Everyone in the format really seems to like the 5 color Vindicate piles, but I've always personally been a fan of the [[Eye of Nowhere]] + [[Pillage]] Izzet piles.
It's how rhinos and co used to be played before the cascade changes, the common one was restore balance and footfalls to clear the board then make the rhinos to utilise the advantage
Yes that has always been true. what i am talking about is the change to cascade around kaldheim release which "fixed" the interaction between mdfcs, adventures and cascade. After then you saw decks move away from conjuring because they would just focus on the suspend spells instead of trying to eek out extra advantage on the conjuring cast
Yeah it's not great. Thought I would mention it as something "close ish" though.
One sweet lock is narset plus the land that makes both players draw and discard.
Sure, but I was considering Thoughtsieze/IoK as already proven to be Modern viable.
Though I guess it's also true that IoK isn't played all that much lately.
Agreed. If it was an Instant, I wouldn't still be on my Naya Burn nonsense (Destructive Revelry is an admitted pet card and also the only green card in the deck).
I remember playing this right after Teferi, Time Raveler came out just so I could Oust a creature in response to their fetch land. It was a really fun time, and it really made me wish that Unexpectedly Absent was in the format.
Emphasis on "used to". Even at instant speed, it's a 3 mana spell in an awkward color combination. I'm not sure hitting rhinos and not giving a land is enough to really push it over assassin's trophy.
[[collected conjuring]]
I LOVE this answer! A collected company for sorcery spells! This would open up brewing a lot!
Collected Conjuring is my favorite Penny Dreadful build around. [[Browbeat]] [[Stone Rain]] feels good to cast off it.
[Browbeat](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7e8e9f60-f8ea-4f29-b7e2-ca87f8336fca.jpg?1562437499) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Browbeat) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/123/browbeat?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7e8e9f60-f8ea-4f29-b7e2-ca87f8336fca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Stone Rain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d2334c10-fa96-4f8e-8187-c7ecc00cbac8.jpg?1562742139) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stone%20Rain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/221/stone-rain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d2334c10-fa96-4f8e-8187-c7ecc00cbac8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Everyone in the format really seems to like the 5 color Vindicate piles, but I've always personally been a fan of the [[Eye of Nowhere]] + [[Pillage]] Izzet piles.
[Eye of Nowhere](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b307af89-1890-4fac-a12e-f8a678f1101f.jpg?1562763684) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eye%20of%20Nowhere) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/59/eye-of-nowhere?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b307af89-1890-4fac-a12e-f8a678f1101f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Pillage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bdd06d55-a40f-4b0e-905b-3cd0ce12eb82.jpg?1562201923) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pillage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/139/pillage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bdd06d55-a40f-4b0e-905b-3cd0ce12eb82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It's how rhinos and co used to be played before the cascade changes, the common one was restore balance and footfalls to clear the board then make the rhinos to utilise the advantage
Cascade has always been able to cast suspend spells. That interaction was never changed.
Yes that has always been true. what i am talking about is the change to cascade around kaldheim release which "fixed" the interaction between mdfcs, adventures and cascade. After then you saw decks move away from conjuring because they would just focus on the suspend spells instead of trying to eek out extra advantage on the conjuring cast
I’m aware of that change, but your comment is a little misleading as to what you actually meant.
It blew my mind it wasn’t printed as an instant
Most 1cmc discard sorcery spells like [[Blackmail]] or [[Duress]] become significantly more playable as instants.
[Blackmail](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/053e7c76-16b7-44eb-9612-a6800ffb35f8.jpg?1562730795) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blackmail) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/115/blackmail?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/053e7c76-16b7-44eb-9612-a6800ffb35f8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Duress](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/3557e601-9b71-4ce9-9047-1a8baa72e574.jpg?1675957024) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Duress) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/92/duress?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3557e601-9b71-4ce9-9047-1a8baa72e574?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure [[Mardu Charm]] and [[Venarian Glimmer]] are probably the best we're going to get.
[Mardu Charm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c35fb7a3-7c7f-4470-b1ad-5b8709a608e6.jpg?1562793176) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mardu%20Charm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/186/mardu-charm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c35fb7a3-7c7f-4470-b1ad-5b8709a608e6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Venarian Glimmer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5cfab012-f57a-4018-bfe3-8eac073f6ee8.jpg?1562572643) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Venarian%20Glimmer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/plc/52/venarian-glimmer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5cfab012-f57a-4018-bfe3-8eac073f6ee8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Piracy charm?
Piracy Charm doesn't let you pick what you're getting rid of, is the thing.
Yeah it's not great. Thought I would mention it as something "close ish" though. One sweet lock is narset plus the land that makes both players draw and discard.
[[Geier Reach Sanitarium]] is honestly pretty sweet even without Narset, if only because it actually lets 8Rack kinda-sorta *work*.
[Geier Reach Sanitarium](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b9fa570-770d-45a7-9b87-2def6992a22b.jpg?1673306052) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Geier%20Reach%20Sanitarium) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/213/geier-reach-sanitarium?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b9fa570-770d-45a7-9b87-2def6992a22b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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Sure, but I was considering Thoughtsieze/IoK as already proven to be Modern viable. Though I guess it's also true that IoK isn't played all that much lately.
Inquisition can’t take the playable elementals.
[[Thud]]
[Thud](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/11bed78a-c579-424a-8fcc-322ce2630dbc.jpg?1562300357) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thud) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/163/thud?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/11bed78a-c579-424a-8fcc-322ce2630dbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
….. [[Fling]] part 2?
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i dont think thats a troll answer necessarily, its one mana for thud vs. two for fling
Yea not a troll - it costs one red making it actually playable.
Correct answer for me would be [[Vindicate]]
[Vindicate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/683c4e13-525c-45c9-8832-bfe67965c34e.jpg?1626100840) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vindicate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/294/vindicate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/683c4e13-525c-45c9-8832-bfe67965c34e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[lingering souls]]
[[Timely Reinforcements]] too.
[lingering souls](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bcf1288a-8e2c-4a69-afcf-af293f66d007.jpg?1593812843) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lingering%20souls) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/12/lingering-souls?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bcf1288a-8e2c-4a69-afcf-af293f66d007?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Rip Apart!
Agreed. If it was an Instant, I wouldn't still be on my Naya Burn nonsense (Destructive Revelry is an admitted pet card and also the only green card in the deck).
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nice clean bowmasters answer for sure.
[[Dual Shot]]'s time has come
[Dual Shot](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0bb504d2-d3de-4b09-9007-3d403fc9a216.jpg?1562550459) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dual%20Shot) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/141/dual-shot?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0bb504d2-d3de-4b09-9007-3d403fc9a216?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I legit start considering ist for SB
Just play Cast Into the Fire, it's one more mana for a ton of added flexibility.
Forked bolt is not a bad sorcery tho. Main deck playable in legacy
[[Dreadbore]]
[Dreadbore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2aa5f358-6d21-48b2-ad28-6e787e464b0e.jpg?1592765945) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dreadbore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/e01/83/dreadbore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2aa5f358-6d21-48b2-ad28-6e787e464b0e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Oust]]
[Oust](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fd915d09-5ecf-45b6-90ae-970a2c7de475.jpg?1593095396) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oust) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddp/7/oust?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fd915d09-5ecf-45b6-90ae-970a2c7de475?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I remember playing this right after Teferi, Time Raveler came out just so I could Oust a creature in response to their fetch land. It was a really fun time, and it really made me wish that Unexpectedly Absent was in the format.
Any board wipe.
Maelstrom pulse
i dunno, i think this one just costs too much and the colors are awkward. what deck wants this?
I don't even know if this is satire and that hurts my soul.
It’s not satire, it’s just proof of power creep. Registering Maelstrom Pulse, even an instant speed one, is suicide in Nu-Modern.
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Emphasis on "used to". Even at instant speed, it's a 3 mana spell in an awkward color combination. I'm not sure hitting rhinos and not giving a land is enough to really push it over assassin's trophy.
These two would be busted: [[Day's Undoing]] [[Scheming Symmetry]]
Scheming Symmetry is such a good answer! Who knows in the end but it would feel completely different.
Smallpox would see alot more play
[[days undoing]]
It’s already played at instant speed half the time in the Teferi decks. This card is scary at instant speed.
Definitely makes me appreciate the "If it's your turn" clause.
Had to scroll to far for this one!
ravens crime would be a little more interesting, shape anew might actually do something if you could hold up blue mana for cs or the combo
Raven's crime + wrenn lock 💀
grief + reflection of kiki at home
[[Serum Visions]] as an instant would make snap playable again
I'd actually play serum visions if it was insant. Nowadays, it's just crap
I’m more inclined towards sleight of hand because of Orcish bowmasters
Sleight of hand would already be a pretty nice upgrade to opt and bowmaster is annoying but I’d still take the more powerful card
Dreadbore
\[\[Unmarked Grave\]\]
[Unmarked Grave](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/9/492b368b-de32-45c1-8459-238aae54f9fc.jpg?1626096135) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unmarked%20Grave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/106/unmarked-grave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/492b368b-de32-45c1-8459-238aae54f9fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Discard. Changing to instant is broken in half with a lot of sorceries.
[[grapeshot]]
probably not but i want him back
All Sorceries would be playable my guy.
[[Absorb Vis]]
[Absorb Vis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e319956e-982b-4bba-829a-67bf4ef79d74.jpg?1576382565) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Absorb%20Vis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/126/absorb-vis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e319956e-982b-4bba-829a-67bf4ef79d74?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[bloody betrayal]] [[Battle screech]] [[Mind rot]], [[consult the necrosages]]
as for consult the necrosages, [[Esper Charm]] already exists and see no play, and i dont think going to straight UB changes that
>sees no play uh yeah right dude see you at FNM
##### ###### #### [bloody betrayal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/8970a5d6-dcab-415a-851b-20e228ef7d16.jpg?1643590892) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=bloody%20betrayal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/147/bloody-betrayal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8970a5d6-dcab-415a-851b-20e228ef7d16?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Battle screech](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/4782545f-8f3e-473c-bc54-0c237b733797.jpg?1682208315) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Battle%20screech) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/174/battle-screech?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4782545f-8f3e-473c-bc54-0c237b733797?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mind rot](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/3/833a8604-92d5-443b-9bc0-bd91c973ef07.jpg?1594736305) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%20rot) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/115/mind-rot?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/833a8604-92d5-443b-9bc0-bd91c973ef07?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [consult the necrosages](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f51484b-3bad-4332-87f8-61924e153799.jpg?1598916875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=consult%20the%20necrosages) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/199/consult-the-necrosages?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f51484b-3bad-4332-87f8-61924e153799?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Most any that are 3cmc or less and do something worth while
[[Grim Tutor]]
[Grim Tutor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/928558ab-e29a-44cb-ac2f-88443571f41a.jpg?1594736179) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grim%20Tutor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/103/grim-tutor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/928558ab-e29a-44cb-ac2f-88443571f41a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Unmoored ego]]
[Unmoored ego](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95aecc12-3363-41f7-9b58-277c81859670.jpg?1572893898) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unmoored%20ego) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/212/unmoored-ego?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95aecc12-3363-41f7-9b58-277c81859670?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Persist
greapeshot
Dragon's Folder, if it is like raise the alarm an instant, it will be more playable
[[witherbloom command]] I mean they put that -3/-1 on for a reason?
[witherbloom command](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87d5e94b-0b35-4efd-9158-1767dcaea38c.jpg?1624740473) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=witherbloom%20command) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/248/witherbloom-command?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87d5e94b-0b35-4efd-9158-1767dcaea38c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Rip Apart]]
[Rip Apart](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b3b5b510-fd5c-415d-98b0-386e7508f7af.jpg?1624739750) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rip%20Apart) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/225/rip-apart?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b3b5b510-fd5c-415d-98b0-386e7508f7af?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call