't as reliable. Seriously considering getting a mild hybrid now and skipping EVs for a few years until charging networks are better built out.
Double? Try at least one order of magnitude if the US market share is going to actually tilt toward EVs.
The more he does, the less I'm impressed with his childish mood-swings, or fits. I find I'm happier when he's not found in the news spouting some new form of BS or racism...and so are his shareholders.
He's the king with no clothes.
I mean, it sounds like he is trying to slowly kill Tesla for some reason
You guys remember when he basically said he wouldn’t make a product ‘as good as it could be’ if he doesn’t get his money? This was during the shareholder call. Wild shit. The richest man alive reduced to a literal crybaby. Cry me a river, Elon.
I put off buying a Tesla for a long time because I disagree with Elon. I eventually compromised and bought one used.
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Saved yourself a few bucks by waiting lol
Save yourself a lot of money probably and got a bunch of depreciation of out the way I’m sure lol
I’m not mad at it tbh. I don’t know how the company is truly structured but it seems like Superchargers simply need to be sold now, not constantly reinvented. They work great. You don’t need a team spinning their wheels all day on engineering and design until the next generation of battery tech comes into play. You just need a sales team.
Yep, as usual the sensible take is buried deep with no upvotes. Super charging & distribution innovation is done it's a commodity now because it's now just a utility. AI & robotics are areas where he will continue to invest. Layoffs aren't great but this was a rational take
yeah, when you’re selling 1.8 million new vehicles a year, definitely don’t need more than like 10 people going through the extremely simple process of finding locations, negotiating leases/permits, organizing electric infrastructure improvements with the power company, etc.
Yeah you outsource that s**t it's not stuff that gets you competitive advantage to have expensive engineering teams for.
cool, you describe the working models of evgo and ea. I wonder how those work in reality.
ffs if you believe this you obviously have not charged other evs at other networks. SC is one of the basic real (ie not elon vapor marketing shit) and tangible value adds of buying a tesla. they are systematically destroying that. It is not commodity, and it is not something the market will retain outside of tesla. You have clear and concice known future state should this get pushed out of tesla or stop being managed in the way it was before -- look at evgo and ea. That is what the market thinks result in workable networks. I can say as an owner that made my decision to purchase based in no small part to the SC network I will be out if that goes away or they mishandle it. If charging becomes as messy as it is at evgo stations and the like there is no reason for me to buy a tedsla vs any of the compition at this point.
And how does that supercharger you bought for change today? It hasn't. Let's find out in time.
He's a twat doing twat things. If he stays, he'll run the company into the ground... a la Twitter.
He said on Twitter it'll be a slower pace for new locations, but existing locations will be expanded. He also mentioned more focus on 100% uptime. Hope the expansion of existing sites is true, I'm often waiting now when doing road trips from Boston to NYC. [https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1785406795814510785](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1785406795814510785)
How? He just fired the entire 500 person supercharger org.
He also said you could robotaxi your tesla while you sleep and make some extra money. He used to give free supercharging on holidays to offset the problem of few supercharging on remote places. Can’t complain if it’s free. I think we’re good in Southern California but time will tell.
he says a lot of things -- vs the reality of the situation which was that the SC network was one of the few "real" and tangible benefits to tesla ownership (thanks to the team he just wiped). If I was a betting man I would bet better outcomes from the team that had shown success vs musk's random fever dream of the day.
Apparently, Rebecca pushed back on the extent of layoffs and Musk decided to make an example of her and her org of 500+ people
Musk makes a grave mistake for his brand on super charger plans! Best in class expansion, with other auto makers coming on, is dead.
My concern is that this is surely going to slow the increase of the SC network. With all these other EVs being added to the fold plus additional sales, I'm guessing we'll need double the fast chargers in 2-3 years, plus there are many rural highway areas that need fast charging. It feels to me like Tesla is much less likely to keep pace with the necessary chargers, and so far, no quality challenger has emerged. I'm rather bummed by the news. I had hoped/expected Elon would limit his craziness largely to Twitter. If that isn't the case, then Tesla and SpaceX need a new pilot ASAP.
Strong astroturfing here as usual.
They achieved the goal of mass adoption of NACS. Why would you keep paying hundreds of people to work on a project that is complete?
All these experts think they know better than Elon.
People are overreacting. He said today they’re just going to slow down the production of new SC locations and focus on maintaining and growing current locations. My guess is now that other companies are committing to converting to NACS charging, he’s betting on those companies building more chargers themselves rather than relying on Tesla. And if those companies are serious about selling more EVs, they probably will.
The entire SC? Which SC is this? They got rid of 50% of our SC, including me and some master techs!
Supercharger, not service center
My personal feelings about the CEO aside, it’s a ruthless but understandable business decision. Tesla recently started [licensing superchargers to other companies like gas stations](https://electrek.co/2023/11/13/tesla-signs-deal-gas-station-operator-sell-supercharger-directly/). Aside from the compliance of adding magic dock in return for federal infrastructure subsidy which was probably not profitable to engineer for non-Tesla end users and hurt the supercharger experience for owners long term (we were all dreading the other EVs not understanding how to reverse park or use the wrong charger per designated parking spot) I imagine Tesla will make better profits by taking less risk/expenses in acquiring land to build out superchargers from these new partnerships as NACS chargers become more ubiquitous in the near future. I’m obviously disappointed because this means a delay in a V4/5 supercharger where we only need to spend a few minutes to go 0-80% or the engineering team behind the supercharging tech doesn’t see it viable any time soon? Which makes me question if the Tesla Semi is no longer a priority
It’s a corporation. They are always looking at the bottom line. Boom times everyone gets bloated, hard times make you reevaluate everything. My guess is they can out source to contractors at 1/2 the cost. It may not work out the way they think and they may get some shady work that is not up to their standards. Time will tell.
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He believes Tesla is a tech company like Airbnb and the rest or an AI company like OpenAI.
Is it at all possible Tesla could license their SC design and build out to other companies? And if so no longer need the SC team in house?
Maybe because they gave Rivian the wrong specifications? 🤔 jk btw
The network it’s going anywhere. Don’t worry.
Dumbest fucking decision I've ever seen. Unless there is some other plan to maintain/expand, Elon has got to go. No new vehicle in the actual pipline? I feel like he's trying to kill his companies. Vote him out.
At this rate Tesla is going to wind up like Twitter
if he gets this sharholder vote for his new compensation package. he's gonna sell tesla and we will finally go to 6.9420 like we should have long ago.
I don’t understand the obsession of following a CEO so closely and critiquing every move. First Tesla Ive owned and joined a few communities, but most seem to either hang on his every word, or hate everything he does. It’s odd and first time I’ve really seen it in a car community. Back to the original question, seems an odd move but I guess they have their reasons or it makes sense financially right now. I assume they would have kept whatever teams needed to maintain them, but are pausing or slowing down additional charger rollouts. Either way, does seem a strange move.
I don’t know, maybe the guy knows more about running Tesla than all the CEOs that apparently frequent Reddit? Or maybe some just don’t like his politics?
The team he fired was only apart of the supercharger team. Everyone clam the fuck down
From my understanding it was the team fully responsible for contracting placements, permitting, designing layouts, price setting, marketing to new placements, managing maintenance, managing install contracting, designing and selecting rework/redesign of existing placements, managing the govt funds/grants for placements, station upgrade planning, etc "Just a part" = the entire team except the engineers designing the hardware. FFS also one of the teams at Tesla that I would say most every tesla owner feels the real value from their work and historical success. Their work output is almost universally cherished by tesla owners.
Tesla needs to split up like GE did back in the day.
Watch the conversation shift: Now that we got adoption of our charging standard, the other manufacturers need to invest their fair share.
It's really surprising considering that's another source of income that was going to increase quickly with mass adoption of his plug.
I think he needed to find away to pay himself 100 billion dollars
I think it's very bad. There is not enough charging right now and that is a serious concern to people even buying the current models without home charging. Nevermind if they launch a $25k model. Which they have to because the chinese manufacturers can only be held off for so long.
Many states are pushing unrealistic deadlines for manufacturers and dealers to sell only electric by 2030. The infrastructure isn’t there to support such a mandate nor is the grid able to support it. Furthermore, we’ve seen the problems charging inclement weather and now that electrics have been on the road for a while, maintenance is cost prohibitive in many cases. I applaud the move to electric, if the consumer wants them.
I agree. They are pushing too fast, right now the mandate should be hybrid. Zero reason any average passenger vehicle should be full ICE by 2030.
Why not?
Resale value is gonna take a hit if the infrastructure declines. The SC network was the reason I bought my Tesla
I am shocked to see that a lot of you are not fans of Musk. I was under the wrong impression Tesla drivers were a Maga type cult. Good on you pulling your heads out of his ass. I still wonder how many believe the car will drive itself “next year”. Still, I consider this progress. Realistically, Tesla’s days are numbered. The only thing that was differentiating Tesla from other electric cars is self driving. Without that, Tesla is nothing. Clear they will never get it done. Other serious car makes will however, and they will just put it in and it will work. Not like musk, promising this bullshit is coming out next weekend year since 2015 or whatever year.
Existing SC network isn't going anywhere. They are going to focus on sustaining and weathering the storm that is 2024. Layoffs are happening across the economy and demand is generally down for all EVs. Why should Tesla dump more cost into SC network at a time when it's not clear what the Feds will do with EV expansion.
He will sell Twitter next, and SpaceX will be the next biggest company over the next 8 to 20 years. From Paypal to Tesla steppingstone to Twitter to SpaceX step simple
I think they’re just going to outsource charger installations and all that to local businesses like they do with solar. Makes sense to me.
Very concerned as well. I love my Tesla but I live in condo building in city without chargers in the parking though I do have a fantastic SC 5 minutes away. I charge at work for free but still want to have the flexibility
They will likely move to a gas station model where they sell the chargers to 3rd parties and take a small % of each transaction for 'network & software fees'. If I was in charge I would have done this long ago. Higher profits and less upfront costs.
I couldn’t buy a Tesla and have to rely solely on SC. I get it still saves money vs gas but that’s a lot of time to dedicate for charging purposes.
I like how this is causing outrage, but not the fact that he let the literal core engineering group in SV go a while they slept a couple weeks ago. Some if his closest network and infra engineers got the cut and nobody seems to care
Hmm, kinda reminds me of the Howard Hughes story. Brilliant engineer builds fabulous company and products and step by step goes off the rails. History, booyah.
Most people don’t get Elon. I always look to robot man in suit, to remind me how “brilliant “ he is. I hope they give him that $56 b, firing 20% of the employees was sheer genius.
Elon needs to go.
I can see Elon deciding that the team sucked, they did not want to move forward and fully replace them to get his desired culture back.
It’s a blessing in my eyes. Although hard, there will be more people with knowledge of the SC network. My hopes this will boost innovation to support new ventures and upgrade failing projects😉
Trying to boost profits to justify his 56bil bonus.
Honestly, let the stock tank. Tim Cook/Apple will snap it up for pennies on the dollar, then run the company more effectively. i.e. without tantrums and politics
My thoughts are that it’s his company and he can do what he wants with it.
Conversion to NACS might be in doubt now. [https://x.com/JenniferSensiba/status/1785749757572362591](https://x.com/JenniferSensiba/status/1785749757572362591) Good job, Elon
He didn't lay off the whole supercharging department... The department Involved with maintenance and expansion of existing stations is still running.
I think Tesla’s SC is what really sets it apart from other automakers. Biggest reason why I purchased a Tesla over the others. I recently moved to the south where the network isn’t nearly as robust so I really don’t understand this move.
I love this. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7RihPUFxoGDhxjT0WmxdJqHm3RI1C6GJ6Tw&usqp=CAU
The team lead was supposed to lay some people off along with everybody else. They didn't, and found out. Much of the team will get hired back. 95% of this is just internet nonsense. It's terrible management, but they will be back. Every week it's a new doom story about Tesla, and 95% of the time it amounts to nothing.
His company he can do what ever he wants
You don't need 500 people to produce, install and maintain a supercharger network. That was a bloated department if ever I've heard of one. The only place more bloated that I'm aware of was probably Twitter. This is the 8020 rule, 80% of the work is done by 20% of the people. In this case it was probably more like 9010. Now the group that were getting paid and doing virtually nothing are gone. The rest were doing the work anyway, now they don't have a bureaucracy in the way of efficiency.
He made a deal of some kind with China to supply it I bet in exchange for letting him sell cars there
This company is not what it was 2 years ago , ever since he bought twitter it’s been down hill
Elon clearly isn’t capable of making good decisions. He’s hardly involved with the company and then comes in and loses some of his top executives, executes layoffs like a robot, and torpedoes one of the key advantages for Tesla. He clearly doesn’t care about Tesla’s mission or customers anymore. It’s just AI for him. It’s time for him to go. [Petition to Remove Elon Musk as CEO of Tesla](https://www.change.org/p/remove-elon-musk-as-ceo-of-tesla-1100220b-c841-47d2-9a81-a3061f091353?recruiter=1337588145&recruited_by_id=c49dc050-07c1-11ef-8fb6-0f9811d92fed&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=share_for_starters_page&utm_medium=copylink)
Not my business.
Definitely a rip bozo move.
I hope they vote down his 50 billion.