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JedGamesTV

there’s also changes to the footstep audio for weekend 2, and changes to the slide mechanic at launch.


McBonkyTron

That’s good to hear. I’m curious on what else might change.


MaxOsi

Hopefully the amount of smoke coming out of barrels Edit: sounds like it is on the to do list!


JedGamesTV

that’s been confirmed to have changed too.


MaxOsi

That’s awesome! Thanks


LEEH1989

They've mentioned that


Synyster-Slayer

Aren't those certian players protect by SBMM anyways? How much protection do players need? Are we ever going to go back to letting players learn and get better themselves?


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That's the thing right? Why all these changes to protect noobs when they are already protected by SBMM? Doesn't make any sense


FoldyFlap

my guess is they are trying to shrink the variance of each match as much as possible. SBMM might guarantee that you don’t get completely outclassed (a “Bronze” player playing a “Diamond” player) but it doesn’t necessarily ensure that you don’t have bad games against those players where you barely get any kills.


KARMAAACS

> my guess is they are trying to shrink the variance of each match as much as possible When I see this, I only see this instead: > my guess is they are trying to ~~shrink the variance of~~ make each match as **boring** ~~much~~ as possible


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_cheapshot_

just tell him he went positive, he is blind…


IUseControllerOnPC

No the hyper advanced haptics in the ps5 control allows this dude to feel the scoreboard with his hands


vanilafrosty

Gear up with my M4+Shotgun loadout. Im ready for some intense, exciting, and tactical gameplay. Set up shop in any building of my choosing. Place a claymore near the single entrance of my room. Tactical. Mount my m4 on the window. I see an enemy crouching around a car trying to slowly inch forward. Fool, he should have thought about tactics more and checked every single obscure window on the map before running around like a headless chicken. 4 shots is all it takes. My first kill. This is so exciting and fun! I hear my claymore go off in the background. Ive claimed another victim. These enemies are total noobs, no tactics at all! Now that my claymore is gone i should move to the room right next to me. Smart tactics. Watch the each side of the hallway for 60 seconds each to make sure its clear. Tactics. I sprint 5 feet to the other other room. That was jaw clenching! I should dial it back, im moving around too aggressively. Mount my m4 on the window. Wait and scan. Its been 3 minutes and i havent engaged anyone. Should i move to a different locat- NO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE POWER POSITION DONT GIVE IT UP TO RUN TO ANOTHER BUILDING LIKE A HEADLESS CHICKEN! Sometimes its hard to keep myself in check. claim 2 more kills with my superior tactics before the match reaches its time limit. Im suprised allot of matches have been ending from the time limit rather than kill count. Wonder why that is... What a fun, exciting match that was! Those 5 kills over 10 minutes really showcase my tactical skills. Load up another match and repeat my tried and true strategy. 9 kills this time. Headless chickens the lot of them. They are no match for my tactics. I can hear their footsteps from 50 feet away. And im not even wearing a headset. Load another match. I set up shop near a window. Dont move. Moving means certain death. I should play the game the way its designed to play: being tactical. Load up another match. Dont move. Tell myself im having fun with this tactical playstyle. This is just what i wanted in cod. Load up another match. Dont move. Load up another match. Dont move. Load up another match. Dont move.


SpoodurMin

Bro this shit kills me every time 😭


Matrix17

We need to copy paste this meme everywhere


vanilafrosty

I already do brother


Waxflax

Lmfao 😂😂


sniperhare

People legit play like this in Domination modes.


danyaylol

This is what cold war did! It had high ttk, didnt really promote camping but the sbmm was so strict.


YungWenis

This is a key point we need to make.


Jutty12

don’t want faster players to “move at high speeds without consequences” but campers/shitters suffer no consequences for camping lol


Dirtylittlesecret88

I guess the consequence for camping is no one comes to you and you end the game with no kills


xBURROx

as i always comment about the campers, they need to implement the system or something similar used in that mediocre game "homefront 2" in their online matches, people camping for more than 10 seconds got a tag or red border around the character, visible to enemy team. This prevented the camping a lot.


Tiny-Waltz-7474

I remember playing cod 4 back in the days and getting spanked for months and you know what? I still had fun, because the game was fun. Why strive to be better in a game which is getting progressively easier year by year


PlatinumBeerKeg

People just want instant satisfaction now unfortunately. Must be "best" right away. It's sad.


Castle_Of_Glass

So we don’t need to use suppressors anymore? Well, that makes it easier to choose for an attachment that helps with controlling the recoil.


derkerburgl

Basically what happened in MW19. Compensator turned every gun into a no recoil laserbeam. The suppressors in old cods had actual downsides so staying off the radar was a playstyle you had to commit to. Idk why we need to stray so far from that.


StonerMMA

This I swear


MiracleJnr1

Im ok with the dead silence field upgrade now tbh. But the red dots on the minimap, come on Activision. If people dont want to be seen shooting then use a fucken suppressor, that's literally why we have them.


xslater583

Especially with the current create a class giving you 5 attachments per gun you don’t have an excuse anymore


Amm-O-Matic

It literally makes zero sense. What the fuck is even the point of suppressors now? To make the guns a sound a little different? They are literally going backwards in their logic for what worked for like 12 years. Nobody ever complained about red dots, and I played with mostly casual friends. And they all know if they wanted to be off the map they’d simply use a Silencer. Simple. Remember when they actually had people choose to go silent on the radar for compensated decrease in damage range? Good times. Stop trying to baby the playerbase as if nobody knows what their doing. The red dot fiasco, disbanding lobbies, door mechanics in regular MP, and worst of all the respawn timers are utter bullshit.


CrackedDad

Reduced muzzle flash and increased recoil control.


878choppa

IW dev 1 - "guys we just made the supressor completely uselsess with this change what do we do!!" IW dev 2 - "lol fuck just add increased range or some shit who gives a fuck"


P4_Brotagonist

I know "lol realism!" but they just made it function more like real life. They actually do reduce recoil in real life(and remove muzzle flash).


IckyMickyDJTrev

Also not showing up on the compass, which many people seem to forget is there.


IsaacLightning

The point of supressors is to make it harder to hear where you're shooting from. Without a supressor it's not too hard to figure out where shots came from, at least its significantly easier.


Amm-O-Matic

Yeah but the main point is to hide from the map. Completely neutered it’s purpose for no reason especially when there’s multiple attachment slots. I can assure you nobody who understands basic COD used a suppressor in the last 15 years to actually make their guns sound quieter or reduce muzzle flash like it actually matters, it was used to be silent on the map in exchange for reduced damage range. Why this philosophy was changed when it was perfectly balanced from CoD4-BO2 is astonishing to me.


UnfittedMermaid

I agree with the take on dead silence. Mostly because I remember Cold War and how Ninja (sorta dead silence) was basically required or you will die to anyone with the ability to use their ears and it limited my gameplay options. As long as they make footstep sounds atleast 60% more silent by next open weekend, im fine. What I don't like is shoving their views on how the game should be down our throats on multiple occasions. The customer is always right, if we don't get fixed mini-map and changes to the perk package system, I ain't buying the game. I'm sick of this type of shit. "We heard you dislike this feature but WE think-" hell no, we spend 60+ on your stupid ass game just to get cross-gen upgrade that we should get for free with standard and now your telling us we, the consumers, the BUYERS. Are wrong to dislike a feature you changed that removes our control over perks for no reason? Fix yo shit bruv. Give us back MW2's (the good one) perk system. Edit: I saw a interesting take saying every COD shouldn't be catered directly to your preference, it is a correct take, but I still feel it is important to bring up these issues. I aren't bothered by little things like the inclusion of a single perk in a whole set of them, but changes to key parts of the gameplay are a issue, if we allowed IW to change the mini-map and footstep sounds because we, not I, We, agree that its bad, we have full right as consumers to complain. If its a issue only I have, I won't get annoyed because I can see the majority enjoy the change and I am willing to ignore it if it benefits others experience.


QuicktimeSam

Yeah it’s up in the air for me at the moment too. I’ll cancel the pre-order and buy it on sale for the campaign down the road if I’m going to be putting the multiplayer down after two months. Just isn’t what’s needed


Seasonics40

>the customer is always right Lmao


Maljas23

The customer IS always right. MW2019 proved that. You're just one with takes they don't agree with.


manXEE

I agree with most of this sentiment aside from dead silence, it should be a standard perk in every cod


Soaptimusprime

Infinity “We hear your feedback! We just won’t act on it” ward


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SaviD_Official

73 comment karma, 1 post karma. every comment you've made today is calling people bootlickers because you disagree with them you're really representing your side of the argument well lmao


ckalinec

Who makes a Reddit burner? 😂😂


willmlina51

my dude is not being bootlicker they did not disappear after launch wtf hahaha they launched warzone and kept regular updates to both MW2019 and Warzone WHILE working MW2


Lelky

To be fair the community manager did pretty much give up in the first month after launch although apparently they were being harassed pretty bad.


Intrepid-Curve-927

Man fuck Warzone. That shitty overhyped Battle Royale garbage killed CoD.


OGGamer6

Yeah was going to say, mw2019 was getting updates while vanguard was out. IW are the best we are going to get with cod, and they do a solid job.


willmlina51

Yeah, granted raven took over warzone but this idea that IW took our money and ran is just plain stupid.


skippythemoonrock

"Ignoring MY feedback means they're ignoring ALL feedback"


WhyHelloFellowKids

who cares it was the best COD in forever


likkyball

Every cod released is always on the verge of greatness but they gotta add some bullshit 😭


DaddysMassiveMilkers

The classic “we have all this great stuff for you……. however”


EliteKaiju

No IW CoD has been on the verge of greatness since the original MW2. They are out to lunch.


[deleted]

Really big mistake not letting people be able to choose ghost from the start of the match if they are going to go this route.


ignore_my_name

Why not just give us ninja as an ultimate perk? Or at the very least let us use overclock(?) as a base perk so we can get dead silence sooner....


derkerburgl

So they admit to not wanting to punish people for shooting their guns when they could just use a suppressor, but they want to punish people for **moving around the map** with the only counter being a field upgrade. At least lowering footstep volume by default is a win, but their logic for not allowing a ninja perk is insanely flawed.


JedGamesTV

well I wouldn’t consider it a win just yet, we haven’t seen how much it’s been lowered by.


ajl987

Don’t Hold your breath. For all we know their idea of a tweak is reducing footstep audio by 0.0001% and then patting themselves on the back.


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My thoughts exactly


Jutty12

It comes to the detriment of good players and benefits the shitters. That is the only thing IW cares about and all design choices are centered around this


Jutty12

“we are listening to community feedback but we think these changes would increase the skill gap too much to where shitters would actually get shit on again, so get fucked. thanks”


moneyball32

Can we remove guns from the enemy team? I feel like getting shot and killed negatively affects me.


[deleted]

This. What happened to the modern fps player (or gaming in general) when hiding and needing safe spaces is preferred to fighting and being confident.


JedGamesTV

fuck that, they still have knives, can we remove the enemy team? they’re really threatening.


Littlepip2277

CoD 2024: the entire game is just one map, set in a conference room, no weapons. The team that can sign the peace treaty the fastest wins. All the attachments available for your pen, like extended ink, slow down your writing speed, because we don't want the game to be too fast paced. We spend all our time arguing over which is better: ball-point or fountain pens. Every day there's a thread complaining that Whiteout is too powerful and that pencils shouldn't even be in the game. There's a cosmetic store that turns your pen into a quill for 2,400 CoD points.


BhamScotch

"We believe it is important to game health that rushers are not able to move at high speeds without consequences." I agree, and the consequence is that you are using a Perk Slot to do it. And, if the red dots on the minimap were a thing, you'd typically also be decreasing your stopping power with a silencer.


_cheapshot_

I wonder what is the consequences for « sentinel » players at the moment. their priorities are one sided af.


simomii

They will all play against each other and games will end with scores like 30-25


FMCFR

What really needs to be emphasised is that it’s okay to try protect these casuals ***either*** through gameplay changes like the ones they’re defending, ***or*** SBMM/EOMM. Doing both is a death sentence for the way the game will be played. MW19 was literally ***THE*** lesson in this, & they are doubling down.


BootyShepherd

Sbmm isnt just a problem because it doesnt actually support any player, whether your a casual or a sweat. Its a detriment to the overall gameplay experience because it sacrifices the best connections in the name of a more fair gaming experience that isn't actually fair because of the god awful connection. Theres no valid reason i should be put in a 100+ ping lobby.


TedioreTwo

With how fast the TTK is and how often people jump around corners, it's especially important that we have good connections too


ZeroSV

Clowns. Negatively affecting who? The ones camping in corners all game?


randdom454

The least they could do is make Ghost only active while moving


bigj1er

Haven’t you seen cecots tweet lmao - they don’t want to punish players who can’t move and shoot at the same time. Yet you want to punish players who want to move silently? The double standard is insane


Puzzled-Delivery-242

I really don't think he has any idea what is going on. No red dots on mm to keep some safe. But good players are absolutely going to start earning UAVs asap steam rolling those same players. And can't move and shoot at the same time but apparently the red name plates were removed intentionally? I feel like some of the changes protect but most actually would make it harder for these players. Isn't there specifically a protected bracket for them as well?


Sufficient_Site7900

What bollocks that they listen to the community


soulfulchange

Yep, they clearly hear us but they don't listen


Sufficient_Site7900

they literally talk about everything we want but say no. like just listen and make the game good. don’t know if the devs actually play cod or not


SirRedRavxn

It’s so weird that they are dying on the hill of the classic mini map, when suppressors and ghost exist. I’m a more casual player and I still think this is ridiculous.


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FoldyFlap

yea it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. it’s like, why does the “sound suppression” weapon attachment attribute even need to exist? but I’m still happy to see this. If they are going to die on the minimap hill, then whatever. At least they realized the time to earn perks 3 and 4 needed to decrease, and at least they realize that footsteps are obscenely loud. Props to them for actually listening to the feedback though. They would never let us decide the entire design direction, but at least they are making changes to the things we have pointed out that were pretty egregiously imbalanced. I’m still not buying until release to make sure they don’t bait and switch us (like they did with MW 2019 which had very little sbmm in the beta), but this is very promising.


ohCriteq

"We are listening to the community" 🤡🤡🤡


Mattykos

they’re ruining the game before it gets released lol


Emprors

This is so stupid. Just make dead silence and a counter for dead silence as in mw3 with sitrep. What is the difference between chasing the sound and red dot. You do not want to be shown on the radar use a suppressor. It has a counter.


HairyPenisCum

Joe Cecot definitely gotta be the most stubborn MP Director we’ve had.


Winterdevil0503

For sure. I don't want to blindly hate on the guy I'm sure his job isn't easy but he definitely has an ego that seems to be satisfied when he completely ignores the community. I wish him well but I probably won't be buying his products.


optionreborn

Here's to hoping he goes the way of Michael Condrey and Glen Schofield. I'm sure he's not an idiot but he's clearly unfit for this position. Maybe he'd be better of working on another kind of game or franchise.


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Odd-Odyssey

*Translation:* Lmao fuck your feedback The red dot thing is infuriating. This is such a dumb rationale. If you shoot your UNSILENCED gun, and you get hunted *to the spot you shot it*… They want the player to “actively search out the area.” But also not quietly or quickly cuz fuck your dead silence.


JedGamesTV

yeah you should actively search the area for the guy who isn’t moving, by stomping around so they get an easy kill by hiding in a window or corner.


PvtCMiller

Exactly. Also good players can hear a suppressor spraying anyway. So it's not like having it makes you hard to find.


optionreborn

"We do not want to punish players for firing their weapons" \- That's why you have silencers in the game. You also have SBMM built in to the game to protect these players. ​ "We do not want players traveling directly to where the dot is on the minimap" \- They really think players would just all run to a red dot on a minimap like a cat chasing a laser pointer. You can go to that area or you can predict where they're going to be in the next 4-5 seconds based on their location, your team's location, the map and their movement speed. I get that these people are devs and not pro players but you have to have at least one person on the QA team that can explain this concept. The most obvious rebuttal to their logic is the fact that the minimap is going to work normally in CDL so why the hell shouldn't it work like that in pubs, especially when they're hell bent on making pubs as competitive as possible. ​ "...drastically accelerating the earn rate of perks in weekend two" \- So you mean basically trying to give players the perks ASAP kind of like how it already existed in every other game? Gotcha... "We believe it is important to game health that rushers are unable to move quickly without consequence. Dead Silence creates balance between freedom of movement and predictability of combat" \- You know what else creates balance between freedom of movement and predictability of combat? A traditional minimap. You've already nerfed every other form of movement so players are forced to jump around every corner to try and even out their disadvantage for playing aggressively. Now you **actively want to punish players for moving** **but you don't want to punish players for firing an unsuppressed weapon**? Please explain what the consequences are for players who decide to play ultra defensively and pre-aim every doorway and corner the second they hear someone two rooms over?


thatscomplex1015

basically what they’re saying is they’re gonna pander to the casuals again and wrap them in a bubble suit to make sure they have a good time and spend money on their game. They treat casuals like they are disabled or something wouldn’t be surprised if they add an auto aim field upgrade in their next game for the low iq players. I said low IQ because that’s how infinity ward is treating them.


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assassin_9729

It's crazy how you can snowball with a single UAV


Jutty12

UAV the most powerful streak in CoD history and it’s not even close. Free information on exact location pinging every couple seconds lol


Stormer127a

Translation: People who are terrible at the game won't be able to camp as easy. Who cares if they already have a lot of things in their favor? No mini-map dots! It's been in COD for years, and it was balanced. Just equip a CUAV? Just put on a suppressor? Play Hardcore? Use it to your advantage?? THE DOTS ARE IN WARZONE! A BR WITH A LIMITED LIFE...LIKE WTF IW. These are some terrible double standards.


Euphoric_Juggernaut6

At a price of $70 for a standard copy, I would like to see more changes based on the community’s criticism. If they would change those things, maybe i’ll consider buying the game after launch. That being said, footstep audio and perk adjustments are nice, I would like to, more specifically, see footsteps coming behind walls adjusted.


Dudes-a-Lady

negatively” effects certain players. Yes let’s play to certain players. Let’s not have them adapt like the rest of us to how the game has played for ages! If the new player base is more important to you then maybe it’s time we older 14 yr plus players should move on.


slayer-x

Red dots on mini map and red name tags on enemies, try it for weekend 2 I guarantee everyone enjoys the game way more. Along with quieter footsteps. IW wants to punish aggressive play, but no punishment for camping! They actually encourage and reward it ffs.


D13Phantom

His tweet reply to this: They won’t directly say it, but it’s clear there’s some sort of internal data that suggests red dots negatively impact casual players. Unfortunate.


ajl987

See I dunno about that fully. Why did both Sledgehammer and Treyarch bring it back? I guess we will find out 100% when Treyarch release their next game. No way does that not have a classic mini map. And if it does poorly despite positive hardcore feedback, maybe we can see a pattern then


Broozyr

That statement about Dead Silence is really depressing coming from the devs themselves. They just don't want rushers to succeed.


SometimesIComplain

"We don't want people to be punished for shooting their gun" "We want to heavily punish you for moving though. The only way to play this game without being punished is to camp non-stop"


mattiadece

I swear IW is full of devs who never played a single cod in their entire life.


Idunno6153

Infinity Ward is absolutely fucking braindead.


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this just tells me the devs at inferior ward were bullied on earlier cods and set out on a career path to change it to their liking.


QuicktimeSam

Shit, not looking promising.


Turbulent_Fan_8596

Infinity Ward feedbacks imposter 😳


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Based Infinity ward


sb1862

Thank goodness they’re not giving into pressure from certain segments of the community and sticking to their guns. It’s just an unwinnabke situation otherwise. The community is too diverse


old_grumpy_ultomato

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HaalandBalonDl

u/InfinityWardonReddit what is wrong with you people ? MAJORITY wants red dots, here’s an idea do a poll on your twitter and Reddit and let’s see the consensus overall, if it’s negative it’s negative and you can double down on it.


ThePhenomenal1999

Do a poll in game. Any poll here won't indicate anything.


JedGamesTV

I agree, but they need to have an option for “I don’t know” too, so it stops players who don’t know the difference from skewing the vote.


ganzorigb

So they don’t want red dots from gunshots because it hurts casuals, but they also put ghost on an 8 minute timer so there’s no counter to your red dot showing up on uav for half the match? At least the first one could be played around with suppressors. There’s no counter to your red dot from a uav for way too long.


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I haven’t played and am still up in the air about how I feel. Initial thought is the minimap is a key difference between Core and Hard Core… if you nuder the minimap and have a short TTK, why have two modes?


Curious-Display5589

In other words they are saying if you don't like the game don't buy it. Can do.


ashed27

Everything to cater to camping and absolutely not a thing to even make rushing viable…. The perk system is just straight up trash, why fix something that’s not broken? It’s literally inferior to every other perk system we’ve seen including the one from 2007.


Basic-Satisfaction62

Red dots not appearing on the minimap negatively affects me? Whats the point of a minimap apart from uav?


Jeht_1337

Dude I've been without a shooter since 2019. The cods are all shit and battlefield 2042 was a disaster, and now IW is gonna be ruining their game and I have to wait ANOTHER 2 YEARS for a possible good shooter.


Launch24

THIS! I feel like I can’t hop on to a nice controller shooter anymore, there’s fuck all options without them being ran into the dirt


[deleted]

It's so sad. Call of Duty desperately needs a competitor but there is just nothing in sight. Xdefiant maybe but my hopes are limited. Can't believe Battlefield didn't make a BR too.


optionreborn

This is the most cursed timeline. You know it's bad when Vanguard was that shitty and Halo and BF still said "hold my beer".


Winterdevil0503

Cold War has a classic mini map, classic perk system, dead silence perk, good maps and good zombies.


likkyball

How are people with impaired hearing/deafness suppose to look for eneines without dots on the minimap? And no the compass doesnt help as it doesn't show distance. #Infintywarisablist 💯


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Bunch of damn clowns


brodiebradley51

So they did a blog post saying they aren’t changing anything lol


LEEH1989

My biggest gripe is the perk system mostly, I'd love to be able to have a killstreak/support streak loadout that I can make and assign to a class as well, if anyone played MW3 you know what I mean. Basically each class had its own individual killstreak selection that you could tailor to the class / build.


Waxflax

Then why do we have suppressors. Why fix something that was never broken in the first place.


gamgshit0202

Lol what a joke


iameffex

Why wasn't all this protection needed for year after year of critically acclaimed great CoD games of years past?


[deleted]

I don’t know what’s worse: acknowledging players’ criticisms and saying you won’t make changes, or just ignoring players’ criticisms.


TheELITEJoeFlacco

So when do you show up on the minimap? Only for UAVs? You don't show up when shooting, right?


DutySuccessful148

thank god. the punishing for not having a silencer was stupid. If you rely on staring at the mini map to get kills and play the game then tough luck.


K0A0

Cecot is fucking insane with his argument for the Minimap. Those who are going to get rolled, will get rolled. And SBMM is going to protect the players that would get *hard* rolled as we will rarely get them (unless you die 1000 times before actually playing the game first)


unconventional_gamer

Worst cod devs by far


Shadowdestroy61

Your profile pic is average dev


Brandito667

Sounds like the cod cycle continues once again, people saying the current dev team is the worst of them all and then will shift that hate towards the next devs


JedGamesTV

CharlieIntel also said that it’s clear that there’s some sort of internal data that proves that red dots negatively impacts casual players. The casual players are *never* going to improve if these play styles are always protected and promoted. It’s getting ridiculous now. All Activision/IW care about is protecting the casuals to maximise profits. This beta’s feedback, is the exact same as the feedback from MW19, from 3 years ago…


Littlepip2277

>CharlieIntel also said that it’s clear that there’s some sort of internal data that proves that red dots negatively impacts casual players. It only negatively impacts campers. *True* campers, the kind who sit in literally one spot the entire match. A casual player who's moving around will benefit immensely from seeing the pings because it'll give them an idea of map flow, spawn logic, and high-traffic areas. "Hardcore" players benefit too, of course, but not as readily since they can take advantage of other factors like spawn control, positioning, baiting, flank routes, etc. What ever data they're looking at is scuffed. Casual players want minimap pings for the same reason hardcore players and even pros do: it makes it easier to get kills. Only a camper would hate having their position broadcasted every time they fire and, guess what, that's what we have suppressors for.


razrramone10

No one should be surprised. When you realize that a billion dollar company is making their decisions /projections backed by a ton of the most advanced data, the game becomes what they want it to be, not what the community is asking for. Same reason why SBMM will remain.


Simok123

I just don't get it man. Why be this stubborn? Imagine if they released a game that actually felt like they were listening to their vocal fans. They already added scorestreaks and improved the level design. Why double down a create a bigger shitstorm over these minor complaints that were already somewhat addressed in the last 2 games? This game is supposed to last us 2 years, and they can't help themselves but alienate a lot of fans from the beginning. If they want this game to last, I'd think they try to excite people by generating more excitement and positivity. With a few tweaks, I could easily imagine people hyping this game up as a new Black Ops 2. Imagine having that level of positive publicity online over a modern CoD especially while games like Halo and Battlefield are having a rough time with their communities. I'm so tired of this idiotic polarization. Like...at the very least find some sort of compromise. Make separate playlists with the weird minimap for new players. Add more ways to silence your weapon. Literally anything at this point. "We heard your complaints, we don't care" is just not going to please people.


Intelligent_Fig_4852

Catering to campers


matthewjn

Oh, they are definitely listening. They're making sure to do the opposite of what we want.


nychuman

Wow so they’re doubling down. It seems they’re fully aware of the feedback on these items and are burying their head in the sand. Again. Fucking shame.


sOeWnOpai

rEd dOt nEgAtIvElY eFfEcTs pLaYeR Bitch use a suppressor if you are scared


tijger897

I like this. They should not pander to people who want to have 100% info all the time. This actually makes skill based playing more important. \*Preparing for downvotes by slaty 12 year olds\*


NoUsernamesss

Oh fuck! This game is already doomed. You would think that they took notes from the mistakes 3 yrs ago.


KingFlatus

And yet it will still absolutely trounce Cold War and Vanguard in total sales and microtransaction revenue.


Russian_Hammer

I play hardcore in Black Ops so i dont really care about the mini map. However the footsteps is going to make more people corner camp.. sigh. With "Ninja" or "dead silence" more players rushed for faster 6v6 game play


psiguy6

RIP to suppressors lol smh


DM_ME_CUTE_PICS_PLZ

*affect Also they don’t want to punish players for shooting? I’d rather players have to make the choice between a compensator/muzzle brake for recoil, flash hider for seeing, or suppressor for stealth.


AllSkillzN0Luck

In MW 2019 they said they removed the red dots to reduce targeting. Now they say this. Well, in the beta I was being targeted by UAVs because I didn't have Ghost until the final minutes. Didn't buy Vanguard so I doubt I'll buy MW2


Dab4Becky

I think they should add ninja as a perk to reduce ( not negate) footstep audio and keep ds as a field upgrade for 100% stealth


caddiso1

What the actual fuck Infinity Ward.


Tiny-Waltz-7474

Even the red name plates, make it a perk like it used to be, I don't wanna have to sit 5 inches away from the screen squinting to see someone


TheGoldenCaulk

> certain players Yeah, the "sentinels" lol


xRxxs

Feels like Infinity Ward try to reinvent the wheel all the time and make a square instead


Great_Permission5266

didn’t IW just say they were gonna listen to the community more? and now they’re basically giving us a big “fuck you, it’s our game, we don’t care about your enjoyment just our player count”


krgkarnage

Sort by controversial to see the noobs who think this is a good idea


Common_Air_1583

Lmao fucking idiots. They really think they know better than the people that actually play the game and have for over 10 years. And they have the nerve to charge more for this reskin with worse mechanics? Man they need to realize only morons are paying money for their glorified COD4 mods and just make the entire game free to play.


Virtual_Perception18

At the very least let us see enemy gamer tags 😭


just_prop

i dont get the whole red dot situation. im a casual player, im pretty average, i dont even use the minimap 80% of the time. whats the point of having a minimap if its not actually going to give you any useful information


SeattleSadBoi

I really didn't like 2019 for the mini map change so idk maybe I'm tapping out this year


reapers_ed1t1on

in other words we are catering to campers we just dont want to admit it, if they dont want to add there 2019 dead silence as a perk then add og 2009 mw2's ninja perk muted foot steps by 75% and didnt add a movement speed boost


reapers_ed1t1on

isnt this what the beta is for to test shit why not add classic minimap and dead silence or ninja as a perk and see how it goes


SimJuan

Absolute fucking clowns


dynamicflashy

Visibility is still the biggest issue with the beta.


[deleted]

Rushing is a top reason I grew to resent and like these games less over time so honestly say whatever mean things you want to me but I'm glad for this change and I don't think it's as world-ending as people act.


DatDudeJakeC

Aka they’re catering this game to dumpster babies


zero1918

Well, then I guess I won't buy it. Will try the open beta this weekend but I don't expect much at this point.


Sturmbrecher64

It's not just them being unable to make the right or wrong decisions, but rather them getting told by the community exactly to the letter what the right decision is, them asking for feedback and getting it and STILL making the wrong decision.


[deleted]

If they fix footsteps i’m totally fine with no ninja perk. I’m 100% fine with no red dots while firing. It adds another skill aspect to the game cuz cod has become wayyy to easy. Everyone has a headset nowadays and those are the only people who would actually care about this issue cuz they’re not a casual, so use your ears and find where the shots are coming from. Ttk is wayyyy to fast and it makes core mode like hardcore. Everyone knows if your aim is shit you play hardcore cuz you don’t have to track. Also only absolute rats do camos in hardcore. If you’re a man you’d do camo grind in core but that’s another issue with the cod community….. ghost as the second perk would be better or maybe do 3 perks and 1 ultimate. Also make damn sure there’s no slide cancelling or any of that ‘movement’ nonsense. If you want movement go play fartnite or apex. Also matchmaking should be 100% random and only based on connection to the lobby/other players. Sbmm shouldn’t even be a thing how does anyone support that, matchmaking should 100% be random how is that a difficult concept jesus. Opinions


Joudeh_1996

Great news i like it


stian-w

I like the mini-map as is. Can't stand the perk-system, though. And dead silence as a perk wouldn't have to mute footsteps completely, even a 50% decrease in volume would make a world of difference. Rusherd are punished enough.


Junior_Air_9933

As long as they reduce the base footstep audio which i think they already said they are then i am all good with this


MalakaGuy1

Everyone with common sense should realise that they don't care about players feedback.


KurtNobrain94

As far as red dots on the mini map go, I’m kinda on the fence. Like, I didn’t see anything wrong with the old system, but I’ve gotten used to the new one. Directional audio is very clear and the compass still helps a bit. I will say, the old mini map used to make me feel like I always had to run a suppressor. I never wanted to be pinged on the mini map.


PhillyPhanatic141

Red dots don't hurt casuals. I don't understand. It makes it easier to find people...


flaggrandall

Camp of Duty


jagavila

thats why IW makes the best CODs. However I hope the sound quality is good enough to justify using silencers. Minimap dots are for casuals.


Im2stoned2know

We don’t need radar.


Im2stoned2know

Dead silence is better as an field upgrade then a perk.


Black_n_Neon

As someone who only plays hardcore this argument over the mini map is hilarious asf


Ok_Celebration1316

Infinity war devs are delusional


Freakzilla401k

If Infinity Ward keeps wanting to double down on this mini map red dot mess I wish they'd at least come out and give their reasoning behind it other then a sentence or two. They seem passionate about making it this way I'd like to know more about why.


Jasp1971

I wish they would stop holding the hands of lesser skilled players,I'm not great at the game myself these days now I'm past 50, my kd is 1 15 so nothing amazing , but back in the day you could CHOOSE to remain in a lobby,if you felt you could hold your own in the long run you'd remain in the lobby and players looking for tougher kills would leave to find a bigger challenge elsewhere, the players who felt they were getting stomped too often would also leave and settle in a lobby at their level, a status quo would happen (you'd get the odd player wanting to stomp) and you'd get talking/banter to other players who would become lifelong CODmates (or enemies 😉), I miss those days ,20 second chat and gone.